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Is todays society to blame?
blondeh
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I just been sitting here bored and came across another idiot on the forums who has been playing SWG for about 4 months and it made me think.
Is the way people are brought up nowadays and the society around us, another reason why SWG and other mmorpg games dont suit an older audience.
I'm not ancient, I'm 25 years old but when I was younger I wasnt sitting in doors playing video games I was outside, in the woods building bases with old bits of wood, bows from twigs pretending apples I'd picked off trees were grenades. Making rope swings. Bascially building my own adventure, using my imaginaton and arguing with my friends over who was Optimus Prime, or who was Superman in games we would play.I read lots of books (Choose you own adventure were awsome) and I loved to draw and make up my own cartoon characters.I loved using my imagination in creating my own worlds and Adventrues, not have somebody else preach me theirs (NGE).
I was brought up with manners, discipline and also love and caring. Sometimes I hated my dad for my physical punishment but in the end it made me a stronger person. I respected him and I respected my parents. I had to work for things. Nothing was ever just given to me. No amount of screaming was gonna help me (Not that I'd dare complain).
Todays Society seems to be full of arrogant, know it all, abusive, "I want" kids. I'm not blaming the kids. I'm not an expert on Parental methods or social bahviour. I just know what I see around me. Look at todays mmorpg's. Simple things for simple minds. Kids can do as they please without their parents being able to truly control their kids for fear of being sent to prison.
Have they got used to having things easy and handed to them? As they get older do they want it just the same in any walk of life they take. Be it work, games or family. Look at how many marriages break up after short periods. People dont want to work with/at things they just want it all easy and handed to them.
Even Nancy from SOE basically promoted easy and instant gratification in SWG. She thought reading was a bad idea. I'd like to ask her. Did she get her job instantly given to her. I bet her journey to where she got would be a story to tell. So was my SWG life from when I 1st stepped into Coronet up until I completed the padawan trials and had the Star Wars theme played to me. I felt I'd accomplisehd something for my efforts. I like challenges and I enjoy being rewarded for hard work and determination.
Kids today get rewarded for nothing much. Teachers cant even tell a kid they have failed in school. They have to word it right just incase they hurt the poor kids feelings. Everything is handed to people and everything is being made easy and lazy for us. I saw a shower the other day that had a remote control. You can wake up in the morning and turn it on from your bed...because getting up and turning it on at the point is such an effort!
Did SOE take their approach (maybe not consciencely) to SWG because they felt people needed that instant gratification because thats what todays people want. Nobody wants to work for anything anymore. Why work in a game when they can just give it to you and you'll still be happy.
If people that fought in WW1 and 2 could see what has happened to us now, they would be turning in their graves. I thought we fought for freedom not dictatorship....ahh thats another topic all together.
Anyway I think im starting to mumble now. Just incase any of you work on an exam board or are English teachers I apologise for any spelling errors or lack of punctuation. I also apologise if this has been brought up before or if I just wasted 5 minutes of you life for reading this.
I hope you understand at what I mean. I'm not a great writer.
I want my own life but I feel like I have to live others.
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I think you are reading too much into this E.G. why is wow so popular - i belive it is due to the fact wow will guide you by the hand from level 1 to level 70 with content & consitancy all the way, well why choose wow surely over games over this & while they do most are buggy or not as clear as wow is.
No one is to blame for most people liking wow its just so easy to pick up and play - where as eve which i must admit is a very good game takes a while to get into so doesnt have the wow numbers.
To conclude NGE isnt us the gamers fault but pure and simple down to SOE's stupidity thinking they could kick us (Vets) out and replace us with the wow adience that aint intrested in Star Wars.
My generation = Battle Hardened
New Generation = Pussies.
Next Generation = Worse than New Gen.
I am 21 and agree with OP. I am from Kentucky where beatings are readily handed out to kids. Although to much lesser extent now than when I was growing up and man can you tell it.
