Originally posted by ConverseSC Interesting choice of words. You ARE aware Charles Darwin was an Anglican Christian, right?
I don't believe this at all. Perhaps people just SAY he's Christian now that he's dead. I know he went to an Anglican school and got married in an Anglican church...but I just don't find it likely.
I know where you're coming from. There's the debate about his deathbed announcements. At least until the age of 40 he was a devout Anglican. After that is where things become fuzzy and I can't even say anything with any sense of certainty. I don't know if he DIED a Christian but he lived a good deal of his life openly as one.
Then again, Darwin is probably one of the most misunderstood men in history. Both Christians and Atheists alike have accredited him with creating the Theories of Human Evolution when most of know he was known for Adaptive Evolution, not creational. If there's anyone out there who can argue Adaptive Evolution they are obviously blind. But forever reason a lot of people called him a heretic becuase they had linked the word "evolution" to blasphemy. That was sad.
I can't say now whether he died a Christian or not and I am afriad I won't be able to answer that till the day I die . But I can see your point clearly.
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
Even if he did believe in it (which I doubt) we can still use his own theories against him.
I've also seen on a TV show about the rapture that you can buy rapture emergency kits and there is a service that will take care of your pets when you get raptured. rofl.
Well he DID at the very least believe it in one time. Read his journals which you can find at any decent sized library.
As for the the "Rapture Emergency Kits" they make sense to me. If 10s if not 100s of million of people across the planet disappear instantly one day you can imagine the chaos that would ensue. However, the pet kennel service is a little out there to even me. I mean, am I suppose to come back and get my pet after a certain amount of time? /shrug
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
I wish even Darwin could do something about the terrible MMORPG.COM servers.
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
"Many have made a trade of delusions and false miracles, deceiving the stupid multitude." "Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretche mortals, open your eyes!"
- Leonardo Da Vinci
all I have to say, and basicly all that needed to be said.
Black holes are in the process of being disproved.... Ohhhh you weak minded cult following Fools who believed in crazy black holes.... You guys are soo silly and believed the hype about black holes that was all just a big hoax... used so that when you figure out the truth you'd hit your head and be like "man i was stupid"... I feel for you weak minded people ... you shouldn't stand too close to a microwave... i dont think your brain could take it... it might melt under the pressure...
oooooohhhhh you weak minded fools..
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A lot of people assumed the rapture would happen at the millenium, much like was predicted at the previous millenium.
There was no rapture belief at the previous millenium.
It's only something that has been popularized over the past 200 years, before then, there was no such belief in what most commonly refer to as the rapture.
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
Originally posted by Link4009 How about we stop this whole thread before it gets a bit too out of hand,
and plus its just boring me now.
I can't help but say the same thing I've said so many times on these forums when people think they alone should be the deciding factor in what we discuss. If you're bored, moved on. Some of us are actually enjoying discussing these sorts of things.
I will concede to you that, if it gets "out of hand", it should be closed. However, as long as it's being discussed in a civil manner there's nothing wrong with it. I find a little irony in you calling for it to be stopped before it gets out of hand when your first comment was calling people stupid. Just let those of us who like to debate in a peaceful manner debate.
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
A lot of people assumed the rapture would happen at the millenium, much like was predicted at the previous millenium.
There was no rapture belief at the previous millenium.
It's only something that has been popularized over the past 200 years, before then, there was no such belief in what most commonly refer to as the rapture.
Shadus, I believe, is speaking of those who thought the rapture would take place at the turn of the LAST Millenium, the year 2000. There was indeed belief in The Rapture just a scant 6 years ago.
While "The Rapture" and Dispensationalism as concepts were brought about in the late 1800s (1860s for the most part were when the beliefs became widespread), the basis of these beliefs was in Scripture LONG before the concepts were designed. Dispensationalism is nothing more than an amalgamtion of timelines and cross-references of Scriptures.
The idea of The Rapture comes namely from 1 Thessalonians 4:16,17. That idea has been around A LOT longer than Dispensationalism which coined the term "The Rapture". That was just a phrase used to describe those beliefs and their interpretation.
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
Wait, i think i might have missed this in the link, but who are the emails too? God? Does he have a computer, and how the hell would they have his e-mail address if so?
Originally posted by Xexima Wait, i think i might have missed this in the link, but who are the emails too? God? Does he have a computer, and how the hell would they have his e-mail address if so?
