Originally posted by fizzle322 War is Economic/Industrial/Military/Political.
You make deals, you build stuff, you form alliances, you make friends, you make enemies, you crush enemies, you help your friends, you hire mercenaries, you buy blueprints, you transport them to where you build your ships, you sell surplus merchandise to finance the war effort, you sell discount to allies, you mine, you trade, you haul your cargo, you put implants in your head, you get a jump clone, you conquer the universe, you get kicked out of 0.0, you find yourself in a rookieship, you rebuild your empire, you take revenge, you camp, you gank, you ambush, you farm 5/10 complexes for more money, you buy another set of implants, you mine Omber for 9 hours straight, you read the Eve boards on your laptop while taking a shit, you Roleplay with Ushra'Khan and CVA, you surf porn while waiting for your Freighter to dock, you vow to hire some other shmuck to move your goods next time, you shop around for a better corp or a better alliance, you make more friends, you create your own corp, you hire newbs, you pay them slave wages to mine, you drive your enemies before you, you crush them and laugh as you hear the screaming of their women, you yell YARRR as you slap the living dogshit out of some miner in his first Osprey mining in .4, you make your first FRAPS movie starring yourself, you get teamspeak and get to talk to other psychos like yourself from all over the planet, you find out that the person who owned you last week is a middle age mortgage banker from England, you got owned by an old guy who wathces golf in his underwear.
And while all this shit is going on, your skills are training.
Don't worry about the skills. Worry about the other shit.
Originally posted by holythough Originally posted by Stumpy26 /me takes a deep breath Oh for crying in a bucket if you dont like a game dont play it!!! I fail to grasp why people start such stupid bashing threads. I dont like world of dumbcraft either but I dont start stupid threads like this. thankyou for wasting 4 minutes of my time
Your welcome I like the game and i played it a long time i still think any PvP game should make it possible to compete with long time players after a reasonable amount of time
My account has a whopping 3.5 months of retail I am flying in a Battlecruiser, fully tanked out with some Tech2 gear.
I can, and have, killed 3 year vets, in combat. (And even did that when I was still in my Cruisers) I am often asked to fly cover for corp mining ops though for those I actually prefer to hop in my osprey and help mine the ore so I can do soemthing beyond scan endlessly for a badguy that rarely shows up.
What was that about not being able to compete with 'long time players'? in a reasonable ammount of time?
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Originally posted by fizzle322 Originally posted by holythough Open PvP ??? sorry to my information 0.5 till 1.0 system you get shot on site if you attack another player and there .1 till .4 you have conseqeunces also open PvP means you can kill everybody anywhere in every fasion you see fitt i don't consider EvE an open PvP game ====== You can kill ppl in 1.0 and rob them too.
Treu but it will be hard with concorde around and the conseqeunce are pretty drastic. i still not considering this an reall open PvP concept although it's pretty close
Which conseqeunces are you talking about ?? So you have a clone that remembers everything and you have your ship lined up 5 thimes in case you get shot big deal conseqeunce are only big if you don't have the time to collect descent isk. The only reall conseqeunce death has you have in EvE is that your spending another 2 to 4 hours refitting the next spaceship. Whoot reall fun there :P I'm not sure why it would take you 2-4 hours to refit a ship. The consequence is, you lose your ship. :-P treu no argument there, just that i almost always had so much isk around to only reall conseqeunce was buying and refitting my new ship. Still your right pretty hard conseqeunce in todays standards of mmorpg's
So you wait for months although you pay 15$ a month for it ??? this is just the fact why i find EvE a scam it's not a feature you have no infleunce whatsoever on the speed you learn its a SCAM to keep you playing longer and you fell for it Don't wait months. Get level 1 of what you want to use and go use it. Keep training while you use it. You canl make yourself useful very quickly if you work as part of a TEAM. Most really "need" skill take a preqeustion skill that needed either lvl3 or even 5 so loads of time there of waiting
It could entertain me if by a remote change i would get on a competitve level in a reasonable amount of time but as i said before you can't really infleunce the learning time so old time players stay at a advantage no way your ever going to get on a competitve level with other players if you start now Everybody started off a newb just like you. They didn't train offline for 3 years and one day login to push the "I Win" button. There is no "I Win" button. Everybody starts off in a Rookieship just like you.
If anything joining late makes it easier, because you have the resources and experience of others to draw on, thats why you have every 2 month newbie driving a Raven.
Back when the game first started having a cruiser was like WHOOOOOA. Now people give away cruisers as gifts to newbs. Like here kid have a cruiser, have fun.
I got my first cruiser by mining fuckin Scordite for a week in a Bantam. If you would have trained for 3 years and start now everthing you would do would be way easier so that cruiser would take probably half the time. The cruiser was the only thing i ever had to get moeny for i got it 3 days after i got the skills for it. I think it will largly depend on how much you play and how smart you play. the cruiser was the only thing i ever needed to get money for in al other cases i had the money and was waiting on the skill
ELves and gnomes bore me anyway your point is ?
My point is that elves and gnomes are gay.ELves and gnomes bore me anyway your point is ?
My point is that elves and gnomes are gay. Elves are definatly gay but gnomes get don't even get laid so there just ugly :P I have learned it No you haven't. You think the objective is to fly around and BBQ people 1 on 1. No i just think i should get to a point where i stand a change even against an old time player. I just saying the PvP has not really anything to do with skill rather then how long you played the game and how that effects what you fit on your ship You think the guy with level 5 gunnery presses F1-F8, and the guy with level 4 gunnery loses. And you're complaining here because you're the guy with level 4 gunnery. So what happens if you have level 5 gunnery too? Its just luck right? Just rolling the dice, press F1-F8 and its Russian Roullette to see who wins. Thats what you think right? Wrong one skill doesn't make that much different but 6 months of skills usually really does. the gap does get a bit smaller the longer you play but it takes incredible amount of time to get to a really competitive set of skills. if you start now you won't get even close to a long time player for at least a year. only way to win is by teaming up and do the number thing(some tatics needed but there pretty basic and well discribed on the forums) So what meaning got iSK anymore if you have enough of it to buy the spaceship you still need 1 months of learning to go trough before you even can fly it ?????? There is enough content ........ if you don't play to much EvE. at some point ISK gets totally meaningless because you have too much of it and nothing intresting to spend it on. SO you say iSK is the content ???? then i say the content gets meaningless at some point unless you restrain yourself from playing too much
War is Economic/Industrial/Military/Political.
