Originally posted by spizz Originally posted by Rudnoc Originally posted by lardmouth What in the world are you talking about? My link showed how various eyewitness statements were completely taken out of context. Sources are provided to show full the quotes of the eyewitnesses. Not just the edited versions the Conspiracy crowds use. Do you object to letting people see the full quotes? If not, what exactly are you objecting to?
OMFG, Dude. You can't see it can you? Umm I think you need to look at things in perspective and stop having thoughts of government = conspiracy. Once you stop them thoughts then you will see and understand more of what others say.
Originally posted by spizz what makes me to think, is the fact they didnt find the titanium engine parts of the plane and the fact that tinanium cant smelt comepletely from the impact...thats really really odd
what makes me to think, is the fact they didnt find the titanium engine parts of the plane and the fact that tinanium cant smelt comepletely from the impact...thats really really odd
REALLY, who didn't find it ??? Loose Change??? Wow, when did they become the clean up crew? Were people ACTUALLY ALLOWED to come on the GROUNDS of the PENTAGON to walk around FREELY to do as they WANT to do as you say?
WHO ARE THEY????? I think this is the opening where "THEY" "LOOSE CHANGE" can say ANYTHING they want and there will be NO ONE to confirm this. ANYTHING to take things off task.
You guys are all wasting your time on this and should be living a life and not..........wait. WTF am I doing.....Joe Walsh......"You can't argue with a sick mind" *Rudnoc* re-thinks about this whole topic. NM, I can see now this must be a new MMOMUD called LETS HATE THE GOVERNMENT UNTIL A DEMO GETS IN OFFICE.
Bye.
show me the evidence, facts about that a huge plane chrashed into the pentagon and probably a lot of people dont believe anything in the movie
Sorry, it is the other way around. Show me that a plane DID NOT crash. I trust media before I will trust some off the wall person that has had 5 years to doctor up all sorts of crap.
BTW what movie? Are you talking about the gate monitor? Only people that don't believe are people like you that think everything is a conspiracy.
Oh BTW, I love how you respond to my question with a question. Obviously a cheap tactic to get out of the truth.
Originally posted by Rudnoc Originally posted by spizz Originally posted by Rudnoc Originally posted by lardmouth What in the world are you talking about? My link showed how various eyewitness statements were completely taken out of context. Sources are provided to show full the quotes of the eyewitnesses. Not just the edited versions the Conspiracy crowds use. Do you object to letting people see the full quotes? If not, what exactly are you objecting to?
OMFG, Dude. You can't see it can you? Umm I think you need to look at things in perspective and stop having thoughts of government = conspiracy. Once you stop them thoughts then you will see and understand more of what others say.
Originally posted by spizz what makes me to think, is the fact they didnt find the titanium engine parts of the plane and the fact that tinanium cant smelt comepletely from the impact...thats really really odd
what makes me to think, is the fact they didnt find the titanium engine parts of the plane and the fact that tinanium cant smelt comepletely from the impact...thats really really odd
REALLY, who didn't find it ??? Loose Change??? Wow, when did they become the clean up crew? Were people ACTUALLY ALLOWED to come on the GROUNDS of the PENTAGON to walk around FREELY to do as they WANT to do as you say?
WHO ARE THEY????? I think this is the opening where "THEY" "LOOSE CHANGE" can say ANYTHING they want and there will be NO ONE to confirm this. ANYTHING to take things off task.
You guys are all wasting your time on this and should be living a life and not..........wait. WTF am I doing.....Joe Walsh......"You can't argue with a sick mind" *Rudnoc* re-thinks about this whole topic. NM, I can see now this must be a new MMOMUD called LETS HATE THE GOVERNMENT UNTIL A DEMO GETS IN OFFICE.
Bye.
show me the evidence, facts about that a huge plane chrashed into the pentagon and probably a lot of people dont believe anything in the movie Sorry, it is the other way around. Show me that a plane DID NOT crash. I trust media before I will trust some off the wall person that has had 5 years to doctor up all sorts of crap.
i trust nobody except i see it with my own eyes, i either trust this video here either i trust any government 100%, but that is not the discussion about. which has to proof in what way cant be dictated from you, from both ways we need evidence and facts.
Originally posted by Rudnoc I trust media before I will trust some off the wall person that has had 5 years to doctor up all sorts of crap.
Just what the government needs. Controlling the media = controlling you. And yes, they are controlling the mainstream media, so...draw your own conclusion about you...
i trust nobody except i see it with my own eyes, i either trust this video here either i trust any government 100%, but that is not the discussion about. which has to proof in what way cant be dictated from you, from both ways we need evidence and facts.