I imagine he uses a MAC .....
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Originally posted by Xexima Wait, i think i might have missed this in the link, but who are the emails too? God? Does he have a computer, and how the hell would they have his e-mail address if so?
The letters aren't to be sent to God, but to loved ones that were "Left Behind".
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
Originally posted by sewash I hear there is finger popping and 24 hour shopping in rapture.
Who's shopping? It's time for the looting. You can't face the end of days without a new plasma screen.
Without getting into some long argument on religion that happens frequently on this forum, really how arrogant can you get? Who the hell are these people that they think for sure that they would be chosen? I've always wondered since this pseudo-christianity started springing up more what these people would do if the Rapture did happen and they were left behind. They'd probably end up going on a three state kill spree.
I believe in the rapture, but I don't believe in pre-trib rapture. Yep. It's gonna be rough, but I pride myself on my indifference through ignorance. I like to take things in stride. I seriously doubt it will ever occur in my time anyway. Maybe 300 years from now - add maybe 100.
Who the hell are these people that they think for sure that they would be chosen?
It's not necessarily a matter of self-righteousness. I think it's moreso fact in their minds. It'd be like asking a Christian, "Who the heck do you think you are? You think you're good enough to go to some paradise while we suffer?" To that the Christian might reply, "I'm not going to some paradise because I deserve it, but because it has been promised me by my lord and savior." ::shrug:: Just my thoughts.
If those people are for-real, then I admire their faith - however misguided it may be in this instance.
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Originally posted by Malachi1975 Originally posted by Xexima Wait, i think i might have missed this in the link, but who are the emails too? God? Does he have a computer, and how the hell would they have his e-mail address if so?
The letters aren't to be sent to God, but to loved ones that were "Left Behind".
My question is, how do you know who is going to be "Left Behind"?
Wouldn't you feel really bad if you sent a letter to someone who is "Taken"?
What if you Didn't send a letter to someone who wasn't?
And wouldn't the people recieving the letters be sort of offended, because they obviously were expected not to be taken?
Edit: Oh yeah, and what happens when the guy who is maintaining this stuff dies?
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Originally posted by ConverseSC Originally posted by Infliction Cult = Small religion... I don't see this any crazier than anything else involving worship of a ficticious omnipotent being in the sky
It's people like you who give atheist a bad name.
He didn't say anything that gives atheism a bad name at all. It is true that Cults are small religions, and that to an atheist it seems that both being in a cult or being in a bigger religious organization is crazy. It all depends on what confides with a persons logic. Converse if you are a christian or other i'm sure that atheism is crazy to you.
I hope some day we can all put aside our racisms and prejudices and just laugh at people
Originally posted by mithrandir72 Originally posted by Malachi1975 Originally posted by Xexima Wait, i think i might have missed this in the link, but who are the emails too? God? Does he have a computer, and how the hell would they have his e-mail address if so?
The letters aren't to be sent to God, but to loved ones that were "Left Behind".
My question is, how do you know who is going to be "Left Behind"?
I don't. Which is why I don't use these letters. I just see where the person/group is coming from from a caring standpoint.
Wouldn't you feel really bad if you sent a letter to someone who is "Taken"?
Are you saying would I feel bad if I were raptured and I sent a letter to someone else who was raptured? Or as you asking if I would feel bad if I thought I was going to be raptured and I wasn't but I sent a letter to someone who was. There's a different there. If we were both raptured, nah. We'd probably be laughing about it. If it were the second, I suppose I would feel ashamed that I didn't do what was necessary to be raptured.
What if you Didn't send a letter to someone who wasn't?
Precisely why I don't use specific letters. I talk to my friends that are non-believers and simple say "If, by some chance, millions of people disappear tomorrow and I am among them you may want to read some of the things on my desk upstairs."
And wouldn't the people recieving the letters be sort of offended, because they obviously were expected not to be taken?
If they KNEW what it was that they didn't do, in this case accept Christ as their saviour even though they knew about Him, I don't think they would be offended as much as ashamed. But if we're all supposed to run around worrying about who we offend and don't offend we'd probably all end up very silent. From the Christian perspective they concern comes from genuine caring. We don't get brownie points for conversions. We're just seriously concerned about someone's enternal being. Yeah, some people MAY think they get brownie points but there's always bad apples in the bunches. Our duty is to "plant the seed" not "convert all non-believers". If I am gone tomorrow with millions of other people you'd probably think about everything the Christians have said. That's the point. Of course, not everyone will have the chance to make the choice when it hits them in the face. What happens if they die first? That's the worry.
