Originally posted by nevey It seems that each new MMO seems to have a set of players who just want to take and never give. It doesn't matter the age of the players. It's more about their attitude than their age.
That might be true, but the majority of kids are immature with a bad attitude.
ALSO TRUE. BUT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE GETTING ARRESTED ON COPS ARE BLACK SO IS IT OK FOR US TO NOT MOVE INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE MOST PPL THERE ARE BLACK?
I SAY YES, IM NOT RACIST. BUT AS FAR AS I KNO IM MORE LIKELY TO GET ROBBED THAT WAY. JUST LIKE IT WOULD BE OK FOR SOMEONE TO NOT WANT TO PLAY AOC BECAUSE THERES GOING TO BE ALOT OF KIDS THERE
ALSO TRUE. BUT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE GETTING ARRESTED ON COPS ARE BLACK SO IS IT OK FOR US TO NOT MOVE INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE MOST PPL THERE ARE BLACK?
I SAY YES, IM NOT RACIST. BUT AS FAR AS I KNO IM MORE LIKELY TO GET ROBBED THAT WAY. JUST LIKE IT WOULD BE OK FOR SOMEONE TO NOT WANT TO PLAY AOC BECAUSE THERES GOING TO BE ALOT OF KIDS THERE
Originally posted by waike ALSO TRUE. BUT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE GETTING ARRESTED ON COPS ARE BLACK SO IS IT OK FOR US TO NOT MOVE INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE MOST PPL THERE ARE BLACK?
I SAY YES, IM NOT RACIST. BUT AS FAR AS I KNO IM MORE LIKELY TO GET ROBBED THAT WAY. JUST LIKE IT WOULD BE OK FOR SOMEONE TO NOT WANT TO PLAY AOC BECAUSE THERES GOING TO BE ALOT OF KIDS THERE
PS: (IM 17 CAUCASIAN)
Nice, a kid and a racist. You know, the first thing a racist tends to say is "I'm not racist, but..." This is not a very good comparison. How does people not liking to play with immature (and racist) kids the same thing as a stereotype that damages people on a fundamental level? All you did, was make yourself look ignorant.
Every online game should have a mature rating, as long as you have the human element there will be maturity, players swear, insult, and generally attack others verbally ad mentally online, theres no way a rating of teen should change peoples opinions of the facts.
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Originally posted by Vanillacream I love mmo's, but all the blasted kids ruin it.
I do know that the rating is due to the grafic nature of the game. But I see alot of ppl think it will "save" them from all the shitty kids.
It's great that AoC has the "Mature" rating, but seriously do you think it will help? I have seen little kids smiling and laughing when they see the video of the game and all the blood and head decap.
I think its gonna really act like a magnet to AoC and it will be crawling with kids laugh and with semi-hardons ganking and choping off heads. Look at Grand Theft Auto its a good exsampel of this.
What is the difference between an MMO in real life?? In life kids are annoying but you either have to deal with them or get away from them. Why should it be so different in a game that emulates life?
Originally posted by Vanillacream I love mmo's, but all the blasted kids ruin it.
I do know that the rating is due to the grafic nature of the game. But I see alot of ppl think it will "save" them from all the shitty kids.
It's great that AoC has the "Mature" rating, but seriously do you think it will help? I have seen little kids smiling and laughing when they see the video of the game and all the blood and head decap.
I think its gonna really act like a magnet to AoC and it will be crawling with kids laugh and with semi-hardons ganking and choping off heads. Look at Grand Theft Auto its a good exsampel of this.
If the parents of these children actually monitored the games they play and set limits on how long one child could play, then I believe that a lot of MMORPGs could/would be different.
We all know that there are a few games (World of Warcraft and Guild Wars) that the community is so horrible with "1337 kiddies" and people just being obnoxious, yet when you try to talk to these people, these are the same people who will leap out and start bashing you because they think YOU'RE in the wrong and not them.
