Originally posted by KenshuAni Originally posted by iskareot Originally posted by KenshuAni This is my favorite quote from Virrago (clicky): Is the NGE working better than they did? - Actually, it isn't as bad as we predicted and now it is much easier to improve upon.
SOE thought that the NGE would be worse than it was?! And they still went forward with it?!!!
Edit: Dang it, Soda beat me to the quote. Wish I wasn't on a dialup when at work
HAHA I saw this... omg.
I think they need a real PR person in there now.
They are saying stuff that can be used as ammo like there is no tommorow.
Heh. I'm tempted to copy and paste all of virrago's comments in that thread, but I am not doing so when having to deal with dialup. please do, i was gonna do it.
All this whole thing does for me is push me even further away from SOE. The Correspondent program was very useful, and full of thinkers and true representatives. The Galactic Senators, however, are useless, and while some of them are trying to be thinkers, others are nothing more than shills. Even this isn't a huge issue, though. But Virrago's responses? What a tool.
It's been pointed out many many times by many others, but the parallels between SOE's Galactic Senate and the Imperial Senate under Emperor Palpatine are almost scary.
Originally posted by Kylrathin All this whole thing does for me is push me even further away from SOE. The Correspondent program was very useful, and full of thinkers and true representatives. The Galactic Senators, however, are useless, and while some of them are trying to be thinkers, others are nothing more than shills. Even this isn't a huge issue, though. But Virrago's responses? What a tool.
It's been pointed out many many times by many others, but the parallels between SOE's Galactic Senate and the Imperial Senate under Emperor Palpatine are almost scary.
Originally posted by KenshuAni Heh. I'm tempted to copy and paste all of virrago's comments in that thread, but I am not doing so when having to deal with dialup.
please do, i was gonna do it.
*cough*lookathighlightedportion*cough*
If the thread remains unchanged by the time I get home in 1.5 hours, I might still do so.
if the SOE forum standards were applied fairly and equally, you and Badgersmaker would have been permabanned.
We have no qualms about banning or suspending a Senator if they break the rules. Due to United States privacy laws we wouldn't be able to tell you if we did though.
wildcat84 wrote:
But you don't represent US either. - They don't have to... that isn't what they are for.
We didn't choose you. - Correct, We did.
You never ask for our feedback in meaningful ways. - They don't have to, We (SOE) do that by posting discussion threads in the Dev Discussion forum.
You don't advocate for what we want. - Again, they don't have too.
Some of you have expressed (in and out of these forums) open contempt for what we really do want. - You mean what You want right?
So, who DO you represent? I will answer that: Yourselves. - Correct, which is why we chose them.
vonbloodworth wrote:
But in the public eye you do represent SOE in this capacity. You represent them because you are volunteers, your attitudes, manners or lack there off reflect direct to that of those that placed you in this position of responsibility, SOE.
v. Actually they represent themselves and it isn't really a position of responsibility.
vonbloodworth wrote:
Then there is absolutly no point in having them. - Incorrect, they are very usefull to us, but they do not have any influence on design changes.
Why do they get a voice stronger than everone elese? - They don't really.
Becouse they agree with you? - They don't always agree with us.
vonbloodworth wrote:
Virrago wrote:
vonbloodworth wrote:
But in the public eye you do represent SOE in this capacity. You represent them because you are volunteers, your attitudes, manners or lack there off reflect direct to that of those that placed you in this position of responsibility, SOE.
Actually they represent themselves and it isn't really a position of responsibility.
My statement holds true.
and if what you say is true, then its nothing more than a Favorites club created by the developers.
Taking us back to square one.
Your opinions holds just as much weight as theirs and you are free to discuss any design changes in the dev discussion forums. There for your statement is still false.
wildcat84 wrote:
Why should a tiny TINY minority be given a voice above the vast majority?
Sometimes we need to hear some of the voices instead of the all the voices at once which sounds like gibberish.
vonbloodworth wrote:
And yes, they do because they have a direct channel of communication separate from the MAJORITY.
They have the same direct channel that all of you do. Send a private message to me just like everyone else does.
wildcat84 wrote:
As an example of even the pitfalls of that, I sumbit the fact that even scientific focus groups can fail. My evidence: SWG's sub number in 08/05 vs 08/06.
Which has nothing to do with Sentators
Altyrell wrote:
MASTER V, i think that (s)he meant the Special "Senator-Only" Forum Section...
Which is Thunderhearts private forum. When the Designers need to collect information they post in the Dev Discussion forum or profession forum.
vonbloodworth wrote:
Virrago wrote:
Your opinions holds just as much weight as theirs and you are free to discuss any design changes in the dev discussion forums. There for your statement is still false.
My opinions do not matter,
You didn't read my reply thoroughly. I said your opinion holds just as much weight as theirs. Didn't say it mattered.
vonbloodworth wrote:
Then i ask again... what is the mandate or even shred of purpose of elevating these individuals above all others with special titles and forums? Please... I’m 100% serious.