First off you would be a complete idiot to trust any government or anyone a 100%. But if you can't go between 1% and 99% then you are just a follower in the world of sheep. Obviously you are easy prey to words of someone that can show you pretty pictures and get 100% of your trust even in a day of when we can edit Britney Spears having sex with a street bumb. Well it isn't out there I suppose, but it can happen and be edited up in a very short time.
It is funny how you are so willing to listen to the words of someone you don't even know, but think one person has good intentions while a vast amount of people to be conspiring. It is a lot harder for it to happen without MAJORLY leaking but yet more typical and easier for one to point fingers or be the one conspiring.
All of these things you mention are a lot of guess work and a lot of editing to make it seem creditble. However the fact still stand as they are and your friends in addition to loose change are shooting at half hap information or atleast gather data and modifying it to make it seem one way. But to have your opinion based off of sketchy data rather than more solid evidence that has been upfront since the beginning only tells the pubic with a mind of their own is you are reaching for things. Who knows why, however it usually stems from hate, prejudice and other selfish reasons which lets you ignore small certain facts that change the whole over all perpective of your own judgement.
I just don't like it when one side is taken as gospel without taking a step back and viewing both sides, lardmouth. There is a lot of evidence missing from the "government theory," which is part of the reason there are even "alternate theories." I also don't like it when part of the argument includes defamation of the individual making the report as a reason not to believe the report. If I see someone say, "so and so is biased so you cannot believe what they say," I tend to be skeptical of both "theories." Obviously, this applies to both sides, as they both do it.
In the end, I see both you and AlexAmore using similar "one-sided" arguments and that is why you were mentioned. I have brought this up with AlexAmore several times before so I am less courtious nowdays with him than I currently am with you.
AlexAmore would make the point that I am too skeptical and nothing will satisfy me, which may be somewhat true. My first or second post in this particular thread talks about what would satisfy my skepticism to some extent if you care to read it.
Originally posted by Rudnoc I trust media before I will trust some off the wall person that has had 5 years to doctor up all sorts of crap.
Just what the government needs. Controlling the media = controlling you. And yes, they are controlling the mainstream media, so...draw your own conclusion about you...
LMFAO BIG TIME.
Guy you now have just shown EVERYONE that reads this thread that you are a PURE IDIOT. The Replubic controling NBC, ABC, CNN, FOX, CSPAN and etc. LOLOLOLOL.
I think you just shown everyone about YOU
Thank you, you just proven my point.
Keep in mind and Sodder this to your BRAIN.....................
"Everything is Never Black and White. Never 0% and never 100% ....Use your brain, but listen as well. You will find out there is a whole world out there that will teach you things.
I have watched the video in it's entirety three times. Well, actually the first version 2x and the second version 1x. I've also read the transcripts and or documents quoted by Loose Change along with about a half a dozen other "conspiracy theories" that are similar to Loose Change. There is plenty of information in that video that is marginal at best along with major errors in reasoning.
I still submit that anyone who wholeheartedly believes one side or the other is not looking at the whole picture. The conspiracy theorists make glaring errors by relying on misquotes, bad science assumptions, and deceptive visual techniques in order to convince you that their argument is "fact." On the other hand, the government makes similar errors, the most noteworthy being that they have not released the reams of video footage that allegedly still exists from several locations in NYC and the Pentagon.
I am not going to go into detail about every single line item that is wrong with each theory. I did that 4-5 months ago when this subject first came up on these boards. Suffice to say that by merely using standardized critical thinking and analysis, you can debunk a majority of the claims of boths sides. What does that mean? It means that both sides fail to provide enough analytical steps supported by evidence to reach the conclusions they reach.
I was wrong, it was my 5th post on this thread. Applies to both sides.
Originally posted by spizz i trust nobody except i see it with my own eyes, i either trust this video here either i trust any government 100%, but that is not the discussion about. which has to proof in what way cant be dictated from you, from both ways we need evidence and facts.
First off you would be a complete idiot to trust any government or anyone a 100%. But if you can't go between 1% and 99% then you are just a follower in the world of sheep. Obviously you are easy prey to words of someone that can show you pretty pictures and get 100% of your trust even in a day of when we can edit Britney Spears having sex with a street bumb. Well it isn't out there I suppose, but it can happen and be edited up in a very short time.
It is funny how you are so willing to listen to the words of someone you don't even know, but think one person has good intentions while a vast amount of people to be conspiring. It is a lot harder for it to happen without MAJORLY leaking but yet more typical and easier for one to point fingers or be the one conspiring.
