Originally posted by Huxleyinfo I am just about to join the many thousands of people leaving WoW, because of the complete cock up that is Patch 1.11(not being able to install it on PCs (corrupted files) and having NO decent technical support to help people).
So I am looking for another MMO.
I used to really like WoW and have (had) two accounts, so want something similar, but I want something that is PvE with hardly any PvP as we prefer to take it at our own pace and not have to worry about gankings, etc...
Can any players that enjoy WoW PvE recommend another MMORPG type game that they think we will enjoy.
Thanks in advance
I'm out of the loop on the patch numbers, but last night I logged in, did all the updates and the game ran as expected, no problems, maybe this is hardware specific
Originally posted by Kyoruto Originally posted by BobCrazyton Originally posted by Kyoruto I'm sorry, but blizztorent isn't a good downloading system. Infact they said they were going to change it on release, but never did.
Oh wow. I must of missed that PA. Its so true too.
If 2 million users connect and try to download a 400 MB patch over a 12 hour period Blizzard would need nearly 100 OC-48 connections to handle the load. I.E. it aint happening. Even if they bought the required OC-48 connections no internet backbone provider could even come remotley close to handleing that type of load. The only viable way to distribute that much data that quickly is swarming with a P2P product like bit torrent.
Originally posted by lomiller If 2 million users connect and try to download a 400 MB patch over a 12 hour period Blizzard would need nearly 100 OC-48 connections to handle the load. I.E. it aint happening. Even if they bought the required OC-48 connections no internet backbone provider could even come remotley close to handleing that type of load. The only viable way to distribute that much data that quickly is swarming with a P2P product like bit torrent.
Originally posted by BobCrazyton Originally posted by Gnomad Originally posted by BobCrazyton Originally posted by Rufius K.... Umm.. all you got to do is log into the game to get the patch downloaded.Did you even read it? Sure did and the op is an idiot. The patch is a trivial item and caused no problems on any of my machines including my laptop which I am on right now. Too bad that the OP can't do a simple download/patch, maybe SOE is better for him to whine off to with all the other plastic barbie lovers. As to the "fan sites" numbers, they have no clue and are nothing more then urban legend numbers made up by some hatebois. There are actual number available if you look but since most of you are WoW haters you would of course ignore the facts. Umm...even tho I wasn't talking to you...but OK.
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Professor Hubert Farnsworth - That question is less stupid but, you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.
I mean when you look at WoW's population the fact that the server numbers haven't changed really over the past year just goes to show how people are coming in and people are leaving. A lot of my friends have left while a lot of new people have joined that's usually the way of MMO's but with most MMO"s people often come back its not happening so much with wow since when you get back your like crap gotta grind stuff all over again.
Originally posted by TurboGs im a wow whore so no idea really but i think everquest 2 doesnt haav any pvp yet unless they have added it
If you want something similar then do EQ2. IMO it has more features and better support. Things lile Guild Banks and guild levels, better crafting etc.
PvP in EQ2 is separated into pve servers (only in a arena) and pvp server (similar to a wow pvp server with extra rules).
As to whteher thousands of people are leaving WoW, of course there are. The question is are more people signing up? WoW has always had alot of turnover and with about 2 Million players (and 4 million in China) in western market there are almost cetainly thousands leaving each month. If you had 1% cancelling each month that would be 20,000 people. Some source say WoW's average retention is 2 months so somewhere 0.5% iscertainly possible. This analysis is not so useful for the 4 million China subs as that sub model is not the same as the western model.
I persoanlly suspect that Blizz is losing much more than the projected 10,000 from above, but that number there is ceratinly reasonable for any game like WoW whether they are doing well or badly.
Originally posted by Fenrir767 I mean when you look at WoW's population the fact that the server numbers haven't changed really over the past year just goes to show how people are coming in and people are leaving. A lot of my friends have left while a lot of new people have joined that's usually the way of MMO's but with most MMO"s people often come back its not happening so much with wow since when you get back your like crap gotta grind stuff all over again.
The server population question is rather intersting. There are far more low pop servers than people suspect I think. Blizz does nothing about it either. Its kinda sad since a low pop server sucks for pvp and is since WoW is now a "raid or quit" game kinda sucks for pve. These low pop servers seem to just evacuate after a while.
I wonder if they are doing that in anticipation of growth from burning crusade?
Ya there are a lot of low pop servers out there I really wonder what blizz is going to do about it. I'm also wondering how they intend to address the two month retention rate of wow right now because eventually they are not gonna be brining in new customers and they got competition on the horizons alot of the new MMORPGS are looking quite interesting.
