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I'm giving Vanguard a 10
BlackWhysper
Member Posts: 113
SO far from what I have seen with all this new coverage, Vanguard is going to be GREAT! Im getting a kind of "old school" feeling for the game but at the same time its also a "next generation mmo". I really like what I see and i cant wait.
*Cheers to Sigil* 
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I dont care if you dont want to play Vanguard, im talking about why i like the game, pls post somewhere else like the SOE/Sigil thread about why you dont want to.
yeah its sad that these people can troll every single thread with their whinny i hate soe posts and the moderators do nothing.
every freaking thread has turned into a "i hate soe " thread because of these people...these forums suck so bad.
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
First gen --- 2D
Second gen --- Everything we saw so far, from EQ to WoW including auto assault and CoV, all second gen
Third gen --- I believe it when I play it! So far nothing is even close to be a 3rd gen, year of development and whatever else, don't care...to be a 3rd gen it have to be obvious, direct, not debatable...from 2D and 3D, nobody can argue, it is a change...but from 3D to 3D...well, voice over didn't make it for me, despite me thinking it would...sooooo...next gen? Prove it! I don't think even in 2010 we will have a 3rd gen, but maybe...who know? Vanguard 3rd gen? Wake up call, this is definitely a 2nd gen, not even 2.5 like some game, firmly set on 2nd gen!
10 to Vanguard? LOL...Vanguard is not deserving 10/10 nor 10/100, so you better have explain...I don't see how Vanguard can receive a 10, it is between 6 and 8 on 10, or between 60 and 80 on 100...10...LOL
Microsoft DITCH them for AoC, Microsoft may be dumb, but they won't ditch a 10/10 game, just stop day dreaming!
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Quite ironic that your forum name is 'freethinker' when you won't be playing a game because SOE is going to help Sigil publish it. If you don't know what I'm talking about then your forum name is also an oxymoron.
Rofl I love all these guys who talk about 'generations' of MMOs and don't even know what they're talkin about.
Generations in technology (take the xbox and ps3 for example) is spoken about in terms of the products used in it's development.
Vanguard is approximately the same 'generation' as WoW because it was in development before WoW came out. Some people may call it 'next-gen' which they can because Sigil has had a lot of time to incorporate current MMO standards into their game. Stargate Worlds would be 'next-gen' because it's only recently started development and they've seen what did and didn't work with games like WoW.
It's nice that someone's gonna give Vanguard a 10 for hype, but the next person is just gonna give it a 10 because they hate WoW, and someone's gonna give it a 1 because they hate SoE, so hype doesn't matter a whole lot (nor do the game ratings honestly).
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
Technology is irrelevant if player can't feel the difference.
WoW and EQ and Vanguard are all the same gen!
Make it feel different or else face the fact I will disagree.
UO = first gen
EQ, WoW, Vanguard, CoV, AA, GW = 2nd gen
I dont think a 3rd generation is currently been developped...and I am speaking from a PLAYER point of view. If some devs are drooling over technologies and stuff, can't care less...I, from a PLAYER point of view, have to see the difference! Smoother graphics could or not justify a generation change, but the graphics between let's say: EQ and EQ2 are not justifying a generation change. Too close.
Keep it simple as they say.
I see 2 gens in MMO. UOish and EQish. Peoples seeing more than 2 generations are not considering it from a PLAYER point of view, but from a dev point of view...tooo complex for no good reasons!
As a BioWare fanboi I am looking forward whatever they are producing...but I would be extremely suprised if this is a new gen! And guess what, BioWare is not trying to feed me with crap about a new gen...in fact...they are not feeding me enough about anything, they are busy building the best MMO ever...2nd gen is fine...as long as it rock and is the best!
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
it all depends on how you look at it, alot of people don't see vanguard as 3rd generation, and thats fine. i don't really care either way, but i will say that, if vanguard pulls off what they are talking about and there is indeed like 45,000 craft-able items and flying mounted combat (especially if it is pvp enabled muahaha) i will be really freaking stoked.
and if people want to call in 2sd generation or if they want to call it 3rd generation, let them....it really makes no difference because either way, if they pull it off its going to be highly popular and just kick ass lol
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
Well, no, not really. You are right on one point that Anofayle is wrong on. MS did not ditch Vanguard; that is a claim to justify the doubters hatred on the game now, it is recognisable of a lak of thought.
What is widely regarded to be not too far from the truth is that MS were putting so much attention in to the X-Box 360 that Vanguard was not getting the attention it deservered. Whether or not MS were harrying Sigil to release is debateable and may have some bearing but, in a nutshell, Sigil just saw the orppurtunity to raise the capital and buy VG for themselves. All they needed was a semi-partner to do the grunt work...bring in SOE.
Who is to say MS would not have sold if they saw a hit. They have still made royalties and they are not spending money on developing the game now. Most importantly they are now free to put all they have into marketing the X-Box 360 when it becomes in competition with the Playstation 3.
I am sure Sigil payed enough for it.
Of course we could debate this until the cows come home. Nobody will know the truth unless Sigil, MS and SOE told us; and they won't. Essentially, however, there is no reason to say that Vanguard must be bad for MS to accept losing the rights.
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Quite ironic that your forum name is 'freethinker' when you won't be playing a game because SOE is going to help Sigil publish it. If you don't know what I'm talking about then your forum name is also an oxymoron.
Hehehe you had me cracking up with that comment...