Shrug, I don't have cold hard facts for you. I just have my observations and as a person who looks at things from a scientific view and not a sociological point of view. It's all that I need to believe that I am right.
While there are many similarities, the difference between countries is noticable.
In the end though, it comes down to individuals.
Oh, and, yea: You young whippersnappers don't have any clue how hard it was for us. Through the rain, and therough the snow, up the hill in downwind we went. And we loved it. So shut yer piehole and suck it up.
Shrug, I don't have cold hard facts for you. I just have my observations and as a person who looks at things from a scientific view and not a sociological point of view. It's all that I need to believe that I am right.
You state that you believe in scientific evidence so why not go play an FPS, if a player comments on how good a shot it was then you can reply what is your age then you will have scientific evidence not just speculation, to say everyone bellow hmm 19 wants an easy game is just using a flawed logic
I do play FPS, I have since forever but I havent gotten into them hardcore since Quake Team Fortress when you had to type IP's to join games.. Dunno the newer games appear to take less skill since you dont have skirmishes that last for a bit... A bullet bouncing off the ground can one shot you which I know is more real but I dislike that style of play...
"What will become of our people with this new generation?"
Egyptian tomb, 3000 BC.
I'm not so much into this, "these kids nowadays" type stuff. No matter what generation you are in, it seems kids are just going to be kids.
However, no matter what generation you come from, something happens around 25 that makes you less suseptable to hype, more deliberate, more rational, and more cautious. The very things that cannot help but defeat Madison Avenue at every turn.
That, more than anything else, is why SOE and others want the young folk. They don't have bills, they don't have anything they want to save for, and are easily separated from their disposable income. They don't have to work as hard to sell to them, then they do to sell to us.
Also, game companies like MMOs for one reason, and one reason only: its something that they can issue a recurring bill for. Today's MMO is just an action game like Tomb Raider played on a common server. There is no emphasis on depth, because the only real goal is to create a game that can generate recurring bills.
We adults have enough recurring bills, and the young ones don't have any.
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"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
There are plenty of single player games that can keep most gamers for a max of 10 hours play and forget SWG, SOE isnt worth it
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Which brings us back on topic - it isnt the younger gamers fault for the NGE but due to SOE using a flawed logic to implement it
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There are plenty of single player games that can keep most gamers for a max of 10 hours play and forget SWG, SOE isnt worth it
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Which brings us back on topic - it isnt the younger gamers fault for the NGE but due to SOE using a flawed logic to implement it
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Dunno it's catering to the masses.... You said there are more casual players than hardcore soooo... To cater to the masses they made things less complex.. Not to say it isn't DIRECTLY SOE's fault for this but either way it is what it is and they can try to polish that turd all they want but if you taste, touch, or smell it. It matters not - it's still a turd.
P.S. 23:19 when posting this as i also stay in U.K but still disagree with it being down to the yonger player that caused the NGE.
P.S. 23:19 when posting this as i also stay in U.K but still disagree with it being down to the yonger player that caused the NGE.
I wasnt trying to blame the younger players but the society around us that teaches the younger people that lazy is ok. I was really just having thought running through my head and decided to write them down. The younger people didnt ask to br brought into the world. Its the world around them that has influenced there ideals
Thats just my opinion though
Beatnik59 made some awsome points
P.S. 23:19 when posting this as i also stay in U.K but still disagree with it being down to the yonger player that caused the NGE.
I wasnt trying to blame the younger players but the society around us that teaches the younger people that lazy is ok. I was really just having thought running through my head and decided to write them down. The younger people didnt ask to br brought into the world. Its the world around them that has influenced there ideals
Thats just my opinion though
Beatnik59 made some awsome points
I am such the opposite of a fanboi that like them i belive SOE is the do all & end all of everything, i belive SOE did this beacuse they think by turning an half assed piece of software into a buggy WOW will attract more players - not that society is dishing out more lazy people nowadays.