Edit: Oh yeah, and what happens when the guy who is maintaining this stuff dies?
The letters go out and we're all looking around wondering "Wait...who is even missing?" :P
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
Originally posted by Malachi1975 Originally posted by mithrandir72 Originally posted by Malachi1975 Originally posted by Xexima Wait, i think i might have missed this in the link, but who are the emails too? God? Does he have a computer, and how the hell would they have his e-mail address if so?
The letters aren't to be sent to God, but to loved ones that were "Left Behind".
My question is, how do you know who is going to be "Left Behind"?
I don't. Which is why I don't use these letters. I just see where the person/group is coming from from a caring standpoint.
Wouldn't you feel really bad if you sent a letter to someone who is "Taken"?
Are you saying would I feel bad if I were raptured and I sent a letter to someone else who was raptured? Or as you asking if I would feel bad if I thought I was going to be raptured and I wasn't but I sent a letter to someone who was. There's a different there. If we were both raptured, nah. We'd probably be laughing about it. If it were the second, I suppose I would feel ashamed that I didn't do what was necessary to be raptured.
What if you Didn't send a letter to someone who wasn't?
Precisely why I don't use specific letters. I talk to my friends that are non-believers and simple say "If, by some chance, millions of people disappear tomorrow and I am among them you may want to read some of the things on my desk upstairs."
And wouldn't the people recieving the letters be sort of offended, because they obviously were expected not to be taken?
If they KNEW what it was that they didn't do, in this case accept Christ as their saviour even though they knew about Him, I don't think they would be offended as much as ashamed. But if we're all supposed to run around worrying about who we offend and don't offend we'd probably all end up very silent. From the Christian perspective they concern comes from genuine caring. We don't get brownie points for conversions. We're just seriously concerned about someone's enternal being. Yeah, some people MAY think they get brownie points but there's always bad apples in the bunches. Our duty is to "plant the seed" not "convert all non-believers". If I am gone tomorrow with millions of other people you'd probably think about everything the Christians have said. That's the point. Of course, not everyone will have the chance to make the choice when it hits them in the face. What happens if they die first? That's the worry.
Edit: Oh yeah, and what happens when the guy who is maintaining this stuff dies?
The letters go out and we're all looking around wondering "Wait...who is even missing?" :P
In case that seemed like an attack at you, it wasn't just trying to give a couple of points as to why I wouldn't use them, even if I believed in the Rapture.
But yeah, well thought out points there. I may disagree with you at some points (not really in this post), but I commend you on the fact that you are definitely the voice of reason among those of us who are religious on MMORPG, Using well thought out arguements and such.
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I'm taking a religion class right now and we learned that the "rapture" is a modern creation.
It was made up by a woman in Scotland who had one of those rare discussions with God. It was popularized by an evangelical named Darby in the 1800's. All of this was in response to industrialization and the changing of the education system to accomodate our present economic system. Schools began to teach science and skills and the evangelicals responded by creating stories such as the rapture. It didn't suit the evangelicals well that there was a debate about the authenticity of their book brewing in the higher education facilities.
I don't mean this to sound derogatory, but that's usually what happens when things go bad for the evangelicals. They try to scare people back into the churches.
We're still in the grips of this debate between "modernists", "fundamentalists", and the moderates caught in between.
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I know where you're coming from. There's the debate about his deathbed announcements. At least until the age of 40 he was a devout Anglican. After that is where things become fuzzy and I can't even say anything with any sense of certainty. I don't know if he DIED a Christian but he lived a good deal of his life openly as one.
Then again, Darwin is probably one of the most misunderstood men in history. Both Christians and Atheists alike have accredited him with creating the Theories of Human Evolution when most of know he was known for Adaptive Evolution, not creational. If there's anyone out there who can argue Adaptive Evolution they are obviously blind. But forever reason a lot of people called him a heretic becuase they had linked the word "evolution" to blasphemy. That was sad.
I can't say now whether he died a Christian or not and I am afriad I won't be able to answer that till the day I die
. But I can see your point clearly.
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
Even if he did believe in it (which I doubt) we can still use his own theories against him.