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The game is looking very good, i dropped my hype just because i felt there was a lot of ballshit going on, but at the end of the day if they make a good game i really don't care, i'm puting my hype back up for the sole reason that the game deserves it, everyone gave sigil a little lesson and now it's time to give/take away hype for the right reasons, the quality of the game....
i play games to have fun not becouse of any dogma or becouse somebody say its 1st 2nd or 3rd gen.
this game looks promising and my ratings would be
10/10 for the dev team
08/10 for the state of the game, how they developed in the last year
all other upcoming MMOs are between 4 and 6 out of 10
and to all haters, simply go to another game and have fun, nobody force you to buy this game ^^
Quite ironic that your forum name is 'freethinker' when you won't be playing a game because SOE is going to help Sigil publish it. If you don't know what I'm talking about then your forum name is also an oxymoron.
Hehehe you had me cracking up with that comment...
omg.. he like pwned him in his face
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a robot foot stomping on a human face -- forever."
I hope your hope wont get disappointed, really.
So far, the beta isnt looking that way and all can just hope, Sigil/SoE wont release it unfinished - something SoE is famous for, unfortunatly...
I will not say anything about Sigil/SoE here in your thread because you just posted about the very game and what you think of it.
I once thought the same of Vanguard, i really did.
But the last weeks (beta testing and SoE/Sigil announcements) were ...."disturbing" to me.
So whats left to me personally?
That i hope Vanguard turns out fine at the end and SoE is really not envolving in a harming way.
But as a SoE customer since SWG start - this "hope" feels more like a bubble, ready to blow
I hope i am wrong at the end.
Claude
I hope your hope wont get disappointed, really.
So far, the beta isnt looking that way and all can just hope, Sigil/SoE wont release it unfinished - something SoE is famous for, unfortunatly...
Yeah, well SOE aren't releasing the game are they? Sigil are. So there is nothing to worry about.
That has been said a dozen times before, you would have thought that people would understand it by now.
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Holifeet, are you really that naiv ?
This is a serious question, are you ?
Claude
Holifeet, are you really that naiv ?
This is a serious question, are you ?
I am not naive at all. Why are you so untrustworthy is the more applicable question? Okay so you don't like or want to believe SOE, but why Sigil?
Exactly what has been said that makes you think that this must be some elaborate plan to rob us of our money and make a second rate game?
My guess is that it is called paranoia.
What would make you realise, and believe, that SOE are not now making Vanguard? When the game comes out and you see that they aren't will you say you were wrong? Will you say you were wrong in three years when Sigil still own Vanguard? Will you sit there believing that Vanguard is a damn fine game but won't play it because you still believe that the evil eye of SOE is directing from behind the curtain? My guess is you will play and then pretend there was never any worries.
Oh, and if I am naive because I trust Sigil, then that means there are perhaps another 50,000 naive souls out there.
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[quote]Originally posted by holifeet
I am not naive at all. Why are you so untrustworthy is the more applicable question? Okay so you don't like or want to believe SOE, but why Sigil?Exactly what has been said that makes you think that this must be some elaborate plan to rob us of our money and make a second rate game?My guess is that it is called paranoia. What would make you realise, and believe, that SOE are not now making Vanguard? When the game comes out and you see that they aren't will you say you were wrong? Will you say you were wrong in three years when Sigil still own Vanguard? Will you sit there believing that Vanguard is a damn fine game but won't play it because you still believe that the evil eye of SOE is directing from behind the curtain? My guess is you will play and then pretend there was never any worries.Oh, and if I am naive because I trust Sigil, then that means there are perhaps another 50,000 naive souls out there.[/b][/quote]
I do know that SoE is not "making" Vanguard.
The problem, what you dont understand is, that it is not IMPORTANT who is "making" a game.
When it is released, the operation of the game becomes the most important part.
You will know what i mean when you actually would TRY to look behind the edge of your plate, young Jedi.
See how many good games out there, good in planning, good in coding, good in their very basic idea - but horrible sucked and became a burden due to the way the game was operated.
You know, i work in "what i do" since 27 years. If there is one thing YOU should start to see, then it is to face the fact, that the operation of a SERVICE is at least the half rent. The very coding (aka Idea) of the product/service is just the other half.
You see, the way you complain about the SoE-haters and their bitching is a 100% boomerang for you:
Every single argument you used so far is the very same valid for/to you:
Assumption, guess, hopes - or is Vanguard already released so you know better ?
Dont think so....
So far we have this:
Your hope and assumptions - on the other hand about 300.000 disappointed SoE customers coming from like 2-5 Products, talking out of experience.
So what do you think your "Don Quichotte for Sigil-PR tour" means to me (and others) ?
Claude
You seem to have grasped that SOE are not making Vanguard. Have you yet grasped that SOE are not running Vanguard, because that is where your assumptions seem to lie?
SOE are covering three areas:
1. They will promote the game under instruction from Sigil. That means advertisement etc.
2. They will distribute the game. That means getting the copies made and sent out to retailers.
3. They will provide the sever hosting for Vanguard and some of the technical support for their servers. That means they have a server location that Sigil will use to provide a home for the game. It will be Sigil that patch the game, upgrade the game, continue to work on the game development and provide customer service.
Operation of Vanguard will be a very important aspect once the game is released. You just seem to be under the misassumption that it will be SOE handling that side of the game. It won't. SOE have about as much to do with running Vanguard as the president of Burma has to do with taxation policies in Oklahoma.
If you continue to proclaim your distaste for vanguard due to the way it is to be operated then you are not unhappy with SOE but Sigil.
That is the only simple point you need to understand in this deal. Everything else you have stated, and so unreliably trust to be important, is a side issue. the only thing that matters is the ins and outs of the deal. Seeing as how you are blatantly unable to understand the ins and outs of the deal I feel the need to ram the issue down your throat.
All the time you come here spouting crap, about how SOE will ruin this game because they have all this control over its development, anyone unfamiliar with the game and its development could, possibly, believe what you say and make a judgement on your words. They would have been wrongly informed and would hence make a bad choice.
Are we clear on the situation now? I await your next anecdote with interest.
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