All of these things you mention are a lot of guess work and a lot of editing to make it seem creditble. However the fact still stand as they are and your friends in addition to loose change are shooting at half hap information or atleast gather data and modifying it to make it seem one way. But to have your opinion based off of sketchy data rather than more solid evidence that has been upfront since the beginning only tells the pubic with a mind of their own is you are reaching for things. Who knows why, however it usually stems from hate, prejudice and other selfish reasons which lets you ignore small certain facts that change the whole over all perpective of your own judgement.
look i just watched this movie the first time and just wrote about the odd titanium melt and the missing bigger parts. now you write that it is funny that iam willing to listen someone i dont know. sorry, we have to listen every day to media and informations from people we dont know mixed of facts and lies, everyone of us...its our own decision how we judge that and draw the conclusions of course we cant always do it right, so trust is only left and like you wrote you are not an idiot who believe everything in the world, thats correct. iam not living in the usa but i would be definately not satisfied with the overhaul abou these drastically expiriences. iam aware that such types of movies, like thise one here are parts of conspiracy which are not always serious, but you probably have to agree that there are some questions which you cant answer by yourself and thats why we find it interesting to watch those movies. quiete some of those conspiracy movies are made to make profit or influence people politically, and here again we have to be carefull to valuate the content but also our daily press n media informations.
All of the conspiracy theories have been de-bunked by actual experts, all of them. You people who are gullible enough to believe those conspiracy videos and have the audacity to say that anyone who doesn't believe them is stupid need to look more at yourselves than at the people around you.
Osama bin laden put those people to death, he admitted it and everyone sane knows it. I suppose you think he is working for the U.S. government too? Probably sitting in some Holiday Inn express in Florida with the F.B.I. guarding him?
The state of public education is truly sad judging by this thread.
Originally posted by spizz i trust nobody except i see it with my own eyes, i either trust this video here either i trust any government 100%, but that is not the discussion about. which has to proof in what way cant be dictated from you, from both ways we need evidence and facts.
First off you would be a complete idiot to trust any government or anyone a 100%. But if you can't go between 1% and 99% then you are just a follower in the world of sheep. Obviously you are easy prey to words of someone that can show you pretty pictures and get 100% of your trust even in a day of when we can edit Britney Spears having sex with a street bumb. Well it isn't out there I suppose, but it can happen and be edited up in a very short time.
It is funny how you are so willing to listen to the words of someone you don't even know, but think one person has good intentions while a vast amount of people to be conspiring. It is a lot harder for it to happen without MAJORLY leaking but yet more typical and easier for one to point fingers or be the one conspiring.
All of these things you mention are a lot of guess work and a lot of editing to make it seem creditble. However the fact still stand as they are and your friends in addition to loose change are shooting at half hap information or atleast gather data and modifying it to make it seem one way. But to have your opinion based off of sketchy data rather than more solid evidence that has been upfront since the beginning only tells the pubic with a mind of their own is you are reaching for things. Who knows why, however it usually stems from hate, prejudice and other selfish reasons which lets you ignore small certain facts that change the whole over all perpective of your own judgement.
look i just watched this movie the first time and just wrote about the odd titanium melt and the missing bigger parts. now you write that it is funny that iam willing to listen someone i dont know. sorry, we have to listen every day to media and informations from people we dont know mixed of facts and lies, everyone of us...its our own decision how we judge that and draw the conclusions of course we cant always do it right, so trust is only left. iam not living in the usa but i would be definately not satisfied with the overhaul abou these drastically expiriences. iam aware that such types of movies, like thise one here are parts of conspiracy which are not always serious, but you probably have to agree that there are some questions which you cant answer by yourself and thats why we find it interesting to watch those movies. quiete some of those conspiracy movies are made to make profit or influence people politically, and here again we have to be carefull to valuate the content but also our daily press n media informations. look i just watched this movie the first time and just wrote about the odd titanium melt and the missing bigger parts. now you write that it is funny that iam willing to listen someone i dont know. sorry, we have to listen every day to media and informations from people we dont know mixed of facts and lies, everyone of us...its our own decision how we judge that and draw the conclusions of course we cant always do it right, so trust is only left. iam not living in the usa but i would be definately not satisfied with the overhaul abou these drastically expiriences. iam aware that such types of movies, like thise one here are parts of conspiracy which are not always serious, but you probably have to agree that there are some questions which you cant answer by yourself and thats why we find it interesting to watch those movies. quiete some of those conspiracy movies are made to make profit or influence people politically, and here again we have to be carefull to valuate the content but also our daily press n media informations.
Partly I agree. But the trust part. No, you have to use your own judgement to decide what is logical and what is just theory.
