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It occurs to me that the original pre-CU game was not as great as I remember - I think that in light of the poor attempts by SOE/LA to fix the game we have put pre-CU upon a pedestal where it doesn't belong. First, let me say that I am not a fan of the CU, or the NGE, or SOE, or LA for that matter (4 accounts cancelled)
A few things for perpective to those of you who don't remember (i'm sure if you thought about it many of you could come up with more):
--Do you all remember that going for mind shots was king but not all professons had mind shots?
--Do you remember the fencers spaming dizzy/knockdown (or was it change posture? or sweep? sorry, it's been awhile) and watching helpless as you flopped down repeatedly never to get up again?
--The poison dots that would kill in a few ticks?
--The uber-loot rifles that would strafeshot everyone in the field dead?
--The diseases that ended your gameplay until you found a doc that could heal you?
--The absolute lack of content in the game?
--The bugs!!!! OMG!!! THE BUGS!
--The overpowered jedi that made a "master" in his/her combat profession look like a thug holding a sharp stick the wrong way?
--And lastly, the players on your friends lists getting smaller even before the CU came out?
Don't get me wrong it was a lot of fun but it was far from perfect and it could not continue the way it was forever. I think that SOE/LAs cure was worse than the disease, so we look back fondly on the disease.
[Admittedly, I was a dot whore and a Dizzy/kd fencer. I had a doc/musician buff bot and I had a (non-ebay) Jedi. With my Rifle/ranger I could and did hunt for hours in Rancor valley with no armor and only food buffs (just for personal pride as a hunter!)- with my merchant i had a fairly good business of selling Gurk hide, harrower bones and albatross feathers - in addition to normal hide, meat and bone - I had millions and millions of credits, and the best armor/food/weapons/tapes credits could buy- there was not a day that went by that i didn't play for at least 4 hours.]
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What you address in your post is 95% PvP related and mostly 1 on 1 battles as well. So basicly they destoyed the game and ripped it apart to balance PvP gameplay.
Easy fix to balance out combat:
Make all defences tier based just as mitigation (stack all you want, makes no different)
Cap medic/doc/CM crafting and armour stats
Ether give all combat profs mind attacks or let Entertainer craft mindpacks (like healpacks)
Looted uber weapons, just remove them or remove ADK-kits
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This absurd posts deserves only one reply.
PRE-CU SERVERS FTW!!!
Lame, giant, green cries for Pre-CU is sooooo Nov. '05, man.
-d
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I just hate that they combined all the classes. I loved SWG pre-cu because you could truely make your character unique, grabbing skill trees from up to 3 or 4 classes...and being able to play with your friends no matter what their level.
The old SWG was truely awesome and unique in that sense, and I will miss it
Well maybe you don't think it was so great... But check the polls, both the ones they recently made (75% more or less wanted the original system) and the old ones (Poll just before the CU:80% against the Combat upgrade).
It's called democracy, and SoE shoves it through their arse.
-d
lol!
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Umm no that 80% against the CU poll was bogus and I wish everyone would quit bringing it up. Secondly its not democracy, it's business. One you vote with a ballet and the other you vote with your wallet. I suggest you learn the difference.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Umm no that 80% against the CU poll was bogus and I wish everyone would quit bringing it up. Secondly its not democracy, it's business. One you vote with a ballet and the other you vote with your wallet. I suggest you learn the difference.
That poll was made in the forums of swg *BY SOE*... Why bogus?
If you think they might have changed it (and it really was more than 80%), then I agree
80% of the forum users were against the CU (I think they made even two different polls with the same result)
Anyway any and all polls I've seen have the same response: Bring pre-cu back.
Oh and as SoE should have learnt, no democracy, no players
True PRE-CU wasn't all that great in my opinion, really it's not the reason I left. SWG was a decent game PRE-CU and I'd probably have stayed alot longer, the trouble was the company that was/is in charge of it.
Also I've found an MMO I enjoy 1 million times more than SWG PRE-CU thanks to $OE treating me like dirt. So maybe I can forgive them for JTL (Jump To Lagspeed), but the rest I blame them for.
If I had to choose between PRE-CU, CU or NGE then ofcourse I'd choose PRE-CU, not because I'm a big PRE-CU fanbois but simply because it's the less s****y of three turds.
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I hear what you say and one thing further, it was the Stupid Village and the Doctor buffs and Mokk/Janta cash grinding that caused your Friend list to deminish, as you say the bugs were numerous and some profs were just outright fucked, Mastering BH how bugged were the BH missions, CH lol how useless were the pets, really and smuggler how little thought did they put into Smuggler, I think the joke I remeber was when they allowed us to sell loads of faction points so people could buy there AT-ST's so they could solo group with them for maximum cash.
But the comunity pre Doc buffing and solo mokk grinding became a reality was very good, and after the comp and buffing inclusions that was it, the game started loosing more players than it gained which was a shame really, I have always guessed that as of probably Nov 2004 they were lossing more players than they gained, I always used the cantina in Theed as a good guide.
Firstly it's far to easy to trick ANY web poll. Secondly it was pulled for abuse. Wether that is true or not no one but them will ever know however that poll was on the forums and NOT the official in game poll. Everything that was going to the forums to complain were the ones hitting the poll. 80% of the players did not vote against the CU. Of the (thinks) 1000 votes I think on that poll 800 of roughly were against the CU before they yanked it for people voting more then once.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
or it could be more like the original movies were great and then they introduced "The Phantom Menace" (NGE) and it was aweful. And then they introduce "Attack of the Clones" and....ummm....OMG....I am going to quit
Truth is that Pre-CU had its problems, made worse by the developers not actually fixing problems, but instead creating new ones.