If the latter is true god help us all
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Another example - The Elder Scrolls Oblivion - absolute junk - way to easy and linear and the forums over there are full of this same type of argument how the consolers need things to be spoon fed to them.
Kudos to the original poster for a well thought out analysis and to everybody else who has posted well thought out replies.
What I think may have happened is that SOE and us anti-NGE people see eye-to-eye on why WoW is more popular. It revulses us, but makes SOE drool over the idea of getting 6 million subs. AND both SOE and the anti-NGE crowd are wrong about what makes WoW appealing. Is it possible that people like WoW for reasons other than those reasons that make us hate it?
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
To the OP it sounds li9ke we grew up in the same enviornment..
While I can say not all kids now a days are part of the gimme gimme now crowd, I do come across a lot who behave this way. And Its backed up by the parents. You see the kids gets pissed when the parents tell them no, and then turn around and give the kids what they want to get them to shut up etc... Not all but a lot.
I would say the forums now compared to way back in the day you can see a difference in the way the posts are typed out, and the types of complaints.
To the poster with the battle hardend, pussy, worse etc... I agree... The attnetion span of each subsequent generation seems to get worse. I suppose it has to do with technology. Back in my days (god I hate saying that) the news was the evening news, and was not 24 hours. Now days you have 24 hours + of constant everything from cable and satelite etc...
I also think it has a lot to do with how we were entertained growing up. I do remeber playing in the woods creating my own adventures much like yours.. The kids now days are on the computer 24/7... We had to make our adventures.. They get to play other peoples adventures... Creativity lvl is down (thats my opinion) and mainly from dealing with friends kids and cousins who are a lot younger than me.
As an example I went to my unlces lake house with a large group of family (immidiate and extended). While I was out on the Lake having fun my much younger cousin was locked in his room playing on his laptop computer...
Anyways...
Xcathdra
Having access to a billion $ IP - Billions of dollars..
Having access to a massive fan base of said IP - Even more Billons...
Singly handedly alienating them due to stupidity - Priceless.
2 words older gamers will understand and younger gamers will only hear of in legend....
"NINTENDO HARD"
SWG: 3 years, 3 game systems, 28 publish systems, 2 chapters, 0 smuggeling
OP what you said is true. I grew up the same way is you doing some of the same things you did and yes I also read a lot and used that novel thing called an imagination. It is a proven fact that most Gen "Y" kids are all about the instant gratification and nothing about earning anything. We are Gen "X" and no we don't and probably never will get along with that generation of people for many reasons.
I agree its all about life on the fly today . When I was young I enjoyed taking my time to trully enjoy what I was experiencing /Creating .Todays society is in a constant fast forward . Everyone living life , on their rush to the top . Most people are never happy with where they are. Most always want to be somewhere higher.
This is now boiling over into our entertainment . Movies , Music , Sports and games have all taken a huge hit in the last decade . They are completely watered down . . Though games are a bit younger , They still follow this downward spiral .
The sad thing is this media pattern will only get worse , The further we come along technologically .
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
What these companies need to remember, if they want to target my child to play their games, well then they have another thing coming b/c i wont buy my child any of THEIR products just so my child can play. I grew up playing their products , then they turned around and screwed me over. People need to wake up and smell the blood coming from your backs b/c thats what they did , they came up from behind you while you were playing their games and stabbed you in the back for it.
Ask yourself this very question, parents are suppose to be a role model for their children, if your gonna boycott and not play SOE games and or not play SWG b/c of what SOE did, i hope for your sake you keep your word. Im getting tired of hearing all these vets here who are crying that they miss the game and was forced to go back. Go ahead and do that b/c you know what, your just showing a bad example to your fellow game and to your child.
My advice to all of you who call yourself SWG vets ...... GROW SOME BALLS AND CANCEL.
P.S for the lady vets ...... get A BACKBONE AND CANCEL.
P.S.S , sorry to be harsh, but somebody has to knock you guys back to reality. Goodluck to you all.