Originally posted by jhall229 Originally posted by AlexAmore Originally posted by jhall229 You and everyone who believes this are ignorant, naiive, MORONS.
Ya know, by saying that you're bashing many families on that day who lost loved ones and many military vets and active.
I'm not bashing anyone who died on 9/11, I dont know where you got that. But anyone who thinks that the President of the United States would be behind something like that is just plain naiive. Wow...just beautiful reading comprehension you have there. Now I know why you're so smart. Read what I said again. I said the family's of lost ones not the dead. You said the family's who believed in the cover up are morons. Remember you said "you and everyone else"
If you want to know who you are naiive to, it is the "Left." Its the left that will do anything to slander the George Bush/the Bush administration, and it is the naiive people such as yourself and others who believe them. You guys need to realize that most things you hear and read in the mainstream media is influenced by the left in one way or the other, and at this point and time, is aimed at destroyed one man: George W. Bush/his administration. Actually most of the stuff in the mainstream is a load of BS. I don't listen to any of it. You may think they are bashing Bush but in reality they aren't asking the tough questions or bringing up the tough topics.
No I dont think he is the greatest president ever, but I do realize the hatred people have for him, and the stories they can come up with to try to ruin him are all too obvious. You know who is probably corrupt is your quoted congresswoman and former FBI investigator. Ouch, compelling argument you have there.
LOL that video is so full of crap its not even funny. "14 fighter jets left to protect the entire US." HAHA, there are more than that on Pope AFB, NC where I am stationed. That ignorant statement alone is enough to throw out this entire "documentary." And by the way since you believe this video, why dont you check out the new video of a LARGE PASENGER PLANE hitting the pentagon that was released recently. It didnt look like a cruise missile to me Is there an even newer one? If it looked like a plane at all then it looked like an F-16 or something of that sort. We aren't really even talking about the documentary so much as we are talking about just 9/11. They are coming out with Loose Change 3rd edition and they will be adding and fixing stuff on the 2nd. How many aircraft were guarding America? This guy says 14 COLONEL ROBERT MARR, US AIR FORCE - Go down to 03:50:28 in the interview. How many aircraft do you think we had on guard? If you think we are so protected how does 1 hour after NORAD knew of the first hijacking a plane crashes into our national security HQ (Pentagon), right in Washington DC..which is really protected specially when our nation is under attack....duh.
I give the creators of that so-called "documentary" credit. It only took them 4 years to come up with one of the most BS videos ever created. Grats. It only took the Pentagon 4-5 years to release some new BS footage of the Pentagon getting hit which nothing can be concluded from. If they were serious about releasing something they might want to release the other 60-80 video tapes of the crash. Something smells fishy?
And I am willing to bet the most you have investigated this matter are the left-side wacko blog sites. Why am I willing to bet this?? Because its pretty obvious you are reading the left's rhetoric when you attack Fox News, lol. I wouldnt doubt you beieve Fahrenheit 9/11 was all true too. I feel sorry for our county now. It seems all the young people are getting drawn into believing whatever they see or read. Where do you get your reliable news/info? I attacked Fox because it's so obvious they are working for the white house.
I knew I shouldnt have tried to read any off-topic posts on this site. I will stick to talking about games.
Nice job debunking my posts, I should try name calling next time.
You can say moron all you want but you aren't debunking my posts and so you got nothing.
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
I'm not bashing anyone who died on 9/11, I dont know where you got that. But anyone who thinks that the President of the United States would be behind something like that is just plain naiive. If you want to know who you are naiive to, it is the "Left." Its the left that will do anything to slander the George Bush/the Bush administration, and it is the naiive people such as yourself and others who believe them. You guys need to realize that most things you hear and read in the mainstream media is influenced by the left in one way or the other, and at this point and time, is aimed at destroyed one man: George W. Bush/his administration. No I dont think he is the greatest president ever, but I do realize the hatred people have for him, and the stories they can come up with to try to ruin him are all too obvious. You know who is probably corrupt is your quoted congresswoman and former FBI investigator.
LOL that video is so full of crap its not even funny. "14 fighter jets left to protect the entire US." HAHA, there are more than that on Pope AFB, NC where I am stationed. That ignorant statement alone is enough to throw out this entire "documentary." And by the way since you believe this video, why dont you check out the new video of a LARGE PASENGER PLANE hitting the pentagon that was released recently. It didnt look like a cruise missile to me
I give the creators of that so-called "documentary" credit. It only took them 4 years to come up with one of the most BS videos ever created. Grats.
And I am willing to bet the most you have investigated this matter are the left-side wacko blog sites. Why am I willing to bet this?? Because its pretty obvious you are reading the left's rhetoric when you attack Fox News, lol. I wouldnt doubt you beieve Fahrenheit 9/11 was all true too. I feel sorry for our county now. It seems all the young people are getting drawn into believing whatever they see or read.
I knew I shouldnt have tried to read any off-topic posts on this site. I will stick to talking about games.
