Originally posted by oreyi Drugs are illegal and people consumes drugs... Driving without using the seatbelt is illegal and people drives without the seatbelt... Killing is illegal and people still kills... Emulators might be illegal (depends of many things) but people *does create and use emulators* and will allways do...
Apart from the fact that some countries do not recognice the laws of the country of origin of a game. And apart from the fact that once it's in emule there's no way to stop it once it's been spread ^^ Beside that, why should fanbois worry about it? Oh yeah, because the game would be even emptier ^^
So it's ok to kill, steal, drive without a seat belt, do drugs, and use emulators because other people do it?
lol good try... Or at least funny one. You know what I mean perfectly mate
I am just saying that a lot of people commits serious crimes and are never caught, why should this be different? SoE will not waste money chasing each player using an emulated server.
And in the case of the emulator, yes it is fair to make it.
Each player who left swg had a reason... Or many.. Just to say one (of many), I spent about 500 hours playing to reach jedi because nobody told me it'd be completelly useless one month later. I think I deserve something in exchange (like being able to play pre-cu servers)
Well, it's not a crime EVERYWHERE. Can you get busted in the U.S. for smoking hash in Amsterdam? No. And neither can you violate a law using an Emulator housed in a country that it ISN'T illegal.
But as most legal issues go.. it'll never be about who is right, it'll be about what way the wind blows when someone gets a subpoena or has a court hearing.
I lost a website I used to run for a while because the host got a cease-and-decist. He never questioned the LEGALITY of said letter, and axed the site.. and I had to find a new home for it. I responded to the attorney and showed him he didn't have a legal leg to stand on, and the site went on.
If the EMU project comes to fruition, it'll all depend on who has what lawyers, and what courts they end up in.
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You guys are not taking into consideration that LA is involved in this. And they are beyond overzealous when it comes to their cash-cow called Star Wars. Even if an EMU is not illiegal, they will send their attack lawyers after whoever tries to develope a something with anything that resembles Star Wars lore, and even if they don't have a case, they will bleed them to death through the courts... Anyone remember Napster?
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Originally posted by duncan_922 You guys are not taking into consideration that LA is involved in this. And they are beyond overzealous when it comes to their cash-cow called Star Wars. Even if an EMU is not illiegal, they will send their attack lawyers after whoever tries to develope a something with anything that resembles Star Wars lore, and even if they don't have a case, they will bleed them to death through the courts... Anyone remember Napster?
Exactly. Its a fools journey. It will be shut down before it even goes live. But it would have to be real before that happened, this entire thing is nothing but a fanboys pipedream.
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Originally posted by Shayde Well, it's not a crime EVERYWHERE. Can you get busted in the U.S. for smoking hash in Amsterdam? No. And neither can you violate a law using an Emulator housed in a country that it ISN'T illegal.
But as most legal issues go.. it'll never be about who is right, it'll be about what way the wind blows when someone gets a subpoena or has a court hearing.
I lost a website I used to run for a while because the host got a cease-and-decist. He never questioned the LEGALITY of said letter, and axed the site.. and I had to find a new home for it. I responded to the attorney and showed him he didn't have a legal leg to stand on, and the site went on.
If the EMU project comes to fruition, it'll all depend on who has what lawyers, and what courts they end up in.
Agreed, if the server for the emulator is in say Slovakia the laws in that country permit it as SWG is copyrighted in the U.S.A and other countries but not in Slovakia.
Apparently it would be illegal to play that version of SWG on that server from the U.S.A (and other countries where the product is copyrighted), but legal to access it from say Cambodia.
our problem isn't wether it's legal or not for them to do this, but is it legal or not for us to access an emulator (if/when it's done). And that all depends on the laws in your country, and wether SWG is a registared product there.
But in my opinion it would be a big waste of police time to bust someone for playing SWG on an EMU in Slovakia.
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Originally posted by Agricola1 Originally posted by Shayde Well, it's not a crime EVERYWHERE. Can you get busted in the U.S. for smoking hash in Amsterdam? No. And neither can you violate a law using an Emulator housed in a country that it ISN'T illegal.