Originally posted by Huxleyinfo I am just about to join the many thousands of people leaving WoW, because of the complete cock up that is Patch 1.11(not being able to install it on PCs (corrupted files) and having NO decent technical support to help people).
So I am looking for another MMO.
I used to really like WoW and have (had) two accounts, so want something similar, but I want something that is PvE with hardly any PvP as we prefer to take it at our own pace and not have to worry about gankings, etc...
Can any players that enjoy WoW PvE recommend another MMORPG type game that they think we will enjoy.
Thanks in advance
Please, can you tell me where you found any solid evidence of "many thousands of people leaving WoW"? Please tell me, I must know your source of information. I too have theorized for years that thousands of people are leaving WoW over somethinganother but I've yet to find the proof to back up my wildly exadurated claimes. PLEASE TELL ME!
Originally posted by baff If they keep up a steady stream of expansion packs people will keep returning.
Hmmmm no I don't think so, if this expac doesn't do what it needs to they will lose a lot of people. Both their money and their respect.
If the expac does what it needs to do then yeah you are probably right. Its too late for me, but there are many many lingerers just hoping and praying for an excuse to forgive Blizz. I don't think the expac will do that, but hey its possible...
However I don't know that "steady stream" can really be accurately applied to Blizzard.
Originally posted by Jmonster If by leaving you mean ''Banned for being a farmer/or exploiter'' then yes, thousands are leaving WoW.
Everyone's a farmer in WoW its just to what extent. (Here its actually selling what you farm for real money)
Siehst du mich Erkennst du mich Ganz tief in meinem Herz ist noch ein Platz f?r dich Ich suche dich Ich sehne mich nach dem was ich geliebt hab doch ich find es nicht
Depends on how you look at it, farming is a job, if the game feels like a job it's time to take a break.
Also not everyone exploits.
Originally posted by Kyoruto Originally posted by Jmonster If by leaving you mean ''Banned for being a farmer/or exploiter'' then yes, thousands are leaving WoW.
Everyone's a farmer in WoW its just to what extent. (Here its actually selling what you farm for real money)
Originally posted by Jmonster Depends on how you look at it, farming is a job, if the game feels like a job it's time to take a break.
Also not everyone exploits.
Originally posted by Kyoruto Originally posted by Jmonster If by leaving you mean ''Banned for being a farmer/or exploiter'' then yes, thousands are leaving WoW.
Everyone's a farmer in WoW its just to what extent. (Here its actually selling what you farm for real money)
Never said everyone expliots though. Just saying no matter how you look at any mmo its a farm sadly.
Siehst du mich Erkennst du mich Ganz tief in meinem Herz ist noch ein Platz f?r dich Ich suche dich Ich sehne mich nach dem was ich geliebt hab doch ich find es nicht
Originally posted by CaptainRPG Originally posted by Huxleyinfo I am just about to join the many thousands of people leaving WoW, because of the complete cock up that is Patch 1.11(not being able to install it on PCs (corrupted files) and having NO decent technical support to help people).
So I am looking for another MMO.
I used to really like WoW and have (had) two accounts, so want something similar, but I want something that is PvE with hardly any PvP as we prefer to take it at our own pace and not have to worry about gankings, etc...
Can any players that enjoy WoW PvE recommend another MMORPG type game that they think we will enjoy.
Thanks in advance
Dude quite telling people thousands of people are leaving. Not only is that exaggrating numbers, but it negative advertising. Every patch thousands of players leave, but thousands more take your and everyone elses places. And having players leave by the thousands is minor since this game has over 6 million players.
Only a CM or DEV of the game could care as much as you just did in that post. So you work for WOW are you a peacekeeper? You make posts to hype the game up in off blizzard forums? Please spare us.
I've had it with MMORPG's overall. They are so boring... the only one I truly liked is gone now anyway.
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Yeah, WoWs loosing subscribers, and not just a few either. Thier lame rip-off of EQ's endgame is only hastening thier demise. If there was any other decent MMO out right now, Blizz would be in a lot of trouble. The only people that believe that new subscribers are replacing players that have cancelled are current players that refuse to believe that a game that they have so much time invested in is being flushed down the toilet by shortsighted dev's that have catered to less than 10% of thier playerbase (hardcore raiders) for far too long. The rest of the playerbase is tired of being second-class citizens, tired of useless tradeskills, unfair PvP (again, thanks to giving good gear to raiders exclusively), and no endgame whatsoever other than raid, raid, raid.
