Originally posted by Zorvan I'd like to make a statement concerning the ramblings of Avayat.
Thank you for this post, Zorvan. I've been trying to articulate my feelings about Avayat's posts as well, and you hit the nail right on the head and saved me the trouble. At this point I just skip his posts completely, as I see no merit in his opinion. He seems far more interested in being contrary and starting flame wars than actually just stating his option and having a legitimate debate.
Originally posted by Zorvan ,,,,,,,,,,<snipped>. We know that there will always be a need to hunt down a few bugs in a game at the start. We also know that any mmo where you have to HUNT DOWN THE GAME IN THE BUGS is totally assinine and an insult to our intelligence as customers. So please, ,,,,,,<snipped>
BWAHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA AWESOME!!!!! This belongs in the classic quotes! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA Touche' Zorvan!
Originally posted by Zorvan I'd like to make a statement concerning the ramblings of Avayat. All through your lengthy comments, the only thing you seem to be able to compare DnL to is SWG. Now, I find the mess that SOE made with SWG as deplorable as anyone else, but if I'm not mistaken people were happy with the game at launch for the most part. It didn't become flamebait until after they decided to do everything that the players aked them not to do. From what I see, DnL can't get things to work whether the players want 'em or not after years of *ahem* development. My problem with your posts however lies in the fact that this seems to be the only game you seem to be able to compare DnL to in order to justify DnL being a worthwhile game to play. I am therefore convinced, and you may prove me wrong if you can, that you have a very limited playing experience in the realm of mmorpg's. It would therefore seem to me that any points you make in defence of, or even against, DnL are in fact moot compared to those of us that have been playing these games for many, many years and know what we are to expect from any mmo worth its salt at launch or anywhere before and after. Alot of us have been here from the days of UO's first beckoning call to our imagination. We know that no game is perfect at launch. We know that there will always be a need to hunt down a few bugs in a game at the start. We also know that any mmo where you have to HUNT DOWN THE GAME IN THE BUGS is totally assinine and an insult to our intelligence as customers. So please, when you can actually show an amount of experience with mmo's warranting credibility to your opinions of what is good and what is not, please do not expect us to hold any value when you try to hold up a turd as a rose. And, as always, this is just my opinion and you may take it anyway you like. I really am not flaming you, I am just stating what I have garnered from what you have shown in your time here.
As for having played many many games, I have... I have played since I was about 10 years old... that's roughly 20+ years ago. I even have programmed games myself and build up a mud engine (altough it never got finished tho, because the whole ASCII thing became 'old-fashioned')
And if you truely would not just skim my post as the other poster in this thread mentioned, you can also see that I have compared it with Eve (with depth) and with Wow (lesser extend). Other then that, MMOs didn capture my interest long enough to warrant a continuous payment except for Eve and SWG. But I do have experience for short periods in several MMOs and even MMOs not on this list because they have a different rating.
But again, knowing others experience bugs in normal gameplay is something completely different then not experiencing those bugs yourself. And my point here is that people are actually flaming me for having a DIFFERENT experience with this game then they do.
That is frankly what disgusts me and keeps me even more vocal then I'd otherwise be. And as it is, after a completely fruitless discussion with some person, I totally lost interest in sharing my thoughts in this community.
IT's unfortunate for those who I actually had some nice conversation with (you guys/girls know who you are) the others bring down the maturity level of these forums below zero. And I can spedn my time better (read in game in DnL or other MMOs that I do play).
So, speaking of Adams... So long and thanks for the fish.
IT's unfortunate for those who I actually had some nice conversation with (you guys/girls know who you are) the others bring down the maturity level of these forums below zero. And I can spedn my time better (read in game in DnL or other MMOs that I do play).
So, speaking of Adams... So long and thanks for the fish.
convo gets too hot and he says Adios. Remind you of anyone else who posts in the same pompous manner?
I can only agree with the original poster. DnL is a waste of time and money. It'll die a MMOG death - just like all the other failed MMOGs. Don't bother investing time in it, bankruptcy of Farlan/NP3 is inevitable.
IT's unfortunate for those who I actually had some nice conversation with (you guys/girls know who you are) the others bring down the maturity level of these forums below zero. And I can spedn my time better (read in game in DnL or other MMOs that I do play).
So, speaking of Adams... So long and thanks for the fish.
So that's how you're able to enjoy DnL. You read while you're logged in
(Sorry, just couldn't help myself. You know....low maturity level and what not.)
WOW! some real big heat in here. Hopefully Avayat is still lingering around reading the posts that come in because I wil lgive my piece to him in a second. However, I would like my first post to be directed to the community of posters here:
Originally posted by Dabble Sorry, but I am sure this Avayat has been employed to post here for damage control. Sure he has said he has had problems with the game. Otherwise it wouldn't be a beliveable rouse. Please do not pay attention to this poster. He is obviously shilling for the game. The reason why I look through the various forums on this site is the same reason, I am sure, many of you do too. To get other people impressions about the available and up-coming games. These shills are hurting the community here. It is important for these forums to help us all with purchasing decisions and to get an idea of what is good and bad out there. Shills like Avayat can potentially ruin the community here. Please don't give them any credence.