You make deals, you build stuff, you form alliances, you make friends, you make enemies, you crush enemies, you help your friends, you hire mercenaries, you buy blueprints, you transport them to where you build your ships, you sell surplus merchandise to finance the war effort, you sell discount to allies, you mine, you trade, you haul your cargo, you put implants in your head, you get a jump clone, you conquer the universe, you get kicked out of 0.0, you find yourself in a rookieship, you rebuild your empire, you take revenge, you camp, you gank, you ambush, you farm 5/10 complexes for more money, you buy another set of implants, you mine Omber for 9 hours straight, you read the Eve boards on your laptop while taking a shit, you Roleplay with Ushra'Khan and CVA, you surf porn while waiting for your Freighter to dock, you vow to hire some other shmuck to move your goods next time, you shop around for a better corp or a better alliance, you make more friends, you create your own corp, you hire newbs, you pay them slave wages to mine, you drive your enemies before you, you crush them and laugh as you hear the screaming of their women, you yell YARRR as you slap the living dogshit out of some miner in his first Osprey mining in .4, you make your first FRAPS movie starring yourself, you get teamspeak and get to talk to other psychos like yourself from all over the planet, you find out that the person who owned you last week is a middle age mortgage banker from England, you got owned by an old guy who wathces golf in his underwear.
And while all this shit is going on, your skills are training.
Don't worry about the skills. Worry about the other shit.Wrong one skill doesn't make that much different but 6 months of skills usually really does. the gap does get a bit smaller the longer you play but it takes incredible amount of time to get to a really competitive set of skills. if you start now you won't get even close to a long time player for at least a year. only way to win is by teaming up and do the number thing(some tatics needed but there pretty basic and well discribed on the forums) So what meaning got iSK anymore if you have enough of it to buy the spaceship you still need 1 months of learning to go trough before you even can fly it ?????? There is enough content ........ if you don't play to much EvE. at some point ISK gets totally meaningless because you have too much of it and nothing intresting to spend it on. SO you say iSK is the content ???? then i say the content gets meaningless at some point unless you restrain yourself from playing too much
War is Economic/Industrial/Military/Political.
You make deals, you build stuff, you form alliances, you make friends, you make enemies, you crush enemies, you help your friends, you hire mercenaries, you buy blueprints, you transport them to where you build your ships, you sell surplus merchandise to finance the war effort, you sell discount to allies, you mine, you trade, you haul your cargo, you put implants in your head, you get a jump clone, you conquer the universe, you get kicked out of 0.0, you find yourself in a rookieship, you rebuild your empire, you take revenge, you camp, you gank, you ambush, you farm 5/10 complexes for more money, you buy another set of implants, you mine Omber for 9 hours straight, you read the Eve boards on your laptop while taking a shit, you Roleplay with Ushra'Khan and CVA, you surf porn while waiting for your Freighter to dock, you vow to hire some other shmuck to move your goods next time, you shop around for a better corp or a better alliance, you make more friends, you create your own corp, you hire newbs, you pay them slave wages to mine, you drive your enemies before you, you crush them and laugh as you hear the screaming of their women, you yell YARRR as you slap the living dogshit out of some miner in his first Osprey mining in .4, you make your first FRAPS movie starring yourself, you get teamspeak and get to talk to other psychos like yourself from all over the planet, you find out that the person who owned you last week is a middle age mortgage banker from England, you got owned by an old guy who wathces golf in his underwear.
And while all this shit is going on, your skills are training.
Don't worry about the skills. Worry about the other shit. Well i geuss if your into porn downloading, slaving newbies to mine, speak with phychos and gank newbies on there first osprey mining and get owned by old guys in underwear EvE is your cup of thea this game should ROX your world. And i thoughed most EvE players where more intelligent then most mmorpg players. Sign another disallusion gone.
Originally posted by holythough Originally posted by Stumpy26 Originally posted by holythough Originally posted by Bigdavo I must say your right on the dead part just think it still was only ennoying because the only "conseqeunce" in general mend a lot of refitting withouth the exp lost it just doesn't feel as personall to me as it does in character based games
erm mate thats just when you lose a cheap ship. Try working for an agent to gain enough loyalty points for a Faction Battleship (youl be there at least 3 weeks to a month) and since the battleship costs 1.6 billion isk (CNR) you arent going to fit cheap modules. Then you lose the ship trust me that realy hurts!!! . Then you think OMFG 1 month of hard work just went down the drain
to ur post it is possable mate form a group of 4 - 6 cheap tech 1 frigs and u will easily pawn a very tough battleship just use good tactics
THey reall bitch is that i needed about months(dunno exact number anymore at least 2 months worth of training more skills) to train to fly a faction battleship already had about 7 billion isk at that time and so high faction i could get that battleship in under 2 weeks. But whats the point of all this waiting on skills ?
6 peeps defeating 1 isn't tatics. if it needed 6 people to bring down 1 person in a character based mmorpg everybody would scream NERF!!!! if you call that tatics you don't understand the meaning of the word tatic. Tatics are when you bring down a bigger number of people with a smaller number of people.
2 More months to fly a faction BS? WHY? if it's a CNR or a GNM then you don't need anything different to fly them than you do the normal version of the ship, if it's a machariel or one of the other pirate faction ships you need 2 races BS skills to 3 I believe to fly one. I'm sorry but that does NOT take 2 months of training. Unless you're one of the blahblahblah must have all skills at level 5 to compete blahblahblah morons.
My account has a whopping 3.5 months of retail I am flying in a Battlecruiser, fully tanked out with some Tech2 gear.
I can, and have, killed 3 year vets, in combat. (And even did that when I was still in my Cruisers) I am often asked to fly cover for corp mining ops though for those I actually prefer to hop in my osprey and help mine the ore so I can do soemthing beyond scan endlessly for a badguy that rarely shows up.
