Wow= has alot of eye candy feels like a console game at times and thats where the matury level stops the game is played by alot of younger players many not all of them are just a buinch of immature little turds....Theres alot of "new" concepts that wow has that has borrowed from other games is not a bad thing but i wouldnt call it groundbreaking.
Once you get to 60, you either level another alt, or join a raiding guild that raids 3-5 hours a night every night...so after a while the game will feel like a job.The burning crusade is coming out..Tseric was quoted that the grind from 60-70 will be just as long as it took from 1-60...many folks voiced their displeasure and he basically told em Blizzard did not want folks flying itno lvl 70 and doing the end content in such a short period of time.
Thats hog wash if you know how long it takes to 60...easier for some classes harder for others but is not bad..so double that if you start from lvl1-70.
The game is design so YOU HAVE to play longger to be able to compete..you want the rare recipes go kill timbermaws for an eternity..you want mageblood potions..go rung ZG over and over so everyting you do requires times...You want to be able to make armor do the thorium brotherhood grind fest..now thats insane google it you will see. BLizzard is about making money plain and simple the longer you grind the longer youre a paying customer.
The ONLY 2 viable crafting paths are either an alchemist which am fond of and engineer for pvp..others are joke you can sell the mats that takes to make items and still make more money than actually making the item you want to sell.
Mythic needs to be more aggresive and redo the UI, and the character animation before releasing any more expansion packs.
I played wow closed to 2 years..and I reactivated my account and came back to DAOC, I left 5 lvl 60 crafters, and 60 mage with an epic mount, and full epic armor, thats how sick I am of thier grind fest..and end game content.
everything WoW has, DAoC does better. WoW is just...newer.
If WoW was named something else, a lot less people would be playing it. Slap 'Warcraft' in the title and BAM! a zerg of snot-nosed leetdoods will join your subscription base. This is a good thing however, because it keeps that kind of trash out of DAoC.
Nothing beats DAoC PvP (or RvR, as it's officially called). If PvP is all you want, there's Mordred. Gain levels for PvP. If it's a mix you want, there are Classic and ToA servers. Gain added skills and abilities by engaging in PvP. If it's PvE you want, there's Gaheris. When people try to compare WoW PvE to DAoC PvE, they should take a look at Gaheris first. Explore the whole game and all 3 realms with one character. Oh, and if you want PvP on Gaheris, you can /duel anyone without much fuss.
Originally posted by Seleukos WOW is really fun until you realize its all sugar coating with no substance. At least not in comparison with many other MMOs.
I completely agree! Couldn't have said it better myself! It's sooo boring after you play it for a small amount of time becuase there's nothing exciting about it. I would pick DAOC over WoW if I were you.
DAoC is a better game overall. Its true though that it is aging rapidly. However there are other options besides WoW. Having an over-populated game isn't everything.
I have to agree with most people here. If you just want the population then go with WoW, however if you want to actually enjoy your game go with DAoC. You can still easily get groups and have fun in DAoC with other people, you just need to make sure to get into a guild that has more than 3 people in it.
I have played both games. I played DAoC for 4 years before quiting (just didnt want to go through leveling up in another realm, and I had pretty much done everything I could on my main server including leveling a few lv 50s, and an LGM crafter for all 6 crafts, once I had over 100 plat and nothing to spend it on anymore I got bored, lol) I played WoW for a few months and was frustrated with the community (half are rude and the half that arent are in nice guilds and avoid almost everyone else because they are rude) and I was just plain bored. Right now I am just waiting for LOTRO to come out.
Oh and a side note, 6 mill people do not play wow, that is how many accounts have been created, not currently play. (subtract how many people have multiple accounts and how many people just gave up on the game, and that is how many people play)
Should I pick DAOC OR WOW?!? NOW LISTEN! I want a mmo that will last for a LONG TIME. I want it to be fun, and have alot of people. How many people play daoc?!? I mean, I like the fact that around 6 mill play WoW. And dont just say. OMG PICK DAOC becuase you hate that wow is addicting! Please ^__^ THANKS!
Hah, no offense but the way you wrote your post I think you def. belong in WoW.
But stereotypes aside DAOC is a dated great game, WoW is all eye candy and not unique.