Theory, throw out unless it makes more sense than the evidence or supports the evidence. If it is contrary to evidence then you have to throw it out, unless it proves to be a lead. You have to make a decision at a point if the information you are receiving is helping/informing you of truth and etc or if does start to follow more of a certain agenda of political or personal gain. Usually if if trails off away from logic or even circumstancial information then you can start seeing the intend in it. Well in my view most of that is common sense to me and not to others. I think it take experience and the "been there done that" to see when someone is trying to sway people to see things in their own views rather than informing us of prevalent events.
Sorry if I seem to say things that can be hurtful. However, usually when someone says something that shows me they don't speak from experience, yet behave as they are speaking from, I tend to become abrasive.
Sorry, no personal harm intended. Just a snap of the whip as to speak. We are like that pretty much in the SouthWest US.
Had to edit. Wierd. My post also shown up as a quote as well.
Originally posted by anarchyart All of the conspiracy theories have been de-bunked by actual experts, all of them. You people who are gullible enough to believe those conspiracy videos and have the audacity to say that anyone who doesn't believe them is stupid need to look more at yourselves than at the people around you. Osama bin laden put those people to death, he admitted it and everyone sane knows it. I suppose you think he is working for the U.S. government too? Probably sitting in some Holiday Inn express in Florida with the F.B.I. guarding him? The state of public education is truly sad judging by this thread.
9/11 has been more closely scrutinized and examined than any event in history. Almost 5 years later, with people still analysing what happened, no credible person has stepped forward and said they have any 'credible' evidence, whatsoever, that the government was involved.
However all it takes for some people apparently to believe otherwise is seeing one video on the internet as opposed to actually following and understanding the events leading up to 9/11.
A poster above me said this, and truer words have never been spoken that conspiracy theorists rely on the uneducated and uninformed to buy into their fallacies.
Anyone else notice the Liberal thinking of this person? I love how this person gets the number from the Impeachment for Clinton and turns it into a minor portion of the cause. Only a Liberal does this. Taking things out of contrast and context to prove a point that is not equated. Obvously you can see this as only a I love Democrats and I HATE Republicans. It is extreme people llike this that fuck up our society by voting on things that are based on political party. People like this person here would vote accordingly Example if ANY person running for office was honest in this statement. Keep thi sin mind that this is only a scenerio and not representing fact nor opinion. Just an example of people like the poster here. ______________________________________________________________________________________ DEMOCRAT SAYS: I plan to let mexico take over america and all white people will become slaves and El Presidenti Fox will pay me millions in drug money to let him rule beside me. REPUBLICAN SAYS: I plan on a fair budget and will help, not only americans to be safe from hostile foreigners but allow foreigners that are law abiding into our country to work and be successful in our community.
I'm not a democrat and i'm not liberal. I'm not sure if I read your post clearly but are you going off on me because of my Clinton remark? What I wrote through my entire post was a very reasonable in regards to why I distrust the government.
Is it me or are government sheep a little bit more barbaric in their posts than the tinfoils? Lets try and be a bit more civilised.
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
Alex, your post above got cut off somehow. I am assuming you hit a character limit. Recommend you cut off the quotes from others and redo it because contrary to popular belief, I do like to at least read what you write.
Originally posted by anarchyart Originally posted by AlexAmore
Is it me or are government sheep a little bit more barbaric in their posts than the tinfoils? Lets try and be a bit more civilised.
It's you. And Osama did organize the hijackings of those airplanes, and no matter what kind of tinfoil hat you wear you can't change that.
So you just completely ignored the link? another Osama Bin Laden tape You can clearly see that is not Bin Laden. If you can see a plane in the new Pentagon video then you can see Bin Laden is not there. It's just more government sponsored grainy video.
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
Originally posted by AlexAmore So you just completely ignored the link? another Osama Bin Laden tape You can clearly see that is not Bin Laden. If you can see a plane in the new Pentagon video then you can see Bin Laden is not there. It's just more government sponsored grainy video.
I did click the link, it's a bunch of conjecture which has nothing to do with whether or not Osama bin laden planned and funded the hijackings which he has taken credit for.
Originally posted by anarchyart Originally posted by AlexAmore So you just completely ignored the link? another Osama Bin Laden tape You can clearly see that is not Bin Laden. If you can see a plane in the new Pentagon video then you can see Bin Laden is not there. It's just more government sponsored grainy video.
I did click the link, it's a bunch of conjecture which has nothing to do with whether or not Osama bin laden planned and funded the hijackings which he has taken credit for.
Thanks for posting the family photo though.
Thats the proof that the government gave us as to whether Osama Bin Laden planned 9/11! These videos are the ones you implied when you said "Osama admitted it", correct me if i'm wrong (lots of people go back to these videos as "proof").
