Originally posted by MikeMonger Originally posted by Cholayna the answer then is no. There will be No large scale and meaningful beta on the features being released with the game. I think they will release the game, allow for a few weeks to workaround everything (just like SOG) then come back and say, try it again. Then they will add something to it. Take a few weeks to workaround it and come back and say try it again. Then they will add something to it, take a few weeks to workaround it and come back and say try it again. This will continue throughout the birth of DNL and well into the toddler stage -- however at that point I do not see it going much further much faster as the little one has now stunted growth. No players, no world.
Yes, this is EXACTLY the answer that Xanth is trying to avoid.
Therefore, if Xanth's assertation is true, and SoG really isn't D&L, then Dark and Light isn't going live at all on May 30..it's going into open beta. One where the participants pay to test the product.
Or to look at it another way, pay to fund the continued development of what was supposed to be ingame at launch.
This is exactly the formula used by Brad McQuaid of EQ fame and the model that Sony uses. McQuaid is doing the same thing with Vanguard so really Farceland/NP/Bugworld has learned from the masters.
Can't really fault them for doing that though. Most MMORPG players will take dog shit wrapped in bacon and believe it is filet mignon.
Originally posted by Gnomad Originally posted by MikeMonger Originally posted by Cholayna the answer then is no. There will be No large scale and meaningful beta on the features being released with the game. I think they will release the game, allow for a few weeks to workaround everything (just like SOG) then come back and say, try it again. Then they will add something to it. Take a few weeks to workaround it and come back and say try it again. Then they will add something to it, take a few weeks to workaround it and come back and say try it again. This will continue throughout the birth of DNL and well into the toddler stage -- however at that point I do not see it going much further much faster as the little one has now stunted growth. No players, no world.
Yes, this is EXACTLY the answer that Xanth is trying to avoid.
Therefore, if Xanth's assertation is true, and SoG really isn't D&L, then Dark and Light isn't going live at all on May 30..it's going into open beta. One where the participants pay to test the product.
Or to look at it another way, pay to fund the continued development of what was supposed to be ingame at launch.
This is exactly the formula used by Brad McQuaid of EQ fame and the model that Sony uses. McQuaid is doing the same thing with Vanguard so really Farceland/NP/Bugworld has learned from the masters.
Can't really fault them for doing that though. Most MMORPG players will take dog shit wrapped in bacon and believe it is filet mignon.
While it is true that all MMORPG's launch with plenty of bugs, the others you listed did one thing that Farlan doesn't seem to feel the need to do...
They actually did have some kind of large scale testing before they started charging people.
I mean, I personally don't begrudge an MMORPG company from having a buggy product, because I've played enough of them to know that bugs are just a part of life. But Farlan's refusal to even try to hammer out the bulk of bugs with SOME kind of testing....that kind of blows my mind.
What amazes me even more is that there will actually be people willing to pay for what will be unplayable for the first 3-6 months of it's existance.
And it'll shock me near to death if the game actually lasts that long.
Originally posted by Xanth I was going to state how Mike going to be so obviously wrong but honestly I won't make a difference. Man I cannot wait.
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Uh, ok...exactly what am I wrong about? That if the May 30 release date is to be believed, Farlan has less than two weeks to run an open beta, which basically means any open beta will be pointless, since there's no time to organize it, launch it, and resolve all the bugs that arise from it?
I mean, is the open beta going to be held at the speed of light, so that it actually goes BACKWARDS in time? Because that's the only way it will last more than two weeks...if the May 30 date is to be believed.
People call you a fanboi because you don't offer any kind of substantiation for your arguments. You smugly pretend to possess information you don't have, and confidently state how you're ultimately going to be vindicated.
So tell me....if the game is going to be released on May 30, and it is now May 14, and that leaves 15 days between now and the release....how is the open beta going to last more than two weeks?
I honestly don't know why you bother posting to these forums. You won't share any of this "secret" knowledge you claim to possess. Your arguments are based on nothing, or WORSE, statements that come from the D&L staff.