But as most legal issues go.. it'll never be about who is right, it'll be about what way the wind blows when someone gets a subpoena or has a court hearing.
I lost a website I used to run for a while because the host got a cease-and-decist. He never questioned the LEGALITY of said letter, and axed the site.. and I had to find a new home for it. I responded to the attorney and showed him he didn't have a legal leg to stand on, and the site went on.
If the EMU project comes to fruition, it'll all depend on who has what lawyers, and what courts they end up in.
Agreed, if the server for the emulator is in say Slovakia the laws in that country permit it as SWG is copyrighted in the U.S.A and other countries but not in Slovakia.
Apparently it would be illegal to play that version of SWG on that server from the U.S.A (and other countries where the product is copyrighted), but legal to access it from say Cambodia.
our problem isn't wether it's legal or not for them to do this, but is it legal or not for us to access an emulator (if/when it's done). And that all depends on the laws in your country, and wether SWG is a registared product there.
But in my opinion it would be a big waste of police time to bust someone for playing SWG on an EMU in Slovakia.
Slovakia is the country I researched on quite awhile ago when this issue came up. I had 2 very informant links about the laws, in both Slovakia and Interpol. Not only does Slovakia have its own branch for dealing with software infringement/emulators/bootlegs and all that good stuff, but its a member of Interpol, which of course has hard crackdowns on the subject matter. You arent only dealing with Slovakian laws, you are dealing with Interpol as well, which means quite frankly you are fucked.
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Originally posted by Agricola1 Originally posted by Shayde Well, it's not a crime EVERYWHERE. Can you get busted in the U.S. for smoking hash in Amsterdam? No. And neither can you violate a law using an Emulator housed in a country that it ISN'T illegal.
Agreed, if the server for the emulator is in say Slovakia the laws in that country permit it as SWG is copyrighted in the U.S.A and other countries but not in Slovakia.
Apparently it would be illegal to play that version of SWG on that server from the U.S.A (and other countries where the product is copyrighted), but legal to access it from say Cambodia.
our problem isn't wether it's legal or not for them to do this, but is it legal or not for us to access an emulator (if/when it's done). And that all depends on the laws in your country, and wether SWG is a registared product there.
But in my opinion it would be a big waste of police time to bust someone for playing SWG on an EMU in Slovakia.
Yup I think it would be illegal to play, as the client has to be modified slightly to reach the new (emulated) servers, but well, good luck finding each player using it...
The emulator can probably be done without using any kind of intellectual property (this is after all inside the client software) and in this case they would have no proof against it.
Again
A) Good luck finding it ( there already are other emulators out there, for lineage, wow, etc...)
Too much money wasted for a few subscriptions (that anyway wouldn't go back to SoE)
And don't forget that $OE could shut down any emu server by releasing ONE classic server. Who wants to hassle with all that legality B.S. when we can have out safe little version run by the bastards at $OE?
If they did it next month, the EMU people could just stop working now. They'd eliminate the market.
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Originally posted by oreyi Yup I think it would be illegal to play, as the client has to be modified slightly to reach the new (emulated) servers, but well, good luck finding each player using it... The emulator can probably be done without using any kind of intellectual property (this is after all inside the client software) and in this case they would have no proof against it. Again A) Good luck finding it ( there already are other emulators out there, for lineage, wow, etc...) Too much money wasted for a few subscriptions (that anyway wouldn't go back to SoE)
yes there are, and any one that has tried to run a SOE product let alone and LA/SOE product has been shut down.
Hmmm, what was that EQ 1 classic free server that was shut down last year? Perhaps you can give them the speech on "legality" and they can explain to you some reality.
