Originally posted by Kuzzle Originally posted by VixenHeart I eat meat, I eat veal, I eat greens, I eat bread, I eat whatever the hell I want... and by God there's no one who's going to tell me I'm wrong... I sure love veal. I grew up on a farm. Lets be real people. I shouldn't have ever eaten a chicken because my family raised them for food. Oh boo.
You're wrong! ...Sorry, had to say it because of how you worded that. Anyway, the only reason I'd like to be a vegetarian is because I don't like the thought of taking a life. Animals aren't less than people. Humans are animals, too, ya know. I mean, sure, there are some really stupid animals for whom I would not risk my life to save, but there are also plenty of smart animals. At least people aren't eating the ones commonly viewed as intellegent... Oh wait, some people think horses are smart, and some people eat them! Yeah... I don't eat them, but I don't see anything more wrong with it than eating a cow. In fact, I wouldn't really be any more opposed to it, though I wouldn't be thrilled about the idea. The only way I'd eat a donkey, though, would be if I was in danger of starving to death, and I didn't have to kill it. I just don't think I'd have the heart to say my life was worth more than their's... Plants are alive too, you just dont hear them scream when you slice them up.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
Originally posted by VixenHeart So lets call all the horses, chickens, dogs, cats and birds to vote in 2008 since they are no less then people. I see your point, but come on.
I bet they could figure out how to use a butterfly ballot properly. Sorry, couldn't resist.
Whats happening in Chicken Factorys is disguisting, in the movie it was critisizing PETA for showing similaritys between nazi war camps and chicken farms. But they miss the point, its not the fact humans are worth more then chikens, its the fact that this kind of treatment is being committed daily by us, and nobody seems to care.
Sure that chickens just going to end in someones stomach, but it lives for around a year before then. It doesnt deserve a life crammed in a cage.
To the person who complained about the chickens getting set free. The solution is simple, sell free range chickens, setup fences so the foxes cant get in.
Some of the PETA values are OTT imo, such as not having pets and absolute animal freedom. Animals live on people land, where are they supposed to go if farmers grow crops instead...
Pets provide homes for animals that may face extinction, and farms are the only answer for other animals.
PETA need to get realistic...
However, testing on animals shoulud be reserved to life saving research... Not Cosmetics.
EDIT: Just want to add. Some people fail to see it, but animals are slaves, as it was stated in that google vid. When we create AI's we will treat them in the same fashion.. as slaves, the only problem is they will be inteligent enough to respond.
Originally posted by godpuppet To the person who complained about the chickens getting set free. The solution is simple, sell free range chickens, setup fences so the foxes cant get in.
From that post by Baff:
Back when Free range chickens was their battle of day, they used to come and let all my chickens out in the middle of the night. (And spray paint Nazi symbols all over my walls).
At which point the fox would promptly kill the lot of them.
Which of course is why I locked up my free range chickens every night in the first place.
What we have here is failure to communicate.
Which is exactly the thing about PETA (and others). Do first to "save", think about what would have been a smart choice later.
Originally posted by godpuppet To the person who complained about the chickens getting set free. The solution is simple, sell free range chickens, setup fences so the foxes cant get in.
Oh god. Here we go. Another expert from the inner city.
Foxes leap over fences.
Foxes dig under fences.
From time to time foxes even break through walls.
Foxes can always get in. The harder you make it for them the less often they do it.
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I've got a better solution. Stay off my land. Stay out of my sheep.
Originally posted by baff Originally posted by godpuppet To the person who complained about the chickens getting set free. The solution is simple, sell free range chickens, setup fences so the foxes cant get in.
Oh god. Here we go. Another expert from the inner city.
Foxes leap over fences.
Foxes dig under fences.
From time to time foxes even break through walls.
Foxes can always get in. The harder you make it for them the less often they do it.
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I've got a better solution. Stay off my land. Stay out of my sheep.
I was born inner city but I moved out when I was 12, since then ive spent every summer working on farms and doing odd jobs around villages.
Some of the farms around here have special "pitch fork" like fences... Meaning they have metal underneath that digs 5ft into the ground... so even if the fox does manage to dig, it cant get past the metal bars...
Originally posted by VixenHeart In the end. Who really cares? I'm still going to feast on my chicken, meat, etc... and people are still going to protest and cry that poor chickens are being killed. So does it really effect me and a good population of other people in the end... no.