Message Edited by vonbloodworth on 08-15-2006 01:54 PM
they don't type in large font
wildcat84 wrote:
True, and I agree 100%. But shouldn't you be looking to correct that mistake?
We continue to improve all aspects of the game. Will it ever be the same as Pre-CU or Pre-NG
telexx wrote:
Virrago wrote:
vonbloodworth wrote:
And yes, they do because they have a direct channel of communication separate from the MAJORITY.
They have the same direct channel that all of you do. Send a private message to me just like everyone else does.
TH refuses to give a status on more than four bugs I've experienced since Novemeber of 2005. There has not been any communication. I sent a PM to Marrow and never got a reply... /shrug
And you guys wonder why people are upset?
I just don't get it....
and you posted about these bugs where? Feel free to pm me the link to your thread and I'll check them out.
vonbloodworth wrote:
Answer the question.
And your forums provide the ability to do so.
This response leads me to believe that they have none, they are just a select few that the devs favor, what ever your definition of favor is.
(why do i get the felling im going to get banned over asking a question , asked two times now as a matter of fact)
The galactic senators where selected because they didn't type in large aggressive font, posted their criticism in a constructive manner, didn't rant and rave like little children, didn't live in the past and continue to want to help improve the game, are really good at finding and duplicating bugs/exploits and the like.
wildcat84 wrote:
Is the NGE working better than they did? - Actually, it isn't as bad as we predicted and now it is much easier to improve upon.
If a HUGE majority of your playerbase says you made a mistake, and please, PLEASE, undo it, why is it best to not listen to them? - too late for that now so it will never go back to the way it was.
Will it ever be the same as Pre-CU or Pre-NGE? No, because those weren't working either.-v
Divine-Shadow wrote:
Virrago wrote:
vonbloodworth wrote:
Virrago wrote:
Your opinions holds just as much weight as theirs and you are free to discuss any design changes in the dev discussion forums. There for your statement is still false.
My opinions do not matter,
You didn't read my reply thoroughly. I said your opinion holds just as much weight as theirs. Didn't say it mattered.
hahaha wow, did you just hear what you said, none of us matter LOL
What I meant was it mattered just as much as theirs did on the type of game decisions he was implying.
Starnick, I'm just curious, what do you think about Virrago's post? (clicky)
Actually they [the Senators] represent themselves and it isn't really a position of responsibility.
The way I read this, the galactic senate isn't really useful to SOE or the players. You just represent yourselves in the developers eyes, which makes the senate of little value to players. You don't represent SOE, so your Galactic Senate Weekly reports aren't officially sponsored by SOE, and therefore of no value.
Ok V, would you mind answering this: What about individuals that routinely contribute positively and constructively? Are there any plans on adding people to the Senate?
From what I understand, there's going to be some changes coming with the new forums
When you have a game that has a subscriber base chart that resembles the flight of a failed rocket, the people who spew sunshine are the wrong ones to promote and listen to.
No, better to listen to those who told them before they launched that it'd fail, and why, but were ignored.
Lucasarts doesn't miss deadlines. It's not a very good work ethic for game design, but I don't see how you're attributing that to us...
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Originally posted by KenshuAni Starnick, I'm just curious, what do you think about Virrago's post? (clicky) Actually they [the Senators] represent themselves and it isn't really a position of responsibility.
The way I read this, the galactic senate isn't really useful to SOE or the players. You just represent yourselves in the developers eyes, which makes the senate of little value to players. You don't represent SOE, so your Galactic Senate Weekly reports aren't officially sponsored by SOE, and therefore of no value.
I did make a comment regarding that in the thread that went along the lines of:
We may not have to represent anyone, but the majority of us do want to represent the community in some function (ie like me and the commando forum).
The devs never really told us we had responsibility or not, so those who were old corros went on like they did pre-NGE. Yellow names are suppoused to be community leaders (par to the sub-forum folder that holds the GS board), but in my opinion it would be stupid to be labeleed as such yet serve exclusively in self-interest.
Originally posted by Starnick Originally posted by KenshuAni Starnick, I'm just curious, what do you think about Virrago's post? (clicky) Actually they [the Senators] represent themselves and it isn't really a position of responsibility.
The way I read this, the galactic senate isn't really useful to SOE or the players. You just represent yourselves in the developers eyes, which makes the senate of little value to players. You don't represent SOE, so your Galactic Senate Weekly reports aren't officially sponsored by SOE, and therefore of no value.
I did make a comment regarding that in the thread that went along the lines of:
We may not have to represent anyone, but the majority of us do want to represent the community in some function (ie like me and the commando forum).
The devs never really told us we had responsibility or not, so those who were old corros went on like they did pre-NGE. Yellow names are suppoused to be community leaders (par to the sub-forum folder that holds the GS board), but in my opinion it would be stupid to be labeleed as such yet serve exclusively in self-interest.
And yet, it seems that's exactly what SOE wants. Also, there's a few senators that DO only act in self-interest. They also flame and attack players with no repercussions. The den of hypocracy grows more blatant.