This Christmas is bringing MMO players a TON of brand new games, all of which are fully aware of the breathtaking stupidity that Tiglole and the rest of his merry band have inflicted on thier players, and there's no question that WoW is a doomed ship, sinking fast. Current creators of MMO's can clearly see what happens when the developers only create content for thier own preferred playstyle and no other.
Blizzard is trying to convice thier players that the new expansion will solve all the problems the game has right now, there will be more small group dungeons, 2 new races, etc. But the REALITY? More of the same old regurgitated hardcore raiding garbage that most players will never see... a whole new tier of gear for Tigole and his raider friends to steamroll people in PvP, new tradeskills that will be useless unless you are in a hardcore raiding guild so you can get the materials to make anything decent, and if the majority of the playerbase wants anything to do at all that does not require raiding with 39 other lemmings, I'm sure they will add some mind-numbing faction grinds that take months of killing the same mobs for some meaningless garbage rewards. After all, that's what passes for "content" at the Blizzard offices. Make uber drops for hardcore raiders, and screw the rest of the players... after all, they really should just raid or quit...
Well, now people are quitting, and I don't blame them. I cancelled shortly after Tigloe's interview at the NYT, as did everyone I know. Just more players are starting to see that he wasn't kidding, and are waking up and cancelling in droves. The mods in the WoW forums are policing them alot more... can't have the forums all full of "I quit" posts, after all.
Tigole said that he just can not give non-raiders any gear or content that is comparable to what raiders get, it is a matter of philosophy... bigger raids with more people = more difficulty = the best stuff. Now they are starting to see just where that philosophy is taking them... to the same void of games that had great potential that were flushed down the toilet, (example SW:G) thanks to dev's that code for thier preferred playstyle, instead of what people actually WANT to play, or, god forbid, what was promised when we all bought the game.
When all the new titles come out this winter, and WoW players actually have some other choices of games to play, I will very much enjoy watching the news of server consolidations and layoffs at Blizzard. They deserve everything that's comming to them, the boldfaced lying bastards that they are.
Even now, when there are very limited choices in games to switch to, it's happening already. We told them it would happen. They didn't care. Let's see if they care after this Christmas, when thier only remaining accounts are all the hackers and goldfarming cheaters in Asia.
Those that know, don't need to be told. Those that don't know, won't listen.
Well the way I look at it is that Kaplan is getting pretty close to being fired. Vivendi/Universal are telling him to fix the problem with people listening the question is will he do it or keep up the raid or quit mentality. I don't see how 40 people is harder than 5 peope it all depends on the encounter and a 5 man encounter can be even harder than a 40 man encounter if set up right. I just don't see why they don't add long ass chain quests that will take a month each or a few weeks to complete that give raid level loot heck even raiders could do it. Addressing the problem of gear equality is really a simple thing no one wants the stuff for free just a way to get it without raiding that can be done at your own pace. Well if its doesn't change people will keep on leaving and Blizzard will learn from the mistake and maybe with WoW 2 in a few years it will be what the first should have been.
i played eq once, didnt enjoy it, i dont care much for eq either, we get alot of people saying how much better it is then wow then y quit eq and go to wow in the first place? go back to eq lol
If WOW brings massive outdoor PvP in the expansion,they'll keep the players and Blizzard will move in.
If not,WOW expansion will suffer greatly within 1-2 months and Blizzard will move on.
Blizzard have already 'won' enough; now they just want to keep the players. 6 million is an impressive figure,and they can work on that for their future projects. WOW 2? World of Starcraft?
Anyway,I'm making plans to move into EVE Online,so I've already long left WOW,but with fond memories of my first ever P2P MMO that was fun while it lasted. If the expansion delivers massive PvP I may consider returning to WOW and see if it fits the bill,but otherwise no dice.