You know there are other very serious issues like the environment and people getting sick because of it that nobody here seems to understand.
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Originally posted by AlexAmore Originally posted by VixenHeart In the end. Who really cares? I'm still going to feast on my chicken, meat, etc... and people are still going to protest and cry that poor chickens are being killed. So does it really effect me and a good population of other people in the end... no.
You know there are other very serious issues like the environment and people getting sick because of it that nobody here seems to understand.
I went to college for environmental engineering. So I do understand.
Originally posted by AlexAmore Originally posted by VixenHeart In the end. Who really cares? I'm still going to feast on my chicken, meat, etc... and people are still going to protest and cry that poor chickens are being killed. So does it really effect me and a good population of other people in the end... no.
You know there are other very serious issues like the environment and people getting sick because of it that nobody here seems to understand.
Yeah, but will most people get sick from eating a chicken? No. There are bigger threats to the environment out there right now, so while I see your point, I'm going to have to say that there are other things I'd rather focus on. In the end, people won't act like you want them to. People will destroy themselves, though this isn't the route I say they'll take to do it. *shrug* Ehh...
Originally posted by Kuzzle Originally posted by AlexAmore Originally posted by VixenHeart In the end. Who really cares? I'm still going to feast on my chicken, meat, etc... and people are still going to protest and cry that poor chickens are being killed. So does it really effect me and a good population of other people in the end... no.
You know there are other very serious issues like the environment and people getting sick because of it that nobody here seems to understand.
Yeah, but will most people get sick from eating a chicken? No. There are bigger threats to the environment out there right now, so while I see your point, I'm going to have to say that there are other things I'd rather focus on. In the end, people won't act like you want them to. People will destroy themselves, though this isn't the route I say they'll take to do it. *shrug* Ehh...
I'm not talking about people getting sick from eating chicken, i'm talking about the people who live around factory farms and the fact that factory farms pollute the land and water.
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I'm not talking about people getting sick from eating chicken, i'm talking about the people who live around factory farms and the fact that factory farms pollute the land and water.
Oh, I see... Why would someone live around those places? I mean, I know they should cut it out with the polluting, but, seriously, why would someone choose a place like that to live?...
I'm not talking about people getting sick from eating chicken, i'm talking about the people who live around factory farms and the fact that factory farms pollute the land and water.
Oh, I see... Why would someone live around those places? I mean, I know they should cut it out with the polluting, but, seriously, why would someone choose a place like that to live?...
Factory farms pollute the air and the water for many miles in every direction, often spreading contamination and illness to the people who live and work nearby. A synopsis of a Senate Agricultural Committee report on farm pollution issued this warning about animal waste: “[I]t’s untreated and unsanitary, bubbling with chemicals and diseased organisms. … It goes onto the soil and into the water that many people will, ultimately, bathe in and wash their clothes with and drink. It is poisoning rivers and killing fish and making people sick. … Catastrophic cases of pollution, sickness, and death are occurring in areas where livestock operations are concentrated.”
When factory farms move into communities, the pollution that they bring causes increased rates of neurological disorders, respiratory diseases, miscarriages, bacterial infections, diarrhea, and stomach ailments; sometimes, the contamination leaves people permanently disabled or even dead. An investigative report that recently appeared in The New York Times lists just a small sample of the suffering that follows the arrival of a factory farm: “Paul Isbell of Houston, Miss., began experiencing seizures after a hog farm moved in down the road. … Kevin Pearson of Meservey, Iowa, carried a towel in his car because he vomited five or six times a week on his way to work. Julie Jansen’s six children suffered flulike symptoms and diarrhea when farms moved into their neighborhood in Renville, Minn. One of Ms. Jansen’s daughters was found by Dr. Kilburn to have neurological damage.”
The government and the animal flesh and dairy industries are well aware of the health problems caused by factory farms—one recent government report by the California State Senate admits, “Studies have also shown that [animal waste] lagoons emit toxic airborne chemicals that can cause inflammatory, immune, irritation, and neurochemical problems in humans.” Yet, despite overwhelming scientific evidence that proves factory farms cause significant damage to Americans’ health, the federal government and state officials continue to do nothing while the animal flesh, egg, and dairy industries pollute our air and water.