I really am shocked that some of you can flame people like this. Absolutely apalling to be inconsiderate enough and immature to go to such lengths as to dirve someone out because of their opinions. I seriously hope you guys get some sense into your heads cause right now I can see why they made a "We hate SOE" thread. This is a discussion forum, and if you drive everyone else out who doesnt agree with you, who will be there to discuss and debate with? Thats right, no one. Go sit in a corner somewhere fools. And you know who you are.
Id like to apologize to Avayat if hes still lurking around with all the flaming. Shits like these must gather around to these threads like bears to honey.
Originally posted by Avayat- What I don't get is, why not buy this game?
I can come up with only a few answers: 1. It's not WoW-like: no easy kill-loot-rinse-repeat game. There are tactics involved and brains. 2. Yes, there are issues (FPS problem for a lot, but if you read forum, there are plenty of tips how to improve; even so, it's acknowledged there is a problem and being worked on). So if you work with the community chances are high it's not even an issue anymore. 3. Yes, there are bugs (ever seen any MMO come to live (or any other software package for that matter) without any bugs/problems/issues? I haven't. Consider SWG for example: still after 2 overhauls, a 3rd is coming while there are still bugs from the BETA almost 3 years ago... 4. It seems they are not working to fix things. This is a complete wrong assumption. Yesterday (monday) there were 2 patches. Compare this to other games... For a small company doing 2 patches in one day gives some idea how much effort they put in to get the most broken stuff fixed asap. 5. Feedback is slow. I admit that. But eventually there *is* feedback... Compare to a big company like SOE: what communication?
It's an initial price of about 50$ isn't it (I'm pioneer, so I don't know what it is right now). Then you can choose for a FREE subscription... Yes... I repeat FREE... Some content won't be available, but if you read some STICKIED post on the DnL forum it's explained why you don't need a payed subscription just yet.
I think most of these people here are annoyed and trying to undermine a growing game with a lot of potential. It just needs some more time.
Personally, this game has more content and depth then WoW/SWG and GW combined! It might be topped only by EVE 2nd Genesis by complexity.
Okay Avayat, I have to say that one of the reasons why you probably made some people attack you is your reasoning. Reading a couple of your other posts its kinda off. You really need to re-read/edit your posts (I always do, just in case if i wrote something that doesnt make any sense or spelling) and to really think of what your talking about. Think of what your saying. I have not played DNL, but I have seen videos, read inerviews, and especially tracked the forums on this game. You are right that this game has alot of potential; but like some fellow posters here have said, its really all that it has. In response to your numbering -
1. From what Ive seen and heard its even a more boring grind with quests that dont even make any sense. As for some of the more interesting "politics" aspect, yes that is more complex - but its not in the game. So its not there. You can say things have potential, but if it isnt there, then it doesnt have it. Plain and simple. And that goes to my later point about releasing this game, I will get to it in a second.
2. 6-8 FPS in town and 10-12 outside. And you needed to change your whole system for it? Come on Avayat, use your "common sense". Something is not right with thise game, even if you could call it that. Ive rarely heard of and FPS this horrible in a game before. And thats only one of the issues you stated, how about the countless others? You cant just say "let the devs fix it" because if they havent even finished the game yet, how will they fix the problems with your performance?
3. Of course there are bugs in every MMO that came out. But I cant say that ive heard of one single MMO that had this many bugs in it and simply uncompleted areas of the game when released. Your comparing it to SWG - guess what? SWG Is the laughingstock of the MMO genre. It has been manhandeled by one of the most notorious gaming companies. Not only that, but the other poster is correct - it is gamestopping bugs that dont allow you to play the game. No matter how much you try to twist the argument, it is still there. They still stop you from playing the game, and Farlan doesnt have the best track record.
4. 2 patches in an incomplete game? Wow good job Farlan! Who says that they did 2 patches in one day? They could have been doing it for a week and then released both of them simultaneously to give the effect that theyre working hard. Not only that but patches can be unhealthy for a game and bug it up even more. Im not going to bother arguging this any further Avayat, use your common sense. Im trusting you man. Think!
5. You cannot compare SWG/SOE to DNL, SOE is way bigger and it works differently. DNL has such a small fanbase and therefore....they dont need reps, which actually makes me laugh if you think about it. If SWG and a couple other minor games are all that you have expierienced, then maybe no wonder why you love this game so much. Play WoW, or DAOC which are two solid games in my opnion. Polished, well done, with decent CSR service.
So the game first of all isnt free, you have to pay 50 bucks for it. Bing, 50 dollars from my wallet I could have spent on something more useful and fun. The free subscription and you state is free of course. However, there is a level cap, in which you didnt not even bother to read. Are you up there? Youve made other posts on here and I hope you put more sense into them. You need to BUY for credits, meaning shelf out money to Farlan. The level cap comment is even in little tiny print. Can it get any more obvious theyre conning you?
Okay here is where Farlan really ticks me off. They released what they call a "game" when it is really just a piece of stinking crap. Its practically NOT a game, theyre here to con you, look at the little teeny letters at the bottom, look at the game, look at the bugs, the patches. You even say everyone took a gamble. I DONT WANT TO TAKE A GAMBLE ON A GAME IM GOING TO BUY. It doesnt work like that. Its something called QUALITY CONTROL. Games like these ruin this genre that really is a great genre. Its stupid idiot companies that churn out these pieces of shit called games that ruin this genre. And then they make you PAY for it. PAY for a beta test, just like SWG and SOE.
