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911 Conspiracy Theories About to be Jammed!!

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  • AzathothAzathoth Member Posts: 357
    Now, a conspiracy theorist would also point out the "plume" of smoke near the wall, in the first still, before the "plane" was even close to the wall.

    I would say to them, however, that the video is piss-poor, and should not, and cannot be relied upon.



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  • AzathothAzathoth Member Posts: 357
    Well, wait.  Although I do agree with you, Razor (concerning the footage)... That was not the front of the Pentagon.  The actual front of the Pentagon is to the left of that camera footage.






    Cartman has a big fat ass!

  • PhoenixsPhoenixs Member Posts: 2,646


    Originally posted by Jazia

    Yeah people don't realize, a 757 would have almost the same height as the Pentagon which is like 5 floors.


    I think it's you that doesn't realize that your sence of scale seem to be way off. A Boing 757 with the landing gear down standing on a airport, would be high as 3 floors in Pentagon. Certainly not higher than 4 floors. On this video we are talking about a 757 crashing in the distance.

    If you claim that it's not a plane, because it's to small, it's certainly not a missile.My assumptions are that the explosion is 50-80 m away from the camera. That means if it's a missile 50-80 m away from the camera, it's one hell of a thick missile. Or if it is a missile we see on that video that missile must pass the camera under 10-15 m away, but it explodes 50-80 m away from it? How is that possible? It makes a giant inflight turn? I don't think so.
  • JaziaJazia Member Posts: 584


    Originally posted by Phoenixs
    I missile isn't 3 m thick.

    My assumptions are that the explosion is 70-100 m away from the camera. That means if it is a missile we see on that video that missile must pass the camera under 10-20 m away, but it explodes 70-100 m away from it? How is that possible? It makes a giant inflight turn? I don't think so.



    A cruise missle has that kind of size. Don't stuck your mind on tiny air to air missles.

    The rest part of your post does not even make any sense.

  • PhoenixsPhoenixs Member Posts: 2,646

    I was editing my post while you replied. So take a look at it again. It can't be a missile, not even a cruise missile. It just get's totally wrong with the scale. And if it's a cruise missile, why has noone reported a cruise missile launching from military bases or submarines? Or reported something like flying through the air?


  • JaziaJazia Member Posts: 584

    I guess you haven't seen the missles that require to be carried by huge trucks, and only 1 missle per truck.


    Lets first assume the pentagon video is not fake,
    The size of the flying object in the video is something like only 1 floor high. It was definately not a 757 which should be 3~4 floors high. On the other hand, a cruise missle DOES have that kind of size.

    And if you actually saw the damage on the building right after the hit, it was a small round hole. The damage looked a lot bigger AFTER the fire made one more floor collapsed. No way a 3~4 floor high 757 with huge wings can disappeared into that one round hole. Again, a cruise missle can!


    No wonder how we look at it, if the wings of the 757 got into the building along with the plane, we should have seen the marks of the wings on the wall. If the wings were no match for the wall, then we should see the wings on the ground outside the building somewhere. There was no marks from wings, nor wings exist anywhere. Not to mention the tiny single engine they found, it was as high as half of a human. NO WAY it was the 757's engine. And yes, "NO WAY" was said by the manufacturer when that single engine was shown to them. Then again, a cruise missle has that kind of engine size.


    Also that single tiny engine they found is pretty much the only thing left of the so called 757. Ask yourself this, which plane crash did not have a fire? And which plane crash had everything burned into nothing afterwards?
    Maybe you are confused, I'll answer for you. Every plane crash had a huge fire because of the fuel, and the fire will last as long as there is still fuel left. And more important, every single plane crash had the clear left over of a plane. In most cases, you can tell that was a plane afterwards.

  • PhoenixsPhoenixs Member Posts: 2,646
    Yes I have seen them. That is why I asked why there are no reports of a missile like that being launched or flying through the air. They are usually fired from ground station, mobile station (the truck you talked about), submarines and ships. Why are there no reports of missiles like this being fired and flying? Since I think it's fairly to assume they didn't put a mobile station 200 m from Pentagon and fired it from there.

    Did you read my other post? A Boeing 757 would be 3 floors high with the landing gear out standing on the ground. Overall height: 13.56 m. In the video we are talking about a plane hitting the ground and crashing into a building. That means that you can removie landing gear and other things except the main body from the heigh calculation. It's the height of the fuselage that is important here. The fuselage is certainly not 3-4 floors high

    Regarding the crash site. It's hard for any of us the make any proper judgement on this. We weren't there and we have only seen images from either the goverment or the conspiracy folks. I doubt that any of either sides are correct. Also there are no images from inside the Pentagon, maybe there could have been wreckage inside the building?

    But I'm not so sure if we should have seen the wings. Since it's the wings that carry all the fuel. That means that when the fuel explodes, it's fair to assume that they would be taking the most damage.




  • AldaronAldaron Member Posts: 1,048
    Too small, too precise, too clean. No way in the nine hells of dante's inferno was that some boeing 747.

    "Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."