It is clear we see a much broader nose on the left figure, and fuller, if not altogether different facial charcteristics.
This is what our government gives us as "truth". These are two different people. If you can't see that then........... *sigh*
This is proof that our government lied to us about one of the biggest things to hit our nation.
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
So the only possible explaination for the different looking Osama's is that the US Government made and faked them? Please. Let me think, off the top of my head, of some possibilities:
It's the real Osama and he is doing much better in his hiding place than we are led to believe.
It's the real Osama, but he is in custody of the US (OMGz maybe in one of the secret European camps!) and has grown fat eating McDonald's.
It's a fake Osama as described by AlexAmore's website
It's a fake Osama being used by some terrorist group.
It's a fake Osama working directly for Osama because he has changed his identity in order to hide.
Hell, I guess I could go on for a while with that, but you catch my drift. Don't you get it yet? The creators of these conspiracies lead you to come to a conclusion that they want you to see but never mention any other possibilities. It does not matter if it is Alex Jones, Internet_Conspiracist_01, or the 9/11 Commission. I'm ashamed that so many of you feel that only two possibilities could exist. It makes for boring discussion too.
You have been shown the signs, and still you don't want to believe, many many people were laughed at when they told the truth, and many many people were killed because of the same reason, then those who laugh, and killed those who told the truth, cried, they cried later on, and felt the shame for not accepting the truth, then they decided to believe, but it was too late.
now hear me out, it's not too late, still, there's sometime left, but it's not much, accept the truth, and do something about it, before it's too late to accept anything.
Originally posted by daeandor So the only possible explaination for the different looking Osama's is that the US Government made and faked them? Please. Let me think, off the top of my head, of some possibilities:
It's the real Osama and he is doing much better in his hiding place than we are led to believe. It's hard to comment on that because there are "healthy Osama" vs "Ill Osama" pictures around and plus I have no idea why they would lie about him being sick. I guess we could ponder but it would only be speculation...something you don't seem to condone daeander (don't forget!). It's the real Osama, but he is in custody of the US (OMGz maybe in one of the secret European camps!) and has grown fat eating McDonald's. ROFL Thats it! . Actually I heard rumors about that. That would actually support the possibility of Osama being a CIA agent. I haven't looked into it much so I can't really say anything. It's a fake Osama as described by AlexAmore's website Then our government lied to us. It's a fake Osama being used by some terrorist group. Then our government lied and our CIA analysts who watched this before us sucks at their job and should be fired. It's a fake Osama working directly for Osama because he has changed his identity in order to hide. Our Government lied and our CIA sucks at their job and should be fired. I believe our CIA knows very well what Osama looks like in person, they've met him before. Hell, I guess I could go on for a while with that, but you catch my drift. Don't you get it yet? The creators of these conspiracies lead you to come to a conclusion that they want you to see but never mention any other possibilities. It does not matter if it is Alex Jones, Internet_Conspiracist_01, or the 9/11 Commission. I'm ashamed that so many of you feel that only two possibilities could exist. It makes for boring discussion too.
Yes there are other things that could have happened but that would mean the government lied to us or were misled, but America being a superpower....kind of hard to believe. One possibility is Osama worked with the US, after all we know of the Bush and Bin Laden family connection. Another possibility is the government knew it was going to happen and let it happen.
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
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OMFG, Dude. You can't see it can you? Umm I think you need to look at things in perspective and stop having thoughts of government = conspiracy. Once you stop them thoughts then you will see and understand more of what others say.
Originally posted by spizz
what makes me to think, is the fact they didnt find the titanium engine parts of the plane and the fact that tinanium cant smelt comepletely from the impact...thats really really odd
what makes me to think, is the fact they didnt find the titanium engine parts of the plane and the fact that tinanium cant smelt comepletely from the impact...thats really really odd
REALLY, who didn't find it ??? Loose Change??? Wow, when did they become the clean up crew? Were people ACTUALLY ALLOWED to come on the GROUNDS of the PENTAGON to walk around FREELY to do as they WANT to do as you say?
WHO ARE THEY????? I think this is the opening where "THEY" "LOOSE CHANGE" can say ANYTHING they want and there will be NO ONE to confirm this. ANYTHING to take things off task.
You guys are all wasting your time on this and should be living a life and not..........wait. WTF am I doing.....Joe Walsh......"You can't argue with a sick mind" *Rudnoc* re-thinks about this whole topic. NM, I can see now this must be a new MMOMUD called LETS HATE THE GOVERNMENT UNTIL A DEMO GETS IN OFFICE.
