I went to that thread you linked there wolfiness and thought this quote was the best lol
posted by yogie
"Well, Here is how I see it:
EverQuest 2: Defiently one of the most anticipated games of the year, yet to me doesn't compare to DnL at all. It does show heart pounding graphics because of the new engine that the EQ team has come up with. Yet, I don't see any reason that we should be intimidated... DnL's server space can handle whatever is thrown at it as well as having insane graphics. It will all depend upon gameplay, and noone can really say which game is better just yet.
Guild Wars: Pissed me off, very boring, only can go on set paths, not open ended.
WoW: It is warcrafts first swing at an open ended RPG in which you and your character can do whatever you wish at any time. Not really its first swing considering the other Warcraft games, but its there first attempt at this type of genre. It doesn't seem to contend with DnL at all, still have to wait on it.
DarkandLight seems to have the edge over all of these games. The only contender that I see is Everquest... which holds the title for having the best rpgs and most played. Still, I see no reason to be scared"
Now what is wrong with that whole statement?????? All the above games besides DnL are winners lol Theres only a million reasons whey DnL should have been scared
"Heh, I don't think we should worry about these other games. I know that we don't want noobs to play with, but if your a noob experiencing lag for a long period of time because of cruddy server capacity you are not going to want to play that game. DnL should have a huge community in-game because of its immortal server. The hype will be much bigger come gameday. Not to mention its insane graphics"
How are they lies/flames or creative? they are direct quotes from the Dark and Light Forum made by you, the DnL Staff and some die hard fans.
If you had followed the links you would see how the even DnL staff themselves encouraged double voting, slam voting (vote 10 for DnL, then 1 for all the other titles) in order to reach a good hype score. These are concrete evidence on their own forum.
I admit I haven't actually bought the game, but I have followed it and beta tested, and after i've seen all the reviews i am not going to either. So I am not here to judge on the game, I am just can't stand such low grade practices in order to get the intial hype.
On a side note, I suppose one of the only reason DnL fall so hard is because of all the initial promotion, the higher they rise the harder they fall I suppose, even the Devs knows the game doesn't live up to the orginal expectations. since there is no trial, you have to plum $50 just for an intial experience says it all, they company just want to squeeze as much money out of it as possible.
Well if you want to see some real proof, that even blacksac cannot argue aginst.
Just look here
First image is the top of the page, the second is of the blacksac's post aka blackcactus1 mid way down.
The private forums keeps a count of posts in that forum, so thats why it is different from the main forum, and it lets you have a different signature and avatar. That way people wont see your system specs in the main forum and know you are a tester. There cannot be a different blackcactus1 in the main forums if one already created for the private forums. Also notice the dates. 11 months ago.
Well if you want to see some real proof, that even blacksac cannot argue aginst.
Just look here
First image is the top of the page, the second is of the blacksac's post aka blackcactus1 mid way down.
The private forums keeps a count of posts in that forum, so thats why it is different from the main forum, and it lets you have a different signature and avatar. That way people wont see your system specs in the main forum and know you are a tester. There cannot be a different blackcactus1 in the main forums if one already created for the private forums. Also notice the dates. 11 months ago.
Is this enough for yeah? I bet I could find 32 more just like this one.
blacksac has already stated before that he is blackcactus1 and also blacksun_17 also.
So to make it easy for others this is his username for some of the forums he visits.
VNBoards = blacksun_17
Official D&L Forum = blackcactus1
MMORPG.com = blacksac
It took me a while to figure out all 3 people are the same person until he told me that he is all of the 3 people in 1 reply to my post.
So far what you have just shows that blacksac/blacksun_17/blackcactus1 was in the Beta.
Makes ya wonder why he argues what many has said about the Beta to begin with ...
PS:
I also have read the exact Beta forum post by Mitranielle about Beta being closed prior to SOG opening. Yet Farlan was lying to EVERYONE that the Beta was still running upto January, thats upto 2 months AFTER the closing of the Beta, when the news slipped in the English D&L Forums by one of the French users.
I could understand why Farlan does not want to lift the NDA on the Beta because they would be shown how much truth many of the "hatebois' has been spewing for a long time.