What was that about not being able to compete with 'long time players'? in a reasonable ammount of time?
Yeah treu i killed a few veterans myself. But not in a fair fight against a decent equipt PvP ships just vets that didn't have the isk anymore to descently fit there ships because they weren't playing actively anymore. The only thing that helps is that it's a econimical game so peeps have to stay active to a certain agree to be able to afford the stuff. I lost all fight against active PvPers with a decent company behind them. i only shot down a few loners. Maybe the battlecruiser helps i stopped playing shortly after they got released getting really ennoyed at another set of skills to train when i wasn't totally finished on getting the skills for battleship although i really wanted to fly the one i bought. It may be improved with some of the expansions i never played and the rant isn't totally justified because of new features. I think that red moon rising actaully did combat related stuff i have no idea how that turned out and if that makes it possible to kinda compete could. My old time EvE friends are not complaining anymore about not able to compete in PvP anymore there actaully kinda veterans thereselfs. And with all the new ships it might be able to have some paper rox scissor construction where particular set of ships actaully make a change against certain type of ships. I just think that the way skills are learned just takes freaking long.
Lol i sort of did it to myself a bit training the learning skills first before going onto the shipship skills, sure it cut down time on training all the skills but they took time to train aswell if i took that time to train on ships and combat i probably be more competitve in the begin but i figured i would be beter of in the long run
Originally posted by fizzle322 Originally posted by holythough And i thoughed most EvE players where more intelligent then most mmorpg players. --------We are.
We're just waiting for our MENSA certificates to arrive in the mail while we gank you.
Originally posted by Minsc Originally posted by holythough Originally posted by Stumpy26 Originally posted by holythough Originally posted by Bigdavo I must say your right on the dead part just think it still was only ennoying because the only "conseqeunce" in general mend a lot of refitting withouth the exp lost it just doesn't feel as personall to me as it does in character based games
erm mate thats just when you lose a cheap ship. Try working for an agent to gain enough loyalty points for a Faction Battleship (youl be there at least 3 weeks to a month) and since the battleship costs 1.6 billion isk (CNR) you arent going to fit cheap modules. Then you lose the ship trust me that realy hurts!!! . Then you think OMFG 1 month of hard work just went down the drain
to ur post it is possable mate form a group of 4 - 6 cheap tech 1 frigs and u will easily pawn a very tough battleship just use good tactics
THey reall bitch is that i needed about months(dunno exact number anymore at least 2 months worth of training more skills) to train to fly a faction battleship already had about 7 billion isk at that time and so high faction i could get that battleship in under 2 weeks. But whats the point of all this waiting on skills ?
6 peeps defeating 1 isn't tatics. if it needed 6 people to bring down 1 person in a character based mmorpg everybody would scream NERF!!!! if you call that tatics you don't understand the meaning of the word tatic. Tatics are when you bring down a bigger number of people with a smaller number of people.
2 More months to fly a faction BS? WHY? if it's a CNR or a GNM then you don't need anything different to fly them than you do the normal version of the ship, if it's a machariel or one of the other pirate faction ships you need 2 races BS skills to 3 I believe to fly one. I'm sorry but that does NOT take 2 months of training. Unless you're one of the blahblahblah must have all skills at level 5 to compete blahblahblah morons.
Lol sorry my mistake it was an battleship i was training for don't think faction battleship where even out at that time. ANd no not lvl 5 weps just tech 2 witht the battleship counted aswell. not sure though i just remember having the battleship already bought but not able to fly and equip ehm
I should admit with this i toke a long time training learning skills which kinda was stupid in the way i did it because it toke a long time the amount that i trained them
Originally posted by holythough Yeah treu i killed a few veterans myself. But not in a fair fight against a decent equipt PvP ships just vets that didn't have the isk anymore to descently fit there ships because they weren't playing actively anymore...Maybe the battlecruiser helps i stopped playing shortly after they got released ... It may be improved with some of the expansions i never played and the rant isn't totally justified because of new features... ... ...
Honestly, you've been out of the loop for almost 2 years. That's probably why some of your arguements sounded a bit off.
By and far,fair fights are an extreme rarity in EVE. Why? Because everyone that PvPs seeks for that tactical advantage which shifts the balance towards their side.
Originally posted by holythough Originally posted by Minsc 2 More months to fly a faction BS? WHY? if it's a CNR or a GNM then you don't need anything different to fly them than you do the normal version of the ship, if it's a machariel or one of the other pirate faction ships you need 2 races BS skills to 3 I believe to fly one. I'm sorry but that does NOT take 2 months of training. Unless you're one of the blahblahblah must have all skills at level 5 to compete blahblahblah morons.
Lol sorry my mistake it was an battleship i was training for don't think faction battleship where even out at that time. ANd no not lvl 5 weps just tech 2 witht the battleship counted aswell. not sure though i just remember having the battleship already bought but not able to fly and equip ehm If you are already flying a cruiser, then it takes less than 2 weeks to get into a Battleship. The pre-reqs are:
Battleship I ------------------------1 hour Spaceship Command IV--------3 days Cruiser IV---------------------------5 days
To use battleship class weaponry the following pre-reqs are (assuming you can already use cruiser class weaponry):
Large Turret I -------------------30 mins Gunnery V ------------------------5 days
It takes you less than 14 days to be in a battleship and equip yourself with battleship class weapons. That's a far cry from 2 months. If you spend an additional 30 days training those skills up, as well as some support skills, then you can be approx. 90% effective as a Tech 2 vet would be. That being said, you DO NOT need tech 2 gear to be competitive with a 3-year old vetern. You won't be as tactically flexible as the vet, but you will very much be a threat that no vet is willing to ignore. Then agian, you won't be doing any 1-on-1 pvp in EVE either. You should be more concerned with how well you can compliment your teammates ships and setups.
Originally posted by Cerrian Originally posted by holythough Yeah treu i killed a few veterans myself. But not in a fair fight against a decent equipt PvP ships just vets that didn't have the isk anymore to descently fit there ships because they weren't playing actively anymore...Maybe the battlecruiser helps i stopped playing shortly after they got released ... It may be improved with some of the expansions i never played and the rant isn't totally justified because of new features... ... ...