Farlan is like a little wannabe SOE, but even SOE has redeemable qualities that Farlan doesnt have. SOE also cons people much better with much more skill. You could say SOE has done worse, but its really done with more finesse. Both companies have the ONE SINGULAR thing in mind. Thats right, money. Whether you like it or not, no matter how much you attempt to twist the argument, Farlan is making you PAY for it either with a full subscription to an incomplete game or a free sub forcing you to buy credits to have access to areas that are....bugged and incomplete. Again, this game doesnt top SWG and WoW with its complexity becuase none of it has been implemented yet. People here are annoyed, but theyre not here to undermine a game. Theyre here to warn other people of the crimes that Farlan has committed and spread the word to simply not buy it. This has been going on ever since people have started trading.
Have respect for yourself, Avayat. Have respect for other gamers and customers. Look at the quality. If a gaming company releases a game that is incomplete, then we shouldnt pay. Just like if I have my lawn cut by a service and they only cut half of it, am I going to pay them? No way. Your just hurting yourself and even other people to an extent by supporting a game that simply is unfinished. This isnt JUST an argument about MMO's this is an argument of quality control. If I get my bacon cheese hamburger at Chili's cold and uncooked, Im going to send it back and not pay a cent. why? becuase it really isnt a meal, its a pile of crap. Just like this game. Have some respect for yourself and for others. Reading a book while you play a game? Come on man, that just sounds sad.
I really feel sorry for you if you have nothing better to do with your life than play a game as crappy as this while reading a book. Really.
Sincerely,
Dr. Steelarm
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Steelarm, Doctor of MMO gaming, ethics, and ideas.
That post by Dr. Steelarm was spot on! I wholeheartedly agree on every point. I am one of the people ripped-off by Farlan and I can only hope these warings will spare others from my fate.
I am certain that a better game could have been developed by trained apes and even if this stinking pile of manure that tries to pass itself off as a MMORPG was free, I would still not torture myself by playing it.
Originally posted by Cholayna Originally posted by Avayat-
IT's unfortunate for those who I actually had some nice conversation with (you guys/girls know who you are) the others bring down the maturity level of these forums below zero. And I can spedn my time better (read in game in DnL or other MMOs that I do play).
So, speaking of Adams... So long and thanks for the fish.
convo gets too hot and he says Adios. Remind you of anyone else who posts in the same pompous manner?
Convo doesnt' get hot at all. I have come to the conclusion you and others like you just don't want to hear about people having any good experiences, because it doesn't fit your ideas about the game that can only be a complete and utter waste, it should be completely unplayable (so heaven forbid there ARE people able to having fun with it) and all that kind of crap more (yes, first time I used the word crap, make note of it)...
I'm just better of leaving MMORPG forums alltogether and concentrate on playing Ryzom, DnL, scripting and developing inside 2nd life which has gotten my interest and looking out for LoTRo and STO.
Originally posted by Avayat- As for having played many many games, I have... I have played since I was about 10 years old... that's roughly 20+ years ago. wow, what games were out online 20+ years ago? I even have programmed games myself and build up a mud engine (altough it never got finished tho, because the whole ASCII thing became 'old-fashioned') ahhh so therein lies your acceptance of the outdated stuff in DNL. And if you truely would not just skim my post as the other poster in this thread mentioned, you can also see that I have compared it with Eve (with depth) and with Wow (lesser extend). Other then that, MMOs didn capture my interest long enough to warrant a continuous payment except for Eve and SWG. But I do have experience for short periods in several MMOs and even MMOs not on this list because they have a different rating. Whats the rating got to do with the list of the games you have played? Seems to me you are taking examples from others peoples post more so than your own experience in other than SWG. I could be wrong, hey have been before, Im just saying that it appears that way, and especially if you have been playing mmo's for over 20 years - thats amazing, I dont ever remember seeing a mmo come out until ,,,,oh,,,max 10 years ago?
But again, knowing others experience bugs in normal gameplay is something completely different then not experiencing those bugs yourself. And my point here is that people are actually flaming me for having a DIFFERENT experience with this game then they do. No one is flaming you for your differing experience. Read over the entire thread and I would have to say its your attitude. You seem to not want to believe THEIR experiences. After 16 pages of "this game is bad' on your own forums, a gamesite review, and the ratings here and at Gamestop, its very hard to relate to your attitude in that you want someone desperately to believe all those posts, sites and ratings are simply not true. On top of that you wish to imply a serious intellect lack in those that have had a bad experience. Take a look at your own posts and you may just understand why you got "flamed". That is frankly what disgusts me and keeps me even more vocal then I'd otherwise be. And as it is, after a completely fruitless discussion with some person, I totally lost interest in sharing my thoughts in this community. So why do you keep coming back and saying the same thing each time? Buddy, seems to me you Ask for the flaming simply by this little demonstration in that last comment.
IT's unfortunate for those who I actually had some nice conversation with (you guys/girls know who you are) the others bring down the maturity level of these forums below zero. And I can spedn my time better (read in game in DnL or other MMOs that I do play).
So, speaking of Adams... So long and thanks for the fish.
Originally posted by Avayat- Convo doesnt' get hot at all. I have come to the conclusion you and others like you just don't want to hear about people having any good experiences, because it doesn't fit your ideas about the game that can only be a complete and utter waste, it should be completely unplayable (so heaven forbid there ARE people able to having fun with it) and all that kind of crap more (yes, first time I used the word crap, make note of it)...