I do wish this thread would go away. This hurts my head. I am expanding my beliefs now. I used to believe you should not be able to vote or drive if your IQ is less than 90 but if that went for posting also, then this thread wouldn't be here. Errrr, going for the ibuprophin (stupidity gives me a headache)
Originally posted by ixontes I do wish this thread would go away. This hurts my head. I am expanding my beliefs now. I used to believe you should not be able to vote or drive if your IQ is less than 90 but if that went for posting also, then this thread wouldn't be here. Errrr, going for the ibuprophin (stupidity gives me a headache)
well, i dont think that anyone with the iq of less than 90 should be aloud to run for president.
If you dislike this thread, than just dont read it. ... proves how intelligent you are.
And that proves that Flt 93 was shot down? Please. If the plane were "blown up" by a missile, then why was there a crater? Actually, I'm not going to go through all the questions you should have already asked yourself when you saw this because for some reason you cannot learn.
I am so happy to live in such a wonderful and free country and for some reason so many americans take this for granted. Why are Americans stupid? Individually we can be smart, but you take the masses and Americans become as dumb as rocks.
Originally posted by Xexima well, of course there wouldn't be a documented discovery of any explosives, that is the biggest part of this conspiracy/coverup. If there was documented proof (which, according to you, eyewitness reports don't count as this) it would have to come from the people who, soposively(sp?), planted the bombs (The U.S. government), so it would never happen, and if someone besides them found out, of course they would pay them off to shut up. And if there were actually bombs in the wtc, it only could have been planted by 2 groups, the terrorists or the government. The terrorists would have no reason to plant the bombs, because that would defeat the purpose of flying a plane into the buildings. The government, on the other hand, would have an excuse to go to war. This would also explain why the pentagon got hit in the one part that was just being constructed, and was blast proof. That way when the plane (or missile, because there is no evidence that a plane actually hit the pentagon, except for eyewitness reports(which dont count) ) hit the pentagon, they would have all the more reason to go to war. It got the public even madder than the WTC, because thoes dam iraqis dared to attack OUR capital (sarcasm). It gives the us motive, but the muslims that "did it for allah" really had no motive compared to our government.
I did not say eyewitness reports "do not count." What I said was that eyewitnesses that say "I heard an explosion," does not prove that a seperately detonated explosive device caused that sound.
Although you may think that the Federal Government always pays people off and those people remain quiet, this just in not the case. Why? Recent history, Watergate, Irangate, and numerous other instances of whistleblowers and coverups that have botched bribes and government agent coerscion. It's been nearly 5 years and nobody has blown a whistle on this yet, which I feel would be impossible if it were as widespread as the conspiracists would lead you to believe. While I leave government coverup as a very sincere possibility when it pertains to their being completely incompetent at protecting the nation.
The terrorists have plenty of reason to plant bombs. Maybe the fact that they tried it once before eluded you? The previous attempt on the WTC resulted in minor damage to the basement garage. Quite possibly they learned from this and found a way to create a catastrophic collapse. Do not think that the terrorists involved in this event were foolish and uneducated children.
The government didn't need a new excuse to go to war. They had been positioning for military action in Iraq for years and have always had enough evidence to go into Afghanistan. The sad part is that Clinton ignored the warning signs when we actually had good intel on the terrorists in the mid 90's. Well, he did launch a half dozen Tomohawk missiles at a few old shacks...
Lastly, the extreme muslim movement has been in the business of terror in opposition of western culture for centuries. Within the last 60 years it has taken roots as violent extremism (terrorism). They have very real social, economic, and religious motive.
One of our biggest failings as a country, regardless of which theory you support, is arrogance. If you watch the videos online that different terrorist organizations put out, one of the first things they say is how arrogant we [westerners and particularly the US] are. The fact that we have grown to have large groups of Westerners that believe that no terrorist could possibly pull off an attack of such magnitude is perfect example of the arrogance the terrorists accuse us of.
Here lies the greatest catch 22, if we take the "US government did it theory" as a serious possibility, then we have to focus investigative and intelligence assets on determining that "truth." However, in doing so we have reduced our effectiveness against the terrorists, which, regardless of whether they committed the acts on 9/11, desperately want to repeat or surpass the devestation of 9/11 now or in the near future. Not only that, but terrorists can be emboldened by the fact that they can possibly set forth wideswept political change in the US with a well executed attack. The Feds are really in a lose / lose situation on 9/11 at this point. How we got there is becoming more irrelevant with each passing day because we come closer to the next "9/11."
And that proves that Flt 93 was shot down? Please. If the plane were "blown up" by a missile, then why was there a crater? Actually, I'm not going to go through all the questions you should have already asked yourself when you saw this because for some reason you cannot learn.
Look you weren't there, witnesses were and they said no evidence of a plane. I can't believe I have to repeat this. If you looked at the pictures and didn't know what exactly it was supposed to be....would you think landfill or a 757 CRASHED!!!
Do you see a 757 in there? Can you prove a 757? Are you calling those eyewitnesses in the interviews BS? Have you seen other airplane crashes before (hint: they leave plenty of evidence of the crash, you can still see the plane).
A Boeing 757 holds over 11,000 gallons of jet fuel. Flight 93 was said to have crash still "heavily laden" with jet fuel. What happened to the remaining thousands of gallons of jet fuel and why isn't there a huge fire with thick black smoke come from the crater where it supposedly crashed? But we find these little pieces of paper from a completely disintegrated 757.