Honestly, you've been out of the loop for almost 2 years. That's probably why some of your arguements sounded a bit off.
By and far,fair fights are an extreme rarity in EVE. Why? Because everyone that PvPs seeks for that tactical advantage which shifts the balance towards their side.
If by you win by better tatics i would consider it a fair fight. This is assuming both side have the same pool of options to choice from when setting up there ship
Originally posted by Cerrian Originally posted by holythough Originally posted by Minsc 2 More months to fly a faction BS? WHY? if it's a CNR or a GNM then you don't need anything different to fly them than you do the normal version of the ship, if it's a machariel or one of the other pirate faction ships you need 2 races BS skills to 3 I believe to fly one. I'm sorry but that does NOT take 2 months of training. Unless you're one of the blahblahblah must have all skills at level 5 to compete blahblahblah morons.
Lol sorry my mistake it was an battleship i was training for don't think faction battleship where even out at that time. ANd no not lvl 5 weps just tech 2 witht the battleship counted aswell. not sure though i just remember having the battleship already bought but not able to fly and equip ehm
If you are already flying a cruiser, then it takes less than 2 weeks to get into a Battleship. The pre-reqs are:
Battleship I ------------------------1 hour Spaceship Command IV--------3 days Cruiser IV---------------------------5 days
think i bought a battleship that needed atleast battleship III and spaceship command V not sure though
To use battleship class weaponry the following pre-reqs are (assuming you can already use cruiser class weaponry):
Large Turret I -------------------30 mins Gunnery V ------------------------5 days
It takes you less than 14 days to be in a battleship and equip yourself with battleship class weapons. That's a far cry from 2 months. If you spend an additional 30 days training those skills up, as well as some support skills, then you can be approx. 90% effective as a Tech 2 vet would be.
90% damage wise, i seem to remember there also was a significant lower energy cost too it and with that fact i could fit two more guns on the battleship that makes it a lot less effective then your telling here. it's more like 70-75% effective as a vet with tech 2 weapons. Although if you count the lowered effectiveness from added guns it would be 80% + added flexibility in fights
That being said, you DO NOT need tech 2 gear to be competitive with a 3-year old vetern. You won't be as tactically flexible as the vet, but you will very much be a threat that no vet is willing to ignore. Then agian, you won't be doing any 1-on-1 pvp in EVE either. You should be more concerned with how well you can compliment your teammates ships and setups.
When i was playing there where still peeps doing the solo thing and in cooperation 1versus1 fights. well the teammate thing was bit of a problem when i left because there was a big fight in my cooperation and it short off split in two factions with me stuck in the middle still getting along with everybody that was a small factor aswell making me leave because there weren't many big PvP fights anymore at that time so a part of the "fun" factor was kinda gone with me ennoyed about the skill system anyway i didn't wanna go find a new cooperation where i didn't know anyone
Against WoW and other fantasy based mmorpg EXPLOSIVELY growing. Ok ok i be fair about it WoW just got 4 million kiddies to play that should be on my list for cheap shots aswell but he facts are facts . Before WoW in the combined mmorpg that where fantasy based maybe around 2 million(just counting the ones with an monthly fee) and now 7 million. 95% playing fantasy mmorpg's and 5% playing the only spaceship mmorpg around. Man if i was still playing EvE i would take my conclusion and realize that EvE maybe is uniqeu but if it where as great as the EvE fanboys claim there should be atleast 3 million people playing it. The EvE fanboys are just fanatic and have to much time on there hands because doing things EvE is sooooooooooo slow there's nothing beter to do then to overrated the game and post on these forums
Yoy know I am REAL SICK of all these people thinking that WOWs number of players is a good argument. Its not. What good is it if there are 5 million players when you are actually amongst 5000 players on your server???
Eve you have 1 server for all. So WOW players can just go home and stick there fingers up there tight asses then lick them clean.
I got a 14 day free trial of EVE to see how it was and uninstalled it after 3 days. It was the most boring piece of crap I had ever played.
In the 3 days that I did play I had seen only about 5 other people. The game said there were 15,000 on but I couldn't find them.
Also, I can't see what is so special about the gameplay. EVE has the aboslute worst gameplay ever. The entire is automated. You need to go somewhere? You set your destination then autopilot all the way there. Whoo-freakin-hoo!!! The combat was also equally as automated.
I find it hilarious that I major point people make about EVE is that the skill system is automated, even when you're not even playing. Pathetic.
EVE may be liked by the "hardcore PVP" crowd but I actually like to PLAY games. It's not fun when the least essential component of the game is YOU.
Originally posted by Vanillacream Originally posted by holythough
Against WoW and other fantasy based mmorpg EXPLOSIVELY growing. Ok ok i be fair about it WoW just got 4 million kiddies to play that should be on my list for cheap shots aswell but he facts are facts . Before WoW in the combined mmorpg that where fantasy based maybe around 2 million(just counting the ones with an monthly fee) and now 7 million. 95% playing fantasy mmorpg's and 5% playing the only spaceship mmorpg around. Man if i was still playing EvE i would take my conclusion and realize that EvE maybe is uniqeu but if it where as great as the EvE fanboys claim there should be atleast 3 million people playing it. The EvE fanboys are just fanatic and have to much time on there hands because doing things EvE is sooooooooooo slow there's nothing beter to do then to overrated the game and post on these forums
Yoy know I am REAL SICK of all these people thinking that WOWs number of players is a good argument. Its not. What good is it if there are 5 million players when you are actually amongst 5000 players on your server???
Eve you have 1 server for all. So WOW players can just go home and stick there fingers up there tight asses then lick them clean.
So what good is having all people on 1 server if it takes all my game time getting to another part where im going to meet ehm ?