Should I pick DAOC OR WOW?!? NOW LISTEN! I want a mmo that will last for a LONG TIME. I want it to be fun, and have alot of people. How many people play daoc?!? I mean, I like the fact that around 6 mill play WoW. And dont just say. OMG PICK DAOC becuase you hate that wow is addicting! Please ^__^ THANKS!
As a Long time player of DAoC i can honestly say. DAoC was a great game in its day. But that day has long since passed away. Pre TOA and NF the RvR rocked. Now its a joke. Your better off going with WoW. WoWs new PvP is great I love Arathi. WoWs engine, interface, crafting. questing system, and PvP is of a much better quality. Not to mention with WoW you will find tons of people to do things with as DAoC has become a baren wasteland with the majority of remaining players are uber 3lit3st who are verry unfriendly to newer players.
Not to mention with WoW you will find tons of people to do things with as DAoC has become a baren wasteland with the majority of remaining players are uber 3lit3st who are verry unfriendly to newer players.
And WoW has such the great community, right? I must be seeing things when I see new people invited to guilds, given items, given money, grouped with, powerleveled, etc in DAOC.
If you want:
High level raid grinding
Winning in PvP determined soley by items which require grinding
Waiting to PvP
A worthless honor system
No impact or changes in the world
The max level being raised
No new inovations to the genre
Then go with WoW. If not then you are better off in another game whether it is DAOC or not.
Not to mention with WoW you will find tons of people to do things with as DAoC has become a baren wasteland with the majority of remaining players are uber 3lit3st who are verry unfriendly to newer players.
And WoW has such the great community, right? I must be seeing things when I see new people invited to guilds, given items, given money, grouped with, powerleveled, etc in DAOC.
If you want:
High level raid grinding
Winning in PvP determined soley by items which require grinding
Waiting to PvP
A worthless honor system
No impact or changes in the world
The max level being raised
No new inovations to the genre
Then go with WoW. If not then you are better off in another game whether it is DAOC or not.
I don't say any of the things I have to say lightly I played DAoC for five years. The first couple of years were great. The OP asked for an opinion as to wich would be better to play and I am giving my opinion as to wich of thease two games they would be more apt to enjoy and have fun and have people to have fun with. You brought up several good points and ill give my opinions on those.
Actualy WoW dose have a broad community it has a LARGE player base. The reason it is so successfull is beacause its actualy fun to play . At first Ill admit I did not like WoW and I went back to DAoC Until a few months ago. And after watching the game decline and Mythic do nothing but make the game worse and worse and fail to bring the game more up to par with modern games I finaly left in disgust. Now I am playing WoW they have made some changes to the PvP recently and I am enjoying the game. I am Also playing Eve-Online wich has such a better PvP system over DAoC its remarkable. But the OP asked about DAoC vs WoW so ill get back on topic.
I didn't say there werent nice friendly people still playing DAoC there just a minority and every time a new person is lucky enough to get in a pug for pve or RvR if they dont spec and play cookie cutter there going to get reamed every time they turn around.
If it were a fun populated game people wouldnt need to be power leveled. The only reason there is a need for such things because leveling is not fun its boaring and tedious not to mention there are few people to level with.
As far as high level raid grinding gos if you play on a TOA server your going to have to spend a lot of time getting those ML's(good luck finding enough people to do them with) and spend a lot of time either farming scrolls or farming the cash to buy them with for those uber artifacts with the Iwin buttons. And then have to level the artifacts. Even if you play on a classic server to get that good template your going to have farm the high end instances over n over to get thos items to make that best template. God help you when you have to pay that high repair bill on your artis and champ weapons (WoW PvP your items dont take damage only in PvE)and on either server type have to do your champion levels and get champ level xp.
Ill take 10 more levels being added t o a game over 10 master levels 13 Realm ranks 10 champ levels and artifacts any day of the year. Your going to suck with out any of those even if you are 50 your going to definately suck below RR5 as when you obtain it you in essencce become level 51. The Realm Vs Realm aspect of the game left town on a bus some time ago its all about about the 8 man now. And even 8man can be cumbersome running all over the huge mostly empty NF. Of course your going to need time to let your Iwin buttons have time to build up so you can button dump on your next fight. PvP in DAoC has been reduced to run around till you find a fight. When you find a fight its all about hit your /assist macro you made dump your buttons and let your casters in group nuke everyone down in a few seconds. Hardly anyone fights for there realms any more relic raids are rare and good luck finding people who want to go out and defend there realm there most likely logging on there alts on the oposing realm with in the cluster so they can be on the winning side on thos rare Ocassions when Actual RvR happens.