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Originally posted by oreyi Yup I think it would be illegal to play, as the client has to be modified slightly to reach the new (emulated) servers, but well, good luck finding each player using it... The emulator can probably be done without using any kind of intellectual property (this is after all inside the client software) and in this case they would have no proof against it. Again A) Good luck finding it ( there already are other emulators out there, for lineage, wow, etc...) Too much money wasted for a few subscriptions (that anyway wouldn't go back to SoE)
yes there are, and any one that has tried to run a SOE product let alone and LA/SOE product has been shut down.
Hmmm, what was that EQ 1 classic free server that was shut down last year? Perhaps you can give them the speech on "legality" and they can explain to you some reality.
Why is there an EQ emu still available then, with ongoing development?
The breaking point is the functionality. As long as there's a single emulator, hosting 200 people nobody will do anything. It's not worth it.
But if for some reason (and in case of SWG that is a significant issue) people would prefer an emu over legal version, then the numbers could not only increase beyond that, but would affect the subscriptions as well.
And this is where you have a problem.
But the main (and most likely only) legal issue is the copyrights over art. The source code itself and EULA aren't that important, Most of the software legalities are hard to enforce, copyrights on the other hand get handled daily.
A server unfortunately cannot be developed without using a small part of this (it can be done without modifying the client though).
The EULA is a joke and doesn't even pertain to any of this argument. It is the code of conduct to play the game ON THEIR SERVERS and isn't at all binding anywhere else. If you're not on their server, it has no teeth.
It's the copyright issues that they'll be enforcing in court. That's the hammer that will fall.
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Originally posted by Rekrul Originally posted by FadeusOriginally posted by oreyiYup I think it would be illegal to play, as the client has to be modified slightly to reach the new (emulated) servers, but well, good luck finding each player using it...The emulator can probably be done without using any kind of intellectual property (this is after all inside the client software) and in this case they would have no proof against it.Again A) Good luck finding it ( there already are other emulators out there, for lineage, wow, etc...)B) Too much money wasted for a few subscriptions (that anyway wouldn't go back to SoE) yes there are, and any one that has tried to run a SOE product let alone and LA/SOE product has been shut down. Hmmm, what was that EQ 1 classic free server that was shut down last year? Perhaps you can give them the speech on "legality" and they can explain to you some reality. Why is there an EQ emu still available then, with ongoing development?The breaking point is the functionality. As long as there's a single emulator, hosting 200 people nobody will do anything. It's not worth it.But if for some reason (and in case of SWG that is a significant issue) people would prefer an emu over legal version, then the numbers could not only increase beyond that, but would affect the subscriptions as well.And this is where you have a problem.But the main (and most likely only) legal issue is the copyrights over art. The source code itself and EULA aren't that important, Most of the software legalities are hard to enforce, copyrights on the other hand get handled daily.A server unfortunately cannot be developed without using a small part of this (it can be done without modifying the client though).
Um, the same reason there is an SWG currently in development? What was your point with that? I said run, as in accept players and host an actual "free" server. And yes they will do something about it just as they have done in the past.
Hmm, Winter's Roar or something like that I beleive it was.
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The EULA is a joke and doesn't even pertain to any of this argument. It is the code of conduct to play the game ON THEIR SERVERS and isn't at all binding anywhere else. If you're not on their server, it has no teeth.
It's the copyright issues that they'll be enforcing in court. That's the hammer that will fall.
And that isn't even a slam dunk case. We paid for the game that we bought when we bought it, which is a license to the copyrighted material. That didn't stop the UO emulated servers.
I doubt they will sue, but instead will throw up some classic servers instead. As you said earlier, if they did that demand for the emu servers dies instantly.
The only way the EULA applies to you is if you are an active SWG subscriber. Once the emu comes out and there are solid, stable servers with solid player bases, I don't think I will be a SWG subscriber anymore...
Originally posted by oreyi Yup I think it would be illegal to play, as the client has to be modified slightly to reach the new (emulated) servers, but well, good luck finding each player using it... The emulator can probably be done without using any kind of intellectual property (this is after all inside the client software) and in this case they would have no proof against it. Again A) Good luck finding it ( there already are other emulators out there, for lineage, wow, etc...) Too much money wasted for a few subscriptions (that anyway wouldn't go back to SoE)
yes there are, and any one that has tried to run a SOE product let alone and LA/SOE product has been shut down.
