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Israel is attacking their worst enemy, but it's worth it. They can't stop fighting or else everything and everywhere will become disasterous. So I would say "GO ISRAEL, KEEP ON FIGHTIN'!"
Anyway, the europeans and americans are moving out their forces out of Lebanon. What is President Bush doing? Why can't he use his troops to defend for themselves, for example, like in Iraq War? WTF!!!!
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these nations/people are poor man! Don't u understand that? Do you really think they can patrol a border effectively? Hundreds of kilometers of barren landscape.. Anyone can find a cozy spot to shoot rockets from and take their time getting on their mule and leaving.
Blue helmets all over those borders is what that place needs.
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Israel wants Lebanon to disarm the Hezbollah.
What they don't tell you is that in the 18 years Lebanon was partly occupied by Israel, they couldn't do that themselves.
Now they expect Lebanon, which just shook off Syrian occupation, and has virtually no armed forces, to do it.
lol Britoca, blue helmets shit in their pants and run away when they even hear a gun.
hope israel destroys all those damn stupid terrorist supporting muslim countries
If you think they're ineffective then u should think of ways of making them effective and not going around supporting bullies.
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why all those controversy about isreal and lebanon.lebanon has not even the size of berlin,one modern bomb like german or american bombs would be enought to destroy the whole country...
those countrys re not worth any controversy.. better talk about stuff like the bush administartion lol
and dont talk about stuff like a "WW3" thats so lol... we will have a big europe in 100years including all countrys in the e.u. and not a world war
I know there's plenty of other conflicts worldwide and we could start new threads for each one of those, but this thread just happens to be about israel and surrounding nations atm.
I like your optimism in the end there, I too dream of a one nation globe, the nation-state is the most outdated and archaic concept ever.
Where's Onemuslim btw?
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i'm here, i was just taking my beauty sleep while thinking of the slaughtered woman i saw on some video.
what do you need britoca?
on top of that, i jsut hope that people quit being stupid and think that the terrorists are doing something good for islam.
terrorists only support themselves.
on TOP of that, there is NO islamic country that applicates islamic rules, NO, not even Iran, Iran is not even CLOSE either.
and NO not even Afghanistan, they're not even that close either and NO, not even Saudia Arabia.
to be frank, there is not a single muslim country that realy follows the true islamic teachings and rules, non, ZERO, yes 0
so don't tell me oh those muslims, man, 1/3 of the whole muslims do not do the Salat ( prayer ), and there's more than 50% who don't do charity, and alot of people don't fast in ramadan, so where are the muslims?
in my pocket.
thankfully i do all of these things i mentioned, i have yet to do charity though because a year didn't pass since i first got my first salary hehe.
so if you're speaking terrorism and islam, well my friend, you're making a big mistake, because it's
Terrorism VS Islam
islam denounces terrorism in everyway, and those diaper/towel heads as you call them, if you think they are doing anything for islam you're pretty much mistaken, HELL, they themselves are not muslims, they're just crazy maniacs who know that they themselves are crazy maniacs and delude and fool people into some wierd wacko teachings and think it's from islam, Allah will take care of them soon enshallah, i hope he does, frankly i hope that the USA wipe out all of Iran for that sake.
First post in this thread, though I've been reading it awhile and have read every reply made here.
This makes sense though...I had no idea that you are OneMuslim, so that fits in to better my understanding of this thread at least. Choose one name please...it's confusing.
I have to say this is probably the first post you've made in this thread that I've agreed with at all. I am not a Muslim, but I also have nothing against them (aside from the radicals which you say yourself are not real Muslims). I don't have much to say in response to this really, though I would like to convey a feeling of relief that you feel this way, and that I'm sure others do.
You are a Muslim, so I would like to ask a quick religious-like question to you. What is the "official" biblical stance of Islam on Christianity and Judaism? I've heard many different variations, but would really like this cleared up.
Just for the record I do support Israel and don't believe in most of what you've said thus-far, but I wanted to comment on this.
Edit: On a side note, please don't spew the propaganda about "slaughtered women" from your post on the top of this page unless you mention all the slaughtered Israeli women and children as well from suicide bombings that have taken place when there was no war. Believe as you wish, I have no problem with it. But tell the whole story, not just the pieces that suit your needs.
I think that this war is going to be a failure for Israel, like Iraq was for America. Why?