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All I can make of Virragos comments , Is that the senators are soe's forum Marketing team . With a few thugs on board to muscle SOE positive outlook down players throats .
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Lol. This Virrago guy is laughable at best. "The current game sucks just as much as Pre-cu and the CU did. In other words weve wasted 3 years."
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Originally posted by Malickiebloo All I cam make of Virragos comments , Is that the senators are soe's forum Marketing team . With a few thugs on board to muscle SOE positive outlook down players throats .
The senators are nothing. Its just a forum title for kissing mass ass for 3 years.
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Originally posted by Starnick Originally posted by KenshuAni Starnick, I'm just curious, what do you think about Virrago's post? (clicky) Actually they [the Senators] represent themselves and it isn't really a position of responsibility.
The way I read this, the galactic senate isn't really useful to SOE or the players. You just represent yourselves in the developers eyes, which makes the senate of little value to players. You don't represent SOE, so your Galactic Senate Weekly reports aren't officially sponsored by SOE, and therefore of no value.
I did make a comment regarding that in the thread that went along the lines of:
We may not have to represent anyone, but the majority of us do want to represent the community in some function (ie like me and the commando forum).
The devs never really told us we had responsibility or not, so those who were old corros went on like they did pre-NGE. Yellow names are suppoused to be community leaders (par to the sub-forum folder that holds the GS board), but in my opinion it would be stupid to be labeleed as such yet serve exclusively in self-interest.
I think what fueled all the animosity towards correspondents and now senators was the NGE. Some of the correspondents got to try it out before we knew about it (even say we would love it, then laughing about our reaction later on some private forums) and thought it was cool and so on and so forth. A lot of players blame the nge and all the lame changes within it on Senators since we can't see what they post in their exclusive forums (hence why were surprised by your joke about in one certain thread) and the comm line between dev and Senators is shorter than say us regular players trapped in all the other "Gibberish ™" on the forums. This will probably never let up and I would assume it would be better just to end the senate program for good. At least for the devs and everyone else’s own sanity (plus it’s the right thing to do at this point). Bet you never thought people would still be pissed about a change almost a year later, but there it is.
Originally posted by tillamook Originally posted by Starnick Originally posted by KenshuAni Starnick, I'm just curious, what do you think about Virrago's post? (clicky) Actually they [the Senators] represent themselves and it isn't really a position of responsibility.
The way I read this, the galactic senate isn't really useful to SOE or the players. You just represent yourselves in the developers eyes, which makes the senate of little value to players. You don't represent SOE, so your Galactic Senate Weekly reports aren't officially sponsored by SOE, and therefore of no value.
I did make a comment regarding that in the thread that went along the lines of:
We may not have to represent anyone, but the majority of us do want to represent the community in some function (ie like me and the commando forum).
The devs never really told us we had responsibility or not, so those who were old corros went on like they did pre-NGE. Yellow names are suppoused to be community leaders (par to the sub-forum folder that holds the GS board), but in my opinion it would be stupid to be labeleed as such yet serve exclusively in self-interest.
I think what fueled all the animosity towards correspondents and now senators was the NGE. Some of the correspondents got to try it out before we knew about it (even say we would love it, then laughing about our reaction later on some private forums) and thought it was cool and so on and so forth. A lot of players blame the nge and all the lame changes within it on Senators since we can't see what they post in their exclusive forums (hence why were surprised by your joke about in one certain thread) and the comm line between dev and Senators is shorter than say us regular players trapped in all the other "Gibberish ™" on the forums. This will probably never let up and I would assume it would be better just to end the senate program for good. At least for the devs and everyone else’s own sanity (plus it’s the right thing to do at this point). Bet you never thought people would still be pissed about a change almost a year later, but there it is.
Commandos had been pissed at the devs for over 2 years...so its believable.
Anyways, only some of the corros tried the NGE (as it has been said...there were non-corros there too). The NGE wasn't even announced officially on the corro forums until a day or so (or on the same day...I cant remember now) when it was made public. As with a lot of rumors floating around the public forums at the time, we had only rumors to rely on to understand what was going on. After it was announced, it was certainly mixed reactions.
Originally posted by Starnick Originally posted by tillamook Originally posted by Starnick Originally posted by KenshuAni Starnick, I'm just curious, what do you think about Virrago's post? (clicky) Actually they [the Senators] represent themselves and it isn't really a position of responsibility.
The way I read this, the galactic senate isn't really useful to SOE or the players. You just represent yourselves in the developers eyes, which makes the senate of little value to players. You don't represent SOE, so your Galactic Senate Weekly reports aren't officially sponsored by SOE, and therefore of no value.
I did make a comment regarding that in the thread that went along the lines of:
We may not have to represent anyone, but the majority of us do want to represent the community in some function (ie like me and the commando forum).
The devs never really told us we had responsibility or not, so those who were old corros went on like they did pre-NGE. Yellow names are suppoused to be community leaders (par to the sub-forum folder that holds the GS board), but in my opinion it would be stupid to be labeleed as such yet serve exclusively in self-interest.