Basically, nothing you say carries any weight whatsoever. And, when you're ultimately proven wrong (as you must be, since they couldn't even scrounge together a PLAYABLE demo for E3), will you come on these boards again and acknowledge your errors? Or will you simply not be seen again?
Originally posted by Xanth I was going to state how Mike going to be so obviously wrong but honestly I won't make a difference. Man I cannot wait.
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Xanth, enough. We dont need anyone coming on here and spouting bs that cant be backed up nor one whom has been called out. Your posts now are simply argumentive, combative and very troll like. Take it to the dnl boards, not here.
Originally posted by MikeMonger I honestly don't know why you bother posting to these forums. You won't share any of this "secret" knowledge you claim to possess. Your arguments are based on nothing, or WORSE, statements that come from the D&L staff.
likes to troll. The answer has already been given tho. He has been proven wrong and answered the question in the best way he knows how...he knows nothing. This part of the discussion is mute now. Let him go and troll some other posts. He will disappear when the game is released.
Please don't get into the trap Xanth is trying to obviously create. Trying to lure you all into stooping into his level.
If he can backup any claims that he is insinuating on, then let him back it up. That would be the best thing he could do for the community. If he insists on luring you all to stoop to his level without adding anything to backup his claims, just leave him alone.
After reading his latest posts here, he is obviously just entertaining himself by trying to have others to stoop to his level or worst.
We here are willing to have constructive criticism and discussions. Always willing to backup any of our claims with whatever is available to us. We expect the same to those that are obviously trying to attack us. So until you are able to play by the same rules in this field, stop acting like immature children trying to insinuate a fight. Include your proof so you can backup your claims to attack various others in this community. Otherwise, don't even bother as it is already known what you are really trying to do here and that is to insinuate fights and chaos.
Just like in the Official D&L Forums, there is also Rules of Conduct in this community as well. I hope you would read and abide by it as well.
Yea your right. I"ll be vindicated here shortly anyway so it doesn't matter. I've answered questions and provided insight but it falls on deaf ears. I know you all feel your better than most, me included, so I wouldn't want any kind of `thank you` or `you were right` in the coming weeks. Again I get suck a kick out of so many here who spit and fight those who have anything good to say about this game.
Once more, I will be vindicated soon enough so that's good enough for me. I do extend my offer ingame, upon release, to those who wish to chat -- I'll listen and respond back; I'm not a bad trollish fanboi as most present me here.
Have fun toiling in your hate and illwill towards the game, it's developers or anyone who dare come into your lair and actually state the truth; I truley am saddened for those who's thick and ignorant minds cannot phathom reality.
Originally posted by Cholayna According to the recent article regarding the release date here on the mmorgp.com boards,(main page entry- above the blogs) its very clear from the Farlan head cheese: The advance interest of our fans continues to amaze us. Having such a huge test base for DnL not only gives us an incredible developmental resource, but also keeps us personally energized to make Dark and Light the very best online game it can be, said Frederic Caille, CEO of Farlan Entertainment Now it makes it very clear that SOG is/was indeed the beta for DNL and those ppl actually paid to play a beta and Farlan deliberately lied and continues to lie about the clear and undeniable status - SOG is the DNL BETA. Straight from the head cheese himself.
I think its a test base indeed, not really beta. It was/is a test base for the new server engine and stress test on the mob server. They stress tested login server and safety.
I think its a test base indeed, not really beta. It was/is a test base for the new server engine and stress test on the mob server. They stress tested login server and safety. All these things i've seen happening.
not really beta simply because they werent "required" to hand in bug reports and expect them to be corrected?
There is no "new" engine. Read the forums. There is no "mob server' again, read the forums.
The "stress test" as you call it may have occurred when they released SOG and it failed miserably and completely. No "stress test" that can reasonably be called a stress test has been performed since.