I've also seen on a TV show about the rapture that you can buy rapture emergency kits and there is a service that will take care of your pets when you get raptured. rofl.
Well he DID at the very least believe it in one time. Read his journals which you can find at any decent sized library.
As for the the "Rapture Emergency Kits" they make sense to me. If 10s if not 100s of million of people across the planet disappear instantly one day you can imagine the chaos that would ensue. However, the pet kennel service is a little out there to even me. I mean, am I suppose to come back and get my pet after a certain amount of time? /shrug
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretche mortals, open your eyes!"
- Leonardo Da Vinci
all I have to say, and basicly all that needed to be said.
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EVERY Person that Believes in Black holes Is a weak minded sheep whose brain would melt if a jedi played mind tricks with him.
http://www.newscientistspace.com/article.ns?id=dn9620&feedId=online-news_rss20
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetospheric_eternally_collapsing_object
Black holes are in the process of being disproved.... Ohhhh you weak minded cult following Fools who believed in crazy black holes.... You guys are soo silly and believed the hype about black holes that was all just a big hoax... used so that when you figure out the truth you'd hit your head and be like "man i was stupid"... I feel for you weak minded people ... you shouldn't stand too close to a microwave... i dont think your brain could take it... it might melt under the pressure...
oooooohhhhh you weak minded fools..
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and plus its just boring me now.
I can't help but say the same thing I've said so many times on these forums when people think they alone should be the deciding factor in what we discuss. If you're bored, moved on. Some of us are actually enjoying discussing these sorts of things.
I will concede to you that, if it gets "out of hand", it should be closed. However, as long as it's being discussed in a civil manner there's nothing wrong with it. I find a little irony in you calling for it to be stopped before it gets out of hand when your first comment was calling people stupid. Just let those of us who like to debate in a peaceful manner debate.
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
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I hear there is finger popping and 24 hour shopping in rapture.
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
some xians are so delusional it's scary
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Without getting into some long argument on religion that happens frequently on this forum, really how arrogant can you get? Who the hell are these people that they think for sure that they would be chosen? I've always wondered since this pseudo-christianity started springing up more what these people would do if the Rapture did happen and they were left behind. They'd probably end up going on a three state kill spree.
They'd probably end up going on a three state kill spree.
why do you say that? it seems that you're suggesting that people who are not xians would somehow want to murder. or am i being too logical?
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I believe in the rapture, but I don't believe in pre-trib rapture. Yep. It's gonna be rough, but I pride myself on my indifference through ignorance. I like to take things in stride. I seriously doubt it will ever occur in my time anyway. Maybe 300 years from now - add maybe 100.
Who the hell are these people that they think for sure that they would be chosen?
It's not necessarily a matter of self-righteousness. I think it's moreso fact in their minds. It'd be like asking a Christian, "Who the heck do you think you are? You think you're good enough to go to some paradise while we suffer?" To that the Christian might reply, "I'm not going to some paradise because I deserve it, but because it has been promised me by my lord and savior." ::shrug:: Just my thoughts.
If those people are for-real, then I admire their faith - however misguided it may be in this instance.
"Put your foot where your mouth is." - Wisdom from my grandfather
"Paper or plastic? ... because I'm afraid I'll have to suffocate you unless you put this bag on your head..." - Ethnitrek
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My question is, how do you know who is going to be "Left Behind"?
Wouldn't you feel really bad if you sent a letter to someone who is "Taken"?
What if you Didn't send a letter to someone who wasn't?
And wouldn't the people recieving the letters be sort of offended, because they obviously were expected not to be taken?
Edit: Oh yeah, and what happens when the guy who is maintaining this stuff dies?
We barely remember who or what came before this precious moment;
We are choosing to be here right now -Tool, Parabola
He didn't say anything that gives atheism a bad name at all. It is true that Cults are small religions, and that to an atheist it seems that both being in a cult or being in a bigger religious organization is crazy. It all depends on what confides with a persons logic. Converse if you are a christian or other i'm sure that atheism is crazy to you.
I hope some day we can all put aside our racisms and prejudices and just laugh at people
My question is, how do you know who is going to be "Left Behind"?
I don't. Which is why I don't use these letters. I just see where the person/group is coming from from a caring standpoint.
Wouldn't you feel really bad if you sent a letter to someone who is "Taken"?