Originally posted by Painthane Yeah, WoWs loosing subscribers, and not just a few either. Thier lame rip-off of EQ's endgame is only hastening thier demise. If there was any other decent MMO out right now, Blizz would be in a lot of trouble. The only people that believe that new subscribers are replacing players that have cancelled are current players that refuse to believe that a game that they have so much time invested in is being flushed down the toilet by shortsighted dev's that have catered to less than 10% of thier playerbase (hardcore raiders) for far too long. The rest of the playerbase is tired of being second-class citizens, tired of useless tradeskills, unfair PvP (again, thanks to giving good gear to raiders exclusively), and no endgame whatsoever other than raid, raid, raid. This Christmas is bringing MMO players a TON of brand new games, all of which are fully aware of the breathtaking stupidity that Tiglole and the rest of his merry band have inflicted on thier players, and there's no question that WoW is a doomed ship, sinking fast. Current creators of MMO's can clearly see what happens when the developers only create content for thier own preferred playstyle and no other. Blizzard is trying to convice thier players that the new expansion will solve all the problems the game has right now, there will be more small group dungeons, 2 new races, etc. But the REALITY? More of the same old regurgitated hardcore raiding garbage that most players will never see... a whole new tier of gear for Tigole and his raider friends to steamroll people in PvP, new tradeskills that will be useless unless you are in a hardcore raiding guild so you can get the materials to make anything decent, and if the majority of the playerbase wants anything to do at all that does not require raiding with 39 other lemmings, I'm sure they will add some mind-numbing faction grinds that take months of killing the same mobs for some meaningless garbage rewards. After all, that's what passes for "content" at the Blizzard offices. Make uber drops for hardcore raiders, and screw the rest of the players... after all, they really should just raid or quit... Well, now people are quitting, and I don't blame them. I cancelled shortly after Tigloe's interview at the NYT, as did everyone I know. Just more players are starting to see that he wasn't kidding, and are waking up and cancelling in droves. The mods in the WoW forums are policing them alot more... can't have the forums all full of "I quit" posts, after all. Tigole said that he just can not give non-raiders any gear or content that is comparable to what raiders get, it is a matter of philosophy... bigger raids with more people = more difficulty = the best stuff. Now they are starting to see just where that philosophy is taking them... to the same void of games that had great potential that were flushed down the toilet, (example SW:G) thanks to dev's that code for thier preferred playstyle, instead of what people actually WANT to play, or, god forbid, what was promised when we all bought the game. When all the new titles come out this winter, and WoW players actually have some other choices of games to play, I will very much enjoy watching the news of server consolidations and layoffs at Blizzard. They deserve everything that's comming to them, the boldfaced lying bastards that they are. Even now, when there are very limited choices in games to switch to, it's happening already. We told them it would happen. They didn't care. Let's see if they care after this Christmas, when thier only remaining accounts are all the hackers and goldfarming cheaters in Asia.
Do you have a link to Tigloe's interview with the NYT , it sounds like an interesting read
I think its hilarious that a few thousand people leave and think they even had an impact, unfortunately no one cares that you or any other person is leaving and they never will.
Thousand's leaving Wow, ha what about the ten's of thousands join EVERYDAY.
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Oh wow. I must of missed that PA.
If 2 million users connect and try to download a 400 MB patch over a 12 hour period Blizzard would need nearly 100 OC-48 connections to handle the load. I.E. it aint happening. Even if they bought the required OC-48 connections no internet backbone provider could even come remotley close to handleing that type of load. The only viable way to distribute that much data that quickly is swarming with a P2P product like bit torrent.
Professor Hubert Farnsworth - That question is less stupid but, you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.
PvP in EQ2 is separated into pve servers (only in a arena) and pvp server (similar to a wow pvp server with extra rules).
As to whteher thousands of people are leaving WoW, of course there are. The question is are more people signing up? WoW has always had alot of turnover and with about 2 Million players (and 4 million in China) in western market there are almost cetainly thousands leaving each month. If you had 1% cancelling each month that would be 20,000 people. Some source say WoW's average retention is 2 months so somewhere 0.5% iscertainly possible. This analysis is not so useful for the 4 million China subs as that sub model is not the same as the western model.
I persoanlly suspect that Blizz is losing much more than the projected 10,000 from above, but that number there is ceratinly reasonable for any game like WoW whether they are doing well or badly.
I wonder if they are doing that in anticipation of growth from burning crusade?
Please, can you tell me where you found any solid evidence of "many thousands of people leaving WoW"? Please tell me, I must know your source of information. I too have theorized for years that thousands of people are leaving WoW over somethinganother but I've yet to find the proof to back up my wildly exadurated claimes. PLEASE TELL ME!
/sarcasm off
If the expac does what it needs to do then yeah you are probably right. Its too late for me, but there are many many lingerers just hoping and praying for an excuse to forgive Blizz. I don't think the expac will do that, but hey its possible...
However I don't know that "steady stream" can really be accurately applied to Blizzard.
JsmasH the Magnificent
Siehst du mich
Erkennst du mich
Ganz tief in meinem Herz
ist noch ein Platz f?r dich
Ich suche dich
Ich sehne mich
nach dem was ich geliebt hab
doch ich find es nicht
JsmasH the Magnificent
However, it's misleading, because they're apparently getting 35,000 now player a month back.
I gotta be honest...15,000/6,000,000 is insignificant.