I believe that the "Mature" rating will be like the HOLY GRAIL for children. It's not like parents even know what an "ESRB" rating is. So these children (and some adults) will pester their parents to the point that they cave in and buy the game for their kids.
Lets just hope that the "Mature" rating does more good then harm in the long run.
As a young and wild lil nublet, I was always attracted to the M rated games and the R rated movies. Simply because my parents tried to keep me away from it. So whenever I was at my friends or when my parents were away or not paying attention, I would sneak and play/watch them anyways, finally it got to the point my parents got tried of trying to censor me from all of that good stuff so it just happend to end up in my favor. I highly doubt that most parents are going to censor their kids from M rated games, with all the crap out there nowadays there isn't any real reason to hide it, 90% of the games out there involve some type of killing anyways so most parents aren't really going to know the difference between a game like WoW & AoC. It's just another game to them. The only way to stop little kids from coming in the game and ruining the mature intelligent player economy we all want, would be for FunCom to take an action somehow, and any requirements/restrictions they add to block out little kids is going to cause less subscriptions to their game in their eyes. So in other words, you can try to make a great a game, or you can try to make a game to make money, every developer is in business to make money, they are not going to stop anyone who wants to give them money from doing so. Nothings perfect.
Originally posted by DeserttFoxx Every online game should have a mature rating, as long as you have the human element there will be maturity, players swear, insult, and generally attack others verbally ad mentally online, theres no way a rating of teen should change peoples opinions of the facts.
Well, i agree with you somewhat. But i dont agree all online games should be rated Mature. True, that people do swear and insult other people, in games that allow it. But you cant swear in every game. Some games dont allow it. And by dont allow swearing, i mean you litterally are unable to do it. Like in ragnarok online, if you try to swear or use a swear word in your sentence at all, it wont be shown. Not just the word wont be shown, but the whole sentence, you'll just get a message saying. "Yeah, i dont think so" And im sure there are other games that have similar methods of preventing swearing. So you see some games will take steps to back up there rating as best as they can. So not all games should be rated M, just cause of the fact that your playing with other people. "people can be controlled"!!!!!
I beleive the mature rating is just protecting them from the massive amounts of killing this game will have. And DeserttFoxx is right.
In every sport and anything that deals with competition there's always going to be smack talk... most people know that it comes with the game, but some people tend to take it to the next level and try to actually do damage to another person.
That's why there's an /ignore feature built into most games.
Originally posted by elitwebb Originally posted by Hajen Hi everyone... Im 15 years old, and have for a while done nothing but waiting for this game to be released. Now im getting more and more doubtful for every day. Almost every grown up seems to so afraid of ppl under 18 years. Do you guys think that on your 18 birthday, you automaticly stops with ninja-looting and all that stuff? However, iv´e never ninja-looted anything and im not that kind of guy who enjoys to upset other ppl with name-calling and writing stupid things things. Im just trying to act polite against all players, and then i still have to hear that ppl are sick of all the kids that spams and name-calls, wich makes me quite sad, couse it feels like those kids are making it harder for other young and polite players to get accepted by the older players. So im just wondering, if i decides to buy AoC, will ppl just laugh at me when i ask if i can join their group becouse im 15, or do i have the same possibilities as all the grow ups?
(Sorry if my spelling makes you guys sick :P)
And if anyone wants a good example of how "mature" Hajen is, check out the post here called "Death?", in which he posts about how he wants dismemberment in PvP. He will be the kid screaming about how mature he is and we should group with him, and then flood the shout channel with spam about "ZOMG!!! I TOTALLY KUT THAT DOODS HED OFFF!!!!!!"
Yeah, may have expressed myself a little "childish"... What i really meant was that i wanted to see dismembrant in pvp, becouse i think it would be fun, not becouse i wanted an excuse to be shouting "ZOMG!!! I TOTALLY KUT THAT DOODS HED OFFF!!!!!!"
