Pro-polygamist teens defend their families at Salt Lake rally

reavo

I support these people.  They say it's their religious belief.  So who in America has the right to tell them they can't practice it?   I think denying them the right to practice their religion is unconstitutional.

Pro-polygamist teens defend their families at Salt Lake rally

hazmats

as long as all the women are above 18 when they get married, i don't really care. 

Spathotan

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Originally posted by reavo
I support these people.  They say it's their religious belief.  So who in America has the right to tell them they can't practice it?   I think denying them the right to practice their religion is unconstitutional.

Pro-polygamist teens defend their families at Salt Lake rally

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The federal reserve is unconstitutional as well. Go from there.

Kuzzle

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Originally posted by hazmats

as long as all the women are above 18 when they get married, i don't really care. 

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   And as long as they're not related to the people they marry... *shudder* I saw most of a show on A&E about polygamy, and it, like, focused on the Mormons in Utah, and they, like, marries their nieces and stuff...

(Edit: Oh, and I don't like the whole role women play in such relationships. By that I mean, they're often thought as lessers, and that pisses me off.

   And if it's for religious beliefs, well, you know my views on that. If it's just a group of consenting adults engaging in sexual activities, leave it alone. Marriages should really only between two people, though. I mean, that's the whole point of marriage.)

Vertex1980

So it still doesn't tell me what they hell they believe in.  Why is it a felonly?  Do they dance nude and eat raw meat?  I don't get it.

reavo

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Originally posted by Kuzzle

Originally posted by hazmats

as long as all the women are above 18 when they get married, i don't really care. 

   And as long as they're not related to the people they marry... *shudder* I saw most of a show on A&E about polygamy, and it, like, focused on the Mormons in Utah, and they, like, marries their nieces and stuff...

(Edit: Oh, and I don't like the whole role women play in such relationships. By that I mean, they're often thought as lessers, and that pisses me off.

   And if it's for religious beliefs, well, you know my views on that. If it's just a group of consenting adults engaging in sexual activities, leave it alone. Marriages should really only between two people, though. I mean, that's the whole point of marriage.)

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Not in the Bible.  And not historically.

Malachi1975

Any person who has the fortitude to have more than one wife can knock themselves out in my book as long as their not marrying sisters and underaged girls (Which is part of what that kook who is on the FBIs Most Wanted list was doing).

My concern is what happens in a divorce? Split 10 ways? Which wife takes precident for child support payments and alimony? Who gets the house? Who gets the dog? What are the tax benefits of 10 wives or so?

Enquiring minds...

Malachi1975

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Originally posted by reavo

Originally posted by Kuzzle

Originally posted by hazmats

as long as all the women are above 18 when they get married, i don't really care. 

   And as long as they're not related to the people they marry... *shudder* I saw most of a show on A&E about polygamy, and it, like, focused on the Mormons in Utah, and they, like, marries their nieces and stuff...

(Edit: Oh, and I don't like the whole role women play in such relationships. By that I mean, they're often thought as lessers, and that pisses me off.

   And if it's for religious beliefs, well, you know my views on that. If it's just a group of consenting adults engaging in sexual activities, leave it alone. Marriages should really only between two people, though. I mean, that's the whole point of marriage.)

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Not in the Bible.  And not historically.

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Indeed. God knows how many men in the Old Testiment had several wives. The only thing the Bible teaches is "Obey the Laws of the Land".

Rhaycen

Marriage is just a bond between people to officiate their relationship to the general public. I do not think it is anyones business werther people get married in two, threes or tens ...

The anti-polygamy laws were innitially introduced because many women within these marriages were being abused, and because pedophiles used this 'religion' to get their hands on underages girls. The problem with this was that they introduced a set of laws even though they weren't inforcing the laws that were already in place in the first place. (spousal abuse, abuse of minors, rape, etc.etc.)

Any man strong enough to handle more then one woman ... great for him ...
Any woman that can handle more then one man ... prolly will make a good mother ... since men rarely advance beyond age 4 (mentally)

Vertex1980

So what is Pro-polygamist?

Never mind, GOOGLE FTW!

fizzle322

Polygamy should be legal.

Its none of my business how many spouses you have.

honzolo

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Originally posted by reavo
I support these people.  They say it's their religious belief.  So who in America has the right to tell them they can't practice it?   I think denying them the right to practice their religion is unconstitutional.

Pro-polygamist teens defend their families at Salt Lake rally

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 That is the next step after gay marriage. But its funny how so many people who say that 'who are we to tell two consenting adults they can't marry' are complaetely against polygamists doing the same. I respect your consistency in this regard, Reavo.

methane47

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Originally posted by honzolo
That is the next step after gay marriage. But its funny how so many people who say that 'who are we to tell two consenting adults they can't marry' are complaetely against polygamists doing the same. I respect your consistency in this regard, Reavo.