I'm just better of leaving MMORPG forums alltogether and concentrate on playing Ryzom, DnL, scripting and developing inside 2nd life which has gotten my interest and looking out for LoTRo and STO.
LOL Man do you have one hell of an ego! You insult ppl, spread your Im intellectually far and away better than the likes of you speeches, honestly believe ppl care enough to notice whether you used the word crap or not and still you come back and continue with your own flames.
To have a discussion, as you would dearly love to see here, in your version would be the exact same thing you are saying to other ppl. Why end a conversation when things get sticky for you with a tantrum and come back and do it again?
many of the posters here are in fact very good conversationalist. Im not one of them but I have seen many good discussions with respect on both sides. Thats the idea you dont seem to get., Come in with a chip on your shoulder, disrespect ppl and youre gonna get dissed back. Simple man. Respect that these ppl have NOT had a great experience, REspect that these ppl wish to voice that disappointment, Respect that many players here are in fact still in game (ME!) and still do have very bad bad things to say about it. REspect them, you will get respect back. Treat them like they are dirt, they are gonna more than show you just how far down that dirt goes.
Originally posted by LilBoPeep Originally posted by Avayat- As for having played many many games, I have... I have played since I was about 10 years old... that's roughly 20+ years ago. wow, what games were out online 20+ years ago? This is exactly what I've been talking about... The utter ignorance of other peoples experience. Why the hell do you even question this if you don't have a clue what you're talking about. One hint: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetHack I even have programmed games myself and build up a mud engine (altough it never got finished tho, because the whole ASCII thing became 'old-fashioned') ahhh so therein lies your acceptance of the outdated stuff in DNL. Outdated? Get real. Not everyone is into the same stuff now-adays people seem to like (manga) but that's a generations perogative. Except and respect that people's taste change over time. You again show disrespect.
And if you truely would not just skim my post as the other poster in this thread mentioned, you can also see that I have compared it with Eve (with depth) and with Wow (lesser extend). Other then that, MMOs didn capture my interest long enough to warrant a continuous payment except for Eve and SWG. But I do have experience for short periods in several MMOs and even MMOs not on this list because they have a different rating. Whats the rating got to do with the list of the games you have played? Seems to me you are taking examples from others peoples post more so than your own experience in other than SWG. I could be wrong, hey have been before, Im just saying that it appears that way, and especially if you have been playing mmo's for over 20 years - thats amazing, I dont ever remember seeing a mmo come out until ,,,,oh,,,max 10 years ago?
You don't even read very well do you?
But again, knowing others experience bugs in normal gameplay is something completely different then not experiencing those bugs yourself. And my point here is that people are actually flaming me for having a DIFFERENT experience with this game then they do. No one is flaming you for your differing experience. Read over the entire thread and I would have to say its your attitude. You seem to not want to believe THEIR experiences. After 16 pages of "this game is bad' on your own forums, a gamesite review, and the ratings here and at Gamestop, its very hard to relate to your attitude in that you want someone desperately to believe all those posts, sites and ratings are simply not true. On top of that you wish to imply a serious intellect lack in those that have had a bad experience. Take a look at your own posts and you may just understand why you got "flamed" Point out where I do NOT believe THEIR experiences. I explain what MY experiences are. When they come up with other examples, I put my experiences in their too, showing a different picture. Still, people keep repeating themselves over and over again, like a broken record. As for your other remarks, I don't even feel myself compelled to answer them.
That is frankly what disgusts me and keeps me even more vocal then I'd otherwise be. And as it is, after a completely fruitless discussion with some person, I totally lost interest in sharing my thoughts in this community. So why do you keep coming back and saying the same thing each time? Buddy, seems to me you Ask for the flaming simply by this little demonstration in that last comment.
I'm not. I stoped yesterday afternoon. Read again. I'm not saying anything anymore about the ideas I have about DnL for that simple reason. I rather play it.
You Avayat have just been caught in your own trap. You were abusive, insulting and disrespectful. Your last paragraph contradicts your own statements. I would have to say to you leave the "hatebois" alone and you will not have to be disgusted anylonger. You are a mass of emotions that contradict the very words you say. Your responses to a decent posted opinion is quite telling. You proved the poster point very well.
Originally posted by TamValon You Avayat have just been caught in your own trap. You were abusive, insulting and disrespectful. Your last paragraph contradicts your own statements. I would have to say to you leave the "hatebois" alone and you will not have to be disgusted anylonger. You are a mass of emotions that contradict the very words you say. Your responses to a decent posted opinion is quite telling. You proved the poster point very well.
WOW TamValon, took the words right outta my mouth.
There's no point to trashing a game, other than to say "Hey I had a Helping hand in its Demise - I'm Famous"!!!!
Get a fekkin Life!!!
Whereas I, myself a, far from a Gameboi "I too have my reservations about DnL", You don't see me "warnning" people to stay away.
It is upto each & every individual to decide for themselves, weather they think its tripe or ont & you simply don't have the rite to "tell" people what they will or will not play.
As it is, DnL has got a lot of potential & I dare you to state one recent release that hasn't had issues at laubch...!!!
With the new generation of games arriving, all of which are based on utterly Gigantic Worlds, I am quite sure that all of these will have a huge ammount of issues too at launch.
Darkfall I predict, will be just as buggy at launch & so too, will Vanguard & Age of Conan.