What I like about DnL is the emotions it brings up in people. Watching the posts here is like watching people watching a train wreck. I'm happy to sit and watch to see what side of teh rails things fall cause at the moment the haters and the fanbois are about as balancing out one anothers emotions so well - here and on the official boards. As Indiramorning said elsewhere here, the threads about DnL always become polarised, and always become a version of "Faith versus Fact".
I'm really looking forward to seeing this game of chicken come to an end at some point.
If DnL folds, then teh fanbois will have to keep playing a game they will enjoy for as long as it survives, then have to listen to threads about how they were wrong If DnL keeps going, then the haters will have to keep up hating DnL until it folds.
Actually, when it's put like that I think I'd rather be a fanboi than a hater, at least I'd be satisfied with my ignorance than eternally angry with my wisdom, lol *chuckles* Ahh it's actually more entertaining here than it is at DnL.net just now.
ill be honest with ya alli just wanna see this make it cause i won a lifetime account and wanna get to use it in a full game... so is SOG= DNL i sure hope not.
Pix i wish you and vuuar could patch things up, i just watched the vworld 4.0 videos and took a look at the 3d globe cd and i gotta say its amazing.. if we could get that kind of terrain into DNL that would rock. also does your company have anytihng to do with the "light board" in this article to do with this?
to all those i have insulted sorry.
back to DNL i really hope this makes it .. might be a slow start liek EvE and Secondlife but i would love to have a true "One world large game" to play where i can sometimes just fly all day just to fly, or fish just to fish.. and sometimes kill.....
hopefully we will all be suprized and the game will work out, pix will work (consult) again with vuuar or atlest np3 ... and we will be part of an awesome game where we will know the ins and out and become powerful
as for the lies. who doesnt lie when it comes to games?
anyway... i dont look at anyone as the enemy and i hope you all dont look at me as the enemy
Originally posted by snowman22 ill be honest with ya alli just wanna see this make it cause i won a lifetime account and wanna get to use it in a full game... so is SOG= DNL i sure hope not.
Pix i wish you and vuuar could patch things up, i just watched the vworld 4.0 videos and took a look at the 3d globe cd and i gotta say its amazing.. if we could get that kind of terrain into DNL that would rock. also does your company have anytihng to do with the "light board" in this article to do with this?
to all those i have insulted sorry.
back to DNL i really hope this makes it .. might be a slow start liek EvE and Secondlife but i would love to have a true "One world large game" to play where i can sometimes just fly all day just to fly, or fish just to fish.. and sometimes kill.....
hopefully we will all be suprized and the game will work out, pix will work (consult) again with vuuar or atlest np3 ... and we will be part of an awesome game where we will know the ins and out and become powerful
as for the lies. who doesnt lie when it comes to games?
anyway... i dont look at anyone as the enemy and i hope you all dont look at me as the enemy
Finally the truth has been shown!
See that wasn't that bad just replying back to others like a normal human being isn't it Much better than attacking someone without any valid reasoning behind it.
I want my family to be taken cared of in my lifetime and afterwards.. But if that requires me to sacrifice my 1st born son and be in a lifetime servitude with the devil, It just isn't worth it. I think you understand what I am trying to say ... I hope.
With the stated unfinished, incomplete game at release (straight from the mouths of Farlan) I can only see that the SOG=DNL is only further validated by the statements made by Farlan themselves. That truth is finally out yet the fanbois still insist we are all just hatebois. How bout categorizing that hateboi to hatebois of deliberate false and misleading information being fed on a regular diet as the foundation of the hate and not the game itself. After all, its not the hatebois who lied and sloppily managed the game, it was the company itself.
With no meaningful testing of what small portion is available in each category (for lack of a better word) the only logical assumption would be that the game SOG=DNL will only continue to be a paid unofficial alpha/beta.
With also the stated comment regarding their inexperience and knowledge of the engine they claim all right to have developed themselves (how the hell ya do that without knowing what the hell you are doing is beyond me) direct from Farlan, it can also only again validate the many comments that were made many many months ago by the seemingly hatebois.