Bye.
show me the evidence, facts about that a huge plane chrashed into the pentagon and probably a lot of people dont believe anything in the movie
Sorry, it is the other way around. Show me that a plane DID NOT crash. I trust media before I will trust some off the wall person that has had 5 years to doctor up all sorts of crap.
BTW what movie? Are you talking about the gate monitor? Only people that don't believe are people like you that think everything is a conspiracy.
Oh BTW, I love how you respond to my question with a question. Obviously a cheap tactic to get out of the truth.
OMFG, Dude. You can't see it can you? Umm I think you need to look at things in perspective and stop having thoughts of government = conspiracy. Once you stop them thoughts then you will see and understand more of what others say.
Originally posted by spizz
what makes me to think, is the fact they didnt find the titanium engine parts of the plane and the fact that tinanium cant smelt comepletely from the impact...thats really really odd
what makes me to think, is the fact they didnt find the titanium engine parts of the plane and the fact that tinanium cant smelt comepletely from the impact...thats really really odd
REALLY, who didn't find it ??? Loose Change??? Wow, when did they become the clean up crew? Were people ACTUALLY ALLOWED to come on the GROUNDS of the PENTAGON to walk around FREELY to do as they WANT to do as you say?
WHO ARE THEY????? I think this is the opening where "THEY" "LOOSE CHANGE" can say ANYTHING they want and there will be NO ONE to confirm this. ANYTHING to take things off task.
You guys are all wasting your time on this and should be living a life and not..........wait. WTF am I doing.....Joe Walsh......"You can't argue with a sick mind" *Rudnoc* re-thinks about this whole topic. NM, I can see now this must be a new MMOMUD called LETS HATE THE GOVERNMENT UNTIL A DEMO GETS IN OFFICE.
Bye.
show me the evidence, facts about that a huge plane chrashed into the pentagon and probably a lot of people dont believe anything in the movie
Sorry, it is the other way around. Show me that a plane DID NOT crash. I trust media before I will trust some off the wall person that has had 5 years to doctor up all sorts of crap.
i trust nobody except i see it with my own eyes, i either trust this video here either i trust any government 100%, but that is not the discussion about. which has to proof in what way cant be dictated from you, from both ways we need evidence and facts.
Just what the government needs. Controlling the media = controlling you. And yes, they are controlling the mainstream media, so...draw your own conclusion about you...
First off you would be a complete idiot to trust any government or anyone a 100%. But if you can't go between 1% and 99% then you are just a follower in the world of sheep. Obviously you are easy prey to words of someone that can show you pretty pictures and get 100% of your trust even in a day of when we can edit Britney Spears having sex with a street bumb. Well it isn't out there I suppose, but it can happen and be edited up in a very short time.
It is funny how you are so willing to listen to the words of someone you don't even know, but think one person has good intentions while a vast amount of people to be conspiring. It is a lot harder for it to happen without MAJORLY leaking but yet more typical and easier for one to point fingers or be the one conspiring.
All of these things you mention are a lot of guess work and a lot of editing to make it seem creditble. However the fact still stand as they are and your friends in addition to loose change are shooting at half hap information or atleast gather data and modifying it to make it seem one way. But to have your opinion based off of sketchy data rather than more solid evidence that has been upfront since the beginning only tells the pubic with a mind of their own is you are reaching for things. Who knows why, however it usually stems from hate, prejudice and other selfish reasons which lets you ignore small certain facts that change the whole over all perpective of your own judgement.
I just don't like it when one side is taken as gospel without taking a step back and viewing both sides, lardmouth. There is a lot of evidence missing from the "government theory," which is part of the reason there are even "alternate theories." I also don't like it when part of the argument includes defamation of the individual making the report as a reason not to believe the report. If I see someone say, "so and so is biased so you cannot believe what they say," I tend to be skeptical of both "theories." Obviously, this applies to both sides, as they both do it.
In the end, I see both you and AlexAmore using similar "one-sided" arguments and that is why you were mentioned. I have brought this up with AlexAmore several times before so I am less courtious nowdays with him than I currently am with you.
AlexAmore would make the point that I am too skeptical and nothing will satisfy me, which may be somewhat true. My first or second post in this particular thread talks about what would satisfy my skepticism to some extent if you care to read it.
Just what the government needs. Controlling the media = controlling you. And yes, they are controlling the mainstream media, so...draw your own conclusion about you...
LMFAO BIG TIME.
Guy you now have just shown EVERYONE that reads this thread that you are a PURE IDIOT. The Replubic controling NBC, ABC, CNN, FOX, CSPAN and etc. LOLOLOLOL.
I think you just shown everyone about YOU
Thank you, you just proven my point.
Keep in mind and Sodder this to your BRAIN.....................