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I was going to say the same thing... I find it hilarious that people who are all for gay marriage... when it comes to polygamy all of a sudden.. they are trying to protect the institution of marriage.. Makes me chuckle inside..

Anywho.. I really dont see how people can be encarcerated for polygamy since they are only legally married to One of the wives...... The others can just be considered Extra marrital relationships... I know someplaces still hold that Adultery is illegal... But i say until they start cracking down on Cheating husbands and wives... and putting them in jail, they should leave the polygamists alone.

Aldaron

Oh why the hell not. The bastions of morality are already in the dumpster - Making this legal afterall would only institute a certain amount of consistency.

noname12345

How does something that hurts nobody and only makes a bunch of people happy immoral? Polygamists have been abusive but so has many normal Christian wed couples.

I've seen many priests molest little boys (well I didn't actually see it happening). I think we should make preisthood illegal.

Aldaron

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Originally posted by AlexAmore
How does something that hurts nobody and only makes a bunch of people happy immoral? Polygamists have been abusive but so has many normal Christian wed couples.

I've seen many priests molest little boys (well I didn't actually see it happening). I think we should make preisthood illegal.

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Since when is this about abuse?

As for your comparison let's take it even further and say per capita black males commit the most crimes - Or wait, why stop there, we'll just go after males period because as a gender they commit more crimes than women.

Ok...Being a man henceforth is illegal. Asinine? Oh yes...

Anofalye

Someone who think polygamy is even possible has no understanding of commitment.

To marry someone, is to accept to share with this other person.  Now if you marry more than 1 person, the needs are often clashing and you are plainly unable to fullfil what you are supposed to.

I never see any person who do polygamy able to fulfil it duties, the persons they marry are "accepting less", because they aren't able to give what they should be.

modjoe86

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Originally posted by AlexAmore
How does something that hurts nobody and only makes a bunch of people happy immoral? Polygamists have been abusive but so has many normal Christian wed couples.

I've seen many priests molest little boys (well I didn't actually see it happening). I think we should make preisthood illegal.

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Yea Alex, bad argument, sorry.
Priesthood has the a slightly lower rate of molestation than all other professions. It's just that a priest molesting a kid gets more publicity than a plumber asking little Timmy to touch his weiner.
Every profession has a fairly equal proportion of molestation, so let's outlaw having jobs. Your string of logic seems to point to that.

Cowinspace

Meh, as long as its between two consenting adults who could otherwise marry why not? Doesn't do anyone else any harm so let folks have as many wives (or husbands) as they like, better than the partners cheating on each other leading to divorce and the nastiness of custody battles if kids are involved.

noname12345

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Originally posted by Aldaron

Originally posted by AlexAmore
How does something that hurts nobody and only makes a bunch of people happy immoral? Polygamists have been abusive but so has many normal Christian wed couples.

I've seen many priests molest little boys (well I didn't actually see it happening). I think we should make preisthood illegal.

Since when is this about abuse?
Answer my first question so I don't have to guess. Why do you find Polygamy to be immoral when it makes everyone in the relationship happy and hurts nobody?

If I left out the underline that you see above, that would probably lead you talking about how wives are unhappy and get abused. But that is only a minority which get tons of publicity.

As for your comparison let's take it even further and say per capita black males commit the most crimes - Or wait, why stop there, we'll just go after males period because as a gender they commit more crimes than women.
Thanks you proved my point. Now why do you find Polygamy immoral?

Ok...Being a man henceforth is illegal. Asinine? Oh yes...

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Rabidaskal

That was a poorly written article, didn't really tell me exactly what they were rallying about.  I know the dictionary definition of polygamy, but I was interested to know how their religions apply it.  They mentioned 'polygamous communities,' is that like some kind of commune?

We seem to be assuming its one man -> many women kind of polygamy.  Do they also use a one woman -> many men variation?

Lifestlye-wise like others have said, more power to them.  On a personal note though I don't think I could live being "Huband #3" or something like that . . . yes my primal male ego can't take it I admit it

Blurr

I just wanted to add some things. First of all, a quote from the article:

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"..polygamy was abandoned by Mormons as a condition of statehood in 1890. The church now excommunicates members found to be practicing plural marriage. It also disavows those who call themselves “fundamentalist Mormons,”.."

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Actually polygamy was abandoned by Mormons because the leader of the church (the Prophet) said God told him it was no longer necessary. (It was allowed by the church temporarily in the 1800's because there were far more women than men, and at that time, women needed a man's protection). Either way, true Mormons don't practice polygamy. One of the very first laws in the Book of Mormon (the book which forms the basis for the faith, along with the Bible and a few others), is basically "Thou shall have but one wife, and no concubines." It's clearly spelled out (though I paraphrased there).

