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Don't bash popularity!!!!!
Beanchilla
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Now people say that "the most popular isnt best"
and it makes sense in some cases
Like i don't care for WoW or McDonalds
However i love starbucks
and i want people to understand something
Things that are big may not be your favorite,
but they are big for a reason
people say WoW isnt good but its popular for its name "blizzard"
Now blizzard got big by releasing quality games, so this is perfectly fair,
we trust them and they are determined to make quality products,
Also people have been playing WoW for a long time now and if it wasnt quality, it wouldnt be stable or growing.
Now i am not a fanboi,
ive played this game a total of about 5 months 3 when it was released, and i tried it again in june for 2 months.
But the facts are the facts
its exactly why starbucks is the biggest coffee shop place,
It tastes fucking fantastic.
And when you say "people are dumb for the most part"
You're just being a stubborn prick because most people disagree with you.
I don't like wow, and i've found my "niche game" its planetside. I love it and its for me
you might like FoM, or SoR, or Second life, or everquest or whatever.
But you shouldn't bash wow for its popularity.
Just another handsome boy graduate...
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He convinced me too even though I don't hate WoW and I don't even play it either. I've tried it and it's not that bad of a game, it just has some little things that I see why people drive around in it for years at a time.
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Okay. Fact #1: Most humans are stupid. Fact #2: Something that is popular has lots of humans liking it. Read fact number one and you'll understand some peoples thinking.
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The only thing that really bugged me about WoW, and most things popular is the "Crowd" or "community" that it creates.
Because it's popular, people who are not necessarily "belonging" in that atmosphere start to cloud it, and turn it from a possible "good experience" into something less desirable by the misfits who hang around it.
For example, WoW. WoW is filled with kiddies, griefers, whiners, Chuck Norris morons, and anything else you can think of. Why? Because of it's popularity. As people say, it is a starter MMO. Anyone who doesn't normally play MMOs can jump in and play. Because of this, everyone and their dog will play it, and drive anyone with some intelligence nuts.
Starbucks has the same thing going for it. Sure, it is good, but those morons with their "I'm classier than you are so shine my shoes while I drink coffee you low life" attitude drive me nuts. Why would I want to go somewhere where everyone around me stares at me because I'm not prissy enough to be like them. I hate those snooty goody-two-shoed pricks who go to or do something popular, just because it is. Get a life.
So yes, you are right, popular isn't bad. But the people who "follow" popularity wherever it may roam are what makes popular things into a living nightmare.
As for WoW, I played since release, never found a good group of people to play with, and just ended up quitting. Now, I found a great group of people, who are extremely nice, and have me playing now. I love Anarchy Online, and I enjoy SWG, but the fact is that even though WoW may not be an amazing game, the community I have now found draws me to it.
Community or atmosphere, in games, or in coffee shops, or whatever you want to compare it to, can make or break an experience.
Don't be one of the pricks, you may think you're cool, but everyone hates you
Good topic by the way
hehe very true,
but i find that most of the pricks dont go to starbucks
they go to some place with TERRIBLE tasting coffee (in my opinion of course)
and go... "psh... i know SOOOO much more about coffee since i drink here instead"
Takai001
Okay. Fact #1: Most humans are stupid. Fact #2: Something that is popular has lots of humans liking it. Read fact number one and you'll understand some peoples thinking.
Okay as for that guys statements,
Thats one of those prick people i was talking about that say "people are stupid because they like popular things"
Just because someone likes Snakes on a plane compared to Lost in translation
doesn't mean they are stupid, it means they don't like that kind of movie.
And i'm a fan of both haha
its just logical
No offense to Takai001 (or maybe it is)
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WoW brought a lot of people into the MMO genre of games and due to the addictive nature of MMO's it's easy to get sucked into it and not really think about what you're doing. In my experience, there are really 4 types of people that play WoW:
1)Those that haven't played enough to know any better. They haven't yet reached the point where battlegrounds are boring and raiding is monotonous. Maybe they're still leveling up and going through the quests. It's only a matter of time before they get sick of it like the more hardcore players. Granted if they're very casual players, they may never reach that point either.
2)Those that are hardcore raiders and are in sort of a self-imposed delusional state. Maintaining DKP and upgrading items to show off in ironforge are the only things that matter in life anymore. If you forced these same people to step back and stop playing for a month, a lot of them would probably realize that what they're doing isn't all that fun and would move on. (Hardcore battleground farmers grinding for their high warlord gear fall into this category as well).
3)People that cling to the blizzard name and the false hope that the next patch or expansion is going to make everything all better. The next patch comes and something small is improved, but they continue to hold out hope.
4) People that are really really bored and the fact that there is no real competition for WoW leads them to keep subscribing "for the hell of it". By random chance something interesting may happen in WoW and they can log on and hang out with their old guild. Other games are dated or in development or are just plain bad so WoW simply fills the MMO void.
Not to take anything away from WoW. It's a good game up until you're forced to raid to progress and you realize the pvp is very limited. They brought a lot of new people into MMOs which will bring a lot more and better games to the market in the future. The thing that bothers me is people think WoW is the end all be all because it has so many subscribers. This is also bad for the reason that it may lead other gaming companies to copy WoW's model and repeat their mistakes rather than improving. Wow is a decent game....for a while, but it's not that good. And the fact that it has a lot of subscribers doesn't necessarily attest to it's quality. And its lifespan may be shorter than you think if another decent game comes out and WoW's expansion is anything short of amazing.