  • JaziaJazia Member Posts: 584


    Originally posted by Phoenixs
    Yes I have seen them. That is why I asked why there are no reports of a missile like that being launched or flying through the air. They are usually fired from ground station, mobile station (the truck you talked about), submarines and ships. Why are there no reports of missiles like this being fired and flying? Since I think it's fairly to assume they didn't put a mobile station 200 m from Pentagon and fired it from there.Did you read my other post? A Boeing 757 would be 3 floors high with the landing gear out standing on the ground. Overall height: 13.56 m. In the video we are talking about a plane hitting the ground and crashing into a building. That means that you can removie landing gear and other things except the main body from the heigh calculation. It's the height of the fuselage that is important here. The fuselage is certainly not 3-4 floors high imageRegarding the crash site. It's hard for any of us the make any proper judgement on this. We weren't there and we have only seen images from either the goverment or the conspiracy folks. I doubt that any of either sides are correct. Also there are no images from inside the Pentagon, maybe there could have been wreckage inside the building?But I'm not so sure if we should have seen the wings. Since it's the wings that carry all the fuel. That means that when the fuel explodes, it's fair to assume that they would be taking the most damage.


    1. Lets assume the missle was fired from the ground level(it can be fired from a bomber in the air too!)

    I don't think it is hard to ship a cruise missle INSIDE a truck, then hide it somewhere until secretly launch from a hiden place. DC isn't a crowd place even in many parts of the downtown. Never mind if they launch from a farm or anywhere there is nobody.

    Well like I said, it can be launched from a bomber if they want to.
    btw, the range of cruise missle allow it to be fired from hundreds miles away.

    "no reports of missle being fired"? I am sure if the government did not tell you, you wouldn't even know there were nuclear weapon tests.


    2. Now you claim the plane hit the ground first then crashed into Pentagon. So why there wasn't any mark on the ground? It was perfectly fine. And you said other stuff were gone execpt the main part crashed into the Pentagon. Then shouldn't they be on the ground in front of the Pentagon? Where were they? Someone ate them? How in the hell that tiny half man tall 2~3 feet single engine is 757's HUGE engine? 757 has 2 huge engines the size of 9 feet.

  • JaziaJazia Member Posts: 584

    Compare the size of the real 757's engineS to the single tiny engine found at the Pentagon in the video of "Flight 77"

    http://www.hugequestions.com/

  • PhoenixsPhoenixs Member Posts: 2,646


    Originally posted by Aldaron
    Too small, too precise, too clean. No way in the nine hells of dante's inferno was that some boeing 747.

    We aren't exactly talking about a 747 here. We are talking about a 757 and the is quite a difference in since between those two. And you must remember that the crash is quite far away from the security camera.

    Jazia.

    I don't think you would be able to launch it from a truck near Pentagon. Just look at a couple of pictures  of cruise missiles lauching.



    http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/ugm-109.jpg



    http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/cruise-missile-launch-water.jpg



    http://www.defense-update.com/images/brahMos9-11.jpg

    You wouldn't be able to launch anything like that from within a city. With noone noticing. So if it was a missile it must have come from further away. Why has noone seen it travel through the air? Why has no airtraffic control snapped up something of that? Why have no other planes reported something on their radar?
    Also like you see on the pictures. The missiles are launched straight into the air. They also hit from high above, not along the ground. I have never heard about cruise missiles launched from aircrafts, nor seen any pictures.

    If you look at the crash site pictures. It looks like there is no grass anywhere near the crash site. I'm not sure about this, but I got the impression there where building work going on around the Pentagon at that time. Like laying new pavement or something like that. Making a new parking spot etc.

    http://www.defenselink.mil/photos/Sep2001/010914-F-8006R-002.jpg

    http://www.defence.gov.au/news/armynews/editions/1036/images/US.jpg

    http://www.hollandsentinel.com/images/090802/Pentagon2.jpg

    So there could have been signs of the plane in the sand. Also the plane doesn't have to touch the ground before it hits the building.



  • JaziaJazia Member Posts: 584

    Who said it has to be launched NEAR Pentagon?


    Last time I checked, they did not drive the truck to in front of the targets in Iraq in order to launch the cruise missles. ALL cruise missles were launched from hundreds miles away! And they always fly parallel to the ground level at VERT low height, which is why they are SO HARD to be detected!!!

  • PhoenixsPhoenixs Member Posts: 2,646


    Originally posted by Jazia

    Who said it has to be launched NEAR Pentagon?

    Last time I checked, they did not drive the truck to in front of the targets in Iraq in order to launch the cruise missles. ALL cruise missles were launched from hundreds miles away!


    You said: "I don't think it is hard to ship a cruise missle INSIDE a truck, then
    hide it somewhere until secretly launch from a hiden place. DC isn't a
    crowd place even in many parts of the downtown."

    For a cruise missile everything within DC would be near pentagon. Cruise missiles are controlled by computers and they are in no way able to navigate along the ground. They wouldn't know where buildings etc are. So they hit from above. I'm not talking about 90 degress from above, but certainly not along the ground. If a missile hit the building I would have assumed it would have come in a 50-60 degree angle into the security camera movie.


