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But if they really are to have jedi, then please make it a RPG jedi. Not a 1337 jedi. Make them alpha, by all means. But make then extremely vulnerable to, well the empire, if they use their glowsticks or any jedi force power. Oh, and Bounty Hunters. It made sense to make them hunt jedi. Why not send Boba Fett after them as well after a while...
As far as the NGE goes, I don't want to dignify the NGE with any kind of response, but I can't help it. I used to play SWG, now I don't. I wish I could have, but soe ruined it. Now I can play a star warsy game (with jedi after the destruction of the first death star...) where I can live the "ultimate saga", soe's. I used to live my own saga, with a TKM/MDoc tank. Almost able to tank whoever/whatever (I underline almost). That's gone. My best friend had a mean MCH, who could kick butts with the best of them. Now we are NGE (now gaming elsewhere). I am 31 years old, and this game were good to me. Now I had to have 1/3 of my age to enjoy some of it I imagine
To summarize:
I HATE SOE. (If anyone has a legitimate lawsuit to file against them, you have my moral support)!
EDITS: Typos and some clarifications
LucasArts and SOE made the incorrect assumption that the prequels were something that every Star Wars fan is interested in. They're sorta right on that, but not to the degree they thought. The EU content (shadows of the empire, etc) didn't get as much attention as it should've, at least compared to Kashyyyk and Mustafar. Even though both planets were only featured in perhaps a grand total of 20 minutes of Episode 3 film, it was deemed expansion quality simply because the game is one giant marketing engine for the movies. Nothing more.
It's a shame, because only a decade ago (or more), I loved LucasArts and how innovative they were with games. I could even say the same about Verant/SOE. I had no qualms with giving either of them money. But after the third or fourth "release" of Star Wars, and the 6th $40 expansion for EverQuest, both companies seem like giant locusts intending to feed as much as possible. I respect their right to mercantile and IP, but it'd be really nice if both companies treated consumers (not just gamers) as people for a change, and not simply marks for money.
-- xpaladin
[MMOz]
AC1/2, AO, DAoC, EQ1/2, SoR, SWG, UO, WAR, WoW
I recall the day I plugged in swg, the release version, which was still unready after beta. But, the push was on to get the game to market. This although i didnt see it at the time was a warning sign. That the game will be pushed ahead irregradless of the opinion of the people...
I had alot of time left on my account, alot, yet I woul;d rather watch barney videos back to back over this puke [cu]. To me the movie was trial over truibulation. It showed that a boys dream to greater aspiration can be achieved through work and merit. This is where I was working the grind to master bh, ch or something, the door was still wide open, the stars and planets vast. Yet I had the damned satisfaction knowing that I made this char, molded it, walked the valley of Dathomir... and lived..
There was also very tight knit communities, world meshed,online and real life. I attended bbq events and a few other events with the guild i was in and other affilaited ones. Hell evens seen two marriages happen.
I also wish that people would stop giving soe credit and press, yes they are the evil red headed bastard stepchild who desrves a whipping.. a severe salt induced whipping. But to me it seems that smeddly get satisifaction of the hate we generate, possibly abused in school over his love of star wars at the time. Or he is a masochist that like dry fudging customers, I make no apologies.. I hate wow, I hate coh, I hate neo doy2, I hate eq2... YET I loathe, dispise and feel rage boil at swg changes... f-ck y-- smedley with a barbed bat....
SOE killer of games since they day the flipped the cu switch... and flipped us the bird..
Well I honestly don't see how they could think that. When the game was in development and later in production, it only had a few hundred thousand subscribers. The absolute tops were games like Lineage 2 with maybe a mil or so, maybe 2. WOW having 5 mil only happened very recently, and before it happened nobody thought any MMO could get that high.
Star Wars on the other hand, each movie makes on the order of $400 million bucks, and an estimated 50 or so milion people go to see it in the USA alone. World wide there are probably over 100 million people who go to the Star Wars movies, and always have, long before there were any games, let alone SWG.
The MOVIE can be used to market the GAME. But the GAME cannot be used to market the MOVIE. The audience of the game is a pittance.
Honestly, I can't see they ever thought of the game as a way to sell the movie. No, even they are not that stupid. They thought the movies could market the game, by having the game tie into the worlds that were in the movie... that people having seen Mustafar would like to PLAY on Mustafar... not that people having played on Mustafar would go buy a movie ticket.
Sorry but you have it backwards. I can't see how anyone sane would think that the game would sell movie tickets in any amount that mattered. Episode III probably made more money in the opening weekend alone, than all the computer games ever sold under the Star Wars title ever made combined. The movies are the drivers here -- not the books, not the EU, not the comics, and certainly not SWG. Those things all combined don't equal ILM's budget for one film.
C
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Then there's further merchandising. Like say, that SWG book that was released back in '03. Or perhaps the fact that if someone is willing to spend $15/mo playing a Star Wars game, they might be more likely to buy Star Wars products. Yeah, they're very niche and closed circuit markets, but if you can get into them with minimal investment, it is money in the bank.
You haven't noticed that games about movies are hitting shelves before
the movies are in theatres? It's not a coincidence, it's a marketing
strategy. Practically everything about SWG's last two expansions - Rage
of the Wookiees and Trials of Obi-Wan - centered around the Episode III
movie not just in content, but in release dates. It's essentially a form of commercial advertisement. Those producers/executives want your money and they want big ticket sales, and they're out to get it any way they can.
They're not interested in funding a LucasFilm movie, they're just interested in keeping their company afloat.