I think what fueled all the animosity towards correspondents and now senators was the NGE. Some of the correspondents got to try it out before we knew about it (even say we would love it, then laughing about our reaction later on some private forums) and thought it was cool and so on and so forth. A lot of players blame the nge and all the lame changes within it on Senators since we can't see what they post in their exclusive forums (hence why were surprised by your joke about in one certain thread) and the comm line between dev and Senators is shorter than say us regular players trapped in all the other "Gibberish ™" on the forums. This will probably never let up and I would assume it would be better just to end the senate program for good. At least for the devs and everyone else’s own sanity (plus it’s the right thing to do at this point). Bet you never thought people would still be pissed about a change almost a year later, but there it is.
Commandos had been pissed at the devs for over 2 years...so its believable.
Anyways, only some of the corros tried the NGE (as it has been said...there were non-corros there too). The NGE wasn't even announced officially on the corro forums until a day or so (or on the same day...I cant remember now) when it was made public. As with a lot of rumors floating around the public forums at the time, we had only rumors to rely on to understand what was going on. After it was announced, it was certainly mixed reactions.
No one else saw any of the corros outcries since it was hidden in a private forum. As far as most players were concerned most Correspondents took up their positions as senators and happily went about there business supporting what ever SOE thru at them. I think there was only one correspondent that I remember publicly declining the position. Not that that means anything other than one more person who didn't like what SOE did and felt this was the way the would make their statement like a lot of us.
Any idea what got up Virrago's butt today for him to pull all those halfa$$ed flames on people on the forums?
Originally posted by tillamook Originally posted by Starnick Originally posted by tillamook Originally posted by Starnick Originally posted by KenshuAni Starnick, I'm just curious, what do you think about Virrago's post? (clicky) Actually they [the Senators] represent themselves and it isn't really a position of responsibility.
The way I read this, the galactic senate isn't really useful to SOE or the players. You just represent yourselves in the developers eyes, which makes the senate of little value to players. You don't represent SOE, so your Galactic Senate Weekly reports aren't officially sponsored by SOE, and therefore of no value.
I did make a comment regarding that in the thread that went along the lines of:
We may not have to represent anyone, but the majority of us do want to represent the community in some function (ie like me and the commando forum).
The devs never really told us we had responsibility or not, so those who were old corros went on like they did pre-NGE. Yellow names are suppoused to be community leaders (par to the sub-forum folder that holds the GS board), but in my opinion it would be stupid to be labeleed as such yet serve exclusively in self-interest.
I think what fueled all the animosity towards correspondents and now senators was the NGE. Some of the correspondents got to try it out before we knew about it (even say we would love it, then laughing about our reaction later on some private forums) and thought it was cool and so on and so forth. A lot of players blame the nge and all the lame changes within it on Senators since we can't see what they post in their exclusive forums (hence why were surprised by your joke about in one certain thread) and the comm line between dev and Senators is shorter than say us regular players trapped in all the other "Gibberish ™" on the forums. This will probably never let up and I would assume it would be better just to end the senate program for good. At least for the devs and everyone else’s own sanity (plus it’s the right thing to do at this point). Bet you never thought people would still be pissed about a change almost a year later, but there it is.
Commandos had been pissed at the devs for over 2 years...so its believable.
Anyways, only some of the corros tried the NGE (as it has been said...there were non-corros there too). The NGE wasn't even announced officially on the corro forums until a day or so (or on the same day...I cant remember now) when it was made public. As with a lot of rumors floating around the public forums at the time, we had only rumors to rely on to understand what was going on. After it was announced, it was certainly mixed reactions.
No one else saw any of the corros outcries since it was hidden in a private forum. As far as most players were concerned most Correspondents took up their positions as senators and happily went about there business supporting what ever SOE thru at them. I think there was only one correspondent that I remember publicly declining the position. Not that that means anything other than one more person who didn't like what SOE did and felt this was the way the would make their statement like a lot of us.
Any idea what got up Virrago's butt today for him to pull all those halfa$$ed flames on people on the forums?
Whats a better way to make Badger and his ilk think they are doing a good job ?
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Lol. This Virrago guy is laughable at best. "The current game sucks just as much as Pre-cu and the CU did. In other words weve wasted 3 years."
Yes, well SOE was never good at sticking with any one thing and working on it to help it reach its full potential. I don't just speak of pre-CU, but many of the bugs and the other systems came out of SOEs failure to focus on any one thing for a decent amount of time.
How the hell does Viraggo keep his job? Community Relations? In Bizarro world.
He's like a penis that can type.
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Originally posted by Starnick Originally posted by tillamook Originally posted by Starnick Originally posted by KenshuAni Starnick, I'm just curious, what do you think about Virrago's post? (clicky) Actually they [the Senators] represent themselves and it isn't really a position of responsibility.
The way I read this, the galactic senate isn't really useful to SOE or the players. You just represent yourselves in the developers eyes, which makes the senate of little value to players. You don't represent SOE, so your Galactic Senate Weekly reports aren't officially sponsored by SOE, and therefore of no value.