Hmmm, what was that EQ 1 classic free server that was shut down last year? Perhaps you can give them the speech on "legality" and they can explain to you some reality.
I won't give links, you can find them at google easily, there are still some servers with EQ1 running out there.
Originally posted by Rekrul Originally posted by Fadeus
Originally posted by oreyiYup I think it would be illegal to play, as the client has to be modified slightly to reach the new (emulated) servers, but well, good luck finding each player using it...The emulator can probably be done without using any kind of intellectual property (this is after all inside the client software) and in this case they would have no proof against it.Again A) Good luck finding it ( there already are other emulators out there, for lineage, wow, etc...)B) Too much money wasted for a few subscriptions (that anyway wouldn't go back to SoE)
yes there are, and any one that has tried to run a SOE product let alone and LA/SOE product has been shut down. Hmmm, what was that EQ 1 classic free server that was shut down last year? Perhaps you can give them the speech on "legality" and they can explain to you some reality. Why is there an EQ emu still available then, with ongoing development?The breaking point is the functionality. As long as there's a single emulator, hosting 200 people nobody will do anything. It's not worth it.But if for some reason (and in case of SWG that is a significant issue) people would prefer an emu over legal version, then the numbers could not only increase beyond that, but would affect the subscriptions as well.And this is where you have a problem.But the main (and most likely only) legal issue is the copyrights over art. The source code itself and EULA aren't that important, Most of the software legalities are hard to enforce, copyrights on the other hand get handled daily.A server unfortunately cannot be developed without using a small part of this (it can be done without modifying the client though).
Um, the same reason there is an SWG currently in development? What was your point with that? I said run, as in accept players and host an actual "free" server. And yes they will do something about it just as they have done in the past.
Hmm, Winter's Roar or something like that I beleive it was.
But the fact is, they are still out there, just search a bit
Even if these emulator projects are real they wont offer anything more than SoE currently is with SWG. Id rather play SWG as it is now that pre-cu SWG on a server ran by some shadowy Slovakians that nobody knows anything about. Nothing against Slovakians or Europeans for that matter, but id much rather connect to a server ran by an actual real company and actual real people than a server ran by some unknowns on a whole different continent. God only knows what they could do, imagine Sony rootkits and The Warden...but ten times more dangerous. NGE please.
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Originally posted by Spathotan Even if these emulator projects are real they wont offer anything more than SoE currently is with SWG. Id rather play SWG as it is now that pre-cu SWG on a server ran by some shadowy Slovakians that nobody knows anything about. Nothing against Slovakians or Europeans for that matter, but id much rather connect to a server ran by an actual real company and actual real people than a server ran by some unknowns on a whole different continent. God only knows what they could do, imagine Sony rootkits and The Warden...but ten times more dangerous. NGE please.
I know SoE is bad, I don't know who the others are or how their cooking is, but I'll give them a chance.
Time will say, I will hope they succeed and give SoE a good lesson. If not, well, shit happends. Until then I'll give hope to the people I know would like to come back for a Pre-cu server.
I think that if the Emu is solid and runs well on reasonable hardware, SOE and everyone may be quite shocked at the playerbase and intrest it attracts...
Originally posted by oreyi Drugs are illegal and people consumes drugs... Driving without using the seatbelt is illegal and people drives without the seatbelt... Killing is illegal and people still kills... Emulators might be illegal (depends of many things) but people *does create and use emulators* and will allways do...
Apart from the fact that some countries do not recognice the laws of the country of origin of a game. And apart from the fact that once it's in emule there's no way to stop it once it's been spread ^^ Beside that, why should fanbois worry about it? Oh yeah, because the game would be even emptier ^^
So it's ok to kill, steal, drive without a seat belt, do drugs, and use emulators because other people do it?
From what I have seen they only have the client side info so they have the planets... the landscape. All mobs and items are server side from what I understand and unless they have a copy of the server side script then they dont have much more then wet dreams.