The fact is having everybody on one server doesn't really add up because it takes to much time to travel so you get isolated pockets of people and it ends up almost being the same as being on different servers all together. You say oh but we can fight anybody anywhere ? so ? with world PvP you can fight anybody every where in WoW too the argument doesn't really add up. I never seen any EvE fight with more then 100 players at the same time so it's not that big of a differents
Originally posted by Xiaoki I got a 14 day free trial of EVE to see how it was and uninstalled it after 3 days. It was the most boring piece of crap I had ever played. In the 3 days that I did play I had seen only about 5 other people. The game said there were 15,000 on but I couldn't find them. Also, I can't see what is so special about the gameplay. EVE has the aboslute worst gameplay ever. The entire is automated. You need to go somewhere? You set your destination then autopilot all the way there. Whoo-freakin-hoo!!! The combat was also equally as automated. I find it hilarious that I major point people make about EVE is that the skill system is automated, even when you're not even playing. Pathetic. EVE may be liked by the "hardcore PVP" crowd but I actually like to PLAY games. It's not fun when the least essential component of the game is YOU.
Lol after 3 days of play you have no feeling for eve you just haven't had the change to do shit. There's a lot of fun stuff to do in eve but it takes time. If you would have played the whole 14 days you would have experienced that after a few days it gets better and better. Then it takes about 6 months and the learning gets so long it gets worse and worse. Because there's nothing new comming at an exceptable rate. But 3 days playing and judging it then means your just quit to early to make an opinion about it
Originally posted by fizzle322 War is Economic/Industrial/Military/Political.
You make deals, you build stuff, you form alliances, you make friends, you make enemies, you crush enemies, you help your friends, you hire mercenaries, you buy blueprints, you transport them to where you build your ships, you sell surplus merchandise to finance the war effort, you sell discount to allies, you mine, you trade, you haul your cargo, you put implants in your head, you get a jump clone, you conquer the universe, you get kicked out of 0.0, you find yourself in a rookieship, you rebuild your empire, you take revenge, you camp, you gank, you ambush, you farm 5/10 complexes for more money, you buy another set of implants, you mine Omber for 9 hours straight, you read the Eve boards on your laptop while taking a shit, you Roleplay with Ushra'Khan and CVA, you surf porn while waiting for your Freighter to dock, you vow to hire some other shmuck to move your goods next time, you shop around for a better corp or a better alliance, you make more friends, you create your own corp, you hire newbs, you pay them slave wages to mine, you drive your enemies before you, you crush them and laugh as you hear the screaming of their women, you yell YARRR as you slap the living dogshit out of some miner in his first Osprey mining in .4, you make your first FRAPS movie starring yourself, you get teamspeak and get to talk to other psychos like yourself from all over the planet, you find out that the person who owned you last week is a middle age mortgage banker from England, you got owned by an old guy who wathces golf in his underwear.
And while all this shit is going on, your skills are training.
Don't worry about the skills. Worry about the other shit.
There was only one true space mmorpg made in my opinion. Yes I am a fanboi and I will always be a fanboi of a space mmorpg that was pulled from under our feet in only 2 years of operation.
Warp Gates Home planets of the three races Changing Conditions Boss Spawns Invasions The language of the V'rix Decoding the language Maps of the Game universe 3 Playable professions Character stats Combat Trade Exploration Spaceships Customization Weapon Classes Ammunition Factions
I would play again in a heartbeat. The most fun I have had in any space game. I played Eve also, couldnt get into it. Just wasnt for me. I played Jumpgate too. You cant take your eyes off the screen for one minute. Jumpgate is a great space simulator.
Originally posted by Elnator My account has a whopping 3.5 months of retail I am flying in a Battlecruiser, fully tanked out with some Tech2 gear.
I can, and have, killed 3 year vets, in combat. (And even did that when I was still in my Cruisers) I am often asked to fly cover for corp mining ops though for those I actually prefer to hop in my osprey and help mine the ore so I can do soemthing beyond scan endlessly for a badguy that rarely shows up.
What was that about not being able to compete with 'long time players'? in a reasonable ammount of time?
Yeah treu i killed a few veterans myself. But not in a fair fight against a decent equipt PvP ships just vets that didn't have the isk anymore to descently fit there ships because they weren't playing actively anymore. The only thing that helps is that it's a econimical game so peeps have to stay active to a certain agree to be able to afford the stuff. I lost all fight against active PvPers with a decent company behind them.
I wasn't speaking of inactive players or random folks out mining. I'm talking about hunting down and killing pirates in .1 through .4 space and flying cover for corp mining operations in low sec space. My combat skills are nearly as good as those of a 2 or 3 year VET. There is a CAP to how high you can raise those (they stop at 5, ya know) get them to 4 in less than half the time and all that. and having all 4's is only MARGINALLY less 'powerful' than someone with all 5's (to the tune of a mere 5% (at most, generally, some are only 2%) advantage.
In combat that 5% is FAR overpowered by pure player skill. Even a player with all 3's who fights smart can beat a player with all 5's (in combat skills).
I've never 'gank killed' someone. I was talking about relatively fair fights where a pirate jumped me or I hunted him down. Never me camping a gate and blasting some poor SOB who just happened to come under my gunsights. I don't play that. I generally just run missions... if I get into a PVP fight it's usually because I'm flying through low sec space and got jumped by a piarate. NOT an inactive player who can't afford gear for their ships which is hogwash, you can go inactive for months and you won't lose any money you have banked, now if you go inactive, come back and die... then go inactive, then come back and die... and never take time to make any ISK? Then too bad, so sad. If you are spending money you need to be making money as well If you spend without earning any revenue that just makes you a congressmen... or a senator (and we know how long those guys would last in a firefight!!!)