The facts are just that. Facts. The fact is much of what we are seeing in the last two weeks alone is enough to validate the comments and discussions made on this board. SOG=DNL.
hehe ok i just gotta add this..as im sure alot of peopel have the same question .. SOOOO basically this MMO will be lke all others ... a paid beta where the game is always geting improved and blanced?
cause i mean wouldnt a 100% tested completed MMO require no patchs ever?
though im just a simpleton and 6 years of playing mmos isnt enough and i am "push comsumer" i think i was called due to my gamming choices....
Originally posted by snowman22 hehe ok i just gotta add this..as im sure alot of peopel have the same question .. SOOOO basically this MMO will be lke all others ... a paid beta where the game is always geting improved and blanced?
cause i mean wouldnt a 100% tested completed MMO require no patchs ever?
though im just a simpleton and 6 years of playing mmos isnt enough and i am "push comsumer" i think i was called due to my gamming choices....
one reason why this is a "paid beta" is because the game hasn't even been beta tested yet
Originally posted by Zorbane Originally posted by snowman22 hehe ok i just gotta add this..as im sure alot of peopel have the same question .. SOOOO basically this MMO will be lke all others ... a paid beta where the game is always geting improved and blanced?
cause i mean wouldnt a 100% tested completed MMO require no patchs ever?
though im just a simpleton and 6 years of playing mmos isnt enough and i am "push comsumer" i think i was called due to my gamming choices....
one reason why this is a "paid beta" is because the game hasn't even been beta tested yet
No no no Zorbane! They've been beta'ing it! It's been a closed beta! They've been beta'ing the entirely new, bug free engine, with the spectacular, up to date graphics and the innovative game play the whole time that SoG was running!
Originally posted by snowman22 hehe ok i just gotta add this..as im sure alot of peopel have the same question .. SOOOO basically this MMO will be lke all others ... a paid beta where the game is always geting improved and blanced?
cause i mean wouldnt a 100% tested completed MMO require no patchs ever?
though im just a simpleton and 6 years of playing mmos isnt enough and i am "push comsumer" i think i was called due to my gamming choices....
What you seem to not understand is that when other games release, it is the core of the mechanics are in working order. The core is in place and running on the server side/client side and the patches and additional implementation are then able to be added without much ado. DNL does not have the core mechanics down by thier own admission. That is what makes it different from the other games and absolutely laughable to many in the gaming industry. The core must be ready. DNL is far from it.
Originally posted by Cholayna Originally posted by snowman22 hehe ok i just gotta add this..as im sure alot of peopel have the same question .. SOOOO basically this MMO will be lke all others ... a paid beta where the game is always geting improved and blanced?
cause i mean wouldnt a 100% tested completed MMO require no patchs ever?
though im just a simpleton and 6 years of playing mmos isnt enough and i am "push comsumer" i think i was called due to my gamming choices....
What you seem to not understand is that when other games release, it is the core of the mechanics are in working order. The core is in place and running on the server side/client side and the patches and additional implementation are then able to be added without much ado. DNL does not have the core mechanics down by thier own admission. That is what makes it different from the other games and absolutely laughable to many in the gaming industry. The core must be ready. DNL is far from it.
Agree completely Cholayna, I look at it this way, without a solid foundation a building wont stand, it will be hard to build on, and will never be the fantastic structure that you envisaged all due to the faulty foundations. In the same way i am concerned that without the core mechanics of the game in good order and finished, what can they possible hope to build on if the basic code and core aspects of the game are incomplete or not present. You can build on bad foundations but you will end up with more heartache and problems in the end, and the project will never ever live up to expectations.
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Yes, this is EXACTLY the answer that Xanth is trying to avoid.
Therefore, if Xanth's assertation is true, and SoG really isn't D&L, then Dark and Light isn't going live at all on May 30..it's going into open beta. One where the participants pay to test the product.
Or to look at it another way, pay to fund the continued development of what was supposed to be ingame at launch.
This is exactly the formula used by Brad McQuaid of EQ fame and the model that Sony uses. McQuaid is doing the same thing with Vanguard so really Farceland/NP/Bugworld has learned from the masters.