I will say this though, if they do happen to create or set up these servers then they will make more potential to make money then SOE and LAE does simply by giving the customers what they want. If they get it working and large numbers decide to flock to them, maybe Lucas will take Torres' head out of Smedley's ass long enough to tell him to make classic servers (though I doubt it would happen even then).
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Originally posted by Aikes This all seems to be a big hoax at this point. From what I have seen they only have the client side info so they have the planets... the landscape. All mobs and items are server side from what I understand and unless they have a copy of the server side script then they dont have much more then wet dreams. I will say this though, if they do happen to create or set up these servers then they will make more potential to make money then SOE and LAE does simply by giving the customers what they want. If they get it working and large numbers decide to flock to them, maybe Lucas will take Torres' head out of Smedley's ass long enough to tell him to make classic servers (though I doubt it would happen even then).
Accept $1. Go straight to jail. Do not pass start.
Seriously. If they, under any pretense or justification, through any and all means, obtain a single dime, they go to jail, with trial over in record time. It's called copyright infringement in the most basic sense. That includes receiving money for server upkeep, hosting, domain registration, random donations, cash in an envelope, through wireless transfer, via credit card, in form of material good, or via other means that could be considered as "for profit". It's enough for them to put up an ad on their page, for all of this to be effective.
An eDonkey page was providing links for over two years. Nobody and nothing could tough them. They put up an advertisment, and went down and to courts in under a month.
Never joke about it or mention receiving money. It's that serious.
I know this isn't exactly what you meant, but mentioning money in connection with any such activity is really bad. Unless you have a good lawyer on your side. And even then, you'd still be going up against LEC.
As for server data, there is enough. Once you set up the back-end, apart from a few static spawns, everything is rather trivial to auto-generate.
Originally posted by oreyi Originally posted by Fadeus
Originally posted by oreyi Drugs are illegal and people consumes drugs... Driving without using the seatbelt is illegal and people drives without the seatbelt... Killing is illegal and people still kills... Emulators might be illegal (depends of many things) but people *does create and use emulators* and will allways do...
Apart from the fact that some countries do not recognice the laws of the country of origin of a game. And apart from the fact that once it's in emule there's no way to stop it once it's been spread ^^ Beside that, why should fanbois worry about it? Oh yeah, because the game would be even emptier ^^
So it's ok to kill, steal, drive without a seat belt, do drugs, and use emulators because other people do it?
lol good try... Or at least funny one. You know what I mean perfectly mate
I am just saying that a lot of people commits serious crimes and are never caught, why should this be different? SoE will not waste money chasing each player using an emulated server.
And in the case of the emulator, yes it is fair to make it.
Each player who left swg had a reason... Or many.. Just to say one (of many), I spent about 500 hours playing to reach jedi because nobody told me it'd be completelly useless one month later. I think I deserve something in exchange (like being able to play pre-cu servers)
True....
However they can shut that server down. no need to go after all the individual players. I myself wouldn't play an EMU simply because of the legal ambiguity, leaning towards illegal.
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So it's ok to kill, steal, drive without a seat belt, do drugs, and use emulators because other people do it?
lol good try... Or at least funny one. You know what I mean perfectly mate
I am just saying that a lot of people commits serious crimes and are never caught, why should this be different? SoE will not waste money chasing each player using an emulated server.
And in the case of the emulator, yes it is fair to make it.
Each player who left swg had a reason... Or many.. Just to say one (of many), I spent about 500 hours playing to reach jedi because nobody told me it'd be completelly useless one month later. I think I deserve something in exchange (like being able to play pre-cu servers)
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But as most legal issues go.. it'll never be about who is right, it'll be about what way the wind blows when someone gets a subpoena or has a court hearing.
I lost a website I used to run for a while because the host got a cease-and-decist. He never questioned the LEGALITY of said letter, and axed the site.. and I had to find a new home for it. I responded to the attorney and showed him he didn't have a legal leg to stand on, and the site went on.