I just think that the way skills are learned just takes freaking long. Lol i sort of did it to myself a bit training the learning skills first before going onto the shipship skills, sure it cut down time on training all the skills but they took time to train aswell if i took that time to train on ships and combat i probably be more competitve in the begin but i figured i would be beter of in the long run
Well you sort of just pointed out your own error there. I will state this as I have a million times: A NEW PLAYER SHOULD NOT FOCUS EXCLUSIVELY ON THE LEARNING SKILLS BEYOND about Level THREE. Why? Because the TIME it takes to get them all to 5 you could easily have trained several other areas to 3, even 4. The learning skills aren't REALLY all that helpful until you are training rank 2 and 3 skills and training level 5 of rank 1 skills. I typically train as many short skills as I can (under 9 hours) before I begin worrying about training learning skills. I was combat capable within 8 hours of starting EVE back when I began playing. Granted I wasn't all that GOOD at it but I was capable of helping folks out (or myself) if the need arose. I owned 2 Frigates and a fully equipped cruiser as well as a industrial ship all before my free trial expired. Matter of fact I had 2 cruisers: A Caracal and an Osprey... And I was already capable of contributing (if not excelling) in PVP. That was before the two week trial even expired. After my first retail month I was better... Now I'm capable of holding my own and even winning against 2+ year vets that DO concentrate on combat (though that is NOT easy nor is it a given... I lose more of those than I win but I AM capable of competing)
The only players that should be concerned wth maxing learning before training other skills are players who have 2 accounts (one they play on and the other that's training). A really good tool to see what i'm talking about is EVEMON... figure out what you want to fly, choose it from the "item list" and then have it add all required skills to your training bar. It will optimize your training list to take the minimum ammt of time by adding whatever learning skills will actually help. If you go for a Battlecruiser or Battleship you'll find that while it does add some learning skills it by no means tells you to train to 5 in them (or even 4 in most cases).
People who listen to the advice of vets with 3 and 4 accounts and 'train learning first' are doing themselves a disservice.
Train learning EARLY... but not first.
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Originally posted by outfctrl OK, here I go again....Sorry There was only one true space mmorpg made in my opinion. Yes I am a fanboi and I will always be a fanboi of a space mmorpg that was pulled from under our feet in only 2 years of operation. Earth and Beyondwas a true mmorpg space game. Warp Gates <--- Eve has these too, they're called Jump Gates... Jump Gate also has them... as does darkspace.... Home planets of the three races <--- Try 4 factions, 3 races per, all with back stories and unique abilities, benefits and weaknesses. SWG has even more... I think Jumpgate has 5... not sure how many that Darkspace has.... Changing Conditions <--- EVE has this as well... FAR more changing than E&B, SWG not so much... Jumpgate does... in spades.... Not sure about Darkspace. Boss Spawns <--- Again, EVE has this (not spawns, but in missions), SWG has it.... Jumpgate doesn't.... not really.... Not sure about Darkspace Invasions <--- Yep, EVE has those... they're called player fleets coming to attack your corproration's POS or to take a sector of space away from your corp. Jumpgate has them as well... think Darkspace has them... SWG didn't. The language of the V'rix <--- Not much need for language... it's a nice roleplaying thing... Would be kind of neat if it were added to EVE but I never miss it. SWG has more languages than you can shake a stick at. Decoding the language <--- Err... see above. Maps of the Game universe <----- Universe? The entire E&B "Universe" would fit in one EVE constellation.... Jumpgate has a bigger universe as well... so does Darkspace.... SWG's was a little smaller (All 3, however, are TRUE 3D-space, not a 2D plane with a limited Z axis - There's very little vertical movement, in E&B) 3 Playable professions <--- Too limiting... try thousands of different combinations of skills to make your OWN 'profession' in EVE... Jumpgate doesn't even have professions, it's an FPS, SWG had more professions than you could shake a stick at pre NGE even today it has 9, Not sure about Darkspace. Character stats <--- Every MMO in existence has this. Combat <--- Was a joke... Combat in every other MMORPG I have played is better. Trade <--- LOL ok whatever... you need to play a game that has a real trade option... EVE blows this out of the water. So does SWG, EQ2, WoW... etc. Exploration <--- Errr no... all you did was uncover the map. You weren't 'exploring' anything. I don't know of any MMORPG where you truely 'explore' anything.... Anywhere you go someone else has been... unless you're the first player there. Spaceships <---- Err... EVE... SWG... Jumpgate... Darkspace... LOTS of Spaceships there. Tons more than E&B... Customization <--- Agree... I liked the customization... but every space MMO has this. Including SWG and EVE. Weapon Classes <---- Um... pick a game... any game... all have this. Ammunition <---- *snickers* see above. Factions <---- Are there any MMO's that DONT have factions? Someone tell me please? Even UO had 'factions' of a sort.
I would play again in a heartbeat. The most fun I have had in any space game. I played Eve also, couldnt get into it. Just wasnt for me. I played Jumpgate too. You cant take your eyes off the screen for one minute. Jumpgate is a great space simulator.
Now, if you prefer E&B over other games that's fine. But every single feature you listed is contained in EVE, SWG, Jumpgate and a whole SLEW of other space based MMORPG's. They may not be implemented in a way that you enjoy but they ARE there.
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I like the game and i played it a long time i still think any PvP game should make it possible to compete with long time players after a reasonable amount of time
My account has a whopping 3.5 months of retail
I am flying in a Battlecruiser, fully tanked out with some Tech2 gear.
I can, and have, killed 3 year vets, in combat. (And even did that when I was still in my Cruisers) I am often asked to fly cover for corp mining ops though for those I actually prefer to hop in my osprey and help mine the ore so I can do soemthing beyond scan endlessly for a badguy that rarely shows up.
What was that about not being able to compete with 'long time players'? in a reasonable ammount of time?
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Eve is not the only Space based MMO around. SWG with JTL is also a space game
Who cares.
erm mate thats just when you lose a cheap ship. Try working for an agent to gain enough loyalty points for a Faction Battleship (youl be there at least 3 weeks to a month) and since the battleship costs 1.6 billion isk (CNR) you arent going to fit cheap modules. Then you lose the ship trust me that realy hurts!!!
. Then you think OMFG 1 month of hard work just went down the drain
to ur post it is possable mate form a group of 4 - 6 cheap tech 1 frigs and u will easily pawn a very tough battleship just use good tactics
THey reall bitch is that i needed about months(dunno exact number anymore at least 2 months worth of training more skills) to train to fly a faction battleship already had about 7 billion isk at that time and so high faction i could get that battleship in under 2 weeks. But whats the point of all this waiting on skills ?