I did make a comment regarding that in the thread that went along the lines of:
We may not have to represent anyone, but the majority of us do want to represent the community in some function (ie like me and the commando forum).
The devs never really told us we had responsibility or not, so those who were old corros went on like they did pre-NGE. Yellow names are suppoused to be community leaders (par to the sub-forum folder that holds the GS board), but in my opinion it would be stupid to be labeleed as such yet serve exclusively in self-interest.
I think what fueled all the animosity towards correspondents and now senators was the NGE. Some of the correspondents got to try it out before we knew about it (even say we would love it, then laughing about our reaction later on some private forums) and thought it was cool and so on and so forth. A lot of players blame the nge and all the lame changes within it on Senators since we can't see what they post in their exclusive forums (hence why were surprised by your joke about in one certain thread) and the comm line between dev and Senators is shorter than say us regular players trapped in all the other "Gibberish ™" on the forums. This will probably never let up and I would assume it would be better just to end the senate program for good. At least for the devs and everyone else’s own sanity (plus it’s the right thing to do at this point). Bet you never thought people would still be pissed about a change almost a year later, but there it is.
Commandos had been pissed at the devs for over 2 years...so its believable.
Anyways, only some of the corros tried the NGE (as it has been said...there were non-corros there too). The NGE wasn't even announced officially on the corro forums until a day or so (or on the same day...I cant remember now) when it was made public. As with a lot of rumors floating around the public forums at the time, we had only rumors to rely on to understand what was going on. After it was announced, it was certainly mixed reactions.
3 years and counting, for the commandos that didn't jump on the thought of being a MG gunner instead of a Commando.
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SOE thought that the NGE would be worse than it was?! And they still went forward with it?!!!
Edit: Dang it, Soda beat me to the quote. Wish I wasn't on a dialup when at work
HAHA I saw this... omg.
I think they need a real PR person in there now.
They are saying stuff that can be used as ammo like there is no tommorow.
Heh. I'm tempted to copy and paste all of virrago's comments in that thread, but I am not doing so when having to deal with dialup.
please do, i was gonna do it.
It's been pointed out many many times by many others, but the parallels between SOE's Galactic Senate and the Imperial Senate under Emperor Palpatine are almost scary.
There's a sucker born every minute. - P.T. Barnum
The perils of incestuous groupthink...
*cough*lookathighlightedportion*cough*
If the thread remains unchanged by the time I get home in 1.5 hours, I might still do so.
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wildcat84 wrote:
if the SOE forum standards were applied fairly and equally, you and Badgersmaker would have been permabanned.
We have no qualms about banning or suspending a Senator if they break the rules. Due to United States privacy laws we wouldn't be able to tell you if we did though.
wildcat84 wrote:
But you don't represent US either. - They don't have to... that isn't what they are for.
We didn't choose you. - Correct, We did.
You never ask for our feedback in meaningful ways. - They don't have to, We (SOE) do that by posting discussion threads in the Dev Discussion forum.
You don't advocate for what we want. - Again, they don't have too.
Some of you have expressed (in and out of these forums) open contempt for what we really do want. - You mean what You want right?
So, who DO you represent? I will answer that: Yourselves. - Correct, which is why we chose them.
vonbloodworth wrote:
But in the public eye you do represent SOE in this capacity. You represent them because you are volunteers, your attitudes, manners or lack there off reflect direct to that of those that placed you in this position of responsibility, SOE.
v.
Actually they represent themselves and it isn't really a position of responsibility.
vonbloodworth wrote:
Then there is absolutly no point in having them. - Incorrect, they are very usefull to us, but they do not have any influence on design changes.
Why do they get a voice stronger than everone elese? - They don't really.
Becouse they agree with you? - They don't always agree with us.
vonbloodworth wrote:
Virrago wrote:
vonbloodworth wrote:
But in the public eye you do represent SOE in this capacity. You represent them because you are volunteers, your attitudes, manners or lack there off reflect direct to that of those that placed you in this position of responsibility, SOE.
Actually they represent themselves and it isn't really a position of responsibility.
My statement holds true.
and if what you say is true, then its nothing more than a Favorites club created by the developers.
Taking us back to square one.
Your opinions holds just as much weight as theirs and you are free to discuss any design changes in the dev discussion forums. There for your statement is still false.
wildcat84 wrote:
Why should a tiny TINY minority be given a voice above the vast majority?
Sometimes we need to hear some of the voices instead of the all the voices at once which sounds like gibberish.
vonbloodworth wrote:
And yes, they do because they have a direct channel of communication separate from the MAJORITY.
They have the same direct channel that all of you do. Send a private message to me just like everyone else does.
wildcat84 wrote:
As an example of even the pitfalls of that, I sumbit the fact that even scientific focus groups can fail. My evidence: SWG's sub number in 08/05 vs 08/06.
Which has nothing to do with Sentators
Altyrell wrote:
MASTER V, i think that (s)he meant the Special "Senator-Only" Forum Section...