Why they don't leave? I have no idea but i'm sure there are thousands of reasons. This is one reason that I am vegan. People think all it does is hurt animals when infact it hurts us humans aswell. I won't support it ever. Then we have people like Baff who just keeps putting us vegans down. It's a thankless lifestyle. =P
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Wow. I didn't know all that stuff. I mean, it probably won't get me to change my diet yet, what with the aforementioned reasons still applying, but it's something to think about... Good post, AlexAmore.
Originally posted by Kuzzle Wow. I didn't know all that stuff. I mean, it probably won't get me to change my diet yet, what with the aforementioned reasons still applying, but it's something to think about... Good post, AlexAmore.
Well I can't take credit for it, but it's interesting.
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Well, in a sense they are a religion, although I personally think that religious institutions should not be tax-exempt as most of them are businesses.
The irony in their logic is the following:
If animals were no longer used for testing, then humans would have to be. However, humans are animals.
It's even more ironic how they dispose of animals instead of finding them homes; the same cost-effect basis is the very impetus for using animals for testing.
The government should have long raided them and sent their president to jail for having funded terrorists.
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
Originally posted by //\//\oo Well, in a sense they are a religion, although I personally think that religious institutions should not be tax-exempt as most of them are businesses. The irony in their logic is the following: If animals were no longer used for testing, then humans would have to be. However, humans are animals. It's even more ironic how they dispose of animals instead of finding them homes; the same cost-effect basis is the very impetus for using animals for testing. The government should have long raided them and sent their president to jail for having funded terrorists.
Animals are being tested for cosmetics, medicine, pleasure (Cigarettes for example). I think we all agree cosmetics and cigarettes are crazy so i'm not gonna talk about it. As for medicine there are alternatives http://caat.jhsph.edu/. Also these animals are put in cages and just crazy abuse and it's all for your well-being...thankless job huh? Plus testing medicine on a different species for its intended use is not good science. http://www.theecologist.org/current_issue/animal_testing.htm
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
Unfortunately, while I agree that the testing of products on animals that aren't quintessential for our existence is unnecessary, there are certain cases (i.e vaccines) where animal testing could save human lives.
I don't like to see animals suffer, but if it is to prevent the suffering/death of humans, then so be it.
I find it logical to not draw conclusions solely from animal testing, but to use animal testing as a sort of barrier to prevent the needless deaths of human test subjects; in most cases where a mouse would die, a human would die as well, so that fatal effects could be avoided beforehand. (I read the article on the inefficacy of animal testing you linked to).
The well-being of all members of our species should transcend anything else.
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
I was born inner city but I moved out when I was 12, since then ive spent every summer working on farms and doing odd jobs around villages.
Some of the farms around here have special "pitch fork" like fences... Meaning they have metal underneath that digs 5ft into the ground... so even if the fox does manage to dig, it cant get past the metal bars...
I have had them dig their set under my shed and move in, only the concrete floor stopped them. Little buggers.
Originally posted by AlexAmore PETA is mostly going after people like these http://www.meat.org/. Anyways the PETA movie couldn't even go after the vegan/vegetarian diet. Instead they had to go after an organization that has ...millions of members? So of course they find hypocrites...surprise!
If you guys eat meat and care about the environment then you're a hypocrite!
Going on a meat strike won't solve your problems. The animals will be dead reguardlessly (I don't want to sound evil, but that is what they are there for). Did they ever thought about what people are doing to plants? They are harvesting them, cutting them off the ROOT, THE ROOT, and putting them in plastic bags so they can't breathe and being shipped so they can be boiled, choped, raped, and striped of their nutrients, vitimans, and flavor....
Originally posted by AlexAmore Originally posted by Kuzzle
Originally posted by AlexAmore
I'm not talking about people getting sick from eating chicken, i'm talking about the people who live around factory farms and the fact that factory farms pollute the land and water.
Oh, I see... Why would someone live around those places? I mean, I know they should cut it out with the polluting, but, seriously, why would someone choose a place like that to live?...
Factory farms pollute the air and the water for many miles in every direction, often spreading contamination and illness to the people who live and work nearby. A synopsis of a Senate Agricultural Committee report on farm pollution issued this warning about animal waste: “[I]t’s untreated and unsanitary, bubbling with chemicals and diseased organisms. … It goes onto the soil and into the water that many people will, ultimately, bathe in and wash their clothes with and drink. It is poisoning rivers and killing fish and making people sick. … Catastrophic cases of pollution, sickness, and death are occurring in areas where livestock operations are concentrated.”