How can it be unmature to be looking forward to something?
i really dun like people saying all this nonsense. i really like kids and most r mature enough and r respectful and like to help, like 12 or 13's up. i mean wouldnt u play a game like this wen u were a kid if u could? most the annoying ones r like 7 lol... the others can be quite fun... not all kids r bad, i mean i like kids.
o 1 more thing is this p2p or f2p i cant figure out but im guessing p2p since its so good=)
what do you guys that don't want "kiddies" playing your game think about AOC now being on console? you do realize that if they pull this off and the people on console are allowed to play with people on PC, then the "kiddies" are sure to be all over the place?right?
personally, i don't mind....i wont be caring about the community to much in AOC, could it be any worse than wow? if i can take wow i can take anything!
Its not that kids are bad or imature its how they are raised amd what they think they can get away with. Almost every game has a "Terms of Use" where you cant cure, make fun of people, ect. A ton of people dont lsten to it and basicle do what ever they want. You acn alwasy report them by by taking a screenshot and then emailing it to the games admins or whoever. SOme 13 yrs olds+ can be cool and mature. I mean im 13 run a guild in Guild Wars that is big and still growing. But then again im mature at my age and qrite game reviews for my website. Any game you go to there will be little brats like that or imature 30 yr old people in there moms basement. We just have to deal with them. As for a 18+ game. It would lose a LOT of business because a lot of people between the ages of 13-18 who play MMO's.
Originally posted by jerryharvey5 Its not that kids are bad or imature its how they are raised amd what they think they can get away with. Almost every game has a "Terms of Use" where you cant cure, make fun of people, ect. A ton of people dont lsten to it and basicle do what ever they want. You acn alwasy report them by by taking a screenshot and then emailing it to the games admins or whoever. SOme 13 yrs olds+ can be cool and mature. I mean im 13 run a guild in Guild Wars that is big and still growing. But then again im mature at my age and qrite game reviews for my website. Any game you go to there will be little brats like that or imature 30 yr old people in there moms basement. We just have to deal with them. As for a 18+ game. It would lose a LOT of business because a lot of people between the ages of 13-18 who play MMO's.
With age comes wisdom and maturity. I don't care how someone who says they are 13 and are more mature then someone who's older... they have not even lived no where as long as say someone who's 26. I once was on a guild who had a young leader like yourself... and I quit the next day since he demanded me to be on all the time... yet I was twice his age and actually WORKED.
Therefor, it doesn't matter how mature you act, it's actual LIFE experience that shines through.
Originally posted by qotsa Originally posted by VixenHeart
Therefor, it doesn't matter how mature you act, it's actual LIFE experience that shines through.
I bet by the time I was 13 I had more life experience than you ever will.
Okay. Were you married and divorced with two children by 22? Don't be an assclown... I'm not talking about getting hit by cars, or going through a family divorce.
What could of been so hard for you at 13? Please... I and everyone else is waiting to hear this poor life story you had when you were just a tadpole.
I'm just saying that I won't take orders from a 13 year old child... I don't personally care how hard you think your life is, there's no way you have the experience in LIFE that a 25 or 30 year would.
You couldn't even drive... so why should anyone take order in a guild or in life from a child. It's the adults that are suppose to help the children through life.
Originally posted by VixenHeart Okay. Were you married and divorced with two children by 22? Don't be an assclown... I'm not talking about getting hit by cars, or going through a family divorce. What could of been so hard for you at 13? Please... I and everyone else is waiting to hear this poor life story you had when you were just a tadpole. I'm just saying that I won't take orders from a 13 year old child... I don't personally care how hard you think your life is, there's no way you have the experience in LIFE that a 25 or 30 year would. You couldn't even drive... so why should anyone take order in a guild or in life from a child. It's the adults that are suppose to help the children through life.
What have i been through. My moms drug adiction, my grandpops heart attack, my others heart problems because his doctor mesed up his pricription, Broke 4 bones, bit by a dog twice, my dads 8 yr relationship ending, my Uncle, great gradmom, Cousins, and others dying, and My dads roomate dying of a herione OD and some other stuff. I might never have driven been married or had kids and have not been through as much shit as you but I have been through some stuff.