Are you saying would I feel bad if I were raptured and I sent a letter to someone else who was raptured? Or as you asking if I would feel bad if I thought I was going to be raptured and I wasn't but I sent a letter to someone who was. There's a different there. If we were both raptured, nah. We'd probably be laughing about it. If it were the second, I suppose I would feel ashamed that I didn't do what was necessary to be raptured.
What if you Didn't send a letter to someone who wasn't?
Precisely why I don't use specific letters. I talk to my friends that are non-believers and simple say "If, by some chance, millions of people disappear tomorrow and I am among them you may want to read some of the things on my desk upstairs."
And wouldn't the people recieving the letters be sort of offended, because they obviously were expected not to be taken?
If they KNEW what it was that they didn't do, in this case accept Christ as their saviour even though they knew about Him, I don't think they would be offended as much as ashamed. But if we're all supposed to run around worrying about who we offend and don't offend we'd probably all end up very silent. From the Christian perspective they concern comes from genuine caring. We don't get brownie points for conversions. We're just seriously concerned about someone's enternal being. Yeah, some people MAY think they get brownie points but there's always bad apples in the bunches. Our duty is to "plant the seed" not "convert all non-believers". If I am gone tomorrow with millions of other people you'd probably think about everything the Christians have said. That's the point. Of course, not everyone will have the chance to make the choice when it hits them in the face. What happens if they die first? That's the worry.
Edit: Oh yeah, and what happens when the guy who is maintaining this stuff dies?
The letters go out and we're all looking around wondering "Wait...who is even missing?" :P
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
My question is, how do you know who is going to be "Left Behind"?
I don't. Which is why I don't use these letters. I just see where the person/group is coming from from a caring standpoint.
Wouldn't you feel really bad if you sent a letter to someone who is "Taken"?
Are you saying would I feel bad if I were raptured and I sent a letter to someone else who was raptured? Or as you asking if I would feel bad if I thought I was going to be raptured and I wasn't but I sent a letter to someone who was. There's a different there. If we were both raptured, nah. We'd probably be laughing about it. If it were the second, I suppose I would feel ashamed that I didn't do what was necessary to be raptured.
What if you Didn't send a letter to someone who wasn't?
Precisely why I don't use specific letters. I talk to my friends that are non-believers and simple say "If, by some chance, millions of people disappear tomorrow and I am among them you may want to read some of the things on my desk upstairs."
And wouldn't the people recieving the letters be sort of offended, because they obviously were expected not to be taken?
If they KNEW what it was that they didn't do, in this case accept Christ as their saviour even though they knew about Him, I don't think they would be offended as much as ashamed. But if we're all supposed to run around worrying about who we offend and don't offend we'd probably all end up very silent. From the Christian perspective they concern comes from genuine caring. We don't get brownie points for conversions. We're just seriously concerned about someone's enternal being. Yeah, some people MAY think they get brownie points but there's always bad apples in the bunches. Our duty is to "plant the seed" not "convert all non-believers". If I am gone tomorrow with millions of other people you'd probably think about everything the Christians have said. That's the point. Of course, not everyone will have the chance to make the choice when it hits them in the face. What happens if they die first? That's the worry.
Edit: Oh yeah, and what happens when the guy who is maintaining this stuff dies?
The letters go out and we're all looking around wondering "Wait...who is even missing?" :P
In case that seemed like an attack at you, it wasn't just trying to give a couple of points as to why I wouldn't use them, even if I believed in the Rapture.
But yeah, well thought out points there. I may disagree with you at some points (not really in this post), but I commend you on the fact that you are definitely the voice of reason among those of us who are religious on MMORPG, Using well thought out arguements and such.
We barely remember who or what came before this precious moment;
We are choosing to be here right now -Tool, Parabola
damn double post
We barely remember who or what came before this precious moment;
We are choosing to be here right now -Tool, Parabola
It was made up by a woman in Scotland who had one of those rare discussions with God. It was popularized by an evangelical named Darby in the 1800's. All of this was in response to industrialization and the changing of the education system to accomodate our present economic system. Schools began to teach science and skills and the evangelicals responded by creating stories such as the rapture. It didn't suit the evangelicals well that there was a debate about the authenticity of their book brewing in the higher education facilities.
I don't mean this to sound derogatory, but that's usually what happens when things go bad for the evangelicals. They try to scare people back into the churches.
We're still in the grips of this debate between "modernists", "fundamentalists", and the moderates caught in between.