And if you want to become a crafter in DAoC you better have the patience of a monk because your in for a long tedious unrewarding journey.
In WoW you have a variety of PvP options you can go to one Battle Ground and fight for flags(meh never got this one my self never cared for it) Or you can go to the arena and face another group as 5v5 3v3 2v2 or you can go to Arathi(wich I love by the way) and fight for teritory fight to take it fight to defend and fight to take the enemys territory its fast paced and yes reminds me much of RvR in Old frontiers in DAoC. ALL be it a much faster pace. Win or loose your going to get something out of it all be it winners get a bit more. Every trip you make your going to get a reward wich you can use to buy your uber armor. So weather your hard core or casual eventualy your going to get it. On average 1 to 8 minutes is the time I have spent waiting to get in. Since they changed it to where the BG's are filled from all the servers now it dosnt take long. You also have an option now to go in with a premade group in stead of being thrown in one at random.
The only impact your going to have in DAoC is a relic count. Wich with clustering and the decline in people looking to RvR and everyone going to 8man is pretty much useles.
No new inovations? Oh you mean WoW's not throwing in a new over powered class with there next expansion? If anyone needs to do some Inovating its DAoC. Like maybe fix that bloated monster they use for a gaming engine? Or redo that oudated monstrosity they have for a user interface? Maybe fix some of the hundreds of bugs there allways putting off and usaly takes 3 years to admit to let alone fix? Maybe redo there horrible crafting system? just to name a few. WoW has a great crafting system a great gaming engine thats looks great and will run on an older machine no problem. A great Interface. There PvP sucked in the begenning but the changes they have made have gone a long way to making it a great PvP game.
I stand by my previous post if choosing between WoW or DAoC there going to have more fun with WoW.
If it were a fun populated game people wouldnt need to be power leveled. The only reason there is a need for such things because leveling is not fun its boaring and tedious not to mention there are few people to level with.
As far as high level raid grinding gos if you play on a TOA server your going to have to spend a lot of time getting those ML's(good luck finding enough people to do them with) and spend a lot of time either farming scrolls or farming the cash to buy them with for those uber artifacts with the Iwin buttons. And then have to level the artifacts. Even if you play on a classic server to get that good template your going to have farm the high end instances over n over to get thos items to make that best template. God help you when you have to pay that high repair bill on your artis and champ weapons (WoW PvP your items dont take damage only in PvE)and on either server type have to do your champion levels and get champ level xp.
You must not have played in a long time, or you play at 4 am in the morning. I made it to level 24 in seveon hours played and this is wihtout being powerlevled. I could probably make it to level 50 in 48 hours without being powerlevled. The battlegrounds are decently populated starting at level 20 and you can have a lot of fun until level 50 doing do. You can earn RR5 before you even get to level 50 and NF. Doing ML is easy. In a given month there are ML raids from 1-10 at least twice. There are 4-8 artifacts raids going on per month. Most of the artifacts can be done solo/group. Scrolls are easy to get anymore. If not you can purchase them for a few gold for most of them. By the time you are 50 you will have at least 6 plat anyway and that is without farming.
You earn Champ levels from doing anything in the game. So those are easy enough. The benefits they give you are minor and almost never will they be the deciding factor in RvR.
There is only 1 instance that people "farm" and that is Darkspire. It is only 1 group. This is why people might want to join a guild. But the benefits of those items, while nice, are not uber items. You can have 99% armor spellcrafted, and but omni procs on all of the pieces and do just fine. Unlike in WoW were you need to farm 40 man instances over and over for items. Also, the best items are done by the honor system so new players get the shit beat out of them.
In my experience those that complain about the "Iwin" buttons are those that want to do 8 vs 8. DAOC was not designed for that and I would suggest that people wanting that should play a FPS or Guild Wars. Neither require a subscription and will give people a better play experience for that. If you travel with large groups and you run into large groups then battles will last a long time. Albs camped the stairs in the Lab and I was fighting them for 90+ minutes. I only died 3 times. I was in a long battle where I did not die once taking the Thid CK. I say that took about an hour.
And if you want to become a crafter in DAoC you better have the patience of a monk because your in for a long tedious unrewarding journey.
How is the ability to make items more powerful than any crap you have to raid for for 3 years with your own hands and then sell it so another player can use unrewarding ? At what point could you list useful WoW crafting gear recipies on 2 hands ?