Israel attacked Lebanon with the aim of rooting out Hezbollah, a terrorist organization. But in the process, they have killed numerous civilians. This will create distress among the population and churn out even more terrorists. As we have seen in Iraq and Afghanistan, you can't get rid of terrorists through invasions. Invasions only create more terrorists. The right way to get rid of these terrorist groups would be by funding money to the governments of Lebanon and Palestine, instead of imposing sanctions on them. If we even gave Lebanon and Palestine half the money we(the US) give Israel, the terrorism problem would be much less. Terrorism, as we have seen throughout the Middle East, festers in poor, unstable countries. Israel's invasion of Lebanon just guarantees that the cycle of violence will last that much longer.
What unjustified invasion of Lebanon? No such invasion has occoured.
Semi-Invasion you may call it, the Murderous campeign to massively slaughter the Lebanese people with Savage and coward tactics.
Call it what you like it's still justified.
i don't get it - state sponsored terrorism is justified because....??? it's done by a state rather than a couple of militants?
how can you justify violating U.N. and Geneva conventions as a government that is responsible for its own people?
how can you justify years and years of pre-emptive strikes and military occupation?
the only two nations that consistently ignore and violate global terrorist policy as defined by United Nations Doctrine are the U.S. and the state of Israel.
Hizbollah and Hamas indeed violate these policies as well - however they are not a state - they are a group - and generally radical and mislead individuals carry out their violence. It's deplorable and sad what they do.
However, as a state, with a government elected by it's own people, Israel actions are morally reprehensible and not justified logically when civil and human rights laws and thinking are applied.
In a fight to the death, it is justified to kill. Always.
Proportionailty?
If a mob of 20 people kill your sister and then turn on your mother. The proportional response is just to kill one of them.
And then when they kill your mother, kill another one.
The smart thing to do is kill all twenty as fast as you can.
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Sod proportionality. The most important factor in War is to prevent your enemies from being able to kill you. Do whatever it takes to save your loved ones. Any action that saves the life of your children is proportional.
You are attempting to sanitise war, to turn it into some balanced tit for tat death ratio.
If needs be, I'll kill you all to enable the survival of my family, and that is a proportional response.
I think it's already a success. Hizbollah will think twice before attacking next time.
Israel has demanded a heavy price that will affect all of their lives for years to come. Every one in Lebanon, friend and foe has had a little refresher course in what happens to bad neighbours.
If they got away with it scot free, they would rapidly do it again. There must be a price. Israel is exacting that price.
If Israel did not attack, the cycle of violence would not stop, it would continue, but in the next phase the heavy casualties would be Israeli not Lebanese.
Bearing in mind that all the money we give to Israel is spent on weapons, what do you think the palestinians and Lebanese would buy with it. Backing the other side in this war won't stop it, it will just change who is most likely to win.
I think it's already a success. Hizbollah will think twice before attacking next time.
Israel has demanded a heavy price that will affect all of their lives for years to come. Every one in Lebanon, friend and foe has had a little refresher course in what happens to bad neighbours.
If they got away with it scot free, they would rapidly do it again. There must be a price. Israel is exacting that price.
If Israel did not attack, the cycle of violence would not stop, it would continue, but in the next phase the heavy casualties would be Israeli not Lebanese.
Bearing in mind that all the money we give to Israel is spent on weapons, what do you think the palestinians and Lebanese would buy with it. Backing the other side in this war won't stop it, it will just change who is most likely to win.
Yes! Lets stop the cycle of violence! Fighting a Nazi only creates more Nazis. Fighting the Imperial japanese only makess more Japanese! I mean look at how crowded it is in Japan, they need living space. Where is your compassion and humanity? Gee wiz.
GO ISRAEL!
Perhaps God will come back, use his chosen army for the nth time, and give Israel righteousness to wage offensive war and wipe Islam off the Earth forever and ever Amen. Before anyone accuses me of being a religious bigot, open up the old testimate and read a few stories. Am I religious bigot, or theorizing off of the old testimate? For if you moderate me, you are censoring the old testimate, and are a religious bigor yourself. BwHAHAHAhAA!!! Just trying to have fun.
Underlined. Underlined is obnoxious. I can barely read this stuff. verilly verilly I say unto you, whosoever do the hokey pokey and turn yourself around, thats what its all about. Ok I've been reading too much bible lately. I already went through the old sci-fi/fantasy stories 10 times already, and after the 10th time it gets a little borring. I ran out of reading material.