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Rekrul
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Interesting points raised, especially coming from Raph. Bearing many similiarities with the direction SWG is taking and the mythical new audience.
Can you guess which part the SWG cannot copy from WoW and why this is the reason NGE failed?
But more interestingly, look at the people present and stand in awe (yes, seriously) as not one of them wants to make another WoW. Anything but.
Also important because of STO.
Can you guess which part the SWG cannot copy from WoW and why this is the reason NGE failed?
But more interestingly, look at the people present and stand in awe (yes, seriously) as not one of them wants to make another WoW. Anything but.
Also important because of STO.
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"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
SWG will never have that, therefore lacking the core mechanism to rival that.
And if you bothered to look at the article, you'd see that there were some interesting people involved, I just happened to have found this in Raph's blog.
SWG will never have that, therefore lacking the core mechanism to rival that.
And if you bothered to look at the article, you'd see that there were some interesting people involved, I just happened to have found this in Raph's blog.
I dont look at his site anymore. The mention of it and him alone in your OP is enough to net my cocky post.
Although from what ive read in your post I will agree. SWG will never have what WoW has because of the time and money issue. SoE refuses to SPEND money on Star Wars because they believe the name alone will do all the work for them, raking in piles of cash. It was at one point, then SoE started pissing in our Stim Packs.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
So why does it still fail - well they are trying so hard to fit in with all the other MMO's out there that they have lost perspective on what they want & where there going - i presume i have no need to mention what they forgot about during this, us the customers <-- oops mentioned it anyway.
In the rush for WOW glory $OE has lost insight, respect, integrity ,trust & players
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
Say the words "Raph Koster" in a thread he's trolling.
Shayde said on
August 26th, 2006 at 5:43 pm:
Socialization is great… even forced socialization.
BUT… not in COMBAT. Sure, make it easier to group up to achieve your goals.
Socialization
is for finding crafted items. For watching an Entertainer in a Cantina
to cure your battle fatigue. Selling resources to crafters to make a
buck.
Classic SWG had it SO right. Pearls to the swine that run $OE.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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Mike Blair said on
August 26th, 2006 at 4:42 pm:
Pre-CU
SWG would have been the anti-WOW and is the future of MMOs. I suspect
that WoW burns out sooner than would be predicted (ie: doesn’t last as
long as EQ, DAoC, UO, etc).
At least what pre-CU SWG was has
the most passionate and determined fanbase of any MMO. We ARE getting
it back, one way or another
Nicely put.
But I think WoW will never stop as long as they keep putting fun things in it.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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Or pre-cu for that matter. They haven't invested a dime into that. Imperial crackdown? An NPC harrasing players? Not fun.
SWG will never have that, therefore lacking the core mechanism to rival that.
And if you bothered to look at the article, you'd see that there were some interesting people involved, I just happened to have found this in Raph's blog.
I dont look at his site anymore. The mention of it and him alone in your OP is enough to net my cocky post.
Although from what ive read in your post I will agree. SWG will never have what WoW has because of the time and money issue. SoE refuses to SPEND money on Star Wars because they believe the name alone will do all the work for them, raking in piles of cash. It was at one point, then SoE started pissing in our Stim Packs.
Just out of curiosity, what is your problem with Koster?
"The man who exchanges Liberty for Iconic classes is a fool deserving of neither." - Me and Ben Franklin
SWG will never have that, therefore lacking the core mechanism to rival that.
And if you bothered to look at the article, you'd see that there were some interesting people involved, I just happened to have found this in Raph's blog.
I dont look at his site anymore. The mention of it and him alone in your OP is enough to net my cocky post.
Although from what ive read in your post I will agree. SWG will never have what WoW has because of the time and money issue. SoE refuses to SPEND money on Star Wars because they believe the name alone will do all the work for them, raking in piles of cash. It was at one point, then SoE started pissing in our Stim Packs.
I don't personally think Raph is a Jesus but, SWG would need 10's of millions in marketing (including a free year subscription for all its ex-customers), development (starting from the pre-CU and then expanding and fixing that design a lot: smuggling, hutt faction, JTL content, Cap ships, ect), and customer support staff in order for this to ever equal WoW.
The name SWG has become synonomus with failure, lack of vision, and bad service. To change that, a lot of BIG steps need to happen.
--When you resubscribe to SWG, an 18 yearold Stripper finds Jesus, gives up stripping, and moves with a rolex reverend to Hawaii.
--In MMORPG's l007 is the opiate of the masses.
--The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence!
--CCP could cut off an Eve player's fun bits, and that player would say that it was good CCP did that.
I don't personally think Raph is a Jesus but, SWG would need 10's of millions in marketing (including a free year subscription for all its ex-customers), development (starting from the pre-CU and then expanding and fixing that design a lot: smuggling, hutt faction, JTL content, Cap ships, ect), and customer support staff in order for this to ever equal WoW.
The name SWG has become synonomus with failure, lack of vision, and bad service. To change that, a lot of BIG steps need to happen.
The irony here is, the original developers created something that exceeded the mere game. Departing from that vision is what caused so much trouble.
And think about it. Raph is the one person that has departed the project after launch (including other original designers), all of which eventually left the company itself.