In WoW you have a variety of PvP options you can go to one Battle Ground and fight for flags(meh never got this one my self never cared for it) Or you can go to the arena and face another group as 5v5 3v3 2v2 or you can go to Arathi(wich I love by the way) and fight for teritory fight to take it fight to defend and fight to take the enemys territory its fast paced and yes reminds me much of RvR in Old frontiers in DAoC. ALL be it a much faster pace. Win or loose your going to get something out of it all be it winners get a bit more. Every trip you make your going to get a reward wich you can use to buy your uber armor. So weather your hard core or casual eventualy your going to get it. On average 1 to 8 minutes is the time I have spent waiting to get in. Since they changed it to where the BG's are filled from all the servers now it dosnt take long. You also have an option now to go in with a premade group in stead of being thrown in one at random.
Yay for WoW variety - after running capture the flag for 2 years in Wow - I got to a Rank of 11 so I can talk. The variety of 1 l33t tank + 2 l33t healers about sums it up. Slight variation with a druid running the flag or the warrior - same crap different pile. The rewards are worthless and add no depth or individality to the otherwise cookie-cutter "me-too" World of Warcraft.
Should I pick DAOC OR WOW?!? NOW LISTEN! I want a mmo that will last for a LONG TIME. I want it to be fun, and have alot of people. How many people play daoc?!? I mean, I like the fact that around 6 mill play WoW. And dont just say. OMG PICK DAOC becuase you hate that wow is addicting! Please ^__^ THANKS!
judging from your post, i'd have to say that Hello Kitty: Island Adventure is what you seek. otherwise, if you're in for carebear *fun*, go with wow. HK:IA has more pvp action than wow, but nowhere near the pvp that DAOC has.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
I dunno, just took a look at the AOC forums, and I see no evidence that the game is in open public beta. Still seems to be in closed beta for only developers and invited testers.
Also...no one is really posting anything about the beta being bad (which would be expected if its still in closed beta and under NDM)
But regardless, most of us haven't had a chance to play AOC in any form...so no telling how it is yet. But I'm willing to give any game a shot....
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AoC and WAR are the only two PvP centric games coming out that have a chance of being a better experience than DAOC. AoC, so far, seems more like Shadobane with guilds fighting each other for towns in certain zones. WAR is like DAOC but with an option to "win." It is also using instancing for a significant portion of PvP in an attempt to appeal to all types of PvP players. Both of these titles I have concerns over but both should be better than WoW and perhaps DAOC.
Well now is the chance for me to laugh at myself - I had Archlord in mind when I posted that. My bad entirely - I have no clue what Age of Conan is like although shadowlame still makes me shudder
It is like Shadowbane in the sense that is is guild warfare. Guilds can go to border areas and clear out mobs and then secure resources. They can then start to build towns. The towns propser depending on trade and the resources it has available. You can buil up city defense and hire guards. Guilds will lay siege to each others towns to capture or simply pillage and destroy to the ground.
There will still be plenty of safe PvE spots to level and quest in.
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Wow= has alot of eye candy feels like a console game at times and thats where the matury level stops the game is played by alot of younger players many not all of them are just a buinch of immature little turds....Theres alot of "new" concepts that wow has that has borrowed from other games is not a bad thing but i wouldnt call it groundbreaking.
Once you get to 60, you either level another alt, or join a raiding guild that raids 3-5 hours a night every night...so after a while the game will feel like a job.The burning crusade is coming out..Tseric was quoted that the grind from 60-70 will be just as long as it took from 1-60...many folks voiced their displeasure and he basically told em Blizzard did not want folks flying itno lvl 70 and doing the end content in such a short period of time.
Thats hog wash if you know how long it takes to 60...easier for some classes harder for others but is not bad..so double that if you start from lvl1-70.
The game is design so YOU HAVE to play longger to be able to compete..you want the rare recipes go kill timbermaws for an eternity..you want mageblood potions..go rung ZG over and over so everyting you do requires times...You want to be able to make armor do the thorium brotherhood grind fest..now thats insane google it you will see. BLizzard is about making money plain and simple the longer you grind the longer youre a paying customer.
The ONLY 2 viable crafting paths are either an alchemist which am fond of and engineer for pvp..others are joke you can sell the mats that takes to make items and still make more money than actually making the item you want to sell.