Originally posted by jerryharvey5 Originally posted by VixenHeart Okay. Were you married and divorced with two children by 22? Don't be an assclown... I'm not talking about getting hit by cars, or going through a family divorce. What could of been so hard for you at 13? Please... I and everyone else is waiting to hear this poor life story you had when you were just a tadpole. I'm just saying that I won't take orders from a 13 year old child... I don't personally care how hard you think your life is, there's no way you have the experience in LIFE that a 25 or 30 year would. You couldn't even drive... so why should anyone take order in a guild or in life from a child. It's the adults that are suppose to help the children through life. What have i been through. My moms drug adiction, my grandpops heart attack, my others heart problems because his doctor mesed up his pricription, Broke 4 bones, bit by a dog twice, my dads 8 yr relationship ending, my Uncle, great gradmom, Cousins, and others dying, and My dads roomate dying of a herione OD and some other stuff. I might never have driven been married or had kids and have not been through as much shit as you but I have been through some stuff.
ROFL! i am not laughing at what happened to you, but the argument is just funny....im sure everyone can post their sob story of what has happened to them.
and its not what has happened to a person that makes them "mature" the important question is "have they learned from it?
i know of a guy that has gone through alot in his life, he basically had to grow up at age 11....today he is in prison because he still never learned from any of his mistakes.
no my friend, going trough ruff times at a early age doesn't make you mature, how you decide to react and learn from those things happening to you is the important thing.
also, one can assume that a person that has had a very sheltered life could be brought up to Be very respectable and mature at a very young age, even if nothing bad or challenging has ever happened in their life.
i think it has alot to do with how the parents raise them, its has alot more to do with it than how many bad things happened to you in your life IMHO.
and its not what has happened to a person that makes them "mature" the important question is "have they learned from it?
I totaly agree too. Its just I hate it when people complain about what they have been through. I mean come on now. every1 has been through something and i really dont care. Another fine post was what the guy said about how ppl react to it. I mean i am not mature at times but at least i know when i am not. most ppl think its normal and thats how ppl act like most black at my school. *(Im not being racist. this is just how most of them are in my school)*anyway they act like being "gangsta" is cool. I mean what is cool about being runde acting imature and raping which is just poetry all the time. it is funny sometimes when they talk back to teachers but they just get anoying so fast. And the whole im from the streets thing like 50 cent is so god dam anoying. who ever likes 50 cent and all rapers is gay.
Originally posted by VixenHeart Originally posted by qotsa Originally posted by VixenHeart
Therefor, it doesn't matter how mature you act, it's actual LIFE experience that shines through.
I bet by the time I was 13 I had more life experience than you ever will.
Okay. Were you married and divorced with two children by 22? Don't be an assclown... I'm not talking about getting hit by cars, or going through a family divorce.
What could of been so hard for you at 13? Please... I and everyone else is waiting to hear this poor life story you had when you were just a tadpole.
I'm just saying that I won't take orders from a 13 year old child... I don't personally care how hard you think your life is, there's no way you have the experience in LIFE that a 25 or 30 year would.
You couldn't even drive... so why should anyone take order in a guild or in life from a child. It's the adults that are suppose to help the children through life.
Despite how hard someones own life is, you can never assume its harder then someone else's, especially someone you dont know. And just because someone is young doesnt mean they havnt expierenced any hardships in the short time they have been alive. Both of you speak as if your lives were so much harder then the others, yet you dont know each other, or what the other has been through. And anyone who knows about hardships knows that you cant make someone understand how hard it was just simply by telling them. Anyway, if theres anything to learn. Its that anyone can have it rough, no matter there age. And theres so many different things in the world that can happen to a person, you could never know what its like for someone else.
Well, i could go on for days, but im sure people have more important things they'd rather be doing!
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ALSO TRUE. BUT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE GETTING ARRESTED ON COPS ARE BLACK SO IS IT OK FOR US TO NOT MOVE INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE MOST PPL THERE ARE BLACK?