When factory farms move into communities, the pollution that they bring causes increased rates of neurological disorders, respiratory diseases, miscarriages, bacterial infections, diarrhea, and stomach ailments; sometimes, the contamination leaves people permanently disabled or even dead. An investigative report that recently appeared in The New York Times lists just a small sample of the suffering that follows the arrival of a factory farm: “Paul Isbell of Houston, Miss., began experiencing seizures after a hog farm moved in down the road. … Kevin Pearson of Meservey, Iowa, carried a towel in his car because he vomited five or six times a week on his way to work. Julie Jansen’s six children suffered flulike symptoms and diarrhea when farms moved into their neighborhood in Renville, Minn. One of Ms. Jansen’s daughters was found by Dr. Kilburn to have neurological damage.”
The government and the animal flesh and dairy industries are well aware of the health problems caused by factory farms—one recent government report by the California State Senate admits, “Studies have also shown that [animal waste] lagoons emit toxic airborne chemicals that can cause inflammatory, immune, irritation, and neurochemical problems in humans.” Yet, despite overwhelming scientific evidence that proves factory farms cause significant damage to Americans’ health, the federal government and state officials continue to do nothing while the animal flesh, egg, and dairy industries pollute our air and water.
Why they don't leave? I have no idea but i'm sure there are thousands of reasons. This is one reason that I am vegan. People think all it does is hurt animals when infact it hurts us humans aswell. I won't support it ever. Then we have people like Baff who just keeps putting us vegans down. It's a thankless lifestyle. =P
You missed the part where they put an end to famine.
Who cares about the rest of your nonsense. The reason you are a vegan is because you are unable to keep a reasonable perspective.
All of the rest of your opinion may be true, but it is minor in the extreme. The good outweighs the bad by a ludicrously immense factor. You are clutching at straws to justify something you feel is wrong and are unwilling to personally understand. Everybody enjoys their little rebellions, and this is yours.
Oh the pain that battery farms must cause to humans. This isn't some hunter gatherer society with a populations of thousands spread over the entire country, it's an industrialised nation with millions of people all living on top of eachother. They need food, YOU are not providing it, and farms are. You are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. When you have any of the answers, when you can provide a better way of life for the people of this world, you will find that your lifestyle is no longer thankless but has become greatly appreciated.
You are out of balance with nature, you have lost your sense of regular human priorities. I put you down because to encourage you would be irresponsable. I'm a teacher, it is my calling to confront ignorance.
Are you proposing we all just stop eating all together and allow the whole human race to slowly starve to death? I suppose that might be a positive thing for ol mother earth from an overall perspective, but damn, that's harsh.
"Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign." -baff
Originally posted by Rikimaru_X Originally posted by AlexAmore PETA is mostly going after people like these http://www.meat.org/. Anyways the PETA movie couldn't even go after the vegan/vegetarian diet. Instead they had to go after an organization that has ...millions of members? So of course they find hypocrites...surprise!
If you guys eat meat and care about the environment then you're a hypocrite!
Going on a meat strike won't solve your problems. The animals will be dead reguardlessly (I don't want to sound evil, but that is what they are there for). Did they ever thought about what people are doing to plants? They are harvesting them, cutting them off the ROOT, THE ROOT, and putting them in plastic bags so they can't breathe and being shipped so they can be boiled, choped, raped, and striped of their nutrients, vitimans, and flavor.... That little plant joke is as old as God. Again it's not just about the animals.
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
Originally posted by baff You missed the part where they put an end to famine. http://www.theanimalspirit.com/worldhunger.html Who cares about the rest of your nonsense. The reason you are a vegan is because you are unable to keep a reasonable perspective. All of the rest of your opinion may be true, but it is minor in the extreme. The good outweighs the bad by a ludicrously immense factor. You are clutching at straws to justify something you feel is wrong and are unwilling to personally understand. Everybody enjoys their little rebellions, and this is yours. You're saying a lot of nothing. Oh the pain that battery farms must cause to humans. This isn't some hunter gatherer society with a populations of thousands spread over the entire country, it's an industrialised nation with millions of people all living on top of eachother. They need food, YOU are not providing it, and farms are.