Mythic needs to be more aggresive and redo the UI, and the character animation before releasing any more expansion packs.
I played wow closed to 2 years..and I reactivated my account and came back to DAOC, I left 5 lvl 60 crafters, and 60 mage with an epic mount, and full epic armor, thats how sick I am of thier grind fest..and end game content.
everything WoW has, DAoC does better. WoW is just...newer.
If WoW was named something else, a lot less people would be playing it. Slap 'Warcraft' in the title and BAM! a zerg of snot-nosed leetdoods will join your subscription base. This is a good thing however, because it keeps that kind of trash out of DAoC.
Nothing beats DAoC PvP (or RvR, as it's officially called).
If PvP is all you want, there's Mordred. Gain levels for PvP.
If it's a mix you want, there are Classic and ToA servers. Gain added skills and abilities by engaging in PvP.
If it's PvE you want, there's Gaheris. When people try to compare WoW PvE to DAoC PvE, they should take a look at Gaheris first. Explore the whole game and all 3 realms with one character.
Oh, and if you want PvP on Gaheris, you can /duel anyone without much fuss.
I have to agree with most people here. If you just want the population then go with WoW, however if you want to actually enjoy your game go with DAoC. You can still easily get groups and have fun in DAoC with other people, you just need to make sure to get into a guild that has more than 3 people in it.
I have played both games. I played DAoC for 4 years before quiting (just didnt want to go through leveling up in another realm, and I had pretty much done everything I could on my main server including leveling a few lv 50s, and an LGM crafter for all 6 crafts, once I had over 100 plat and nothing to spend it on anymore I got bored, lol) I played WoW for a few months and was frustrated with the community (half are rude and the half that arent are in nice guilds and avoid almost everyone else because they are rude) and I was just plain bored. Right now I am just waiting for LOTRO to come out.
Oh and a side note, 6 mill people do not play wow, that is how many accounts have been created, not currently play. (subtract how many people have multiple accounts and how many people just gave up on the game, and that is how many people play)
If you want a game that takes some work to become good, then get DAoC.
Looking for something new.
There are some pretty good MMOs that are due to come out, I'd wait and see if anything better than WoW is around...
WoW is fun, but you stated you wanted something that "lasts". Wait for Huxley/AoC/Warhammer, see what kind of reviews they get :P
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Hah, no offense but the way you wrote your post I think you def. belong in WoW.
But stereotypes aside DAOC is a dated great game, WoW is all eye candy and not unique.
I'm waiting for Vanguard.
DAOC - today, tommorrow and for the next 13 months until Warhammer is up and going
BTW :: Thanks for deleting my previous post - wth was wrong with it ?
FUNCOM - putting the FUN in disFUNctional !
It is pathos we lack, and this lack of pathos makes the worlds we explore quite stale.
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FUNCOM - putting the FUN in disFUNctional !
As a Long time player of DAoC i can honestly say. DAoC was a great game in its day. But that day has long since passed away. Pre TOA and NF the RvR rocked. Now its a joke. Your better off going with WoW. WoWs new PvP is great I love Arathi. WoWs engine, interface, crafting. questing system, and PvP is of a much better quality. Not to mention with WoW you will find tons of people to do things with as DAoC has become a baren wasteland with the majority of remaining players are uber 3lit3st who are verry unfriendly to newer players.
And WoW has such the great community, right? I must be seeing things when I see new people invited to guilds, given items, given money, grouped with, powerleveled, etc in DAOC.
If you want:
High level raid grinding
Winning in PvP determined soley by items which require grinding
Waiting to PvP
A worthless honor system
No impact or changes in the world
The max level being raised
No new inovations to the genre
Then go with WoW. If not then you are better off in another game whether it is DAOC or not.
And WoW has such the great community, right? I must be seeing things when I see new people invited to guilds, given items, given money, grouped with, powerleveled, etc in DAOC.
If you want:
High level raid grinding
Winning in PvP determined soley by items which require grinding
Waiting to PvP
A worthless honor system
No impact or changes in the world
The max level being raised
No new inovations to the genre
Then go with WoW. If not then you are better off in another game whether it is DAOC or not.
I don't say any of the things I have to say lightly I played DAoC for five years. The first couple of years were great. The OP asked for an opinion as to wich would be better to play and I am giving my opinion as to wich of thease two games they would be more apt to enjoy and have fun and have people to have fun with. You brought up several good points and ill give my opinions on those.