"Everything is Never Black and White. Never 0% and never 100% ....Use your brain, but listen as well. You will find out there is a whole world out there that will teach you things.
First off you would be a complete idiot to trust any government or anyone a 100%. But if you can't go between 1% and 99% then you are just a follower in the world of sheep. Obviously you are easy prey to words of someone that can show you pretty pictures and get 100% of your trust even in a day of when we can edit Britney Spears having sex with a street bumb. Well it isn't out there I suppose, but it can happen and be edited up in a very short time.
It is funny how you are so willing to listen to the words of someone you don't even know, but think one person has good intentions while a vast amount of people to be conspiring. It is a lot harder for it to happen without MAJORLY leaking but yet more typical and easier for one to point fingers or be the one conspiring.
All of these things you mention are a lot of guess work and a lot of editing to make it seem creditble. However the fact still stand as they are and your friends in addition to loose change are shooting at half hap information or atleast gather data and modifying it to make it seem one way. But to have your opinion based off of sketchy data rather than more solid evidence that has been upfront since the beginning only tells the pubic with a mind of their own is you are reaching for things. Who knows why, however it usually stems from hate, prejudice and other selfish reasons which lets you ignore small certain facts that change the whole over all perpective of your own judgement.
look i just watched this movie the first time and just wrote about the odd titanium melt and the missing bigger parts. now you write that it is funny that iam willing to listen someone i dont know. sorry, we have to listen every day to media and informations from people we dont know mixed of facts and lies, everyone of us...its our own decision how we judge that and draw the conclusions of course we cant always do it right, so trust is only left and like you wrote you are not an idiot who believe everything in the world, thats correct. iam not living in the usa but i would be definately not satisfied with the overhaul abou these drastically expiriences. iam aware that such types of movies, like thise one here are parts of conspiracy which are not always serious, but you probably have to agree that there are some questions which you cant answer by yourself and thats why we find it interesting to watch those movies. quiete some of those conspiracy movies are made to make profit or influence people politically, and here again we have to be carefull to valuate the content but also our daily press n media informations.
All of the conspiracy theories have been de-bunked by actual experts, all of them. You people who are gullible enough to believe those conspiracy videos and have the audacity to say that anyone who doesn't believe them is stupid need to look more at yourselves than at the people around you.
Osama bin laden put those people to death, he admitted it and everyone sane knows it. I suppose you think he is working for the U.S. government too? Probably sitting in some Holiday Inn express in Florida with the F.B.I. guarding him?
The state of public education is truly sad judging by this thread.
First off you would be a complete idiot to trust any government or anyone a 100%. But if you can't go between 1% and 99% then you are just a follower in the world of sheep. Obviously you are easy prey to words of someone that can show you pretty pictures and get 100% of your trust even in a day of when we can edit Britney Spears having sex with a street bumb. Well it isn't out there I suppose, but it can happen and be edited up in a very short time.
It is funny how you are so willing to listen to the words of someone you don't even know, but think one person has good intentions while a vast amount of people to be conspiring. It is a lot harder for it to happen without MAJORLY leaking but yet more typical and easier for one to point fingers or be the one conspiring.
All of these things you mention are a lot of guess work and a lot of editing to make it seem creditble. However the fact still stand as they are and your friends in addition to loose change are shooting at half hap information or atleast gather data and modifying it to make it seem one way. But to have your opinion based off of sketchy data rather than more solid evidence that has been upfront since the beginning only tells the pubic with a mind of their own is you are reaching for things. Who knows why, however it usually stems from hate, prejudice and other selfish reasons which lets you ignore small certain facts that change the whole over all perpective of your own judgement.
look i just watched this movie the first time and just wrote about the odd titanium melt and the missing bigger parts. now you write that it is funny that iam willing to listen someone i dont know. sorry, we have to listen every day to media and informations from people we dont know mixed of facts and lies, everyone of us...its our own decision how we judge that and draw the conclusions of course we cant always do it right, so trust is only left. iam not living in the usa but i would be definately not satisfied with the overhaul abou these drastically expiriences. iam aware that such types of movies, like thise one here are parts of conspiracy which are not always serious, but you probably have to agree that there are some questions which you cant answer by yourself and thats why we find it interesting to watch those movies. quiete some of those conspiracy movies are made to make profit or influence people politically, and here again we have to be carefull to valuate the content but also our daily press n media informations.
look i just watched this movie the first time and just wrote about the odd titanium melt and the missing bigger parts. now you write that it is funny that iam willing to listen someone i dont know. sorry, we have to listen every day to media and informations from people we dont know mixed of facts and lies, everyone of us...its our own decision how we judge that and draw the conclusions of course we cant always do it right, so trust is only left. iam not living in the usa but i would be definately not satisfied with the overhaul abou these drastically expiriences. iam aware that such types of movies, like thise one here are parts of conspiracy which are not always serious, but you probably have to agree that there are some questions which you cant answer by yourself and thats why we find it interesting to watch those movies. quiete some of those conspiracy movies are made to make profit or influence people politically, and here again we have to be carefull to valuate the content but also our daily press n media informations.