Now check this crater out that this 757 created. notice there is no fire damage to rim.
Conclusion: Official story is bogus.
I don't know if the plane was shot down or if it ever crashed. I can tell you that a 757 is not there. I think this crater could easily been done by a missle and that would explain it better.
Btw what do you think of that raging inferno resistant woman in the hole in WTC?
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
I did not say eyewitness reports "do not count." What I said was that eyewitnesses that say "I heard an explosion," does not prove that a seperately detonated explosive device caused that sound. http://911proof.com/resources/innrodriguesisdnsept05snow.wmv Although you may think that the Federal Government always pays people off and those people remain quiet, this just in not the case. Why? Recent history, Watergate, Irangate, and numerous other instances of whistleblowers and coverups that have botched bribes and government agent coerscion. It's been nearly 5 years and nobody has blown a whistle on this yet, which I feel would be impossible if it were as widespread as the conspiracists would lead you to believe. While I leave government coverup as a very sincere possibility when it pertains to their being completely incompetent at protecting the nation. Some people have spoken up like Sibel Edwards who testified for the 9/11 Commission but none of it was put in and even though it was crucial info about FBI corruption. Same with the guy in the basement, He talked to the commission about crucial info about the WTC tower but none of it was put in the report. The terrorists have plenty of reason to plant bombs. Maybe the fact that they tried it once before eluded you? The previous attempt on the WTC resulted in minor damage to the basement garage. Quite possibly they learned from this and found a way to create a catastrophic collapse. Do not think that the terrorists involved in this event were foolish and uneducated children. The government didn't need a new excuse to go to war. They had been positioning for military action in Iraq for years and have always had enough evidence to go into Afghanistan. The sad part is that Clinton ignored the warning signs when we actually had good intel on the terrorists in the mid 90's. Well, he did launch a half dozen Tomohawk missiles at a few old shacks... PNAC says they needed a pearl harbor. We needed a reminder basically so that way we would support them which we did for a while (not me, but in general). Lastly, the extreme muslim movement has been in the business of terror in opposition of western culture for centuries. Within the last 60 years it has taken roots as violent extremism (terrorism). They have very real social, economic, and religious motive. One of our biggest failings as a country, regardless of which theory you support, is arrogance. If you watch the videos online that different terrorist organizations put out, one of the first things they say is how arrogant we [westerners and particularly the US] are. The fact that we have grown to have large groups of Westerners that believe that no terrorist could possibly pull off an attack of such magnitude is perfect example of the arrogance the terrorists accuse us of. I would say us Westerners in general are pretty arrogant. The way they are handling it (through violence) is not something I condone. Here lies the greatest catch 22, if we take the "US government did it theory" as a serious possibility, then we have to focus investigative and intelligence assets on determining that "truth." However, in doing so we have reduced our effectiveness against the terrorists, which, regardless of whether they committed the acts on 9/11, desperately want to repeat or surpass the devestation of 9/11 now or in the near future. Not only that, but terrorists can be emboldened by the fact that they can possibly set forth wideswept political change in the US with a well executed attack. The Feds are really in a lose / lose situation on 9/11 at this point. How we got there is becoming more irrelevant with each passing day because we come closer to the next "9/11." No we just have to actually get an independent investigation team and let them at all the files and evidence and set them loose. Like getting a leader of the team having no ties with Bush would be a good start.
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
Originally posted by Xexima just to show some people what a plane crash looks like, because apparently people dont understand.Here is wreckageand hereand hereand again, WOW, there is wreckage! Now you guys tell me, is it possible that a plane hit the pentagon?
Conveniently, all the examples shown are of planes that crashed at relatively low speed when compaired to all the planes involved in 9/11. Since you are in a condescending mood, you tell me, could velocity of impact have an effect on the dispersion of wreckage at a crash site?
So for the 3rd time I have to watch William Rodrigues talk about the explosion in the basement, which happened "a second or so before" he heard the sound of the plane impact. Lets look at this from a physics standpoint:
Speed of sound in meters / second = 331.4 + 0.6 x Tempurature in Celsius
Temperature at 9am in NYC on 9/11 = 65 F = 18.33 C
Speed of sound on 9/11 = 342.58 m/s = 1123.96 ft/s
Height of North Tower = 1368 ft
Number of Floors = 110, Height of top floor = 1348 ft
Point of impact of Flt 11 was between floor 93 and 99, at approximately 0.87 height of the tower = 1190 ft
Time for the sound of the impact to travel through air (not a building)to ground level (not the basement)= 1.058 seconds
Velocity of Detonation (aka speed of the shockwave as defined by Chapman-Jouguet condition) = 1800 to 3000 m/s for low grade (AVgas) explosions [5850 to 9750 ft/s]
Time for the explosive shockwave to hit the ground level = between 0.2034 and 0.1221 seconds
Time difference at ground level (not the sublevels where Rodrigues was sitting in a room) between explosive shockwave and the sound of the plane hitting = 1.058 minus (0.2034 or 0.1221) = slightly less than 1 second.