Which is Thunderhearts private forum. When the Designers need to collect information they post in the Dev Discussion forum or profession forum.
vonbloodworth wrote:
Virrago wrote:
Your opinions holds just as much weight as theirs and you are free to discuss any design changes in the dev discussion forums. There for your statement is still false.
My opinions do not matter,
You didn't read my reply thoroughly. I said your opinion holds just as much weight as theirs. Didn't say it mattered.
vonbloodworth wrote:
Then i ask again... what is the mandate or even shred of purpose of elevating these individuals above all others with special titles and forums? Please... I’m 100% serious.
Message Edited by vonbloodworth on 08-15-2006 01:54 PM
they don't type in large font
wildcat84 wrote:
True, and I agree 100%. But shouldn't you be looking to correct that mistake?
We continue to improve all aspects of the game. Will it ever be the same as Pre-CU or Pre-NG
telexx wrote:
Virrago wrote:
vonbloodworth wrote:
And yes, they do because they have a direct channel of communication separate from the MAJORITY.
They have the same direct channel that all of you do. Send a private message to me just like everyone else does.
TH refuses to give a status on more than four bugs I've experienced since Novemeber of 2005. There has not been any communication. I sent a PM to Marrow and never got a reply... /shrug
And you guys wonder why people are upset?
I just don't get it....
and you posted about these bugs where? Feel free to pm me the link to your thread and I'll check them out.
vonbloodworth wrote:
Answer the question.
And your forums provide the ability to do so.
This response leads me to believe that they have none, they are just a select few that the devs favor, what ever your definition of favor is.
(why do i get the felling im going to get banned over asking a question , asked two times now as a matter of fact)
The galactic senators where selected because they didn't type in large aggressive font, posted their criticism in a constructive manner, didn't rant and rave like little children, didn't live in the past and continue to want to help improve the game, are really good at finding and duplicating bugs/exploits and the like.
wildcat84 wrote:
Is the NGE working better than they did? - Actually, it isn't as bad as we predicted and now it is much easier to improve upon.
If a HUGE majority of your playerbase says you made a mistake, and please, PLEASE, undo it, why is it best to not listen to them? - too late for that now so it will never go back to the way it was.
Will it ever be the same as Pre-CU or Pre-NGE? No, because those weren't working either.-v
Divine-Shadow wrote:
Virrago wrote:
vonbloodworth wrote:
Virrago wrote:
Your opinions holds just as much weight as theirs and you are free to discuss any design changes in the dev discussion forums. There for your statement is still false.
My opinions do not matter,
You didn't read my reply thoroughly. I said your opinion holds just as much weight as theirs. Didn't say it mattered.
hahaha wow, did you just hear what you said, none of us matter LOL
What I meant was it mattered just as much as theirs did on the type of game decisions he was implying.
Starnick, I'm just curious, what do you think about Virrago's post? (clicky)
The way I read this, the galactic senate isn't really useful to SOE or the players. You just represent yourselves in the developers eyes, which makes the senate of little value to players. You don't represent SOE, so your Galactic Senate Weekly reports aren't officially sponsored by SOE, and therefore of no value.
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Heh. Glad you managed to preserve Virrago's statements, Tillamook. Thread's been deleted.
Edit: Darn it, Wildcat beat me to it. Damn this dialup!
The way I read this, the galactic senate isn't really useful to SOE or the players. You just represent yourselves in the developers eyes, which makes the senate of little value to players. You don't represent SOE, so your Galactic Senate Weekly reports aren't officially sponsored by SOE, and therefore of no value.
I did make a comment regarding that in the thread that went along the lines of:
We may not have to represent anyone, but the majority of us do want to represent the community in some function (ie like me and the commando forum).
The devs never really told us we had responsibility or not, so those who were old corros went on like they did pre-NGE. Yellow names are suppoused to be community leaders (par to the sub-forum folder that holds the GS board), but in my opinion it would be stupid to be labeleed as such yet serve exclusively in self-interest.
The way I read this, the galactic senate isn't really useful to SOE or the players. You just represent yourselves in the developers eyes, which makes the senate of little value to players. You don't represent SOE, so your Galactic Senate Weekly reports aren't officially sponsored by SOE, and therefore of no value.
I did make a comment regarding that in the thread that went along the lines of:
We may not have to represent anyone, but the majority of us do want to represent the community in some function (ie like me and the commando forum).
The devs never really told us we had responsibility or not, so those who were old corros went on like they did pre-NGE. Yellow names are suppoused to be community leaders (par to the sub-forum folder that holds the GS board), but in my opinion it would be stupid to be labeleed as such yet serve exclusively in self-interest.
And yet, it seems that's exactly what SOE wants. Also, there's a few senators that DO only act in self-interest. They also flame and attack players with no repercussions. The den of hypocracy grows more blatant.
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All I can make of Virragos comments , Is that the senators are soe's forum Marketing team . With a few thugs on board to muscle SOE positive outlook down players throats .