Made worse again with the Holo Grind and doctor buffs.
But right at the start, before everyone figured out you could WTFPWN anyone with a Master Creature handler, we had a pretty darn good game.
50 people working together to fight a Krayt on tatooine.
Rangers building huge camps, doctors healing, combat medics in the field, dancers in the camps, squad leaders directing grps.
It was awesome.
There was a point where PRE-CU was better than CU, but by the time PRE-CU was coming to an end I have to say that CU was an improvement, not on the original game, but on the final game.
NGE sucks big time no matter what version its being compared to.
SWG RIP
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CU was like RotJ, ok but not as good and you hit the nail on the head, NGE=Phantom Menace!
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Ooook mate, I can't open your eyes if you prefer to remain blind
I am not blind to a thing. I was there for the entire deal like many here and apparently you. I don't like how it is now either however I am not niave enough to sit and blurt out 80% of the entire game population hated the CU because of a web poll when MAYBE only 20% of the actual players ever used the forum to begin with let alone that only a small number of votes had actually occured yet.
Say most people want pre-cu back, I will agree with that. I would prefer the CU version back myself however I would take Pre-CU back over the NGE ANY day. However quit using bogus statistics to back up your arguement. It helps no one but SOE and LEC when you do.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
First off it was Koster's system, and Koster has that lovely idea of "Dev's make the game, players make the in game content." This is a good idea on paper, however it showed with both Ultima Online (Koster's first game) and SWG. See the idea is that EA, SOE, Blizzard, NCSoft, whoever will get the game out the door then you'll have the playerbase coming up with the in game storys, events, quests, items and the like. Think someone makes a world for a Dungeons and Dragons game, however he doesn't make any quests for it. He just lets the players run around and do whatever they want. Believe it or not, this does turn players off from games! UO would end up putting quests in after Koster left EA. EQ and EQ2 has had it's quests, even WoW has quests and in game content made for the playerbase. Really this idea was slowly turning SWG into a 'nitch' game...
Next up the Pre-CU game play just didn't fit a Sci-Fi game... Remember everyone we're not dealing with a game like WoW, UO, EQ/EQ2... Fantasy games are somewhat slow paced, however a Sci-Fi game is somewhat faster. Remember in a Sci-Fi game your now putting in Mechs, Lasers, Spaceships and the like... I mean could anyone see an Aliens game play like the Pre-CU? Maybe the skill system yes, however the combat would be much, much faster... Then again I'd hate to hear the whines of the Alien players claiming the Space Marines are over powered with M41A1 Pulse Rifles...
Also the playerbase had a big hand in it... I mean hey there has been whining about SWG from day one, infact most of the playerbase on the boards loves whining about almost anything from what I've seen. If I'm a Dev, and I'm looking on the boards and all I see is my playerbase screaming about everything... Hey I'm going to think something is wrong with the game! And really if I'm a Dev do you really think my mind is going to be changed when seeing a post of "Pre-CU FYI!!!!"
Then there's the fact that it's Sony's time to be 'the bad guy' as a long time Gamer and MMO player believe me when I say that somehow, there's alwas someone in the gaming world that everyone hates for a good two years, till it changes to another guy. EA was the bad guy for a number of years, UO had a ton of changes to it. The playerbase of UO believed EA was trying to kill UO for The Sims-Online... The fact that EA just went and got the NFL cuz ESPN Football made Madden look like an overpriced joke in 2004, bad Bond games. Killing Westwood, Bullfrog and others... EA's little war with Xbox Live... Believe me, by the end of this year or next year Blizzard or NCSoft will screw up and somehow you'll see post after post about the evils of them...
Here some of the goodies PRE CU had
1) Players
2) helpfully mature people was the majority player type
3) good combat UI (Combat Queue,strategical combat possible)
4) nice move animations
5) economy
6) meaningfull crafting system
7) 30+ professions full of skills you can choice by yourself and if you decide to reroll you char then you could do so !
8) players runing around doing something reasonable.
9) proudly honorfully Guilds
10) Jedi (i know this one is very challenging but after NGE there are no true jedi out there)
i forgot thousend litle things that makes a visit to the starwars world entertaining and worth.
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-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
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I have to argue the community point, the community is still excellent from everything I have seen. Other then that you are spot on with your points.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
I don't see how voting more than once (per character) is possible since the voting was tied to the character logon.
If you are referring to people with multiple characters voting more than once, I see absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Someone paying $60 per month for four characters should have their vote counted 4 times as that's a loss of 4x individual revenue if they quit over the changes.
I don't see how voting more than once (per character) is possible since the voting was tied to the character logon.
If you are referring to people with multiple characters voting more than once, I see absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Someone paying $60 per month for four characters should have their vote counted 4 times as that's a loss of 4x individual revenue if they quit over the changes.
You are confusing the in game poll with the forum poll that we are discussing. You are correct that poll was tied to your login and secure. We aren't talking about multiple account people voting more then once. I am referring to people voting on the web, clearing their cookies and then voting again over and over.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World