The bigget & more complex the game world, the more bugs. Simple as that.
So what would you suggest? Everyone go back to Pissworthy old games like UO & WoW?
Originally posted by Boba_Fettish If you don't like a game, why trash it to others? To let them know of the lies and bs trying to be played on them. Case in point: http://darkandlight.net/forums/showthread.php?t=8475&page=3&pp=20 NEORAPSTA: lol, if people want to cheat, they can vote 10 for DnL and then 1 for the others NEORAPSTA: lol, if people want to cheat, they can vote 10 for DnL and then 1 for the others You get it now? Really, whats the reason? the one above ^^^ is just one example. You could also include the review by this gaming site: You can read the full review here: http://www.jeuxvideo.com/articles/0000/00006620_test.htm then wade through the bs again spouted by Farlan and gang. There's no point to trashing a game, other than to say "Hey I had a Helping hand in its Demise - I'm Famous"!!!! hmmm, never thot of that..will put it on the list though, 'kay? Get a fekkin Life!!! As opposed to flaming the flamers huh? Whereas I, myself a, far from a Gameboi "I too have my reservations about DnL", You don't see me "warnning" people to stay away. Nope, you just trash the trashers! Good boy! It is upto each & every individual to decide for themselves, weather they think its tripe or ont & you simply don't have the rite to "tell" people what they will or will not play. The same as you dont have the right to tell ppl what to say, how to say it and what to do with their own lives. Telling ppl the TRUTH about a game is not harming them in the least. They get the information they need, both good and bad, to make an INFORMED decision. Allowing for the bs spewed and the obvious guerilla tactics of the devs and fanbois but NOT allowing for the ones that have been there done that is hardly allowing an individual to have an informed picture now is it? As it is, DnL has got a lot of potential & I dare you to state one recent release that hasn't had issues at laubch...!!! DD&O, RFO and AA. There, thats 3. NEAR PERFECT RELEASES! With the new generation of games arriving, all of which are based on utterly Gigantic Worlds, I am quite sure that all of these will have a huge ammount of issues too at launch. AHem,. I happen to be in TWO of the upcoming games beta right now and I can assure you BOTH games are in near perfect working order MONTHS IN ADVANCE of their debut release day. Its incredible what we will see in the next few months as well as the next 6-9 months. Darkfall I predict, will be just as buggy at launch & so too, will Vanguard & Age of Conan. So if you arent in these betas, what right, by your own assertion to this forum, your own post, your own words, what right do you have to already knock a game and to do so in the same low quality as DNL is so obvious now? The bigget & more complex the game world, the more bugs. Simple as that. BS. The bigger and more complex the game world, the more experienced, competent and able the team needs to be. Simple as that. So what would you suggest? Everyone go back to Pissworthy old games like UO & WoW? Dont think anyone anywhere in there has suggested that. But there you go with your own opinion forced upon us. Fact is, DNL is pissworthy enough for any game out there as it stands. No need for two toilets at the bottom. DNL has that one alllll by its little lonesome. And for good reason. Look at your own First Impressions thread. 16 pages of "hate". Do yourself a favor, take a chill pill and go back and read your own forums, flame them and let the love bug smother you in all its graciousness. All you will get here is the cold hard truth.
As it is, DnL has got a lot of potential & I dare you to state one recent release that hasn't had issues at laubch...!!!
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Who gives a fuck about potential? Potential is nothing. Potential is void until it becomes reality. Until then it's pure air, it's empty. It's a promise that can be broken anytime: and the devs have already broken many! You can talk of potential about anything. This retarded child has the potential to one day be able to write his name. That guy in a wheelchair has the potential to one day win a 100 m sprint against carl lewis. Potential is a useless word that means squat.
See all the games above? They had more than potential on release: they had features. They had content. That is far from being the case for the pos that is DnL.
This is an amazing game! The launch was painful.. A lot of delay. Some bugs. But the developers are some of the nicest I have ever been around. And AD who are paid by Dark and Light do an amazing job on moderating the forums, the irc channel and the game. As well as making great in game events. Man.. The world is amazing. Graphics are really good too. Sometimes a little lag. But, the developers are working on it. And the graphics is going to improve a lot!.. I can't wait till I see this game grow.. This is definitely worth my time. .. The possibilities are just enormeous. It's real breathing world! I created a guild.. Lots of people to recruit.. And we are doing great. Becoming better friends by the day.. I can't wait till we get our own Fort and start launching attacks at other guilds' forts.. It will be amazing. And all the Roleplaying events we can make.. It's going to be really great. Also.. This game has some pretty unique advancement access. Especially the Social axis. With which you can enter politics! You can become a baron, a duke.. Hell even a king! And this is not just a title.. You can control city guards.. You must give authorization for new guilds to create cities. And if you are the king. You have a complete army to control! This game is truly awesome. Hmm.. But a lot of things are being worked on at the moment. Some content is locked. But, many patches are coming and the developers are very hardworking and ambicious. They have been working on this game for 6 years. It's their life project. I expect a lot more to come from this game!! I believe in it.. And can definitely recommend this to other players out there. In time.. This will become the biggest MMORPG ever! With 100.000+ players on one server. Playing, interacting and oh my god.. Having so much fun!!