You are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. I am actively participating in eating vegan so I would say I support the solution. When you have any of the answers, when you can provide a better way of life for the people of this world, you will find that your lifestyle is no longer thankless but has become greatly appreciated. It's very easy and right in front of your nose. We haven't even gotten into the fossil fuels needed to produce animal protein, and we haven't even started to touch on topsoil depletion in the US and rainforests razed for cattle grazing ... Figure in population growth and increased food demands. It's not sustainable. You are out of balance with nature, you have lost your sense of regular human priorities. I put you down because to encourage you would be irresponsable. I'm a teacher, it is my calling to confront ignorance. I hope you don't eat any junkfood and drink soda Mr. Balancedwithnature.
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
This is simply my opinion and since everyone else is posting their opinion, I will post mine.
IMO PETA and others (vegans/vegetarians) are nuts, but I do not care! More meat for me! If you try to come and try to take my steak, I will shatter you malnourished-protein deficient fingers with the thighbone of the beast I am currently devouring. I will then sell your mangled carcass for scientific research.
As far as destroying the planet, we are not. We are damaging our habitat, but in the end the planet will survive. Even after the worst nuclear holocaust life would eventually come back and flourish on this rock we call the earth (granted they may be glow in the dark cockroaches).
In regards to the chicken farms, humans will get their just deserts in the end. When Admiral McCluck and Galactic Poultry Federation comes to free their enslaved cocks and hens, we will all pay a grave price.
This is entended as a joke (except the part about my steak)
I shoot for the curve... anything above that is gravy.
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Plants are alive too, you just dont hear them scream when you slice them up.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
Whats happening in Chicken Factorys is disguisting, in the movie it was critisizing PETA for showing similaritys between nazi war camps and chicken farms. But they miss the point, its not the fact humans are worth more then chikens, its the fact that this kind of treatment is being committed daily by us, and nobody seems to care.
Sure that chickens just going to end in someones stomach, but it lives for around a year before then. It doesnt deserve a life crammed in a cage.
To the person who complained about the chickens getting set free. The solution is simple, sell free range chickens, setup fences so the foxes cant get in.
Some of the PETA values are OTT imo, such as not having pets and absolute animal freedom. Animals live on people land, where are they supposed to go if farmers grow crops instead...
Pets provide homes for animals that may face extinction, and farms are the only answer for other animals.
PETA need to get realistic...
However, testing on animals shoulud be reserved to life saving research... Not Cosmetics.
EDIT: Just want to add. Some people fail to see it, but animals are slaves, as it was stated in that google vid. When we create AI's we will treat them in the same fashion.. as slaves, the only problem is they will be inteligent enough to respond.
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From that post by Baff:
Back when Free range chickens was their battle of day, they used to come and let all my chickens out in the middle of the night. (And spray paint Nazi symbols all over my walls).
At which point the fox would promptly kill the lot of them.
Which of course is why I locked up my free range chickens every night in the first place.
What we have here is failure to communicate.
Which is exactly the thing about PETA (and others). Do first to "save", think about what would have been a smart choice later.
Oh god. Here we go. Another expert from the inner city.
Foxes leap over fences.
Foxes dig under fences.
From time to time foxes even break through walls.
Foxes can always get in. The harder you make it for them the less often they do it.
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I've got a better solution. Stay off my land. Stay out of my sheep.
Oh god. Here we go. Another expert from the inner city.
Foxes leap over fences.
Foxes dig under fences.
From time to time foxes even break through walls.
Foxes can always get in. The harder you make it for them the less often they do it.
.
I've got a better solution. Stay off my land. Stay out of my sheep.
I was born inner city but I moved out when I was 12, since then ive spent every summer working on farms and doing odd jobs around villages.
Some of the farms around here have special "pitch fork" like fences... Meaning they have metal underneath that digs 5ft into the ground... so even if the fox does manage to dig, it cant get past the metal bars...
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In the end. Who really cares?
I'm still going to feast on my chicken, meat, etc... and people are still going to protest and cry that poor chickens are being killed.
So does it really effect me and a good population of other people in the end... no.
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
I went to college for environmental engineering. So I do understand.