Did the game suddenly explode?
So why blame him. And no, he's no Jesus, but is one of the few people from big name projects that speaks openly about more than just press releases. In my book, that's worth a lot given the industry as a whole.
Even if you consider his opinions completely wrong, at least you know them. Isn't that worth a lot more than all the guesswork that goes on here?
I agree with what you are saying and read his blog from time to time (has some good info and interesting topics).
And I do not blame Raph for the failure of SWG. I blame the whole corporate culture that constructed that game. It is obvious that there are some systematic failings in SWG. The rushed development, the bad customer service, the reactionary development, ect.. This has gone on in all the diffrent incarnations of the game.
--When you resubscribe to SWG, an 18 yearold Stripper finds Jesus, gives up stripping, and moves with a rolex reverend to Hawaii.
--In MMORPG's l007 is the opiate of the masses.
--The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence!
--CCP could cut off an Eve player's fun bits, and that player would say that it was good CCP did that.
Why doesn't Ralph stop talking, pull his finger out and create this fantastic mmorpg of his own? I mean he talks about everything he knows but doesnt use it :S
Until he does that i dont care for much of what he says
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--When you resubscribe to SWG, an 18 yearold Stripper finds Jesus, gives up stripping, and moves with a rolex reverend to Hawaii.
--In MMORPG's l007 is the opiate of the masses.
--The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence!
--CCP could cut off an Eve player's fun bits, and that player would say that it was good CCP did that.
SWG will never have that, therefore lacking the core mechanism to rival that.
And if you bothered to look at the article, you'd see that there were some interesting people involved, I just happened to have found this in Raph's blog.
I dont look at his site anymore. The mention of it and him alone in your OP is enough to net my cocky post.
Although from what ive read in your post I will agree. SWG will never have what WoW has because of the time and money issue. SoE refuses to SPEND money on Star Wars because they believe the name alone will do all the work for them, raking in piles of cash. It was at one point, then SoE started pissing in our Stim Packs.
Just out of curiosity, what is your problem with Koster?
Its not the man its the mission. My problem is he talks and talks and talks, about the past, how things should have been done, what should have been done, what didnt get done, and what wont get done, yet hes the one who bailed out on the game at the early stages of Live. If he really cared this much about it then he would have sucked it up, been a man about it, and let those dumbasses at SoE know what needed to be done for that game to be even better than it was. Instead he just left SoE, why nobody really knows except him.
The difference between him talking shit and us talking shit, is we cant do anything about the game. We cant get hired at SoE and change things, we cant buy the company out or get the rights to it or anything like that, we are, and have been helpless. Raph on the other hand once had the ability to shape that game, but he lost it. We pine over the loss of a great game and a 2nd life. Raph pretends to pine over a lost job.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
Youre talking about Raph Koster. The man created Ultima Online and played a huge role in the creation of SWG. Money and the ability to use it wouldnt be a problem if there were companies out there that wanted his "ability". Unfortunately the MMO world is full of linear gameplay douchebags that want the customers to cap their level ASAP so they can waste time raiding then spend $30-50 on an "expansion".
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
Both models are great.
But if you are trying to turn your Mercedes into some family mini-wan while it's running on the full speed by the highway... you're going to meet bad results.
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I am the flipside of the coin on which the troll and the fanboy are but one side.
Just have to say that Wow can be fun and is fun to some extent. But it's not innovative enough. Basically all people do is try out different games when that gets old they go back to wow because they know that it has some fun in it, might not be the perfect game but when another game fails to win them over they go back to thier wow security blanket for a while til the next game comes out. That is why it's so popular it's not the best at anything just over all better then other games. And star wars will never achieve that status with the current devs and i don't really care if star wars had 6 million subscribers just want pre-cu back with the old population numbers that was plenty fun enough for me.
Although from what ive read in your post I will agree. SWG will never have what WoW has because of the time and money issue. SoE refuses to SPEND money on Star Wars because they believe the name alone will do all the work for them, raking in piles of cash. It was at one point, then SoE started pissing in our Stim Packs.
Just out of curiosity, what is your problem with Koster?
Its not the man its the mission. My problem is he talks and talks and talks, about the past, how things should have been done, what should have been done, what didnt get done, and what wont get done, yet hes the one who bailed out on the game at the early stages of Live. If he really cared this much about it then he would have sucked it up, been a man about it, and let those dumbasses at SoE know what needed to be done for that game to be even better than it was. Instead he just left SoE, why nobody really knows except him.
The difference between him talking shit and us talking shit, is we cant do anything about the game. We cant get hired at SoE and change things, we cant buy the company out or get the rights to it or anything like that, we are, and have been helpless. Raph on the other hand once had the ability to shape that game, but he lost it. We pine over the loss of a great game and a 2nd life. Raph pretends to pine over a lost job.
Hmm...ok, I see your points and they are valid. I wonder though, do we know that he left SWG or was he removed? Or were his decisions overidden? I certainly dont know, but thought some of you might have heard.
In regards to him posting his opinions now though, I have never had a problem with people speaking their mind, regardless of what context it was in or how it might have differed from my own.
"The man who exchanges Liberty for Iconic classes is a fool deserving of neither." - Me and Ben Franklin