Originally posted by Avayat- Originally posted by LilBoPeep Originally posted by Avayat- As for having played many many games, I have... I have played since I was about 10 years old... that's roughly 20+ years ago. wow, what games were out online 20+ years ago? This is exactly what I've been talking about... The utter ignorance of other peoples experience. Why the hell do you even question this if you don't have a clue what you're talking about. One hint: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetHack What game was online in an mmo more than 20 years ago? Ignorance? Hardly. More than 20 years ago the internet was not as widely used as it is now. Hell not even 10 years ago. Cant think of any online mmo that was on that long ago. I can think back 10 years perhaps, but more than 20? holey moley, which game? That would be very interesting to know. I even have programmed games myself and build up a mud engine (altough it never got finished tho, because the whole ASCII thing became 'old-fashioned') ahhh so therein lies your acceptance of the outdated stuff in DNL. Outdated? Get real. Not everyone is into the same stuff now-adays people seem to like (manga) but that's a generations perogative. Except and respect that people's taste change over time. You again show disrespect. Show disrespect? pfft. It was a simple statement of which your own reply confirmed. The same stuff ppl seem to like now a day are the latest technology in better, bigger , clearer graphics and animations. Sorry you cant accept that time travels on old man..
Whats the rating got to do with the list of the games you have played? Seems to me you are taking examples from others peoples post more so than your own experience in other than SWG. I could be wrong, hey have been before, Im just saying that it appears that way, and especially if you have been playing mmo's for over 20 years - thats amazing, I dont ever remember seeing a mmo come out until ,,,,oh,,,max 10 years ago?
You don't even read very well do you? Showing your true colors man. ....
No one is flaming you for your differing experience. Read over the entire thread and I would have to say its your attitude. You seem to not want to believe THEIR experiences. After 16 pages of "this game is bad' on your own forums, a gamesite review, and the ratings here and at Gamestop, its very hard to relate to your attitude in that you want someone desperately to believe all those posts, sites and ratings are simply not true. On top of that you wish to imply a serious intellect lack in those that have had a bad experience. Take a look at your own posts and you may just understand why you got "flamed" Point out where I do NOT believe THEIR experiences. I explain what MY experiences are. You totally debunk anything anyone has to say and insult them for some lofty reason. When they come up with other examples, I put my experiences in their too, showing a different picture. Always in a contradictory light to theirs. Still, people keep repeating themselves over and over again, like a broken record. Im sorry I didnt read your own remarks enough times yet, please repeat them again. What? We are all ignorant and of low intelligence? Oh yes, that was it. As for your other remarks, I don't even feel myself compelled to answer them. Hmmm, gotta think of sumpin first huh?
That is frankly what disgusts me and keeps me even more vocal then I'd otherwise be. And as it is, after a completely fruitless discussion with some person, I totally lost interest in sharing my thoughts in this community. So why do you keep coming back and saying the same thing each time? Buddy, seems to me you Ask for the flaming simply by this little demonstration in that last comment.
I'm not. I stoped yesterday afternoon. So what are you doing back here? LOLOLOLOLOL AGain! LOLOLOLOLOL Read again. I'm not saying anything anymore about the ideas I have about DnL for that simple reason. I rather play it. KK, have fun cya next round.
So why do you keep coming back and saying the same thing each time? Buddy, seems to me you Ask for the flaming simply by this little demonstration in that last comment.
I'm not. I stoped yesterday afternoon. So what are you doing back here? LOLOLOLOLOL AGain! LOLOLOLOLOL Read again. I'm not saying anything anymore about the ideas I have about DnL for that simple reason. I rather play it. KK, have fun cya next round.
When I'm born I have the potential to become a sports star
When you're born you have the potential to become a sports star
As you get older you get to see how the potential compares to what's going on
Think of it as drafting players in professional sports (apologies to those who aren't sports fans )
Team A thinks Bob Preston has the potential to become an all-star player. They draft him and sign him. 4 years later he's struggling and sucks. Yes he had potential, but he didn't live up to it.
Good luck on getting a refund I tried and nothing as of yet. I got the game from the sight which was stupid on my part. YOu get it through click and buy and you not only pay for the game but for the first month as well. Needless to say we downloaded and installed the game from the sight and get nothing but errors. We were told to reinstall(yeah right) we did it five times and the game still gets errors and crashes as soon as you get in. You think they want to refund everyone? This game was a total ripoff and for those who are thinking aout downloading from the sight please be aware there are issues and you are just wasting your time and loosing money. NOt to mention from what we did see on my friends comp who bought the game in the stores its not all it was made out to be and far from it.
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AWESOME!!!!!
This belongs in the classic quotes!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA
Touche' Zorvan!
And if you truely would not just skim my post as the other poster in this thread mentioned, you can also see that I have compared it with Eve (with depth) and with Wow (lesser extend). Other then that, MMOs didn capture my interest long enough to warrant a continuous payment except for Eve and SWG. But I do have experience for short periods in several MMOs and even MMOs not on this list because they have a different rating.
But again, knowing others experience bugs in normal gameplay is something completely different then not experiencing those bugs yourself. And my point here is that people are actually flaming me for having a DIFFERENT experience with this game then they do.
That is frankly what disgusts me and keeps me even more vocal then I'd otherwise be. And as it is, after a completely fruitless discussion with some person, I totally lost interest in sharing my thoughts in this community.
IT's unfortunate for those who I actually had some nice conversation with (you guys/girls know who you are) the others bring down the maturity level of these forums below zero. And I can spedn my time better (read in game in DnL or other MMOs that I do play).