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
Never said everyone expliots though. Just saying no matter how you look at any mmo its a farm sadly.
Siehst du mich
Erkennst du mich
Ganz tief in meinem Herz
ist noch ein Platz f?r dich
Ich suche dich
Ich sehne mich
nach dem was ich geliebt hab
doch ich find es nicht
Only a CM or DEV of the game could care as much as you just did in that post. So you work for WOW are you a peacekeeper? You make posts to hype the game up in off blizzard forums? Please spare us.
$OE lies list
http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0
"
And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
Yeah, WoWs loosing subscribers, and not just a few either. Thier lame rip-off of EQ's endgame is only hastening thier demise. If there was any other decent MMO out right now, Blizz would be in a lot of trouble. The only people that believe that new subscribers are replacing players that have cancelled are current players that refuse to believe that a game that they have so much time invested in is being flushed down the toilet by shortsighted dev's that have catered to less than 10% of thier playerbase (hardcore raiders) for far too long. The rest of the playerbase is tired of being second-class citizens, tired of useless tradeskills, unfair PvP (again, thanks to giving good gear to raiders exclusively), and no endgame whatsoever other than raid, raid, raid.
This Christmas is bringing MMO players a TON of brand new games, all of which are fully aware of the breathtaking stupidity that Tiglole and the rest of his merry band have inflicted on thier players, and there's no question that WoW is a doomed ship, sinking fast. Current creators of MMO's can clearly see what happens when the developers only create content for thier own preferred playstyle and no other.
Blizzard is trying to convice thier players that the new expansion will solve all the problems the game has right now, there will be more small group dungeons, 2 new races, etc. But the REALITY? More of the same old regurgitated hardcore raiding garbage that most players will never see... a whole new tier of gear for Tigole and his raider friends to steamroll people in PvP, new tradeskills that will be useless unless you are in a hardcore raiding guild so you can get the materials to make anything decent, and if the majority of the playerbase wants anything to do at all that does not require raiding with 39 other lemmings, I'm sure they will add some mind-numbing faction grinds that take months of killing the same mobs for some meaningless garbage rewards. After all, that's what passes for "content" at the Blizzard offices. Make uber drops for hardcore raiders, and screw the rest of the players... after all, they really should just raid or quit...
Well, now people are quitting, and I don't blame them. I cancelled shortly after Tigloe's interview at the NYT, as did everyone I know. Just more players are starting to see that he wasn't kidding, and are waking up and cancelling in droves. The mods in the WoW forums are policing them alot more... can't have the forums all full of "I quit" posts, after all.
Tigole said that he just can not give non-raiders any gear or content that is comparable to what raiders get, it is a matter of philosophy... bigger raids with more people = more difficulty = the best stuff. Now they are starting to see just where that philosophy is taking them... to the same void of games that had great potential that were flushed down the toilet, (example SW:G) thanks to dev's that code for thier preferred playstyle, instead of what people actually WANT to play, or, god forbid, what was promised when we all bought the game.
When all the new titles come out this winter, and WoW players actually have some other choices of games to play, I will very much enjoy watching the news of server consolidations and layoffs at Blizzard. They deserve everything that's comming to them, the boldfaced lying bastards that they are.
Even now, when there are very limited choices in games to switch to, it's happening already. We told them it would happen. They didn't care. Let's see if they care after this Christmas, when thier only remaining accounts are all the hackers and goldfarming cheaters in Asia.
Those that know, don't need to be told.
Those that don't know, won't listen.
If WOW brings massive outdoor PvP in the expansion,they'll keep the players and Blizzard will move in.
If not,WOW expansion will suffer greatly within 1-2 months and Blizzard will move on.
Blizzard have already 'won' enough; now they just want to keep the players. 6 million is an impressive figure,and they can work on that for their future projects. WOW 2? World of Starcraft?
Anyway,I'm making plans to move into EVE Online,so I've already long left WOW,but with fond memories of my first ever P2P MMO that was fun while it lasted. If the expansion delivers massive PvP I may consider returning to WOW and see if it fits the bill,but otherwise no dice.
Thousand's leaving Wow, ha what about the ten's of thousands join EVERYDAY.
MMORPG's ive played
Earth and Beyond: shut down *tear*
Jaiden TE lvl 150 +++
Chikira JE lvl 128
*World of Warcraft: current
Tarion lvl 60 hunter
Anorus lvl 22 Warrior
*Vendetta-Online: inactive
Kioal Darkblade 8/8/5/10/9 Overall lvl 40
"in-development open beta"