Is it possible that William Rodrigues was hearing the same explosion at different times due to mere physics?
Originally posted by AlexAmore Now check this crater out that this 757 created. notice there is no fire damage to rim.
Conclusion: Official story is bogus.
I don't know if the plane was shot down or if it ever crashed. I can tell you that a 757 is not there. I think this crater could easily been done by a missle and that would explain it better.
Btw what do you think of that raging inferno resistant woman in the hole in WTC?
Um, the only problem with the "no plane theories" is that they leave only one explaination: the government hijacked the planes and "disposed" of them and their passengers. Literally everything at the Pennsylvania and Pentagon crash sites had to be fabricated within a matter of minutes or at most hours. Pictures are not worth a thousand words in this instance.
Let me just toss out one more bit for you AlexAmore: Envision individuals within America so resentful of an organization that they would stop at nothing to discredit that organization. Given enough time and some money, do you think they could fabricate false video and pictures in order to support their claim? Also, when you envisioned the resentful individuals, did you see GW Bush, Alex Jones, the 9/11 commission, or Osama Bin Laden?
Originally posted by daeandor So for the 3rd time I have to watch William Rodrigues talk about the explosion in the basement, which happened "a second or so before" he heard the sound of the plane impact. Lets look at this from a physics standpoint:
Speed of sound in meters / second = 331.4 + 0.6 x Tempurature in Celsius Temperature at 9am in NYC on 9/11 = 65 F = 18.33 C Speed of sound on 9/11 = 342.58 m/s = 1123.96 ft/s Height of North Tower = 1368 ft Number of Floors = 110, Height of top floor = 1348 ft Point of impact of Flt 11 was between floor 93 and 99, at approximately 0.87 height of the tower = 1190 ft Time for the sound of the impact to travel through air (not a building)to ground level (not the basement)= 1.058 seconds Velocity of Detonation (aka speed of the shockwave as defined by Chapman-Jouguet condition) = 1800 to 3000 m/s for low grade (AVgas) explosions [5850 to 9750 ft/s] Time for the explosive shockwave to hit the ground level = between 0.2034 and 0.1221 seconds Time difference at ground level (not the sublevels where Rodrigues was sitting in a room) between explosive shockwave and the sound of the plane hitting = 1.058 minus (0.2034 or 0.1221) = slightly less than 1 second.
Is it possible that William Rodrigues was hearing the same explosion at different times due to mere physics?
It doesn't explain this:
"On the morning of 9/11 Rodriguez, 44, was huddled together with 14 other people in a sub level 1 basement office, preparing for a day’s work like he did every day for 20 years at the WTC. Without warning, suddenly the group felt a tremendous explosion emanating from somewhere below them in one of the five WTC sub levels.
Not only did the group hear the explosion, all 14 felt the floor tremble and saw the walls crack just seconds before the group heard another distant explosion coming from high above. Although unaware of the cause, Rodriguez later learned the second explosion, occurring seconds after the first basement blast, turned out to be the jetliner strike.
Further evidence of a tremendous basement blast came moments later when a man by the name of Felipe David, burnt on his face, arms and hands, entered the office yelling "explosion, explosion, explosion!"
David had been standing at a nearby sub level 1 freight elevator shaft when he was severely burned from fire coming up the shaft from the basement explosion." http://proliberty.com/observer/20050714.htm
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
Originally posted by daeandor Um, the only problem with the "no plane theories" is that they leave only one explaination: the government hijacked the planes and "disposed" of them and their passengers. Literally everything at the Pennsylvania and Pentagon crash sites had to be fabricated within a matter of minutes or at most hours. Pictures are not worth a thousand words in this instance.
Well I don't see a plane for one so for some wierd reason I feel like taking my own word over the government who can't prove anything regarding flight 93.
Yes, I feel if everything was disintegrated then the place must have been fabricated with the paper and IDs and and stuff.
Well the pictures are worth a thousand words in this case because thats what we used to discredit the official story. If we can atleast prove the government lied without knowing what happened exactly then we can know they have gone too far. We shouldn't be lied to. Let me just toss out one more bit for you AlexAmore: Envision individuals within America so resentful of an organization that they would stop at nothing to discredit that organization. Given enough time and some money, do you think they could fabricate false video and pictures in order to support their claim? Also, when you envisioned the resentful individuals, did you see GW Bush,
Yes I see Bush, it took ages...AGES to get footage out of them for the Pentagon crash. They had enough time and money to do whatever they want to the footage and aswell for all the other footage they have to this day.
Alex Jones,
I suppose Alex Jones could fabricate images and footage. He mostly gets his footage and photos from media (internet, tv,..ect). I guess He could do whatever he wanted (mess with it) and then put it on a documentary. Problem with that is I haven't seen anyone call him out for it. I'm sure there are people (resentful of him) who constantly watch every move Alex makes on is website and videos and everything.
the 9/11 commission, or Osama Bin Laden? Both are from the Government and so they go up with Bush. Commission is obvious and all our messages from Osama go through CIA first...or they originate from the CIA....