I SAY YES, IM NOT RACIST. BUT AS FAR AS I KNO IM MORE LIKELY TO GET ROBBED THAT WAY. JUST LIKE IT WOULD BE OK FOR SOMEONE TO NOT WANT TO PLAY AOC BECAUSE THERES GOING TO BE ALOT OF KIDS THERE
PS: (IM 17 CAUCASIAN)
ALSO TRUE. BUT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE GETTING ARRESTED ON COPS ARE BLACK SO IS IT OK FOR US TO NOT MOVE INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE MOST PPL THERE ARE BLACK?
I SAY YES, IM NOT RACIST. BUT AS FAR AS I KNO IM MORE LIKELY TO GET ROBBED THAT WAY. JUST LIKE IT WOULD BE OK FOR SOMEONE TO NOT WANT TO PLAY AOC BECAUSE THERES GOING TO BE ALOT OF KIDS THERE
PS: (IM 17 CAUCASIAN)
Nice, a kid and a racist. You know, the first thing a racist tends to say is "I'm not racist, but..." This is not a very good comparison. How does people not liking to play with immature (and racist) kids the same thing as a stereotype that damages people on a fundamental level? All you did, was make yourself look ignorant.
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
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Wanker.
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u can call me racist all u want "But you dont kno me." (quote from jerry springer)
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and i didnt make myself look ignorant to anyone who isnt ignorant.
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If the parents of these children actually monitored the games they play and set limits on how long one child could play, then I believe that a lot of MMORPGs could/would be different.
We all know that there are a few games (World of Warcraft and Guild Wars) that the community is so horrible with "1337 kiddies" and people just being obnoxious, yet when you try to talk to these people, these are the same people who will leap out and start bashing you because they think YOU'RE in the wrong and not them.
I believe that the "Mature" rating will be like the HOLY GRAIL for children. It's not like parents even know what an "ESRB" rating is. So these children (and some adults) will pester their parents to the point that they cave in and buy the game for their kids.
Lets just hope that the "Mature" rating does more good then harm in the long run.
As a young and wild lil nublet, I was always attracted to the M rated games and the R rated movies. Simply because my parents tried to keep me away from it. So whenever I was at my friends or when my parents were away or not paying attention, I would sneak and play/watch them anyways, finally it got to the point my parents got tried of trying to censor me from all of that good stuff so it just happend to end up in my favor. I highly doubt that most parents are going to censor their kids from M rated games, with all the crap out there nowadays there isn't any real reason to hide it, 90% of the games out there involve some type of killing anyways so most parents aren't really going to know the difference between a game like WoW & AoC. It's just another game to them. The only way to stop little kids from coming in the game and ruining the mature intelligent player economy we all want, would be for FunCom to take an action somehow, and any requirements/restrictions they add to block out little kids is going to cause less subscriptions to their game in their eyes. So in other words, you can try to make a great a game, or you can try to make a game to make money, every developer is in business to make money, they are not going to stop anyone who wants to give them money from doing so. Nothings perfect.
Well, i agree with you somewhat. But i dont agree all online games should be rated Mature.
True, that people do swear and insult other people, in games that allow it. But you cant swear in every game.
Some games dont allow it. And by dont allow swearing, i mean you litterally are unable to do it.
Like in ragnarok online, if you try to swear or use a swear word in your sentence at all, it wont be shown.
Not just the word wont be shown, but the whole sentence, you'll just get a message saying. "Yeah, i dont think so" And im sure there are other games that have similar methods of preventing swearing.
So you see some games will take steps to back up there rating as best as they can.
So not all games should be rated M, just cause of the fact that your playing with other people.
"people can be controlled"!!!!!
I beleive the mature rating is just protecting them from the massive amounts of killing this game will have. And DeserttFoxx is right.
In every sport and anything that deals with competition there's always going to be smack talk... most people know that it comes with the game, but some people tend to take it to the next level and try to actually do damage to another person.
That's why there's an /ignore feature built into most games.