  • JaziaJazia Member Posts: 584

    You claim it was fired NEAR Pentagon by saying nobody there saw it was fired. So I gave you the possibilty that it can be done too. THen you say it is a bad idea to be fired near Pentagon, so I gave you a fact the range of the cruise missles are hundreds miles!

    I don't think you get it. We are still in the same circle over and over.

    Yes you can control the cruise missles from a fair distance. And yes there were people claim saw 2 military planes in the air before the hit. So either way, they can be controlled from pretty far away, or being controlled by one of those 2 military planes that were spotted near Pentagon before the hit.

  • PhoenixsPhoenixs Member Posts: 2,646


    Originally posted by Jazia

    You claim it was fired NEAR Pentagon by saying nobody there saw it was fired. So I gave you the possibilty that it can be done too. THen you say it is a bad idea to be fired near Pentagon, so I gave you a fact the range of the cruise missles are hundreds miles!


    I said "Since I think it's fairly to assume they didn't put a mobile station 200 m from Pentagon and fired it from there."

    I have always said the range of cruise missiles are hundreds of miles. I never posted anything that would say otherwise.
  • lardmouthlardmouth Member Posts: 701


    Originally posted by Jazia

    Compare the size of the real 757's engineS to the single tiny engine found at the Pentagon in the video of "Flight 77"
    http://www.hugequestions.com/


    I know I said I wouldn't do this, but I gotta correct this.  There was no engine photographed in the pentagon debris.   None.   There was an engine PART photographed.  Only a part of the compressor.  Please refer to my pdf link to see photos of this part as part of the compressor.  Been awhile since I looked at it, but I believe it's the rotor hub part of the compressor.  Oh, and note while looking at the link how loose change got the engine type wrong on that model of the 757.
  • JaziaJazia Member Posts: 584

    lol "compressor". Shouldn't the compressor has the same size of how tall the engine is? Don't you see it was the full size of a damaged engine? It wasn't broken into pieces, nor it would shrink like cooked meat. a 757's engine would be 9 feet tall. So the compressor of it is just that big to fit it. If by any chance that small tiny 3-foot engine was only a part of the 757 engine, it shouldn't even be round any more...So you are saying a 3-foot compressor is used in a 9-foot engine and fit perfectly.

  • lardmouthlardmouth Member Posts: 701
    What the heck are you talking about?  You claimed there was only a small engine found.  I pointed out that no engine was found.  Only part of an engine.  I have provided a link multiple times that contains the photographed part at the pentagon and photo of the part still connected to the compressor.
  • lardmouthlardmouth Member Posts: 701
    And yes, the link I've provided does show "before photos"  of this part still connected to the compressor.  Yes, it's merely A PART of the engine.
  • lardmouthlardmouth Member Posts: 701


    Originally posted by Jazia

    lol "compressor". Shouldn't the compressor has the same size of how tall the engine is? Don't you see it was the full size of a damaged engine? It wasn't broken into pieces, nor it would shrink like cooked meat. a 757's engine would be 9 feet tall. So the compressor of it is just that big to fit it. If by any chance that small tiny 3-foot engine was only a part of the 757 engine, it shouldn't even be round any more...So you are saying a 3-foot compressor is used in a 9-foot engine and fit perfectly.


    It's not THE compressor, its a part of it.....Review the link I provided, the pdf, to see photos of it still on the compressor.
  • JaziaJazia Member Posts: 584

    There was a photo of 2 men standing in front of a small tiny engine. Can't find it else where atm, but Just check out the videos in this link again under flight 77

    http://www.hugequestions.com/


  • JaziaJazia Member Posts: 584


    Originally posted by lardmouth

    It's not THE compressor, its a part of it.....



    I found a wheel of half foot high, it must be from a HUGE truck. because "it is not THE wheel, its a part of it....."

    ....

    that thing whatever you call it, it obivously show the size of whatever engine it was in. It was NOT broken in the way that you can't tell the shape of it. It was WHOLE!


  • lardmouthlardmouth Member Posts: 701


    Originally posted by Jazia

    There was a photo of 2 men standing in front of a small tiny engine. Can't find it else where atm, but Just check out the videos in this link again under flight 77
    http://www.hugequestions.com/



    I think we're speaking of the same photo.  And that's not an entire engine, nor and entire compressor.  It's part of the compressor.   Again, merely look at the pdf to see the actual part, and the part while still attached to the compressor for comparison.
  • PhoenixsPhoenixs Member Posts: 2,646
    The only ones claiming that that little part is a engine are the conspiracy folks. I haven't seen anyone from the goverment claiming it's a engine. Or did I miss something? If I did pls give me a link.

  • lardmouthlardmouth Member Posts: 701


    Originally posted by Jazia


    Originally posted by lardmouth

    It's not THE compressor, its a part of it.....


    I found a wheel of half foot high, it must be from a HUGE truck. because "it is not THE wheel, its a part of it....."

    ....

    that thing whatever you call it, it obivously show the size of whatever engine it was in. It was NOT broken in the way that you can't tell the shape of it. It was WHOLE!



    rofl?  What?  Truck wheel?  Have you even looked at the pdf link?  K, I'm off to work.  I hope some others will take a look at the part photos while I'm gone.
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