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
Originally posted by AlexAmore It doesn't explain this:
"On the morning of 9/11 Rodriguez, 44, was huddled together with 14 other people in a sub level 1 basement office, preparing for a day’s work like he did every day for 20 years at the WTC. Without warning, suddenly the group felt a tremendous explosion emanating from somewhere below them in one of the five WTC sub levels. Not only did the group hear the explosion, all 14 felt the floor tremble and saw the walls crack just seconds before the group heard another distant explosion coming from high above. Although unaware of the cause, Rodriguez later learned the second explosion, occurring seconds after the first basement blast, turned out to be the jetliner strike. Further evidence of a tremendous basement blast came moments later when a man by the name of Felipe David, burnt on his face, arms and hands, entered the office yelling "explosion, explosion, explosion!" David had been standing at a nearby sub level 1 freight elevator shaft when he was severely burned from fire coming up the shaft from the basement explosion." http://proliberty.com/observer/20050714.htm
Go take some physics classes and get back to me on this claim... a shockwave travelling at around 6000 ft/sec explains a basement "blast" quite easily.
Originally posted by AlexAmore David had been standing at a nearby sub level 1 freight elevator shaft when he was severely burned from fire coming up the shaft from the basement explosion."
This is the most misleading sentence in the whole document. For some reason, they are not willing to accept the fact that explosive shockwaves travel at 4-10 times the speed of sound and it is well within the realms of science for the burn to have come from the 93-99th floors and not some unexplained additional explosive device in the basement.
NEW ZOGBY POLL REVEALS OVER 70 MILLION VOTING AGE AMERICANS DISTRUST OFFICIAL 9/11 STORY AND SUPPORT NEW INVESTIGATION OF POSSIBLE US GOVERNMENT ROLE IN THE ATTACKS.*
- 911Truth.org urges 2006 reform candidates to recognize a powerful new constituency.
(Utica, NY) - Although the Bush administration continues to exploit September 11 to justify domestic spying, unprecedented spending and a permanent state of war, a new Zogby poll reveals that less than half of the American public trusts the official 9/11 story or believes the attacks were adequately investigated.
The poll is the first scientific survey of Americans' belief in a 9/11 cover up or the need to investigate possible US government complicity, and was commissioned to inform deliberations at the June 2-4 "9/11: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future" conference in Chicago. Poll results indicate 42% believe there has indeed been a cover up (with 10% unsure) and 45% think "Congress or an International Tribunal should re-investigate the attacks, including whether any US government officials consciously allowed or helped facilitate their success" (with 8% unsure). The poll of American residents was conducted from Friday, May 12 through Tuesday, May 16, 2006. Overall results have a margin of sampling error of +/- 2.9. All inquiries about questions, responses and demographics should be directed to Zogby International.
According to Janice Matthews, executive director of 911truth.org, "To those who have followed the mounting evidence for US government involvement in 9/11, these results are both heartening and frankly quite amazing, given the mainstream media's ongoing refusal to cover the most critical questions of that day. Our August 2004 Zogby poll of New Yorkers showed nearly half believe certain US officials 'consciously' allowed the attacks to happen and 66% want a fresh investigation, but these were people closest to the tragedy and most familiar with facts refuting the official account. This revelation that so many millions nationwide now also recognize a 9/11 cover up and the need for a new inquiry should be a wake up call for all 2006 political candidates hoping to turn this country around. We think it also indicates Americans are awakening to the larger pattern of deceit that led us into Constitutional twilight and endless war, and that our independent media may have finally come of age."
Poll co-author, W. David Kubiak concurs, saying: "Despite years of relentless media promotion, whitewash and 9/11 Commission propaganda, the official 9/11 story still can't even muster 50% popular support. Since this myth has been the administration's primary source of political and war-making power, this level of distrust has revolutionary implications for everyone working for peace, justice and civil liberties. If we ever hope to reclaim this country, end aggression and restore international respect, we all must finally scrutinize that day when things started to go so terribly wrong. The media and movement leaders ignore this call at their peril, because tens of millions are clearly telling us here they are ready for 9/11 truth."
SCOPE: The poll covered five related areas: 1) Iraq - do Americans think the Bush administration exploited 9/11 to attack Iraq? (44% do, 44% don't); 2) Cover up - did the government and its 9/11 Commission conceal or refuse to investigate evidence that contradicts their official story? (only 48% said no); 3) The collapse of WTC 7, which was not even mentioned by the 9/11 Commission and has seldom been reported in the media---were respondents aware of this collapse and, if so, did they think it should be investigated (only 52% knew about it, but over 70% of this group believe it should have been investigated); 4) new investigation of official complicity - do respondents think we need one? (only 48% said no); and 5) mass media - how do people rate its performance, including its coverage of alternative 9/11 theories, unanswered questions and inquiry issues? (43% rate it positively, 55% negatively).
(The poll sponsors see knowledge of the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 as a bellwether issue, because if people do not know this elementary fact, they have probably not been exposed to any independent 9/11 research at all. Since only 52% of respondents had ever heard of this collapse and 45% support a reinvestigation, it may be reasonably inferred that a public fully informed of all the unreported 9/11 facts might support a new investigation by a margin of 80% or more.)