Actualy WoW dose have a broad community it has a LARGE player base. The reason it is so successfull is beacause its actualy fun to play . At first Ill admit I did not like WoW and I went back to DAoC Until a few months ago. And after watching the game decline and Mythic do nothing but make the game worse and worse and fail to bring the game more up to par with modern games I finaly left in disgust. Now I am playing WoW they have made some changes to the PvP recently and I am enjoying the game. I am Also playing Eve-Online wich has such a better PvP system over DAoC its remarkable. But the OP asked about DAoC vs WoW so ill get back on topic.
I didn't say there werent nice friendly people still playing DAoC there just a minority and every time a new person is lucky enough to get in a pug for pve or RvR if they dont spec and play cookie cutter there going to get reamed every time they turn around.
If it were a fun populated game people wouldnt need to be power leveled. The only reason there is a need for such things because leveling is not fun its boaring and tedious not to mention there are few people to level with.
As far as high level raid grinding gos if you play on a TOA server your going to have to spend a lot of time getting those ML's(good luck finding enough people to do them with) and spend a lot of time either farming scrolls or farming the cash to buy them with for those uber artifacts with the Iwin buttons. And then have to level the artifacts. Even if you play on a classic server to get that good template your going to have farm the high end instances over n over to get thos items to make that best template. God help you when you have to pay that high repair bill on your artis and champ weapons (WoW PvP your items dont take damage only in PvE)and on either server type have to do your champion levels and get champ level xp.
Ill take 10 more levels being added t o a game over 10 master levels 13 Realm ranks 10 champ levels and artifacts any day of the year. Your going to suck with out any of those even if you are 50 your going to definately suck below RR5 as when you obtain it you in essencce become level 51. The Realm Vs Realm aspect of the game left town on a bus some time ago its all about about the 8 man now. And even 8man can be cumbersome running all over the huge mostly empty NF. Of course your going to need time to let your Iwin buttons have time to build up so you can button dump on your next fight. PvP in DAoC has been reduced to run around till you find a fight. When you find a fight its all about hit your /assist macro you made dump your buttons and let your casters in group nuke everyone down in a few seconds. Hardly anyone fights for there realms any more relic raids are rare and good luck finding people who want to go out and defend there realm there most likely logging on there alts on the oposing realm with in the cluster so they can be on the winning side on thos rare Ocassions when Actual RvR happens.
And if you want to become a crafter in DAoC you better have the patience of a monk because your in for a long tedious unrewarding journey.
In WoW you have a variety of PvP options you can go to one Battle Ground and fight for flags(meh never got this one my self never cared for it) Or you can go to the arena and face another group as 5v5 3v3 2v2 or you can go to Arathi(wich I love by the way) and fight for teritory fight to take it fight to defend and fight to take the enemys territory its fast paced and yes reminds me much of RvR in Old frontiers in DAoC. ALL be it a much faster pace. Win or loose your going to get something out of it all be it winners get a bit more. Every trip you make your going to get a reward wich you can use to buy your uber armor. So weather your hard core or casual eventualy your going to get it. On average 1 to 8 minutes is the time I have spent waiting to get in. Since they changed it to where the BG's are filled from all the servers now it dosnt take long. You also have an option now to go in with a premade group in stead of being thrown in one at random.
The only impact your going to have in DAoC is a relic count. Wich with clustering and the decline in people looking to RvR and everyone going to 8man is pretty much useles.
No new inovations? Oh you mean WoW's not throwing in a new over powered class with there next expansion? If anyone needs to do some Inovating its DAoC. Like maybe fix that bloated monster they use for a gaming engine? Or redo that oudated monstrosity they have for a user interface? Maybe fix some of the hundreds of bugs there allways putting off and usaly takes 3 years to admit to let alone fix? Maybe redo there horrible crafting system? just to name a few. WoW has a great crafting system a great gaming engine thats looks great and will run on an older machine no problem. A great Interface. There PvP sucked in the begenning but the changes they have made have gone a long way to making it a great PvP game.
I stand by my previous post if choosing between WoW or DAoC there going to have more fun with WoW.
If it were a fun populated game people wouldnt need to be power leveled. The only reason there is a need for such things because leveling is not fun its boaring and tedious not to mention there are few people to level with.
