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Tuutob
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I have been giving this some thought over the past couple of days. The consumption of meat has sparked many enormous, sometimes even violent, protests brought upon major corporations such as McDonalds, Subway, etc.
I have been questioning my standing on this issue. Yes, I eat meat, but I really have no other choice. I am 14 and my diet is pretty much whatever the parents make for dinner. I just thought this would be a really good discussion.
Now, there are two aspects to this issue, both with their points and pretty straight-forward standings. They are the following:
1.) Think about this. If it wasn't for meat back when our early, early ancestors were trying to make a living, we would probably not be here. Vegitation did not offer the nutrients that were in meat. It is pretty much a bundle of nutrients in the form of an 8oz. steak. Our ancestors must have been extremely surprised to find the insides of their hunting companions were edible, and they would have been surprised to find that this stuff that was much better tasting than the often-spoiled fruit of the day was really good for them!
2.) Now we come to today. Pretty much, we really don't know what's in our burger anymore. We accept the fact that there isn't really a way of finding out what the substance called 'hamburger' is, so we refer to the texbooks and say 'hey, well it helped our ancestors, and its tasty, might as well put it in my everyday diet!'. The truth is, the amount of preservatives and other crap of which I (and many other people, for that matter) do not know the name of is being thrown into our meat, and there is really nothing we can do about it except not eat it or make it ourselves (but this would involve such drastic measures as moving to a ranch, buying cows, etc.)
Truly, I am on the fence on this one. I don't eat meat when I don't have to. But, once again, my diet is really based on my household, so I can't really avoid it permanently.
Let the hopefully worthwhile and intelligent discussion begin!
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Someone other than you actually cooks in your household? You lucky son of a bitch...
Anyway, to be more on topic... I live in a tiny town and don't have access to all of the vegetarian things that I would like to have access to. Now, it would be possible to get them if we went out of town to go shopping, but my father usually only goes out of town to see his girlfriend, and he can't shop worth a damn on his own. Also, there's no way in hell I would go with him when he's going to go see his girlfriend. Not gunna happen.
Therefore, while I respect the vegetarian community, I cannot join it until I move someplace more heavily populated. Eating meat doesn't really bother me, so long as I don't think about the fact that something had to die for me to do so, but, well... that's not really right, ya know? Oh well.
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I eat meat but only poulty. That's for environmental reasons. Cattle requires a huge grazing area which is destroyed natural habitat for other species, and pigs just produce so much excrement that once in a while u hear how water gets contaminated from manure dumping., etc. And they both require a lot of feed which would more efficiently be used to feed people than mass-production of meat.
I only eat those kinds of meats... I'd say like once each 2 months or so. Yesterday I bought a HUGE beef steak and got my fix, so that'll last for a bit.
The fish... all fish stocks are so depleted that being considerate and eating the right kinds of fish is like walking a tightrope almost.
Fortunately there's fish guides out there (I keep one in my wallet, piece of cake):
Monterrey Bay Aquarium Regional Seafood Guides (pick you region in the drop-down menu)
Monterrey Bay Aquarium Seafood Info
I also gave that up (seafood) except for occasional exceptions, like tonight's massive sushi dinner I had! Yum! So that's 2 spoiling for me in 2 consequitive nights... I won't crave it for a while now.
I've tried an all-veggy diet but I am such an ectomorph that I would have to eat salads continuously all day long not to lose weight.
So I eat a subway turkey sandwich for lunch since it barely has any meat in it, and at night I eat whatever I want. Even so, I am one skinny twig! But I feel healthy, just a skinny man, no big deal.
But yeah, I hear ya, sucks that animals have to die for our food, I can only hope they die swiftly, and I try to consume cage-free/organic stuff if I have the choice and I can afford it.
Also, about our ancestors, they ate meat when they found themselves lucky! The human body didn't evolve based on a meat diet. Meat has for the vast majority of our history been a luxury. Only during the 20th century did the mass production of meat come about and allow meat to become a staple food.
Even my grandparents tell me stories that they usually had meat on the weekends, the rest was beans, corn, eggs and potatoes.
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All in all, pretty much any peice of meat has more nutrients than pretty much any single peice of fruit.