Don't get me wrong here, I agree (strongly) with your logic. I happen to
dislike the marriage between Hollywood and Video Games, since all it
seems to produce is mediocrity in both directions. Movies make bad
games, games make bad movies. But the gaming industry (for the most part) doesn't care about making good games, they just want to sell IP as quickly and efficiently as possible.
LucasArts treats it's customers like garbage, but they have all the ability to do so since they own the IP. SOE's role in this is more or less the middleman. They are on a leash to LucasArts and have to satisfy their customers at the same time. In a way, they're sort of like "congress" in that they have to represent our interests to LucasArts. However, SOE has either repeatedly failed to do just that (or they try valiantly and get smothered by LucasArts anyway), and as such they face our wrath when the real enemy is LucasArts. Not that SOE hasn't been outright immoral in their business practices with SWG, however. I'm not letting them off the hook.
-- xpaladin
[MMOz]
AC1/2, AO, DAoC, EQ1/2, SoR, SWG, UO, WAR, WoW
Speaking of... I just now noticed that Paul W.S. Anderson is writing/directing Castlevania.
-d
Waiting on: Pirates of the Burning Sea and Pirates of the Carribean Online
Im so sick of Video Game movies. All these dumbasses need to either hold their IP's and make the movie's themselves (like SE did with Advent Children), or just forget the whole idea. Id personally prefer the latter.
Resident Evil 1&2 = decent
Tomb Raider = big titted trash
Doom = one of mans worse creations
Alone in the Dark = Uwe Boll
BloodRayne = Uwe Boll
House of the Dead = Uwe Boll
Postal and Far Cry are on the way as well; my predicition? Uwe Boll, 'nuff said I think.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
DAKSHA - the Weaponsmith
proud member of KDS
SWG- DAKSHA, Quietus, Decebal, Deceneu -retired
EVE - Daksha - retired
WOW - Daksha - retired
COV - Daksha - retired
EQ2- Daksha - retired
SOR- Daksha - retired
Vanguard - Daksha - retired
LOTRO - Daksha - retired
AOC - Daksha - retired
Warhammer - Daksha - retired
Aion - Daksha -almost retired
Waiting for SWTOR
It may be trash but those boobies are worth an award for each one in my opinion. Also you forgot to mention her fantastic arse, as for the rest if I have seen them I can't remember although I haven't seen Doom.
Oh BTW $OE licks Jabba's sweaty balls. (just keeping this post pertinent to the sticky).
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
There are only 10 types of people in this world, those that understand binary and those that don't
"The man who exchanges Liberty for Iconic classes is a fool deserving of neither." - Me and Ben Franklin
my hatred for SOE gives me focus.
and besides, its impossible to have an intelligent conversation about something as stupid as the NGE.
SWG ADDICT...clean since the NGE
Great Post!
Though I never Played the Pre-CU version, the CU was a million times better than the garbage we have now. The frustration that the NGE has cause due to the lack of common sense and simply Customer Service is mind-numbing...
I thought the Village Grind was a more than fair way to earn Jedi...Lets face it, some may have had it tougher in the beginning from what I understand, but it's not like the Village was a walk-in-the-park...The 18 weeks of Trips back and forth on Dath were a definite sign of dedication to the Game. And more importantly to the actual Community everyone in My Guild who was going for Jedi was dedicated to the cause and no where near the point of quitting....They wanted to be Jedi, I did as well...That's why I bought the Game to be honest...But they also wanted the Game as it was and were more than willing to do what they needed to do in order to EARN thier Jedi status...
Enter the NGE and 7 of My 12 closest Friends on the Game are gone...Of the 5 remaining only 1 Plays as much as he did Pre-NGE...It's just a crying shame what they did to this Game...
SWG was my first MMORPG. When I installed SWG, my summer went from sitting around doing nothing to something action packed and fun everyday! I miss that nirvana I got when I logged in each day to further make my wookiee more powerful. When I got jedi things only got better; I was one of the first wookiee jedi's on my server and everyone always wanted to hunt with a wookiee jedi, making my experience even more fun. Running the same missions a billion times didn't bother because the people who I played with always made the experience as fun as possible. The old SWG game was kind of like a classroom...you had your class-clown, your nerd, your bully, your leader, your norms, etc., making SWG seem like a real life adventure.
I sold my account when the CU hit because I just couldn't stand anymore changes to the original game. I went over to play FFXI to play with my brother, and as balanced as that game is, my experience just wasn't as fun as SWG. I then tried out WoW thinking I might witness my SWG prime again...No luck with WoW...same quests over and over again and the people are not as interesting as the SWG-ites. There's no uniqueness and creativity in the WoW realm.
I never was the video game person but SWG made my love for star wars come alive. I wish I could keep living that experience in a game where everyone is different, not the same 9 iconic jobs, and everyone can log in knowing that their time (whether it's for 15min or 4hrs) will be full of adventure and excitement.
I look forward to seeing what will happen in the near future to this game and the SWG MMORPG universe as a whole. Hopefully some company new and full of fresh new ideas will rescue the SWG universe and transform it into the game everyone used to love and play.
I hate threads like this, but I'm gonna weigh in on it. I don't dislike SOE, but I don't like the direection SWG has been taken. I didn't like the CU, but it wasn;t a game breaker for me. The NGE was a game breaker for me.
It's a shame. I have the Station Access and could play whenever I want. I even have it installed, but I just can't bring myself to either play it or uninstall it.
It's a shame.