Yeah, but will most people get sick from eating a chicken? No. There are bigger threats to the environment out there right now, so while I see your point, I'm going to have to say that there are other things I'd rather focus on. In the end, people won't act like you want them to. People will destroy themselves, though this isn't the route I say they'll take to do it. *shrug* Ehh...
Yeah, but will most people get sick from eating a chicken? No. There are bigger threats to the environment out there right now, so while I see your point, I'm going to have to say that there are other things I'd rather focus on. In the end, people won't act like you want them to. People will destroy themselves, though this isn't the route I say they'll take to do it. *shrug* Ehh...
I'm not talking about people getting sick from eating chicken, i'm talking about the people who live around factory farms and the fact that factory farms pollute the land and water.
______________________________
"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
Oh, I see... Why would someone live around those places? I mean, I know they should cut it out with the polluting, but, seriously, why would someone choose a place like that to live?...
Factory farms pollute the air and the water for many miles in every direction, often spreading contamination and illness to the people who live and work nearby. A synopsis of a Senate Agricultural Committee report on farm pollution issued this warning about animal waste: “[I]t’s untreated and unsanitary, bubbling with chemicals and diseased organisms. … It goes onto the soil and into the water that many people will, ultimately, bathe in and wash their clothes with and drink. It is poisoning rivers and killing fish and making people sick. … Catastrophic cases of pollution, sickness, and death are occurring in areas where livestock operations are concentrated.”
When factory farms move into communities, the pollution that they bring causes increased rates of neurological disorders, respiratory diseases, miscarriages, bacterial infections, diarrhea, and stomach ailments; sometimes, the contamination leaves people permanently disabled or even dead. An investigative report that recently appeared in The New York Times lists just a small sample of the suffering that follows the arrival of a factory farm: “Paul Isbell of Houston, Miss., began experiencing seizures after a hog farm moved in down the road. … Kevin Pearson of Meservey, Iowa, carried a towel in his car because he vomited five or six times a week on his way to work. Julie Jansen’s six children suffered flulike symptoms and diarrhea when farms moved into their neighborhood in Renville, Minn. One of Ms. Jansen’s daughters was found by Dr. Kilburn to have neurological damage.”
The government and the animal flesh and dairy industries are well aware of the health problems caused by factory farms—one recent government report by the California State Senate admits, “Studies have also shown that [animal waste] lagoons emit toxic airborne chemicals that can cause inflammatory, immune, irritation, and neurochemical problems in humans.” Yet, despite overwhelming scientific evidence that proves factory farms cause significant damage to Americans’ health, the federal government and state officials continue to do nothing while the animal flesh, egg, and dairy industries pollute our air and water.
http://www.goveg.com/ffAndEnviro.asp
Why they don't leave? I have no idea but i'm sure there are thousands of reasons.
This is one reason that I am vegan. People think all it does is hurt animals when infact it hurts us humans aswell. I won't support it ever. Then we have people like Baff who just keeps putting us vegans down. It's a thankless lifestyle. =P
______________________________
"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
Well, in a sense they are a religion, although I personally think that religious institutions should not be tax-exempt as most of them are businesses.
The irony in their logic is the following:
If animals were no longer used for testing, then humans would have to be. However, humans are animals.
It's even more ironic how they dispose of animals instead of finding them homes; the same cost-effect basis is the very impetus for using animals for testing.
The government should have long raided them and sent their president to jail for having funded terrorists.
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
______________________________
"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
Unfortunately, while I agree that the testing of products on animals that aren't quintessential for our existence is unnecessary, there are certain cases (i.e vaccines) where animal testing could save human lives.
I don't like to see animals suffer, but if it is to prevent the suffering/death of humans, then so be it.
I find it logical to not draw conclusions solely from animal testing, but to use animal testing as a sort of barrier to prevent the needless deaths of human test subjects; in most cases where a mouse would die, a human would die as well, so that fatal effects could be avoided beforehand. (I read the article on the inefficacy of animal testing you linked to).
The well-being of all members of our species should transcend anything else.
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
Some of the farms around here have special "pitch fork" like fences... Meaning they have metal underneath that digs 5ft into the ground... so even if the fox does manage to dig, it cant get past the metal bars...
I have had them dig their set under my shed and move in, only the concrete floor stopped them. Little buggers.
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Oh, I see... Why would someone live around those places? I mean, I know they should cut it out with the polluting, but, seriously, why would someone choose a place like that to live?...