And I know they eat more than veggies, I'm just pointing out that veggies are probably the most nutritious thing they are eating, aside from milk. Because, really, in today's market, aside from good meat, veggies and certain dairy products (I.E. milk, cheese, yogurt), there really isnt that much else with the amount of nutrients as the things listed above.
All in all, pretty much any peice of meat has more nutrients than pretty much any single peice of fruit.
That's not a fair comparison at all. Do you know why animals have nutrients at all? Because of the food they eat. When it comes down to it that food is vegetation, grains, and/or fruits, it depends on the animal.
And I know they eat more than veggies, I'm just pointing out that veggies are probably the most nutritious thing they are eating, aside from milk.
Because, really, in today's market, aside from good meat, veggies and certain dairy products (I.E. milk, cheese, yogurt), there really isnt that much else with the amount of nutrients as the things listed above.
Where do you get this information??
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You never see a healthy Vegitarian.
They're all skinny & die earlier than most.
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Do you get your information from comedians?
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American Dietetic Association
"Many studies have shown that vegetarians seem to have a lower risk of obesity, coronary heart disease (which causes heart attack), high blood pressure, diabetes mellitus and some forms of cancer."
American Heart Association
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Originally posted by Neptus
You never see a healthy Vegitarian.
They're all skinny & die earlier than most.
I live in veggy/vegan heaven. Most of the people I know into those diets are not fat, but many aren't skinny either. I have always been a skinny guy, but I am a hair factory apparently. Whatever I eat goes into hair, lol Even when I used to eat huge steaks with french fries for every meal, for many years, I never had a single gram of fat on my body, I'm a freak.
But as a vegetarian you have to eat a lot more if you don't wish to lose much weight, since the caloric intake is less concentrated (you're missing the animal fat, so less energy in the same amount of food).
But you do have to supplement your diet on the side. A vegetarian would be able to inform you better on that. Anyone?
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Nope, I get my information by seeing them.
Whatever, you guys must have different kinds of vegitarians that me.
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Nope, I get my information by seeing them.
I see meat eaters more often because I don't ask everyone what their diet consists of (So I assume) and I can tell you that 2/3 of them are obese.
Whatever, you guys must have different kinds of vegitarians that me.
Dave Scott, six-time Ironman Triathlon winner. He was vegetarian the whole time.
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Fresh vegetable taste like dirt to me. Steamed are good though.
High cholesterol and meat is relative. I wonder if big cats and other predators suffer of high cholesterol, as their diet mainly consists of meat.
I think that the following links pretty much sum it up.
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=sponsor
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=eatme
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."
George Bernard Shaw
What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Oscar Wilde
True, the early humans had a hard time eating meat in its
raw stat, so it wasn't on the top of their list of things to chow down
on. After they learned to use fire to cook it, they were able to consume
large amounts of meat in a faster amount of time, there by increasing the
intake on proteins and other nutrients found in meats. This is what
scientists believe sparked a growth spurt in human evolution. But like
anything revolved around humanity, everything we do should be done in
moderation. Eating too much of one thing will have a negative effect in
one way or another. Even vegetarians require nutrients found primarily in
meats, so in order for them to get them, they have to take substances and eat tastless veggie meat products. If they are refusing to eat meat because they don't want to hurt a living creature, well techincally plants are living organisms too, I'm sure it hurt like hell when they were ripped out of they ground with thier blood spewing all over. But since they don't have mouths, they can't scream.
And thats my $2
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo Galilei
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."
George Bernard Shaw
What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Oscar Wilde
So with that you think "maybe eating meat isn't for me" and not "those people are batshit insane for breaking into violence over what people eat"? Is that really what you want to relate to?
Ugh, I'm starting to miss the religious threads.
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
So with that you think "maybe eating meat isn't for me" and not "those people are batshit insane for breaking into violence over what people eat"? Is that really what you want to relate to?
Ugh, I'm starting to miss the religious threads.
Did I ever say I was taking a clear side?
I said I was on the fence due to the way I was raised.
I never stated that anyone on either side was wrong nor right.
I love people that readt the first paragraph of a 5-6 paragraph post and think that they can make a good point by copying Maddox.