Sure Black was a tester...so was I. He came in late as you can see by his join date. By that time the Devs had reset the forum so all the bad thnigs we had been saying wouldn't put the new testers off. He didn't get to see the true depth of NP3's incompetence.
If I was a beta tester (so what), by my agreement which I would try my best not to break I cant say anything, so if I was a beta tester you have me at a disadvantage as I would avoid breaking my agreement (thats if I was a beta tester)
Now if I was a beta tester what difference does it make, how is my opinion or impression of the game any less, I'm sure many of the haters here being previous beta testers would disagree... its just not logical captain
Some of you are fishing around to find a stick to hit me with, and its that obvious to me, and has been for a long time.
And putting up a post 2 years old, out of context, and out of the current situation and time-line is desperate. Sad for you that you want to attack me so bad you go to such lengths, such hatred
Are you guys really pissed off that much by a fan? It's wierd to me.
Originally posted by blacksac If I was a beta tester (so what), by my agreement which I would try my best not to break I cant say anything, so if I was a beta tester you have me at a disadvantage as I would avoid breaking my agreement (thats if I was a beta tester) Now if I was a beta tester what difference does it make, how is my opinion or impression of the game any less, I'm sure many of the haters here being previous beta testers would disagree... its just not logical captain Some of you are fishing around to find a stick to hit me with, and its that obvious to me, and has been for a long time. And putting up a post 2 years old, out of context, and out of the current situation and time-line is desperate. Sad for you that you want to attack me so bad you go to such lengths, such hatred Are you guys really pissed off that much by a fan? It's wierd to me.
I think the real issue here is this.
You expect us to take you seriously. Yet you attack EVERY 'hateboi" you encounter without as much as providing any proof for your attacks. And then you act as if you are some sort of martyr for D&L.
All the while the same "hatebois" you have been attacking has been providing valid proof that you should have known to begin with yet you still attack them.
Its like when people try to tell someone that the world is round yet that person is still attacking those same people saying its round even though the proof has been shown multiple times. And the worst part is that it is being said to this person in the year 2006.
^ well you just took opinion and bias out of the equation. We all can see the exact same thing but our individual bias will give us all different opinions of that exact same thing. No mystery in that, thats life. My truth is not your truth. And as for my attacks on "hatebois", I've toned down quit a bit, something I promised MikeMonger after his fine post
Would be nice to see less direct attacks on me, but on the internet it's expected if not acceptable, sa la vi
Well blacksac I just want to say that i really have nothing aginst you. If you had just answered my question insted of saying 'Sheesh again with the amazing amount of creative rumors/flames/lies/theories about I,' that would have been that.
So if you wanted to call me a lier, thats fine, It just forced me to prove my point. And proven I have.
The only reason why I brought this up at all was because these statements didnt seem accurate:
'My first overall impression is good, the World looks beautiful, the server is stable, and the mob hunting to my liking.'
'This was no review, just my first impression, btw still early days. I am relieved that my first impression was good though.
When your first impression was last year. If you cant be honest about that, how can we consider the rest of it credible.
When your first impression was last year. If you cant be honest about that, how can we consider the rest of it credible.
Thx for stating you have nothing against me, as for my first impression, thats for the retail version of DnL, I never thought it would be for anything else. If I was a beta tester I couldnt just say so, and besides beta is often very different to the full version of retail. Also as far as I've seen DnL defiantly does not equal SoG
I just dont get that logic when many people stated and gave their first impressions of retail DnL even when most of those giving such opinions also played SoG, the Strest Test, and even the beta, so why is it different for me. This is just playing with words, I dont see this as honest, its just being argumentative to pick on one person out of so many
nuff said from me on the subject, I feel it's just wasting time to get into such debates. If I feel like it I'll be back with more impressions of a game I have never played until a week ago, that being the "retail" version DnL.
whoa guys... I just dropped by this forum and it seems there is a civil war that rivals the Star Wars Galaxies forums. Why all the insulting? Insult the company... sure. I have fun flaming Torres and Smedley myself (for all you SWG people out there ^_^) but why attack this guy? I may not know everything... but it seems a little cold. Maybe he really IS having fun exploring? Even THIS game has to appeal to SOME people... even if it is only 1 or 2. Well... just my 2 cents. Peace!
Not as an offence, but that the poor people who does have to do with the developers of this game. That can't be easy...