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Lol. This Virrago guy is laughable at best. "The current game sucks just as much as Pre-cu and the CU did. In other words weve wasted 3 years."
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The way I read this, the galactic senate isn't really useful to SOE or the players. You just represent yourselves in the developers eyes, which makes the senate of little value to players. You don't represent SOE, so your Galactic Senate Weekly reports aren't officially sponsored by SOE, and therefore of no value.
I did make a comment regarding that in the thread that went along the lines of:
We may not have to represent anyone, but the majority of us do want to represent the community in some function (ie like me and the commando forum).
The devs never really told us we had responsibility or not, so those who were old corros went on like they did pre-NGE. Yellow names are suppoused to be community leaders (par to the sub-forum folder that holds the GS board), but in my opinion it would be stupid to be labeleed as such yet serve exclusively in self-interest.
I think what fueled all the animosity towards correspondents and now senators was the NGE. Some of the correspondents got to try it out before we knew about it (even say we would love it, then laughing about our reaction later on some private forums) and thought it was cool and so on and so forth. A lot of players blame the nge and all the lame changes within it on Senators since we can't see what they post in their exclusive forums (hence why were surprised by your joke about in one certain thread) and the comm line between dev and Senators is shorter than say us regular players trapped in all the other "Gibberish ™" on the forums. This will probably never let up and I would assume it would be better just to end the senate program for good. At least for the devs and everyone else’s own sanity (plus it’s the right thing to do at this point). Bet you never thought people would still be pissed about a change almost a year later, but there it is.
The way I read this, the galactic senate isn't really useful to SOE or the players. You just represent yourselves in the developers eyes, which makes the senate of little value to players. You don't represent SOE, so your Galactic Senate Weekly reports aren't officially sponsored by SOE, and therefore of no value.
I did make a comment regarding that in the thread that went along the lines of:
We may not have to represent anyone, but the majority of us do want to represent the community in some function (ie like me and the commando forum).
The devs never really told us we had responsibility or not, so those who were old corros went on like they did pre-NGE. Yellow names are suppoused to be community leaders (par to the sub-forum folder that holds the GS board), but in my opinion it would be stupid to be labeleed as such yet serve exclusively in self-interest.
I think what fueled all the animosity towards correspondents and now senators was the NGE. Some of the correspondents got to try it out before we knew about it (even say we would love it, then laughing about our reaction later on some private forums) and thought it was cool and so on and so forth. A lot of players blame the nge and all the lame changes within it on Senators since we can't see what they post in their exclusive forums (hence why were surprised by your joke about in one certain thread) and the comm line between dev and Senators is shorter than say us regular players trapped in all the other "Gibberish ™" on the forums. This will probably never let up and I would assume it would be better just to end the senate program for good. At least for the devs and everyone else’s own sanity (plus it’s the right thing to do at this point). Bet you never thought people would still be pissed about a change almost a year later, but there it is.
Commandos had been pissed at the devs for over 2 years...so its believable.
Anyways, only some of the corros tried the NGE (as it has been said...there were non-corros there too). The NGE wasn't even announced officially on the corro forums until a day or so (or on the same day...I cant remember now) when it was made public. As with a lot of rumors floating around the public forums at the time, we had only rumors to rely on to understand what was going on. After it was announced, it was certainly mixed reactions.
The way I read this, the galactic senate isn't really useful to SOE or the players. You just represent yourselves in the developers eyes, which makes the senate of little value to players. You don't represent SOE, so your Galactic Senate Weekly reports aren't officially sponsored by SOE, and therefore of no value.
I did make a comment regarding that in the thread that went along the lines of:
We may not have to represent anyone, but the majority of us do want to represent the community in some function (ie like me and the commando forum).
The devs never really told us we had responsibility or not, so those who were old corros went on like they did pre-NGE. Yellow names are suppoused to be community leaders (par to the sub-forum folder that holds the GS board), but in my opinion it would be stupid to be labeleed as such yet serve exclusively in self-interest.
I think what fueled all the animosity towards correspondents and now senators was the NGE. Some of the correspondents got to try it out before we knew about it (even say we would love it, then laughing about our reaction later on some private forums) and thought it was cool and so on and so forth. A lot of players blame the nge and all the lame changes within it on Senators since we can't see what they post in their exclusive forums (hence why were surprised by your joke about in one certain thread) and the comm line between dev and Senators is shorter than say us regular players trapped in all the other "Gibberish ™" on the forums. This will probably never let up and I would assume it would be better just to end the senate program for good. At least for the devs and everyone else’s own sanity (plus it’s the right thing to do at this point). Bet you never thought people would still be pissed about a change almost a year later, but there it is.
Commandos had been pissed at the devs for over 2 years...so its believable.
Anyways, only some of the corros tried the NGE (as it has been said...there were non-corros there too). The NGE wasn't even announced officially on the corro forums until a day or so (or on the same day...I cant remember now) when it was made public. As with a lot of rumors floating around the public forums at the time, we had only rumors to rely on to understand what was going on. After it was announced, it was certainly mixed reactions.