In the everlasting words of Dogbert and his creator Scott Adams: people are stupid. sorry bub, but its a well known fact that most people are led around by others whether they think so or not. Leaders througout history have known this, every politician in the world knows and accounts for it. I'd cite an example, but I cant think of one at the moment that wouldnt turn this thread into a flamefest.
Popularity means next to absolutely nothing in the end. You used Mcdonalds as an example earlier, they lead the competition because they have good marketing, and their food is cheap, not because they are a better restaurant themselves.
World of Warcraft is in a similar position for similar reasons, great marketing, and easy gameplay. Its a lot easier to get into the play style of WOW as compared to almost any other game out there, as such it has enormous appeal for the younger crowd and those who are new to the MMO world in general. Because both of these categories are huge in numbers, Blizzard hit the jackpot and probably will continue to rake in the cash for years to come. This once again does not make them better in any way, they are simply targeted at a certain audience, and one that people can arguably say don't know any better.
Personally, I do not like the game, the graphics remind me of the Warner Brothers, and there is little to no real challenge for me, the quality of the community on top of that led me to cease playing pretty quickly.
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By that logic the following is true.
Reality shows is good TV.
Cheezy harlequin novels are good books.
Paintings of dogs playing card is good artistry.
Honestly you could torture me to death and I would never oblige to any of the above.
WoW, or starbucks, or McDonalds is popular for one simple reaons, people in general is lazy, they want it fast and they want it now and if they do not have to think at all then all the better.
Entertainment or food, or whatever, the world today revolvs around "Digest and forget".
Not because people are stupid necesarily but because they do not want to put any effort into anything if they do not have to.
Yes I will bash popularity in all these cases, each of them are detrimental to human society and just undermines our steady path to being spoonfed with absolutely everything, from nourishment to entertainment.
No reality shows is NOT good TV.
No poorly written novels about this or that is NOT good litterature.
No McDonalds do not make good food.
They all just play on our desire to have all our needs served to us right here right now, no fuss.
If MCDonalds make good food or Jackie Collins write good boks then what does that make a 3 star restuarant, or Hemingway or HG Wells in terms of litterature.
They all might be good enough to consume, and even enjoy in its most shallow meaning, but they pale in comparison.
The latter requires you to think and/or savor the moment though, if people are unwilling or unable I do not know.
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Originally posted by Jerek_
I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts.
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Those disagreeing with my statement honestly are supporting exactly what i said.
You all think that the general population is "lazy, dumb, weak, manipulative, etc."
You think you are above others when in fact you are not.
Just because you feel mcdonalds consumers and wow players are lazy,
that doesn't mean you arent
You are not better than those people
we are all human beings
and we all have differient tastes
A lot of our tastes relate
Like for instance
Lets say 85% of people like McDonalds while 15% Do not,
that does not mean either side is right or wrong
its a matter of taste
and when you start saying that when someone that doesn't enjoy mcdonalds says that their better
and superior simply because they are not eating mcdonalds thats when people get arrogant.
Now mcdonalds may be bad for you but you can use any example
Its just arrogant to think you are better than others because you don't like something popular.
I DO NOT LIKE abercrombie and fitch, i think their rich people clothes, and honestly i may not like people that try to hard to fit in by wearing them, but i would never go far enough to say they are subpar when compared with myself just because i dont agree with something they buy.
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Perfectly fine,
Makes perfect sense and you have you reasons
Me too, i hate the pvp, i hate the grind, and i like having something to work towards.
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Someones taking peer pressure to a new level,
now i know people feel the need to be accepted,
but i dont think anyone is getting popular for playing WoW
in fact i bet theyd be more popular if they didnt,
If people dont eat at mcdonalds its not gonna affect their popularity
no ones gonna go "you dont drink starbucks.... I cant be friends with you"
and ive never heard a girl/boy say "i cant be with you anymore, my parents just.... they dont understand that you don't buy hollister"
some things may be peer pressure
but all these no way
especially WoW
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Personally....
I believe WOW is a huge success not only for its easy spoonfed plays itself with little need for thought on the part of the player style but also for being in the right place at the right time. The cold hard fact is that there is nothing out right now that can offer any competition to WOW period.
I believe that the next run of MMOs will change the current landscape drastically. When WAR comes out i believe that many will jump off the WOW bandwagon simply because there will be something new to try. WOW is played out already and slapping some half assed expansion onto it that gives a few more levels and a couple of new races is not going to change the game enough to make it competitive with a game that is brand spanking new and unexplored.
As far as something being good just because its popular? Think back to cabbage patch dolls and beanie babies. once adored now abandoned.
This too shall pass......
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playing eq2 and two worlds
Kids are just like zombies. They will follow one another off a cliff. They lie, they cheat, they cry when no one belives them....yupp thats the definition of a WOW player right there.
So, if you like a game by EA or SOE , play it. (you might get f**ked up the ass later because of it... but yeah
The bottom line is play what you like to play. I don't like WoW because it caters to the new MMO'ers crowd. For those that are new to MMO's (and some others) it is a good game.
Also, the popular isn't always the best, but it certainly isn't the worst always. There has to be at least a certain "something" for something to be popular, even if most people don't understand it. But than again, many times I find that something that isn't popular can be better, sometimes much better. It's all a maatter of taste.
1: I think everything served by starbucks tastes watered down and is overpriced. Also I had a teller treat me like crap there the first time I went so never went back. Yes it means I haven't tasted everything they have to serve, only one drink. However I was treated like something that had crawled out the gutter, because I asked for less ice so screw 'em.
2: I hate fantasy and people playing a Gnome that cast spells and fights Elves is just too gay for me to handle at my age.
3: I love McDonalds.
4: Yes because it's popular doesn't make it good or bad, it just means it is popular.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
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