SPONSOR: 911truth.org is a coalition of researchers, journalists and victim family members working to expose and answer the hundreds of still unresolved questions concerning 9/11, especially the nearly 400 questions that the Family Steering Committee filed with the 9/11 Commission. Initially welcomed by the commissioners as their "road map," these queries cut to the heart of 9/11 crimes and accountability, specifically raising the central issues of motive, means and cui bono (who profited?). The Commission ultimately ignored 80% of these issues, however, opting only to explore system failures, miscommunications and incompetence. The victim families' most incisive questions remain unaddressed to this day.
I too would like to see a decent investigation of the events of 9/11. Sadly, I have trouble determining if there is an organization that could be brought together with the access and expertise that wouldn't have motive to swing the findings in one way or another. What amazes me most is that 45% of those polled would accept an international tribunal as a "non-biased" alternative to the commission report. I find that incredibly niave. Just like the JFK assassination theories, I don't expect 9/11 to ever be completely put to rest.
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Ya know, by saying that you're bashing many families on that day who lost loved ones and many military vets and active.
I'm not bashing anyone who died on 9/11, I dont know where you got that. But anyone who thinks that the President of the United States would be behind something like that is just plain naiive.
Wow...just beautiful reading comprehension you have there. Now I know why you're so smart. Read what I said again. I said the family's of lost ones not the dead. You said the family's who believed in the cover up are morons. Remember you said "you and everyone else"
If you want to know who you are naiive to, it is the "Left." Its the left that will do anything to slander the George Bush/the Bush administration, and it is the naiive people such as yourself and others who believe them. You guys need to realize that most things you hear and read in the mainstream media is influenced by the left in one way or the other, and at this point and time, is aimed at destroyed one man: George W. Bush/his administration.
Actually most of the stuff in the mainstream is a load of BS. I don't listen to any of it. You may think they are bashing Bush but in reality they aren't asking the tough questions or bringing up the tough topics.
No I dont think he is the greatest president ever, but I do realize the hatred people have for him, and the stories they can come up with to try to ruin him are all too obvious. You know who is probably corrupt is your quoted congresswoman and former FBI investigator.
Ouch, compelling argument you have there.
LOL that video is so full of crap its not even funny. "14 fighter jets left to protect the entire US." HAHA, there are more than that on Pope AFB, NC where I am stationed. That ignorant statement alone is enough to throw out this entire "documentary." And by the way since you believe this video, why dont you check out the new video of a LARGE PASENGER PLANE hitting the pentagon that was released recently. It didnt look like a cruise missile to me
Is there an even newer one? If it looked like a plane at all then it looked like an F-16 or something of that sort. We aren't really even talking about the documentary so much as we are talking about just 9/11. They are coming out with Loose Change 3rd edition and they will be adding and fixing stuff on the 2nd. How many aircraft were guarding America? This guy says 14 COLONEL ROBERT MARR, US AIR FORCE - Go down to 03:50:28 in the interview. How many aircraft do you think we had on guard?
If you think we are so protected how does 1 hour after NORAD knew of the first hijacking a plane crashes into our national security HQ (Pentagon), right in Washington DC..which is really protected specially when our nation is under attack....duh.
I give the creators of that so-called "documentary" credit. It only took them 4 years to come up with one of the most BS videos ever created. Grats.
It only took the Pentagon 4-5 years to release some new BS footage of the Pentagon getting hit which nothing can be concluded from. If they were serious about releasing something they might want to release the other 60-80 video tapes of the crash. Something smells fishy?
And I am willing to bet the most you have investigated this matter are the left-side wacko blog sites. Why am I willing to bet this?? Because its pretty obvious you are reading the left's rhetoric when you attack Fox News, lol. I wouldnt doubt you beieve Fahrenheit 9/11 was all true too. I feel sorry for our county now. It seems all the young people are getting drawn into believing whatever they see or read.
Where do you get your reliable news/info? I attacked Fox because it's so obvious they are working for the white house.
I knew I shouldnt have tried to read any off-topic posts on this site. I will stick to talking about games.
Nice job debunking my posts, I should try name calling next time.
You can say moron all you want but you aren't debunking my posts and so you got nothing.
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
I'm not bashing anyone who died on 9/11, I dont know where you got that. But anyone who thinks that the President of the United States would be behind something like that is just plain naiive. If you want to know who you are naiive to, it is the "Left." Its the left that will do anything to slander the George Bush/the Bush administration, and it is the naiive people such as yourself and others who believe them. You guys need to realize that most things you hear and read in the mainstream media is influenced by the left in one way or the other, and at this point and time, is aimed at destroyed one man: George W. Bush/his administration. No I dont think he is the greatest president ever, but I do realize the hatred people have for him, and the stories they can come up with to try to ruin him are all too obvious. You know who is probably corrupt is your quoted congresswoman and former FBI investigator.
LOL that video is so full of crap its not even funny. "14 fighter jets left to protect the entire US." HAHA, there are more than that on Pope AFB, NC where I am stationed. That ignorant statement alone is enough to throw out this entire "documentary." And by the way since you believe this video, why dont you check out the new video of a LARGE PASENGER PLANE hitting the pentagon that was released recently. It didnt look like a cruise missile to me
I give the creators of that so-called "documentary" credit. It only took them 4 years to come up with one of the most BS videos ever created. Grats.