If the EMU project comes to fruition, it'll all depend on who has what lawyers, and what courts they end up in.
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Agreed, if the server for the emulator is in say Slovakia the laws in that country permit it as SWG is copyrighted in the U.S.A and other countries but not in Slovakia.
Apparently it would be illegal to play that version of SWG on that server from the U.S.A (and other countries where the product is copyrighted), but legal to access it from say Cambodia.
our problem isn't wether it's legal or not for them to do this, but is it legal or not for us to access an emulator (if/when it's done). And that all depends on the laws in your country, and wether SWG is a registared product there.
But in my opinion it would be a big waste of police time to bust someone for playing SWG on an EMU in Slovakia.
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Agreed, if the server for the emulator is in say Slovakia the laws in that country permit it as SWG is copyrighted in the U.S.A and other countries but not in Slovakia.
Apparently it would be illegal to play that version of SWG on that server from the U.S.A (and other countries where the product is copyrighted), but legal to access it from say Cambodia.
our problem isn't wether it's legal or not for them to do this, but is it legal or not for us to access an emulator (if/when it's done). And that all depends on the laws in your country, and wether SWG is a registared product there.
But in my opinion it would be a big waste of police time to bust someone for playing SWG on an EMU in Slovakia.
Slovakia is the country I researched on quite awhile ago when this issue came up. I had 2 very informant links about the laws, in both Slovakia and Interpol. Not only does Slovakia have its own branch for dealing with software infringement/emulators/bootlegs and all that good stuff, but its a member of Interpol, which of course has hard crackdowns on the subject matter. You arent only dealing with Slovakian laws, you are dealing with Interpol as well, which means quite frankly you are fucked.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
Agreed, if the server for the emulator is in say Slovakia the laws in that country permit it as SWG is copyrighted in the U.S.A and other countries but not in Slovakia.
Apparently it would be illegal to play that version of SWG on that server from the U.S.A (and other countries where the product is copyrighted), but legal to access it from say Cambodia.
our problem isn't wether it's legal or not for them to do this, but is it legal or not for us to access an emulator (if/when it's done). And that all depends on the laws in your country, and wether SWG is a registared product there.
But in my opinion it would be a big waste of police time to bust someone for playing SWG on an EMU in Slovakia.
Yup I think it would be illegal to play, as the client has to be modified slightly to reach the new (emulated) servers, but well, good luck finding each player using it...
The emulator can probably be done without using any kind of intellectual property (this is after all inside the client software) and in this case they would have no proof against it.
Again
A) Good luck finding it ( there already are other emulators out there, for lineage, wow, etc...)
If they did it next month, the EMU people could just stop working now. They'd eliminate the market.
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yes there are, and any one that has tried to run a SOE product let alone and LA/SOE product has been shut down.
Hmmm, what was that EQ 1 classic free server that was shut down last year? Perhaps you can give them the speech on "legality" and they can explain to you some reality.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
yes there are, and any one that has tried to run a SOE product let alone and LA/SOE product has been shut down.
Hmmm, what was that EQ 1 classic free server that was shut down last year? Perhaps you can give them the speech on "legality" and they can explain to you some reality.
Why is there an EQ emu still available then, with ongoing development?
The breaking point is the functionality. As long as there's a single emulator, hosting 200 people nobody will do anything. It's not worth it.
But if for some reason (and in case of SWG that is a significant issue) people would prefer an emu over legal version, then the numbers could not only increase beyond that, but would affect the subscriptions as well.
And this is where you have a problem.
But the main (and most likely only) legal issue is the copyrights over art. The source code itself and EULA aren't that important, Most of the software legalities are hard to enforce, copyrights on the other hand get handled daily.
A server unfortunately cannot be developed without using a small part of this (it can be done without modifying the client though).
The EULA is a joke and doesn't even pertain to any of this argument. It is the code of conduct to play the game ON THEIR SERVERS and isn't at all binding anywhere else. If you're not on their server, it has no teeth.