Partly I agree. But the trust part. No, you have to use your own judgement to decide what is logical and what is just theory.
Theory, throw out unless it makes more sense than the evidence or supports the evidence. If it is contrary to evidence then you have to throw it out, unless it proves to be a lead. You have to make a decision at a point if the information you are receiving is helping/informing you of truth and etc or if does start to follow more of a certain agenda of political or personal gain. Usually if if trails off away from logic or even circumstancial information then you can start seeing the intend in it. Well in my view most of that is common sense to me and not to others. I think it take experience and the "been there done that" to see when someone is trying to sway people to see things in their own views rather than informing us of prevalent events.
Sorry if I seem to say things that can be hurtful. However, usually when someone says something that shows me they don't speak from experience, yet behave as they are speaking from, I tend to become abrasive.
Sorry, no personal harm intended. Just a snap of the whip as to speak. We are like that pretty much in the SouthWest US.
Had to edit. Wierd. My post also shown up as a quote as well.
9/11 has been more closely scrutinized and examined than any event in history. Almost 5 years later, with people still analysing what happened, no credible person has stepped forward and said they have any 'credible' evidence, whatsoever, that the government was involved.
However all it takes for some people apparently to believe otherwise is seeing one video on the internet as opposed to actually following and understanding the events leading up to 9/11.
A poster above me said this, and truer words have never been spoken that conspiracy theorists rely on the uneducated and uninformed to buy into their fallacies.
Is it me or are government sheep a little bit more barbaric in their posts than the tinfoils? Lets try and be a bit more civilised.
Also to the Osama Bin Laden remark. Tell me if the government lied here or even if it was possible: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html
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It's you. And Osama did organize the hijackings of those airplanes, and no matter what kind of tinfoil hat you wear you can't change that.
It's you. And Osama did organize the hijackings of those airplanes, and no matter what kind of tinfoil hat you wear you can't change that.
So you just completely ignored the link? another Osama Bin Laden tape
You can clearly see that is not Bin Laden. If you can see a plane in the new Pentagon video then you can see Bin Laden is not there. It's just more government sponsored grainy video.
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
It's you. And Osama did organize the hijackings of those airplanes, and no matter what kind of tinfoil hat you wear you can't change that.
no Osama Bin Kalb did not plan the hijacking, simple as that.
Oh wow you win! I've never heard it worded that way! The guvernmint suxxors and iz after meeez!
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I did click the link, it's a bunch of conjecture which has nothing to do with whether or not Osama bin laden planned and funded the hijackings which he has taken credit for.
Thanks for posting the family photo though.
I did click the link, it's a bunch of conjecture which has nothing to do with whether or not Osama bin laden planned and funded the hijackings which he has taken credit for.
Thanks for posting the family photo though.
Thats the proof that the government gave us as to whether Osama Bin Laden planned 9/11! These videos are the ones you implied when you said "Osama admitted it", correct me if i'm wrong (lots of people go back to these videos as "proof").
It is clear we see a much broader nose on the left figure, and fuller, if not altogether different facial charcteristics.
This is what our government gives us as "truth". These are two different people. If you can't see that then........... *sigh*
This is proof that our government lied to us about one of the biggest things to hit our nation.
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
So the only possible explaination for the different looking Osama's is that the US Government made and faked them? Please. Let me think, off the top of my head, of some possibilities:
Hell, I guess I could go on for a while with that, but you catch my drift. Don't you get it yet? The creators of these conspiracies lead you to come to a conclusion that they want you to see but never mention any other possibilities. It does not matter if it is Alex Jones, Internet_Conspiracist_01, or the 9/11 Commission. I'm ashamed that so many of you feel that only two possibilities could exist. It makes for boring discussion too.
You have been shown the signs, and still you don't want to believe, many many people were laughed at when they told the truth, and many many people were killed because of the same reason, then those who laugh, and killed those who told the truth, cried, they cried later on, and felt the shame for not accepting the truth, then they decided to believe, but it was too late.
now hear me out, it's not too late, still, there's sometime left, but it's not much, accept the truth, and do something about it, before it's too late to accept anything.
Here's another possibility: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhMUtzOxjJY&search=file83...a...ok this doesn't have much to do with Osama but I just found it lol
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American