And I am willing to bet the most you have investigated this matter are the left-side wacko blog sites. Why am I willing to bet this?? Because its pretty obvious you are reading the left's rhetoric when you attack Fox News, lol. I wouldnt doubt you beieve Fahrenheit 9/11 was all true too. I feel sorry for our county now. It seems all the young people are getting drawn into believing whatever they see or read.
I knew I shouldnt have tried to read any off-topic posts on this site. I will stick to talking about games.
hay are you stupid or wht I mean c'mon "daniale table for one" dismissing the truth is but one of many paths of distruction.http://www.mindistortion.net/iwantyoursoul/?i_am=royevans
Warning: The above message contains extreme sarcasm.oderint dum metuant
well, i dont think that anyone with the iq of less than 90 should be aloud to run for president.
If you dislike this thread, than just dont read it. ... proves how intelligent you are.
One of our biggest failings as a country, regardless of which theory you support, is arrogance. If you watch the videos online that different terrorist organizations put out, one of the first things they say is how arrogant we [westerners and particularly the US] are. The fact that we have grown to have large groups of Westerners that believe that no terrorist could possibly pull off an attack of such magnitude is perfect example of the arrogance the terrorists accuse us of.
Here lies the greatest catch 22, if we take the "US government did it theory" as a serious possibility, then we have to focus investigative and intelligence assets on determining that "truth." However, in doing so we have reduced our effectiveness against the terrorists, which, regardless of whether they committed the acts on 9/11, desperately want to repeat or surpass the devestation of 9/11 now or in the near future. Not only that, but terrorists can be emboldened by the fact that they can possibly set forth wideswept political change in the US with a well executed attack. The Feds are really in a lose / lose situation on 9/11 at this point. How we got there is becoming more irrelevant with each passing day because we come closer to the next "9/11."
Look you weren't there, witnesses were and they said no evidence of a plane. I can't believe I have to repeat this.
If you looked at the pictures and didn't know what exactly it was supposed to be....would you think landfill or a 757 CRASHED!!!
Do you see a 757 in there? Can you prove a 757? Are you calling those eyewitnesses in the interviews BS?
Have you seen other airplane crashes before (hint: they leave plenty of evidence of the crash, you can still see the plane).
A Boeing 757 holds over 11,000 gallons of jet fuel. Flight 93 was said to have crash still "heavily laden" with jet fuel. What happened to the remaining thousands of gallons of jet fuel and why isn't there a huge fire with thick black smoke come from the crater where it supposedly crashed? But we find these little pieces of paper from a completely disintegrated 757.
Now check this crater out that this 757 created. notice there is no fire damage to rim.
Conclusion: Official story is bogus.
I don't know if the plane was shot down or if it ever crashed. I can tell you that a 757 is not there. I think this crater could easily been done by a missle and that would explain it better.
Btw what do you think of that raging inferno resistant woman in the hole in WTC?
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
just to show some people what a plane crash looks like, because apparently people dont understand.
Here is wreckage
and here
and here
and again, WOW, there is wreckage!
Hey look, NO PLANE!
Do you see any plane here? no, didnt think so. And yeah, that is the pentagon.
Now you guys tell me, is it possible that a plane hit the pentagon?
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
double post
So for the 3rd time I have to watch William Rodrigues talk about the explosion in the basement, which happened "a second or so before" he heard the sound of the plane impact. Lets look at this from a physics standpoint:
Is it possible that William Rodrigues was hearing the same explosion at different times due to mere physics?
Um, the only problem with the "no plane theories" is that they leave only one explaination: the government hijacked the planes and "disposed" of them and their passengers. Literally everything at the Pennsylvania and Pentagon crash sites had to be fabricated within a matter of minutes or at most hours. Pictures are not worth a thousand words in this instance.
Let me just toss out one more bit for you AlexAmore: Envision individuals within America so resentful of an organization that they would stop at nothing to discredit that organization. Given enough time and some money, do you think they could fabricate false video and pictures in order to support their claim? Also, when you envisioned the resentful individuals, did you see GW Bush, Alex Jones, the 9/11 commission, or Osama Bin Laden?
It doesn't explain this:
"On the morning of 9/11 Rodriguez, 44, was huddled together with 14 other people in a sub level 1 basement office, preparing for a day’s work like he did every day for 20 years at the WTC. Without warning, suddenly the group felt a tremendous explosion emanating from somewhere below them in one of the five WTC sub levels.
Not only did the group hear the explosion, all 14 felt the floor tremble and saw the walls crack just seconds before the group heard another distant explosion coming from high above. Although unaware of the cause, Rodriguez later learned the second explosion, occurring seconds after the first basement blast, turned out to be the jetliner strike.
Further evidence of a tremendous basement blast came moments later when a man by the name of Felipe David, burnt on his face, arms and hands, entered the office yelling "explosion, explosion, explosion!"