Can't really fault them for doing that though. Most MMORPG players will take dog shit wrapped in bacon and believe it is filet mignon.
Yes, this is EXACTLY the answer that Xanth is trying to avoid.
Therefore, if Xanth's assertation is true, and SoG really isn't D&L, then Dark and Light isn't going live at all on May 30..it's going into open beta. One where the participants pay to test the product.
Or to look at it another way, pay to fund the continued development of what was supposed to be ingame at launch.
This is exactly the formula used by Brad McQuaid of EQ fame and the model that Sony uses. McQuaid is doing the same thing with Vanguard so really Farceland/NP/Bugworld has learned from the masters.
Can't really fault them for doing that though. Most MMORPG players will take dog shit wrapped in bacon and believe it is filet mignon.
While it is true that all MMORPG's launch with plenty of bugs, the others you listed did one thing that Farlan doesn't seem to feel the need to do...
They actually did have some kind of large scale testing before they started charging people.
I mean, I personally don't begrudge an MMORPG company from having a buggy product, because I've played enough of them to know that bugs are just a part of life. But Farlan's refusal to even try to hammer out the bulk of bugs with SOME kind of testing....that kind of blows my mind.
What amazes me even more is that there will actually be people willing to pay for what will be unplayable for the first 3-6 months of it's existance.
And it'll shock me near to death if the game actually lasts that long.
Uh, ok...exactly what am I wrong about? That if the May 30 release date is to be believed, Farlan has less than two weeks to run an open beta, which basically means any open beta will be pointless, since there's no time to organize it, launch it, and resolve all the bugs that arise from it?
I mean, is the open beta going to be held at the speed of light, so that it actually goes BACKWARDS in time? Because that's the only way it will last more than two weeks...if the May 30 date is to be believed.
People call you a fanboi because you don't offer any kind of substantiation for your arguments. You smugly pretend to possess information you don't have, and confidently state how you're ultimately going to be vindicated.
So tell me....if the game is going to be released on May 30, and it is now May 14, and that leaves 15 days between now and the release....how is the open beta going to last more than two weeks?
I honestly don't know why you bother posting to these forums. You won't share any of this "secret" knowledge you claim to possess. Your arguments are based on nothing, or WORSE, statements that come from the D&L staff.
Basically, nothing you say carries any weight whatsoever. And, when you're ultimately proven wrong (as you must be, since they couldn't even scrounge together a PLAYABLE demo for E3), will you come on these boards again and acknowledge your errors? Or will you simply not be seen again?
And excuse me but I was proven wrong?
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Please don't get into the trap Xanth is trying to obviously create.
Trying to lure you all into stooping into his level.
If he can backup any claims that he is insinuating on, then let him back it up.
That would be the best thing he could do for the community.
If he insists on luring you all to stoop to his level without adding anything to backup his claims, just leave him alone.
After reading his latest posts here, he is obviously just entertaining himself by trying to have others to stoop to his level or worst.
We here are willing to have constructive criticism and discussions.
Always willing to backup any of our claims with whatever is available to us.
We expect the same to those that are obviously trying to attack us.
So until you are able to play by the same rules in this field, stop acting like immature children trying to insinuate a fight.
Include your proof so you can backup your claims to attack various others in this community.
Otherwise, don't even bother as it is already known what you are really trying to do here and that is to insinuate fights and chaos.
Just like in the Official D&L Forums, there is also Rules of Conduct in this community as well.
I hope you would read and abide by it as well.
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Once more, I will be vindicated soon enough so that's good enough for me. I do extend my offer ingame, upon release, to those who wish to chat -- I'll listen and respond back; I'm not a bad trollish fanboi as most present me here.
Have fun toiling in your hate and illwill towards the game, it's developers or anyone who dare come into your lair and actually state the truth; I truley am saddened for those who's thick and ignorant minds cannot phathom reality.
/Cheers!
I think its a test base indeed, not really beta.