It's the copyright issues that they'll be enforcing in court. That's the hammer that will fall.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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Um, the same reason there is an SWG currently in development? What was your point with that? I said run, as in accept players and host an actual "free" server. And yes they will do something about it just as they have done in the past.
Hmm, Winter's Roar or something like that I beleive it was.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
I doubt they will sue, but instead will throw up some classic servers instead. As you said earlier, if they did that demand for the emu servers dies instantly.
The only way the EULA applies to you is if you are an active SWG subscriber. Once the emu comes out and there are solid, stable servers with solid player bases, I don't think I will be a SWG subscriber anymore...
yes there are, and any one that has tried to run a SOE product let alone and LA/SOE product has been shut down.
Hmmm, what was that EQ 1 classic free server that was shut down last year? Perhaps you can give them the speech on "legality" and they can explain to you some reality.
I won't give links, you can find them at google easily, there are still some servers with EQ1 running out there.
Um, the same reason there is an SWG currently in development? What was your point with that? I said run, as in accept players and host an actual "free" server. And yes they will do something about it just as they have done in the past.
Hmm, Winter's Roar or something like that I beleive it was.
But the fact is, they are still out there, just search a bit
It's a fact that SoE has not closed them all.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
I know SoE is bad, I don't know who the others are or how their cooking is, but I'll give them a chance.
Time will say, I will hope they succeed and give SoE a good lesson. If not, well, shit happends. Until then I'll give hope to the people I know would like to come back for a Pre-cu server.
So it's ok to kill, steal, drive without a seat belt, do drugs, and use emulators because other people do it?
dang! Should I stop it them?
-virtual tourist
want your game back?
This all seems to be a big hoax at this point.
From what I have seen they only have the client side info so they have the planets... the landscape. All mobs and items are server side from what I understand and unless they have a copy of the server side script then they dont have much more then wet dreams.
I will say this though, if they do happen to create or set up these servers then they will make more potential to make money then SOE and LAE does simply by giving the customers what they want. If they get it working and large numbers decide to flock to them, maybe Lucas will take Torres' head out of Smedley's ass long enough to tell him to make classic servers (though I doubt it would happen even then).
"SWG was a world, now it's just a game" -adamrk-
"When the game was good, you didn't have to ask where the population was, because it was everywhere. When the game was good you didn't have to ask which server had population, because they all did. When the game was good you didn't have to beg friends to give it a try, because they were already playing. " - Salty Pete
Seriously. If they, under any pretense or justification, through any and all means, obtain a single dime, they go to jail, with trial over in record time. It's called copyright infringement in the most basic sense. That includes receiving money for server upkeep, hosting, domain registration, random donations, cash in an envelope, through wireless transfer, via credit card, in form of material good, or via other means that could be considered as "for profit". It's enough for them to put up an ad on their page, for all of this to be effective.
An eDonkey page was providing links for over two years. Nobody and nothing could tough them. They put up an advertisment, and went down and to courts in under a month.
Never joke about it or mention receiving money. It's that serious.
I know this isn't exactly what you meant, but mentioning money in connection with any such activity is really bad. Unless you have a good lawyer on your side. And even then, you'd still be going up against LEC.
As for server data, there is enough. Once you set up the back-end, apart from a few static spawns, everything is rather trivial to auto-generate.
So it's ok to kill, steal, drive without a seat belt, do drugs, and use emulators because other people do it?
lol good try... Or at least funny one. You know what I mean perfectly mate
I am just saying that a lot of people commits serious crimes and are never caught, why should this be different? SoE will not waste money chasing each player using an emulated server.
And in the case of the emulator, yes it is fair to make it.
Each player who left swg had a reason... Or many.. Just to say one (of many), I spent about 500 hours playing to reach jedi because nobody told me it'd be completelly useless one month later. I think I deserve something in exchange (like being able to play pre-cu servers)
True....
However they can shut that server down. no need to go after all the individual players. I myself wouldn't play an EMU simply because of the legal ambiguity, leaning towards illegal.