David had been standing at a nearby sub level 1 freight elevator shaft when he was severely burned from fire coming up the shaft from the basement explosion."
http://proliberty.com/observer/20050714.htm
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
-In memory of Laura "Taera" Genender. Passed away on Aug/13/08-
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RISING DRAGOON ~AION US ONLINE LEGION for Elyos
Zogby Poll Finds Over 70 Million Voting Age Americans Support New 9/11 Investigation
NEW ZOGBY POLL REVEALS OVER 70 MILLION VOTING AGE AMERICANS DISTRUST
OFFICIAL 9/11 STORY AND SUPPORT NEW INVESTIGATION OF POSSIBLE US GOVERNMENT
ROLE IN THE ATTACKS.*
- 911Truth.org urges 2006 reform candidates to recognize a powerful new constituency.
(Utica, NY) - Although the Bush administration continues to
exploit September 11 to justify domestic spying, unprecedented spending and
a permanent state of war, a new Zogby poll reveals that less than half of the
American public trusts the official 9/11 story or believes the attacks were
adequately investigated.
The poll is the first scientific survey of Americans' belief in a 9/11 cover
up or the need to investigate possible US government complicity, and was commissioned
to inform deliberations at the June 2-4 "9/11:
Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future" conference in Chicago.
Poll results indicate 42% believe there has indeed been a cover up (with 10%
unsure) and 45% think "Congress or an International Tribunal should re-investigate
the attacks, including whether any US government officials consciously allowed
or helped facilitate their success" (with 8% unsure). The poll of American
residents was conducted from Friday, May 12 through Tuesday, May 16, 2006. Overall
results have a margin of sampling error of +/- 2.9. All inquiries about questions,
responses and demographics should be directed to Zogby International.
According to Janice Matthews, executive director of 911truth.org, "To
those who have followed the mounting evidence for US government involvement
in 9/11, these results are both heartening and frankly quite amazing, given
the mainstream media's ongoing refusal to cover the most critical questions
of that day. Our August 2004 Zogby poll of New Yorkers showed nearly half believe
certain US officials 'consciously' allowed the attacks to happen and 66% want
a fresh investigation, but these were people closest to the tragedy and most
familiar with facts refuting the official account. This revelation that so many
millions nationwide now also recognize a 9/11 cover up and the need for a new
inquiry should be a wake up call for all 2006 political candidates hoping to
turn this country around. We think it also indicates Americans are awakening
to the larger pattern of deceit that led us into Constitutional twilight and
endless war, and that our independent media may have finally come of age."
Poll co-author, W. David Kubiak concurs, saying: "Despite years of relentless
media promotion, whitewash and 9/11 Commission propaganda, the official 9/11
story still can't even muster 50% popular support. Since this myth has been
the administration's primary source of political and war-making power, this
level of distrust has revolutionary implications for everyone working for peace,
justice and civil liberties. If we ever hope to reclaim this country, end aggression
and restore international respect, we all must finally scrutinize that day when
things started to go so terribly wrong. The media and movement leaders ignore
this call at their peril, because tens of millions are clearly telling us here
they are ready for 9/11 truth."
SCOPE: The poll covered five related areas: 1) Iraq - do Americans
think the Bush administration exploited 9/11 to attack Iraq? (44% do,
44% don't); 2) Cover up - did the government and its 9/11 Commission
conceal or refuse to investigate evidence that contradicts their
official story? (only 48% said no); 3) The collapse of WTC 7, which was
not even mentioned by the 9/11 Commission and has seldom been reported
in the media---were respondents aware of this collapse and, if so, did
they think it should be investigated (only 52% knew about it, but over
70% of this group believe it should have been investigated); 4) new
investigation of official complicity - do respondents think we need
one? (only 48% said no); and 5) mass media - how do people rate its
performance, including its coverage of alternative 9/11 theories,
unanswered questions and inquiry issues? (43% rate it positively, 55%
negatively).
(The poll sponsors see knowledge of the collapse of World Trade
Center Building 7 as a bellwether issue, because if people do not know
this elementary fact, they have probably not been exposed to any
independent 9/11 research at all. Since only 52% of respondents had
ever heard of this collapse and 45% support a reinvestigation, it may
be reasonably inferred that a public fully informed of all the
unreported 9/11 facts might support a new investigation by a margin of
80% or more.)
SPONSOR: 911truth.org is a coalition of researchers, journalists
and victim family members working to expose and answer the hundreds of still
unresolved questions concerning 9/11, especially the nearly 400 questions that
the Family Steering Committee filed with the 9/11 Commission. Initially welcomed
by the commissioners as their "road map," these queries cut to the
heart of 9/11 crimes and accountability, specifically raising the central issues
of motive, means and cui bono (who profited?). The Commission ultimately ignored
80% of these issues, however, opting only to explore system failures, miscommunications
and incompetence. The victim families' most incisive questions remain unaddressed
to this day.
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I too would like to see a decent investigation of the events of 9/11. Sadly, I have trouble determining if there is an organization that could be brought together with the access and expertise that wouldn't have motive to swing the findings in one way or another. What amazes me most is that 45% of those polled would accept an international tribunal as a "non-biased" alternative to the commission report. I find that incredibly niave. Just like the JFK assassination theories, I don't expect 9/11 to ever be completely put to rest.