Factory farms pollute the air and the water for many miles in every direction, often spreading contamination and illness to the people who live and work nearby. A synopsis of a Senate Agricultural Committee report on farm pollution issued this warning about animal waste: “[I]t’s untreated and unsanitary, bubbling with chemicals and diseased organisms. … It goes onto the soil and into the water that many people will, ultimately, bathe in and wash their clothes with and drink. It is poisoning rivers and killing fish and making people sick. … Catastrophic cases of pollution, sickness, and death are occurring in areas where livestock operations are concentrated.”
When factory farms move into communities, the pollution that they bring causes increased rates of neurological disorders, respiratory diseases, miscarriages, bacterial infections, diarrhea, and stomach ailments; sometimes, the contamination leaves people permanently disabled or even dead. An investigative report that recently appeared in The New York Times lists just a small sample of the suffering that follows the arrival of a factory farm: “Paul Isbell of Houston, Miss., began experiencing seizures after a hog farm moved in down the road. … Kevin Pearson of Meservey, Iowa, carried a towel in his car because he vomited five or six times a week on his way to work. Julie Jansen’s six children suffered flulike symptoms and diarrhea when farms moved into their neighborhood in Renville, Minn. One of Ms. Jansen’s daughters was found by Dr. Kilburn to have neurological damage.”
The government and the animal flesh and dairy industries are well aware of the health problems caused by factory farms—one recent government report by the California State Senate admits, “Studies have also shown that [animal waste] lagoons emit toxic airborne chemicals that can cause inflammatory, immune, irritation, and neurochemical problems in humans.” Yet, despite overwhelming scientific evidence that proves factory farms cause significant damage to Americans’ health, the federal government and state officials continue to do nothing while the animal flesh, egg, and dairy industries pollute our air and water.
http://www.goveg.com/ffAndEnviro.asp
Why they don't leave? I have no idea but i'm sure there are thousands of reasons.
This is one reason that I am vegan. People think all it does is hurt animals when infact it hurts us humans aswell. I won't support it ever. Then we have people like Baff who just keeps putting us vegans down. It's a thankless lifestyle. =P
You missed the part where they put an end to famine.
Who cares about the rest of your nonsense. The reason you are a vegan is because you are unable to keep a reasonable perspective.
All of the rest of your opinion may be true, but it is minor in the extreme. The good outweighs the bad by a ludicrously immense factor. You are clutching at straws to justify something you feel is wrong and are unwilling to personally understand. Everybody enjoys their little rebellions, and this is yours.
Oh the pain that battery farms must cause to humans. This isn't some hunter gatherer society with a populations of thousands spread over the entire country, it's an industrialised nation with millions of people all living on top of eachother. They need food, YOU are not providing it, and farms are. You are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. When you have any of the answers, when you can provide a better way of life for the people of this world, you will find that your lifestyle is no longer thankless but has become greatly appreciated.
You are out of balance with nature, you have lost your sense of regular human priorities. I put you down because to encourage you would be irresponsable. I'm a teacher, it is my calling to confront ignorance.
lolerskates Riki.
Are you proposing we all just stop eating all together and allow the whole human race to slowly starve to death? I suppose that might be a positive thing for ol mother earth from an overall perspective, but damn, that's harsh.
"Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign."
-baff
That little plant joke is as old as God. Again it's not just about the animals.
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http://vegetarian.about.com/od/vegetarianvegan101/f/fossilfuels.htm
http://vegetarian.about.com/od/vegetarianvegan101/f/forestclearcut.htm
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-cheer leading, flag waving American
IMO PETA and others (vegans/vegetarians) are nuts, but I do not care! More meat for me! If you try to come and try to take my steak, I will shatter you malnourished-protein deficient fingers with the thighbone of the beast I am currently devouring. I will then sell your mangled carcass for scientific research.
As far as destroying the planet, we are not. We are damaging our habitat, but in the end the planet will survive. Even after the worst nuclear holocaust life would eventually come back and flourish on this rock we call the earth (granted they may be glow in the dark cockroaches).
In regards to the chicken farms, humans will get their just deserts in the end. When Admiral McCluck and Galactic Poultry Federation comes to free their enslaved cocks and hens, we will all pay a grave price.
This is entended as a joke (except the part about my steak)
I shoot for the curve... anything above that is gravy.