As far as high level raid grinding gos if you play on a TOA server your going to have to spend a lot of time getting those ML's(good luck finding enough people to do them with) and spend a lot of time either farming scrolls or farming the cash to buy them with for those uber artifacts with the Iwin buttons. And then have to level the artifacts. Even if you play on a classic server to get that good template your going to have farm the high end instances over n over to get thos items to make that best template. God help you when you have to pay that high repair bill on your artis and champ weapons (WoW PvP your items dont take damage only in PvE)and on either server type have to do your champion levels and get champ level xp.
You must not have played in a long time, or you play at 4 am in the morning. I made it to level 24 in seveon hours played and this is wihtout being powerlevled. I could probably make it to level 50 in 48 hours without being powerlevled. The battlegrounds are decently populated starting at level 20 and you can have a lot of fun until level 50 doing do. You can earn RR5 before you even get to level 50 and NF. Doing ML is easy. In a given month there are ML raids from 1-10 at least twice. There are 4-8 artifacts raids going on per month. Most of the artifacts can be done solo/group. Scrolls are easy to get anymore. If not you can purchase them for a few gold for most of them. By the time you are 50 you will have at least 6 plat anyway and that is without farming.
You earn Champ levels from doing anything in the game. So those are easy enough. The benefits they give you are minor and almost never will they be the deciding factor in RvR.
There is only 1 instance that people "farm" and that is Darkspire. It is only 1 group. This is why people might want to join a guild. But the benefits of those items, while nice, are not uber items. You can have 99% armor spellcrafted, and but omni procs on all of the pieces and do just fine. Unlike in WoW were you need to farm 40 man instances over and over for items. Also, the best items are done by the honor system so new players get the shit beat out of them.
In my experience those that complain about the "Iwin" buttons are those that want to do 8 vs 8. DAOC was not designed for that and I would suggest that people wanting that should play a FPS or Guild Wars. Neither require a subscription and will give people a better play experience for that. If you travel with large groups and you run into large groups then battles will last a long time. Albs camped the stairs in the Lab and I was fighting them for 90+ minutes. I only died 3 times. I was in a long battle where I did not die once taking the Thid CK. I say that took about an hour.
And if you want to become a crafter in DAoC you better have the patience of a monk because your in for a long tedious unrewarding journey.
How is the ability to make items more powerful than any crap you have to raid for for 3 years with your own hands and then sell it so another player can use unrewarding ? At what point could you list useful WoW crafting gear recipies on 2 hands ?
In WoW you have a variety of PvP options you can go to one Battle Ground and fight for flags(meh never got this one my self never cared for it) Or you can go to the arena and face another group as 5v5 3v3 2v2 or you can go to Arathi(wich I love by the way) and fight for teritory fight to take it fight to defend and fight to take the enemys territory its fast paced and yes reminds me much of RvR in Old frontiers in DAoC. ALL be it a much faster pace. Win or loose your going to get something out of it all be it winners get a bit more. Every trip you make your going to get a reward wich you can use to buy your uber armor. So weather your hard core or casual eventualy your going to get it. On average 1 to 8 minutes is the time I have spent waiting to get in. Since they changed it to where the BG's are filled from all the servers now it dosnt take long. You also have an option now to go in with a premade group in stead of being thrown in one at random.
Yay for WoW variety - after running capture the flag for 2 years in Wow - I got to a Rank of 11 so I can talk. The variety of 1 l33t tank + 2 l33t healers about sums it up. Slight variation with a druid running the flag or the warrior - same crap different pile. The rewards are worthless and add no depth or individality to the otherwise cookie-cutter "me-too" World of Warcraft.
FUNCOM - putting the FUN in disFUNctional !
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
is that game in retail yet? if not...
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
FUNCOM - putting the FUN in disFUNctional !
I dunno, just took a look at the AOC forums, and I see no evidence that the game is in open public beta. Still seems to be in closed beta for only developers and invited testers.
Also...no one is really posting anything about the beta being bad (which would be expected if its still in closed beta and under NDM)
But regardless, most of us haven't had a chance to play AOC in any form...so no telling how it is yet. But I'm willing to give any game a shot....
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There will still be plenty of safe PvE spots to level and quest in.
Well after getting lag farmed then summonned to the bottom of the ocean to die and watch my guild's town ravaged by lvl 999 demons I quit.
Wolfpack had no business making games - and subsequently anything that reminds me of shadowlame is repulsive.
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