So, speaking of Adams... So long and thanks for the fish.
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So, speaking of Adams... So long and thanks for the fish.
convo gets too hot and he says Adios.
Remind you of anyone else who posts in the same pompous manner?
"Fire is never a gentle master..."
originally posted by Avayat:
IT's unfortunate for those who I actually had some nice conversation with (you guys/girls know who you are) the others bring down the maturity level of these forums below zero. And I can spedn my time better (read in game in DnL or other MMOs that I do play).
So, speaking of Adams... So long and thanks for the fish.
So that's how you're able to enjoy DnL. You read while you're logged in
(Sorry, just couldn't help myself. You know....low maturity level and what not.)
AND HE'S TAKEN ALL OUR FISH!
I really am shocked that some of you can flame people like this. Absolutely apalling to be inconsiderate enough and immature to go to such lengths as to dirve someone out because of their opinions. I seriously hope you guys get some sense into your heads cause right now I can see why they made a "We hate SOE" thread. This is a discussion forum, and if you drive everyone else out who doesnt agree with you, who will be there to discuss and debate with? Thats right, no one. Go sit in a corner somewhere fools. And you know who you are.
Id like to apologize to Avayat if hes still lurking around with all the flaming. Shits like these must gather around to these threads like bears to honey.
Okay Avayat, I have to say that one of the reasons why you probably made some people attack you is your reasoning. Reading a couple of your other posts its kinda off. You really need to re-read/edit your posts (I always do, just in case if i wrote something that doesnt make any sense or spelling) and to really think of what your talking about. Think of what your saying. I have not played DNL, but I have seen videos, read inerviews, and especially tracked the forums on this game. You are right that this game has alot of potential; but like some fellow posters here have said, its really all that it has. In response to your numbering -
1. From what Ive seen and heard its even a more boring grind with quests that dont even make any sense. As for some of the more interesting "politics" aspect, yes that is more complex - but its not in the game. So its not there. You can say things have potential, but if it isnt there, then it doesnt have it. Plain and simple. And that goes to my later point about releasing this game, I will get to it in a second.
2. 6-8 FPS in town and 10-12 outside. And you needed to change your whole system for it? Come on Avayat, use your "common sense". Something is not right with thise game, even if you could call it that. Ive rarely heard of and FPS this horrible in a game before. And thats only one of the issues you stated, how about the countless others? You cant just say "let the devs fix it" because if they havent even finished the game yet, how will they fix the problems with your performance?
3. Of course there are bugs in every MMO that came out. But I cant say that ive heard of one single MMO that had this many bugs in it and simply uncompleted areas of the game when released. Your comparing it to SWG - guess what? SWG Is the laughingstock of the MMO genre. It has been manhandeled by one of the most notorious gaming companies. Not only that, but the other poster is correct - it is gamestopping bugs that dont allow you to play the game. No matter how much you try to twist the argument, it is still there. They still stop you from playing the game, and Farlan doesnt have the best track record.
4. 2 patches in an incomplete game? Wow good job Farlan! Who says that they did 2 patches in one day? They could have been doing it for a week and then released both of them simultaneously to give the effect that theyre working hard. Not only that but patches can be unhealthy for a game and bug it up even more. Im not going to bother arguging this any further Avayat, use your common sense. Im trusting you man. Think!
5. You cannot compare SWG/SOE to DNL, SOE is way bigger and it works differently. DNL has such a small fanbase and therefore....they dont need reps, which actually makes me laugh if you think about it. If SWG and a couple other minor games are all that you have expierienced, then maybe no wonder why you love this game so much. Play WoW, or DAOC which are two solid games in my opnion. Polished, well done, with decent CSR service.
So the game first of all isnt free, you have to pay 50 bucks for it. Bing, 50 dollars from my wallet I could have spent on something more useful and fun. The free subscription and you state is free of course. However, there is a level cap, in which you didnt not even bother to read. Are you up there? Youve made other posts on here and I hope you put more sense into them. You need to BUY for credits, meaning shelf out money to Farlan. The level cap comment is even in little tiny print. Can it get any more obvious theyre conning you?
Okay here is where Farlan really ticks me off. They released what they call a "game" when it is really just a piece of stinking crap. Its practically NOT a game, theyre here to con you, look at the little teeny letters at the bottom, look at the game, look at the bugs, the patches. You even say everyone took a gamble. I DONT WANT TO TAKE A GAMBLE ON A GAME IM GOING TO BUY. It doesnt work like that. Its something called QUALITY CONTROL. Games like these ruin this genre that really is a great genre. Its stupid idiot companies that churn out these pieces of shit called games that ruin this genre. And then they make you PAY for it. PAY for a beta test, just like SWG and SOE.
Farlan is like a little wannabe SOE, but even SOE has redeemable qualities that Farlan doesnt have. SOE also cons people much better with much more skill. You could say SOE has done worse, but its really done with more finesse. Both companies have the ONE SINGULAR thing in mind. Thats right, money. Whether you like it or not, no matter how much you attempt to twist the argument, Farlan is making you PAY for it either with a full subscription to an incomplete game or a free sub forcing you to buy credits to have access to areas that are....bugged and incomplete. Again, this game doesnt top SWG and WoW with its complexity becuase none of it has been implemented yet. People here are annoyed, but theyre not here to undermine a game. Theyre here to warn other people of the crimes that Farlan has committed and spread the word to simply not buy it. This has been going on ever since people have started trading.