$OE lies list http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0 " And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
I respect anyones opinion that said they like the game as long as they do it in a mature fashion. While I would like to see them make a logical argument as to what is actually good about DnL compared to any other game. Leave the insults, namecalling and the usual fanboy remark telling critics of the game they have no right to post here.
Since most fanboys don't seem capable of articulating anything good about DnL without insulting other people I will give it a shot.
The world is beautiful even if it is empty. Its the sheer size and beauty of the world that I think makes many people believe the game has potential. Unfortunately they still need to build an entire game around this world. DnL is a very hard and non-intuitive game and in a way sort of addicting at least for a short period of time just because of the difficulty. The problem is that the difficulty is created because of the lack of content, instability, bugs, and poor game design. People that have played many mmorpgs and who are somewhat tired of new mmorpg's being to easy may like dnl for a short time because of the difficulty in gameplay and in learning the controls as they non intuitive. Some may find the pure harshness of the game somewhat refreshing and attractive. Its to bad the game design is so poor and the game lacks so much in terms of content. Besides the beautry of the world and the games harshness I don't see anything else redeeming. Rather the only hope for this game would be to fire the dev team, put the game back into development and start from scratch throwing out everything that has been done. In 3 years with a competent dev team and an adequate budget they might be able to release a playable game.
Originally posted by blacksac ^ well you just took opinion and bias out of the equation. We all can see the exact same thing but our individual bias will give us all different opinions of that exact same thing. No mystery in that, thats life. My truth is not your truth. And as for my attacks on "hatebois", I've toned down quit a bit, something I promised MikeMonger after his fine post Would be nice to see less direct attacks on me, but on the internet it's expected if not acceptable, sa la vi
Dude, get a life.
We say: Dark & like sucks. THen list a plethora of reasons.. reboots, broke class tree's, rollbacks, missing content, no dungeons, broken crafting, bugs, CTD's, login problems, Exploits...etc
You say: Dark $ light is great. But give absolutly no reason as to why to back up your opinion.
Even if you do feel dark & Light is great, you still have to admit all the bad... which you do not, thus your either a shill or an utter chode'-a-boi..!
Originally posted by Zvorak Originally posted by blacksac ^ well you just took opinion and bias out of the equation. We all can see the exact same thing but our individual bias will give us all different opinions of that exact same thing. No mystery in that, thats life. My truth is not your truth. And as for my attacks on "hatebois", I've toned down quit a bit, something I promised MikeMonger after his fine post Would be nice to see less direct attacks on me, but on the internet it's expected if not acceptable, sa la vi
Dude, get a life.
We say: Dark & like sucks. THen list a plethora of reasons.. reboots, broke class tree's, rollbacks, missing content, no dungeons, broken crafting, bugs, CTD's, login problems, Exploits...etc
You say: Dark $ light is great. But give absolutly no reason as to why to back up your opinion.
Even if you do feel dark & Light is great, you still have to admit all the bad... which you do not, thus your either a shill or an utter chode'-a-boi..!
-Zvorak
Actually Z, you messed up a bit on what the shills say. It should read: Dark and Light has a lot of potential, I am excited to get in on the ground floor and help shape it....
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I went to that thread you linked there wolfiness and thought this quote was the best lol
posted by yogie
"Well, Here is how I see it:
EverQuest 2: Defiently one of the most anticipated games of the year, yet to me doesn't compare to DnL at all. It does show heart pounding graphics because of the new engine that the EQ team has come up with. Yet, I don't see any reason that we should be intimidated... DnL's server space can handle whatever is thrown at it as well as having insane graphics. It will all depend upon gameplay, and noone can really say which game is better just yet.
Guild Wars: Pissed me off, very boring, only can go on set paths, not open ended.
WoW: It is warcrafts first swing at an open ended RPG in which you and your character can do whatever you wish at any time. Not really its first swing considering the other Warcraft games, but its there first attempt at this type of genre. It doesn't seem to contend with DnL at all, still have to wait on it.
DarkandLight seems to have the edge over all of these games. The only contender that I see is Everquest... which holds the title for having the best rpgs and most played. Still, I see no reason to be scared"
Now what is wrong with that whole statement??????
All the above games besides DnL are winners lol
Theres only a million reasons whey DnL should have been scared
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oh ya. also posted by yogi.