6 peeps defeating 1 isn't tatics. if it needed 6 people to bring down 1 person in a character based mmorpg everybody would scream NERF!!!! if you call that tatics you don't understand the meaning of the word tatic. Tatics are when you bring down a bigger number of people with a smaller number of people.
2 More months to fly a faction BS? WHY? if it's a CNR or a GNM then you don't need anything different to fly them than you do the normal version of the ship, if it's a machariel or one of the other pirate faction ships you need 2 races BS skills to 3 I believe to fly one. I'm sorry but that does NOT take 2 months of training. Unless you're one of the blahblahblah must have all skills at level 5 to compete blahblahblah morons.
Yeah treu i killed a few veterans myself. But not in a fair fight against a decent equipt PvP ships just vets that didn't have the isk anymore to descently fit there ships because they weren't playing actively anymore. The only thing that helps is that it's a econimical game so peeps have to stay active to a certain agree to be able to afford the stuff. I lost all fight against active PvPers with a decent company behind them. i only shot down a few loners. Maybe the battlecruiser helps i stopped playing shortly after they got released getting really ennoyed at another set of skills to train when i wasn't totally finished on getting the skills for battleship although i really wanted to fly the one i bought. It may be improved with some of the expansions i never played and the rant isn't totally justified because of new features. I think that red moon rising actaully did combat related stuff i have no idea how that turned out and if that makes it possible to kinda compete could. My old time EvE friends are not complaining anymore about not able to compete in PvP anymore there actaully kinda veterans thereselfs. And with all the new ships it might be able to have some paper rox scissor construction where particular set of ships actaully make a change against certain type of ships. I just think that the way skills are learned just takes freaking long.
Lol i sort of did it to myself a bit training the learning skills first before going onto the shipship skills, sure it cut down time on training all the skills but they took time to train aswell if i took that time to train on ships and combat i probably be more competitve in the begin but i figured i would be beter of in the long run
Man what an EGO
erm mate thats just when you lose a cheap ship. Try working for an agent to gain enough loyalty points for a Faction Battleship (youl be there at least 3 weeks to a month) and since the battleship costs 1.6 billion isk (CNR) you arent going to fit cheap modules. Then you lose the ship trust me that realy hurts!!!
. Then you think OMFG 1 month of hard work just went down the drain
to ur post it is possable mate form a group of 4 - 6 cheap tech 1 frigs and u will easily pawn a very tough battleship just use good tactics
THey reall bitch is that i needed about months(dunno exact number anymore at least 2 months worth of training more skills) to train to fly a faction battleship already had about 7 billion isk at that time and so high faction i could get that battleship in under 2 weeks. But whats the point of all this waiting on skills ?
6 peeps defeating 1 isn't tatics. if it needed 6 people to bring down 1 person in a character based mmorpg everybody would scream NERF!!!! if you call that tatics you don't understand the meaning of the word tatic. Tatics are when you bring down a bigger number of people with a smaller number of people.
2 More months to fly a faction BS? WHY? if it's a CNR or a GNM then you don't need anything different to fly them than you do the normal version of the ship, if it's a machariel or one of the other pirate faction ships you need 2 races BS skills to 3 I believe to fly one. I'm sorry but that does NOT take 2 months of training. Unless you're one of the blahblahblah must have all skills at level 5 to compete blahblahblah morons.
Lol sorry my mistake it was an battleship i was training for don't think faction battleship where even out at that time. ANd no not lvl 5 weps just tech 2 witht the battleship counted aswell. not sure though i just remember having the battleship already bought but not able to fly and equip ehm
$0.02 worth...
Eve is a good game.
Eve is a shitty game.
Eve is a game for everyone.
Eve is not a game for everyone.
Well worth the money...
Dont waste your money...
Your momma wears combat boots....
There I got it all covered.
By and far,fair fights are an extreme rarity in EVE. Why? Because everyone that PvPs seeks for that tactical advantage which shifts the balance towards their side.
If you are already flying a cruiser, then it takes less than 2 weeks to get into a Battleship. The pre-reqs are:
Battleship I ------------------------1 hour
Spaceship Command IV--------3 days
Cruiser IV---------------------------5 days
To use battleship class weaponry the following pre-reqs are (assuming you can already use cruiser class weaponry):
Large Turret I -------------------30 mins
Gunnery V ------------------------5 days
It takes you less than 14 days to be in a battleship and equip yourself with battleship class weapons. That's a far cry from 2 months. If you spend an additional 30 days training those skills up, as well as some support skills, then you can be approx. 90% effective as a Tech 2 vet would be. That being said, you DO NOT need tech 2 gear to be competitive with a 3-year old vetern. You won't be as tactically flexible as the vet, but you will very much be a threat that no vet is willing to ignore. Then agian, you won't be doing any 1-on-1 pvp in EVE either. You should be more concerned with how well you can compliment your teammates ships and setups.
By and far,fair fights are an extreme rarity in EVE. Why? Because everyone that PvPs seeks for that tactical advantage which shifts the balance towards their side.
If by you win by better tatics i would consider it a fair fight. This is assuming both side have the same pool of options to choice from when setting up there ship
If you are already flying a cruiser, then it takes less than 2 weeks to get into a Battleship. The pre-reqs are:
Battleship I ------------------------1 hour
Spaceship Command IV--------3 days
Cruiser IV---------------------------5 days
think i bought a battleship that needed atleast battleship III and spaceship command V not sure though
To use battleship class weaponry the following pre-reqs are (assuming you can already use cruiser class weaponry):
Large Turret I -------------------30 mins
Gunnery V ------------------------5 days
It takes you less than 14 days to be in a battleship and equip yourself with battleship class weapons. That's a far cry from 2 months. If you spend an additional 30 days training those skills up, as well as some support skills, then you can be approx. 90% effective as a Tech 2 vet would be.
90% damage wise, i seem to remember there also was a significant lower energy cost too it and with that fact i could fit two more guns on the battleship that makes it a lot less effective then your telling here. it's more like 70-75% effective as a vet with tech 2 weapons. Although if you count the lowered effectiveness from added guns it would be 80% + added flexibility in fights
That being said, you DO NOT need tech 2 gear to be competitive with a 3-year old vetern. You won't be as tactically flexible as the vet, but you will very much be a threat that no vet is willing to ignore. Then agian, you won't be doing any 1-on-1 pvp in EVE either. You should be more concerned with how well you can compliment your teammates ships and setups.