The problem is that these people are trying to say it should be their right because it's the Mormon religion, but it's not. It's like calling yourself Catholic but believing that "Thou shall not kill" isn't a rule. They're practicing a perverted form of it. The same way that some "fundamentalist" Muslims practice a perverted form of Islam (that says kill christians/jews), like Al Qaeda. That's right, I just brought terrorists into this conversation.

But the fact is, in the view of the true Mormon religion, these people are practicing a perverted set of rules just like most Muslims view groups like Al Qaeda as practicing a perverted form of Islam. (From what I understand, in Islam it is forbidden to kill. Al Qaeda figures this rule doesn't apply to them)

Now I"m not trying to say that these polygamists are terrorists. However, they are trying to be given the right to be polygamist by saying that it's part of their religion, when the 'religion' they practice goes against the teachings of the church. They should not be allowed to do anything illegal on the basis that it is their religious belief, especially because it's counter to the standards of the church.

If they are allowed polygamy based on the fact that they say it's their religious belief, then I'm starting a religion where all members are allowed to smoke crack. My members cannot be held legally responsible for anything they do while smoking crack because it's part of a religious trance ceremony whereby we will attain eternal salvation. Oh and also the men in the church are allowed to rape the women of the church. It's a religious ceremony. Maybe we can have something about smoking pot too. And we'll hate gay people and anyone whose name ends with a vowel.

What could it hurt, right?

Vercades

I just came to a realization reavo.  Reave means plunder, tear asunder, steal, ect.  Thought, I'd let you know.

noname12345

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Originally posted by Blurr

I just wanted to add some things. First of all, a quote from the article:


"..polygamy was abandoned by Mormons as a condition of statehood in 1890. The church now excommunicates members found to be practicing plural marriage. It also disavows those who call themselves “fundamentalist Mormons,”.."



Actually polygamy was abandoned by Mormons because the leader of the church (the Prophet) said God told him it was no longer necessary. (It was allowed by the church temporarily in the 1800's because there were far more women than men, and at that time, women needed a man's protection). Either way, true Mormons don't practice polygamy. One of the very first laws in the Book of Mormon (the book which forms the basis for the faith, along with the Bible and a few others), is basically "Thou shall have but one wife, and no concubines." It's clearly spelled out (though I paraphrased there).
The problem is that these people are trying to say it should be their right because it's the Mormon religion, but it's not. It's like calling yourself Catholic but believing that "Thou shall not kill" isn't a rule. They're practicing a perverted form of it. The same way that some "fundamentalist" Muslims practice a perverted form of Islam (that says kill christians/jews), like Al Qaeda. That's right, I just brought terrorists into this conversation.
But the fact is, in the view of the true Mormon religion, these people are practicing a perverted set of rules just like most Muslims view groups like Al Qaeda as practicing a perverted form of Islam. (From what I understand, in Islam it is forbidden to kill. Al Qaeda figures this rule doesn't apply to them)
Now I"m not trying to say that these polygamists are terrorists. However, they are trying to be given the right to be polygamist by saying that it's part of their religion, when the 'religion' they practice goes against the teachings of the church. They should not be allowed to do anything illegal on the basis that it is their religious belief, especially because it's counter to the standards of the church.
If they are allowed polygamy based on the fact that they say it's their religious belief, then I'm starting a religion where all members are allowed to smoke crack. My members cannot be held legally responsible for anything they do while smoking crack because it's part of a religious trance ceremony whereby we will attain eternal salvation. Oh and also the men in the church are allowed to rape the women of the church. It's a religious ceremony. Maybe we can have something about smoking pot too. And we'll hate gay people and anyone whose name ends with a vowel.
What could it hurt, right?
The woman. The crack...well doesn't hurt anyone but yourself, just like cigs(assuming they are smoked outside and away). Polygamy on the otherhand hurts nobody; the only problem is the ones you guys are making up. If Polygamy was legal then none of you guys would probably have a problem with it. It seems you guys have been pretty well brainwashed. Also a religion is anything people believe in...look it up. So if they believe in polygamy then no matter what the basis is, it is still a religion. I personally don't give a sh*t about the religion part, quite frankly I believe in a free country where people can marry whoever the hell they want. I guess you guys believe in oppression.

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viadi

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Originally posted by hazmats

as long as all the women are above 18 when they get married, i don't really care. 

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QFE QFT

as long as its done with the consent of the people involved no one should care there private lives should be just that.... private

noname12345

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Originally posted by viadi

Originally posted by hazmats

as long as all the women are above 18 when they get married, i don't really care. 

QFE QFT

as long as its done with the consent of the people involved no one should care there private lives should be just that.... private

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Exactly. Except I would put it more at 17 because at 17 you can go to war with the parents consent. So I would say with a parents consent they should get married at 17 if they want, just like at any age you want parents consent to get married.