"Heh, I don't think we should worry about these other games. I know that we don't want noobs to play with, but if your a noob experiencing lag for a long period of time because of cruddy server capacity you are not going to want to play that game. DnL should have a huge community in-game because of its immortal server. The hype will be much bigger come gameday. Not to mention its insane graphics"
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Sheesh again with the amazing amount of creative rumors/flames/lies/theories about I
I'll be back with more impressions
Later
If you had followed the links you would see how the even DnL staff themselves encouraged double voting, slam voting (vote 10 for DnL, then 1 for all the other titles) in order to reach a good hype score. These are concrete evidence on their own forum.
I admit I haven't actually bought the game, but I have followed it and beta tested, and after i've seen all the reviews i am not going to either. So I am not here to judge on the game, I am just can't stand such low grade practices in order to get the intial hype.
On a side note, I suppose one of the only reason DnL fall so hard is because of all the initial promotion, the higher they rise the harder they fall I suppose, even the Devs knows the game doesn't live up to the orginal expectations. since there is no trial, you have to plum $50 just for an intial experience says it all, they company just want to squeeze as much money out of it as possible.
"Sheesh again with the amazing amount of creative rumors/flames/lies/theories about I"
only returning the favor
I normally endorse small companies that have some innovative plans, which DnL did have innovative PLANS.
But I hope:
N(ever)P(roduced any)C(ontent they promised)ube goes under sooner rather than later. It really is for the better of the genre.
Well if you want to see some real proof, that even blacksac cannot argue aginst.
Just look here
First image is the top of the page, the second is of the blacksac's post aka blackcactus1 mid way down.
The private forums keeps a count of posts in that forum, so thats why it is different from the main forum, and it lets you have a different signature and avatar. That way people wont see your system specs in the main forum and know you are a tester. There cannot be a different blackcactus1 in the main forums if one already created for the private forums. Also notice the dates. 11 months ago.
Enjoy.
Blacksac busted
Middle of same page
Is this enough for yeah? I bet I could find 32 more just like this one.
So to make it easy for others this is his username for some of the forums he visits.
Official D&L Forum = blackcactus1
MMORPG.com = blacksac
It took me a while to figure out all 3 people are the same person until he told me that he is all of the 3 people in 1 reply to my post.
So far what you have just shows that blacksac/blacksun_17/blackcactus1 was in the Beta.
Makes ya wonder why he argues what many has said about the Beta to begin with ...
PS:
I also have read the exact Beta forum post by Mitranielle about Beta being closed prior to SOG opening.
Yet Farlan was lying to EVERYONE that the Beta was still running upto January, thats upto 2 months AFTER the closing of the Beta, when the news slipped in the English D&L Forums by one of the French users.
I could understand why Farlan does not want to lift the NDA on the Beta because they would be shown how much truth many of the "hatebois' has been spewing for a long time.
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Sure Black was a tester...so was I. He came in late as you can see by his join date. By that time the Devs had reset the forum so all the bad thnigs we had been saying wouldn't put the new testers off. He didn't get to see the true depth of NP3's incompetence.
If I was a beta tester (so what), by my agreement which I would try my best not to break I cant say anything, so if I was a beta tester you have me at a disadvantage as I would avoid breaking my agreement (thats if I was a beta tester)
Now if I was a beta tester what difference does it make, how is my opinion or impression of the game any less, I'm sure many of the haters here being previous beta testers would disagree... its just not logical captain
Some of you are fishing around to find a stick to hit me with, and its that obvious to me, and has been for a long time.
And putting up a post 2 years old, out of context, and out of the current situation and time-line is desperate. Sad for you that you want to attack me so bad you go to such lengths, such hatred
Are you guys really pissed off that much by a fan? It's wierd to me.
You expect us to take you seriously.
Yet you attack EVERY 'hateboi" you encounter without as much as providing any proof for your attacks.
And then you act as if you are some sort of martyr for D&L.
All the while the same "hatebois" you have been attacking has been providing valid proof that you should have known to begin with yet you still attack them.
Its like when people try to tell someone that the world is round yet that person is still attacking those same people saying its round even though the proof has been shown multiple times.
And the worst part is that it is being said to this person in the year 2006.