When i was playing there where still peeps doing the solo thing and in cooperation 1versus1 fights. well the teammate thing was bit of a problem when i left because there was a big fight in my cooperation and it short off split in two factions with me stuck in the middle still getting along with everybody that was a small factor aswell making me leave because there weren't many big PvP fights anymore at that time so a part of the "fun" factor was kinda gone with me ennoyed about the skill system anyway i didn't wanna go find a new cooperation where i didn't know anyone
Eve you have 1 server for all. So WOW players can just go home and stick there fingers up there tight asses then lick them clean.
I got a 14 day free trial of EVE to see how it was and uninstalled it after 3 days. It was the most boring piece of crap I had ever played.
In the 3 days that I did play I had seen only about 5 other people. The game said there were 15,000 on but I couldn't find them.
Also, I can't see what is so special about the gameplay. EVE has the aboslute worst gameplay ever. The entire is automated. You need to go somewhere? You set your destination then autopilot all the way there. Whoo-freakin-hoo!!! The combat was also equally as automated.
I find it hilarious that I major point people make about EVE is that the skill system is automated, even when you're not even playing. Pathetic.
EVE may be liked by the "hardcore PVP" crowd but I actually like to PLAY games. It's not fun when the least essential component of the game is YOU.
Eve you have 1 server for all. So WOW players can just go home and stick there fingers up there tight asses then lick them clean.
So what good is having all people on 1 server if it takes all my game time getting to another part where im going to meet ehm ?
The fact is having everybody on one server doesn't really add up because it takes to much time to travel so you get isolated pockets of people and it ends up almost being the same as being on different servers all together. You say oh but we can fight anybody anywhere ? so ? with world PvP you can fight anybody every where in WoW too the argument doesn't really add up. I never seen any EvE fight with more then 100 players at the same time so it's not that big of a differents
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OK, here I go again....Sorry
There was only one true space mmorpg made in my opinion. Yes I am a fanboi and I will always be a fanboi of a space mmorpg that was pulled from under our feet in only 2 years of operation.
Earth and Beyond was a true mmorpg space game.
Warp Gates
Home planets of the three races
Changing Conditions
Boss Spawns
Invasions
The language of the V'rix
Decoding the language
Maps of the Game universe
3 Playable professions
Character stats
Combat
Trade
Exploration
Spaceships
Customization
Weapon Classes
Ammunition
Factions
I would play again in a heartbeat. The most fun I have had in any space game. I played Eve also, couldnt get into it. Just wasnt for me. I played Jumpgate too. You cant take your eyes off the screen for one minute. Jumpgate is a great space simulator.
Yeah treu i killed a few veterans myself. But not in a fair fight against a decent equipt PvP ships just vets that didn't have the isk anymore to descently fit there ships because they weren't playing actively anymore. The only thing that helps is that it's a econimical game so peeps have to stay active to a certain agree to be able to afford the stuff. I lost all fight against active PvPers with a decent company behind them.
I wasn't speaking of inactive players or random folks out mining. I'm talking about hunting down and killing pirates in .1 through .4 space and flying cover for corp mining operations in low sec space. My combat skills are nearly as good as those of a 2 or 3 year VET. There is a CAP to how high you can raise those (they stop at 5, ya know) get them to 4 in less than half the time and all that. and having all 4's is only MARGINALLY less 'powerful' than someone with all 5's (to the tune of a mere 5% (at most, generally, some are only 2%) advantage.
In combat that 5% is FAR overpowered by pure player skill. Even a player with all 3's who fights smart can beat a player with all 5's (in combat skills).
I've never 'gank killed' someone. I was talking about relatively fair fights where a pirate jumped me or I hunted him down. Never me camping a gate and blasting some poor SOB who just happened to come under my gunsights. I don't play that. I generally just run missions... if I get into a PVP fight it's usually because I'm flying through low sec space and got jumped by a piarate. NOT an inactive player who can't afford gear for their ships which is hogwash, you can go inactive for months and you won't lose any money you have banked, now if you go inactive, come back and die... then go inactive, then come back and die... and never take time to make any ISK? Then too bad, so sad. If you are spending money you need to be making money as well
Well you sort of just pointed out your own error there. I will state this as I have a million times: A NEW PLAYER SHOULD NOT FOCUS EXCLUSIVELY ON THE LEARNING SKILLS BEYOND about Level THREE. Why? Because the TIME it takes to get them all to 5 you could easily have trained several other areas to 3, even 4. The learning skills aren't REALLY all that helpful until you are training rank 2 and 3 skills and training level 5 of rank 1 skills. I typically train as many short skills as I can (under 9 hours) before I begin worrying about training learning skills. I was combat capable within 8 hours of starting EVE back when I began playing. Granted I wasn't all that GOOD at it but I was capable of helping folks out (or myself) if the need arose. I owned 2 Frigates and a fully equipped cruiser as well as a industrial ship all before my free trial expired. Matter of fact I had 2 cruisers: A Caracal and an Osprey... And I was already capable of contributing (if not excelling) in PVP. That was before the two week trial even expired. After my first retail month I was better... Now I'm capable of holding my own and even winning against 2+ year vets that DO concentrate on combat (though that is NOT easy nor is it a given... I lose more of those than I win but I AM capable of competing)
The only players that should be concerned wth maxing learning before training other skills are players who have 2 accounts (one they play on and the other that's training). A really good tool to see what i'm talking about is EVEMON... figure out what you want to fly, choose it from the "item list" and then have it add all required skills to your training bar. It will optimize your training list to take the minimum ammt of time by adding whatever learning skills will actually help. If you go for a Battlecruiser or Battleship you'll find that while it does add some learning skills it by no means tells you to train to 5 in them (or even 4 in most cases).
People who listen to the advice of vets with 3 and 4 accounts and 'train learning first' are doing themselves a disservice.
Train learning EARLY... but not first.
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