Have respect for yourself, Avayat. Have respect for other gamers and customers. Look at the quality. If a gaming company releases a game that is incomplete, then we shouldnt pay. Just like if I have my lawn cut by a service and they only cut half of it, am I going to pay them? No way. Your just hurting yourself and even other people to an extent by supporting a game that simply is unfinished. This isnt JUST an argument about MMO's this is an argument of quality control. If I get my bacon cheese hamburger at Chili's cold and uncooked, Im going to send it back and not pay a cent. why? becuase it really isnt a meal, its a pile of crap. Just like this game. Have some respect for yourself and for others. Reading a book while you play a game? Come on man, that just sounds sad.
I really feel sorry for you if you have nothing better to do with your life than play a game as crappy as this while reading a book. Really.
Sincerely,
Dr. Steelarm
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I have another new hero and his name is Steelarm011
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I am certain that a better game could have been developed by trained apes and even if this stinking pile of manure that tries to pass itself off as a MMORPG was free, I would still not torture myself by playing it.
So, speaking of Adams... So long and thanks for the fish.
convo gets too hot and he says Adios.
Remind you of anyone else who posts in the same pompous manner?
Convo doesnt' get hot at all. I have come to the conclusion you and others like you just don't want to hear about people having any good experiences, because it doesn't fit your ideas about the game that can only be a complete and utter waste, it should be completely unplayable (so heaven forbid there ARE people able to having fun with it) and all that kind of crap more (yes, first time I used the word crap, make note of it)...
I'm just better of leaving MMORPG forums alltogether and concentrate on playing Ryzom, DnL, scripting and developing inside 2nd life which has gotten my interest and looking out for LoTRo and STO.
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If you don't like a game, why trash it to others?
Really, whats the reason?
There's no point to trashing a game, other than to say "Hey I had a Helping hand in its Demise - I'm Famous"!!!!
Get a fekkin Life!!!
Whereas I, myself a, far from a Gameboi "I too have my reservations about DnL", You don't see me "warnning" people to stay away.
It is upto each & every individual to decide for themselves, weather they think its tripe or ont & you simply don't have the rite to "tell" people what they will or will not play.
As it is, DnL has got a lot of potential & I dare you to state one recent release that hasn't had issues at laubch...!!!
With the new generation of games arriving, all of which are based on utterly Gigantic Worlds, I am quite sure that all of these will have a huge ammount of issues too at launch.
Darkfall I predict, will be just as buggy at launch & so too, will Vanguard & Age of Conan.
The bigget & more complex the game world, the more bugs. Simple as that.
So what would you suggest? Everyone go back to Pissworthy old games like UO & WoW?
RFOnline
FFXI
Guildwars
Lineage II
Who gives a fuck about potential?
Potential is nothing. Potential is void until it becomes reality. Until then it's pure air, it's empty. It's a promise that can be broken anytime: and the devs have already broken many!
You can talk of potential about anything. This retarded child has the potential to one day be able to write his name. That guy in a wheelchair has the potential to one day win a 100 m sprint against carl lewis.
Potential is a useless word that means squat.
See all the games above? They had more than potential on release: they had features. They had content.
That is far from being the case for the pos that is DnL.
edit: I can't believe this review
On Jun 8, 2006
ZtyX
wrote:
This
is an amazing game!
The launch was painful.. A lot of delay. Some bugs. But the developers
are some of the nicest I have ever been around. And AD who are paid by
Dark and Light do an amazing job on moderating the forums, the irc
channel and the game. As well as making great in game events. Man.. The
world is amazing. Graphics are really good too. Sometimes a little lag.
But, the developers are working on it. And the graphics is going to
improve a lot!.. I can't wait till I see this game grow.. This is
definitely worth my time. .. The possibilities are just enormeous. It's
real breathing world!
I created a guild.. Lots of people to recruit.. And we are doing great.
Becoming better friends by the day.. I can't wait till we get our own
Fort and start launching attacks at other guilds' forts.. It will be
amazing.
And all the Roleplaying events we can make.. It's going to be really
great. Also.. This game has some pretty unique advancement access.
Especially the Social axis. With which you can enter politics!
You can become a baron, a duke.. Hell even a king!
And this is not just a title.. You can control city guards.. You must
give authorization for new guilds to create cities. And if you are the
king. You have a complete army to control!
This game is truly awesome.
Hmm.. But a lot of things are being worked on at the moment. Some
content is locked. But, many patches are coming and the developers are
very hardworking and ambicious. They have been working on this game for
6 years.
It's their life project.
I expect a lot more to come from this game!! I believe in it.. And can
definitely recommend this to other players out there.
In time.. This will become the biggest MMORPG ever!
With 100.000+ players on one server. Playing, interacting and oh my
god.. Having so much fun!!
Blatant LIES.
Potential is all the fanbois can cling to now.
When I'm born I have the potential to become a sports star
When you're born you have the potential to become a sports star
As you get older you get to see how the potential compares to what's going on
Think of it as drafting players in professional sports (apologies to those who aren't sports fans
)
Team A thinks Bob Preston has the potential to become an all-star player. They draft him and sign him. 4 years later he's struggling and sucks. Yes he had potential, but he didn't live up to it.
BTW, DnL is Bob Preston