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^ well you just took opinion and bias out of the equation. We all can see the exact same thing but our individual bias will give us all different opinions of that exact same thing. No mystery in that, thats life. My truth is not your truth. And as for my attacks on "hatebois", I've toned down quit a bit, something I promised MikeMonger after his fine post
Would be nice to see less direct attacks on me, but on the internet it's expected if not acceptable, sa la vi
Well blacksac I just want to say that i really have nothing aginst you. If you had just answered my question insted of saying 'Sheesh again with the amazing amount of creative rumors/flames/lies/theories about I,' that would have been that.
So if you wanted to call me a lier, thats fine, It just forced me to prove my point. And proven I have.
The only reason why I brought this up at all was because these statements didnt seem accurate:
'My first overall impression is good, the World looks beautiful, the server is stable, and the mob hunting to my liking.'
'This was no review, just my first impression, btw still early days. I am relieved that my first impression was good though.
When your first impression was last year. If you cant be honest about that, how can we consider the rest of it credible.
Thx for stating you have nothing against me, as for my first impression, thats for the retail version of DnL, I never thought it would be for anything else. If I was a beta tester I couldnt just say so, and besides beta is often very different to the full version of retail. Also as far as I've seen DnL defiantly does not equal SoG
I just dont get that logic when many people stated and gave their first impressions of retail DnL even when most of those giving such opinions also played SoG, the Strest Test, and even the beta, so why is it different for me. This is just playing with words, I dont see this as honest, its just being argumentative to pick on one person out of so many
nuff said from me on the subject, I feel it's just wasting time to get into such debates. If I feel like it I'll be back with more impressions of a game I have never played until a week ago, that being the "retail" version DnL.
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You got that right!
I feel sorry for anyone who likes this game...
Not as an offence, but that the poor people who does have to do with the developers of this game. That can't be easy...
$OE lies list
http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
To any of those still defending this game:
1. The world is round
2. The earth revolves around the sun
3. DnL sucks.
I respect anyones opinion that said they like the game as long as they do it in a mature fashion. While I would like to see them make a logical argument as to what is actually good about DnL compared to any other game. Leave the insults, namecalling and the usual fanboy remark telling critics of the game they have no right to post here.
Since most fanboys don't seem capable of articulating anything good about DnL without insulting other people I will give it a shot.
The world is beautiful even if it is empty. Its the sheer size and beauty of the world that I think makes many people believe the game has potential. Unfortunately they still need to build an entire game around this world. DnL is a very hard and non-intuitive game and in a way sort of addicting at least for a short period of time just because of the difficulty. The problem is that the difficulty is created because of the lack of content, instability, bugs, and poor game design. People that have played many mmorpgs and who are somewhat tired of new mmorpg's being to easy may like dnl for a short time because of the difficulty in gameplay and in learning the controls as they non intuitive. Some may find the pure harshness of the game somewhat refreshing and attractive. Its to bad the game design is so poor and the game lacks so much in terms of content. Besides the beautry of the world and the games harshness I don't see anything else redeeming. Rather the only hope for this game would be to fire the dev team, put the game back into development and start from scratch throwing out everything that has been done. In 3 years with a competent dev team and an adequate budget they might be able to release a playable game.
Dude, get a life.
We say: Dark & like sucks. THen list a plethora of reasons.. reboots, broke class tree's, rollbacks, missing content, no dungeons, broken crafting, bugs, CTD's, login problems, Exploits...etc
You say: Dark $ light is great. But give absolutly no reason as to why to back up your opinion.
Even if you do feel dark & Light is great, you still have to admit all the bad... which you do not, thus your either a shill or an utter chode'-a-boi..!
-Zvorak
Dude, get a life.
We say: Dark & like sucks. THen list a plethora of reasons.. reboots, broke class tree's, rollbacks, missing content, no dungeons, broken crafting, bugs, CTD's, login problems, Exploits...etc
You say: Dark $ light is great. But give absolutly no reason as to why to back up your opinion.
Even if you do feel dark & Light is great, you still have to admit all the bad... which you do not, thus your either a shill or an utter chode'-a-boi..!
-Zvorak
Actually Z, you messed up a bit on what the shills say. It should read: Dark and Light has a lot of potential, I am excited to get in on the ground floor and help shape it....