It was/is a test base for the new server engine and stress test on the mob server.
They stress tested login server and safety.
All these things i've seen happening.
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not really beta simply because they werent "required" to hand in bug reports and expect them to be corrected?
There is no "new" engine. Read the forums. There is no "mob server' again, read the forums.
The "stress test" as you call it may have occurred when they released SOG and it failed miserably and completely. No "stress test" that can reasonably be called a stress test has been performed since.
what game are you playing?
I'm really looking forward to seeing this game of chicken come to an end at some point.
If DnL folds, then teh fanbois will have to keep playing a game they will enjoy for as long as it survives, then have to listen to threads about how they were wrong
If DnL keeps going, then the haters will have to keep up hating DnL until it folds.
Actually, when it's put like that I think I'd rather be a fanboi than a hater, at least I'd be satisfied with my ignorance than eternally angry with my wisdom, lol *chuckles* Ahh it's actually more entertaining here than it is at DnL.net just now.
Pix i wish you and vuuar could patch things up, i just watched the vworld 4.0 videos and took a look at the 3d globe cd and i gotta say its amazing.. if we could get that kind of terrain into DNL that would rock. also does your company have anytihng to do with the "light board" in this article to do with this?
to all those i have insulted
back to DNL i really hope this makes it .. might be a slow start liek EvE and Secondlife but i would love to have a true "One world large game" to play where i can sometimes just fly all day just to fly, or fish just to fish.. and sometimes kill.....
hopefully we will all be suprized and the game will work out, pix will work (consult) again with vuuar or atlest np3 ... and we will be part of an awesome game where we will know the ins and out and become powerful
as for the lies. who doesnt lie when it comes to games?
anyway... i dont look at anyone as the enemy and i hope you all dont look at me as the enemy
See that wasn't that bad just replying back to others like a normal human being isn't it
Much better than attacking someone without any valid reasoning behind it.
I want my family to be taken cared of in my lifetime and afterwards..
But if that requires me to sacrifice my 1st born son and be in a lifetime servitude with the devil, It just isn't worth it.
I think you understand what I am trying to say ... I hope.
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With the stated unfinished, incomplete game at release (straight from the mouths of Farlan) I can only see that the SOG=DNL is only further validated by the statements made by Farlan themselves. That truth is finally out yet the fanbois still insist we are all just hatebois. How bout categorizing that hateboi to hatebois of deliberate false and misleading information being fed on a regular diet as the foundation of the hate and not the game itself. After all, its not the hatebois who lied and sloppily managed the game, it was the company itself.
With no meaningful testing of what small portion is available in each category (for lack of a better word) the only logical assumption would be that the game SOG=DNL will only continue to be a paid unofficial alpha/beta.
With also the stated comment regarding their inexperience and knowledge of the engine they claim all right to have developed themselves (how the hell ya do that without knowing what the hell you are doing is beyond me) direct from Farlan, it can also only again validate the many comments that were made many many months ago by the seemingly hatebois.
The facts are just that. Facts. The fact is much of what we are seeing in the last two weeks alone is enough to validate the comments and discussions made on this board. SOG=DNL.
cause i mean wouldnt a 100% tested completed MMO require no patchs ever?
though im just a simpleton and 6 years of playing mmos isnt enough and i am "push comsumer" i think i was called due to my gamming choices....
No no no Zorbane! They've been beta'ing it! It's been a closed beta! They've been beta'ing the entirely new, bug free engine, with the spectacular, up to date graphics and the innovative game play the whole time that SoG was running!
/sarcasm off
Agree completely Cholayna,
I look at it this way, without a solid foundation a building wont stand, it will be hard to build on, and will never be the fantastic structure that you envisaged all due to the faulty foundations. In the same way i am concerned that without the core mechanics of the game in good order and finished, what can they possible hope to build on if the basic code and core aspects of the game are incomplete or not present. You can build on bad foundations but you will end up with more heartache and problems in the end, and the project will never ever live up to expectations.
*begins praying for miracle*