No one else saw any of the corros outcries since it was hidden in a private forum. As far as most players were concerned most Correspondents took up their positions as senators and happily went about there business supporting what ever SOE thru at them. I think there was only one correspondent that I remember publicly declining the position. Not that that means anything other than one more person who didn't like what SOE did and felt this was the way the would make their statement like a lot of us.
Any idea what got up Virrago's butt today for him to pull all those halfa$$ed flames on people on the forums?
The way I read this, the galactic senate isn't really useful to SOE or the players. You just represent yourselves in the developers eyes, which makes the senate of little value to players. You don't represent SOE, so your Galactic Senate Weekly reports aren't officially sponsored by SOE, and therefore of no value.
I did make a comment regarding that in the thread that went along the lines of:
We may not have to represent anyone, but the majority of us do want to represent the community in some function (ie like me and the commando forum).
The devs never really told us we had responsibility or not, so those who were old corros went on like they did pre-NGE. Yellow names are suppoused to be community leaders (par to the sub-forum folder that holds the GS board), but in my opinion it would be stupid to be labeleed as such yet serve exclusively in self-interest.
I think what fueled all the animosity towards correspondents and now senators was the NGE. Some of the correspondents got to try it out before we knew about it (even say we would love it, then laughing about our reaction later on some private forums) and thought it was cool and so on and so forth. A lot of players blame the nge and all the lame changes within it on Senators since we can't see what they post in their exclusive forums (hence why were surprised by your joke about in one certain thread) and the comm line between dev and Senators is shorter than say us regular players trapped in all the other "Gibberish ™" on the forums. This will probably never let up and I would assume it would be better just to end the senate program for good. At least for the devs and everyone else’s own sanity (plus it’s the right thing to do at this point). Bet you never thought people would still be pissed about a change almost a year later, but there it is.
Commandos had been pissed at the devs for over 2 years...so its believable.
Anyways, only some of the corros tried the NGE (as it has been said...there were non-corros there too). The NGE wasn't even announced officially on the corro forums until a day or so (or on the same day...I cant remember now) when it was made public. As with a lot of rumors floating around the public forums at the time, we had only rumors to rely on to understand what was going on. After it was announced, it was certainly mixed reactions.
No one else saw any of the corros outcries since it was hidden in a private forum. As far as most players were concerned most Correspondents took up their positions as senators and happily went about there business supporting what ever SOE thru at them. I think there was only one correspondent that I remember publicly declining the position. Not that that means anything other than one more person who didn't like what SOE did and felt this was the way the would make their statement like a lot of us.
Any idea what got up Virrago's butt today for him to pull all those halfa$$ed flames on people on the forums?
Whats a better way to make Badger and his ilk think they are doing a good job ?
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Lol. This Virrago guy is laughable at best. "The current game sucks just as much as Pre-cu and the CU did. In other words weve wasted 3 years."
Yes, well SOE was never good at sticking with any one thing and working on it to help it reach its full potential. I don't just speak of pre-CU, but many of the bugs and the other systems came out of SOEs failure to focus on any one thing for a decent amount of time.
How the hell does Viraggo keep his job? Community Relations? In Bizarro world.
He's like a penis that can type.
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The way I read this, the galactic senate isn't really useful to SOE or the players. You just represent yourselves in the developers eyes, which makes the senate of little value to players. You don't represent SOE, so your Galactic Senate Weekly reports aren't officially sponsored by SOE, and therefore of no value.
I did make a comment regarding that in the thread that went along the lines of:
We may not have to represent anyone, but the majority of us do want to represent the community in some function (ie like me and the commando forum).
The devs never really told us we had responsibility or not, so those who were old corros went on like they did pre-NGE. Yellow names are suppoused to be community leaders (par to the sub-forum folder that holds the GS board), but in my opinion it would be stupid to be labeleed as such yet serve exclusively in self-interest.
I think what fueled all the animosity towards correspondents and now senators was the NGE. Some of the correspondents got to try it out before we knew about it (even say we would love it, then laughing about our reaction later on some private forums) and thought it was cool and so on and so forth. A lot of players blame the nge and all the lame changes within it on Senators since we can't see what they post in their exclusive forums (hence why were surprised by your joke about in one certain thread) and the comm line between dev and Senators is shorter than say us regular players trapped in all the other "Gibberish ™" on the forums. This will probably never let up and I would assume it would be better just to end the senate program for good. At least for the devs and everyone else’s own sanity (plus it’s the right thing to do at this point). Bet you never thought people would still be pissed about a change almost a year later, but there it is.
Commandos had been pissed at the devs for over 2 years...so its believable.
Anyways, only some of the corros tried the NGE (as it has been said...there were non-corros there too). The NGE wasn't even announced officially on the corro forums until a day or so (or on the same day...I cant remember now) when it was made public. As with a lot of rumors floating around the public forums at the time, we had only rumors to rely on to understand what was going on. After it was announced, it was certainly mixed reactions.
3 years and counting, for the commandos that didn't jump on the thought of being a MG gunner instead of a Commando.