And if anyone wants a good example of how "mature" Hajen is, check out the post here called "Death?", in which he posts about how he wants dismemberment in PvP. He will be the kid screaming about how mature he is and we should group with him, and then flood the shout channel with spam about "ZOMG!!! I TOTALLY KUT THAT DOODS HED OFFF!!!!!!"
Yeah, may have expressed myself a little "childish"... What i really meant was that i wanted to see dismembrant in pvp, becouse i think it would be fun, not becouse i wanted an excuse to be shouting "ZOMG!!! I TOTALLY KUT THAT DOODS HED OFFF!!!!!!"
How can it be unmature to be looking forward to something?
i really dun like people saying all this nonsense. i really like kids and most r mature enough and r respectful and like to help, like 12 or 13's up. i mean wouldnt u play a game like this wen u were a kid if u could? most the annoying ones r like 7 lol... the others can be quite fun... not all kids r bad, i mean i like kids.
o 1 more thing is this p2p or f2p i cant figure out but im guessing p2p since its so good=)
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what do you guys that don't want "kiddies" playing your game think about AOC now being on console? you do realize that if they pull this off and the people on console are allowed to play with people on PC, then the "kiddies" are sure to be all over the place?right?
personally, i don't mind....i wont be caring about the community to much in AOC, could it be any worse than wow? if i can take wow i can take anything!
With age comes wisdom and maturity. I don't care how someone who says they are 13 and are more mature then someone who's older... they have not even lived no where as long as say someone who's 26. I once was on a guild who had a young leader like yourself... and I quit the next day since he demanded me to be on all the time... yet I was twice his age and actually WORKED.
Therefor, it doesn't matter how mature you act, it's actual LIFE experience that shines through.
Okay. Were you married and divorced with two children by 22? Don't be an assclown... I'm not talking about getting hit by cars, or going through a family divorce.
What could of been so hard for you at 13? Please... I and everyone else is waiting to hear this poor life story you had when you were just a tadpole.
I'm just saying that I won't take orders from a 13 year old child... I don't personally care how hard you think your life is, there's no way you have the experience in LIFE that a 25 or 30 year would.
You couldn't even drive... so why should anyone take order in a guild or in life from a child. It's the adults that are suppose to help the children through life.
ROFL! i am not laughing at what happened to you, but the argument is just funny....im sure everyone can post their sob story of what has happened to them.
and its not what has happened to a person that makes them "mature" the important question is "have they learned from it?
i know of a guy that has gone through alot in his life, he basically had to grow up at age 11....today he is in prison because he still never learned from any of his mistakes.
no my friend, going trough ruff times at a early age doesn't make you mature, how you decide to react and learn from those things happening to you is the important thing.
also, one can assume that a person that has had a very sheltered life could be brought up to Be very respectable and mature at a very young age, even if nothing bad or challenging has ever happened in their life.
i think it has alot to do with how the parents raise them, its has alot more to do with it than how many bad things happened to you in your life IMHO.
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Okay. Were you married and divorced with two children by 22? Don't be an assclown... I'm not talking about getting hit by cars, or going through a family divorce.
What could of been so hard for you at 13? Please... I and everyone else is waiting to hear this poor life story you had when you were just a tadpole.
I'm just saying that I won't take orders from a 13 year old child... I don't personally care how hard you think your life is, there's no way you have the experience in LIFE that a 25 or 30 year would.
You couldn't even drive... so why should anyone take order in a guild or in life from a child. It's the adults that are suppose to help the children through life.
Despite how hard someones own life is, you can never assume its harder then someone else's, especially someone you dont know. And just because someone is young doesnt mean they havnt expierenced any hardships in the short time they have been alive.
Both of you speak as if your lives were so much harder then the others, yet you dont know each other, or what the other has been through. And anyone who knows about hardships knows that you cant make someone understand how hard it was just simply by telling them.
Anyway, if theres anything to learn. Its that anyone can have it rough, no matter there age.
And theres so many different things in the world that can happen to a person, you could never know what its like for someone else.
Well, i could go on for days, but im sure people have more important things they'd rather be doing!