lolz... bro quit Archlord too after he reach lvl 20+... now he's playing Eudemon.. seems like Archlord didn't have the drawing power to get gamers to play on...
Korean MMO's are about PVP, and PVP simply doesn't start till you are at a higher level. its not WoW where the experience is made for you. if you fully ignore the pvp aspect of the game, then you WILL get bored of it, simple as that.
comments like " typical korean grind" are pointless. what do you think your doing when your questing in WoW, EQ2, DAOC, or CoH? grinding all the way.
Originally posted by Akunai What's the difference between a western grind and an asian grind? Asian grind has more levels?
well the typical western grind has much more variety. first off quests, you can say quest grinding and mob grinding are the same, but they are not even close. also there are other things to do like crafting usualy, prospecting, etc. dungoen quests that require groups and teamwork. the typical asian grind is nothing but kill the same mob a million times, move 10 feet furth from town and kill the next mob a millin and 1 times, repeat etc.
i dont mind some asian games for a little but the lack of character diversity and things to do makes it get boring fast. i guess i could pk lowbies for that half of the game that apparently makes it good?
anyway slowly asian games seem to be trying to add more content, just some of them are so cheap (i.e. rappelz, deicide, legend of ares) that is basicly just trying to cash in on kids that are addicted and cant pay for montly subs to a decent game.
Originally posted by Akunai What's the difference between a western grind and an asian grind? Asian grind has more levels?
well the typical western grind has much more variety. first off quests, you can say quest grinding and mob grinding are the same, but they are not even close. also there are other things to do like crafting usualy, prospecting, etc. dungoen quests that require groups and teamwork. the typical asian grind is nothing but kill the same mob a million times, move 10 feet furth from town and kill the next mob a millin and 1 times, repeat etc.
i dont mind some asian games for a little but the lack of character diversity and things to do makes it get boring fast. i guess i could pk lowbies for that half of the game that apparently makes it good?
anyway slowly asian games seem to be trying to add more content, just some of them are so cheap (i.e. rappelz, deicide, legend of ares) that is basicly just trying to cash in on kids that are addicted and cant pay for montly subs to a decent game.
Really? And what is the diffrence between going to a field to kill some mobs and get send by an npc to kill 6 of those mobs? its the exact same thing. dungeon play and teamwork is avaible in ANY asian mmorpg, the diffrence is that you don't get send inside by an npc to kill 17 bats.
*coughs* erm...wanna really talk about PvP? Wanna really discuss whether Archlord or any other PvP/RvR-mmorpg are more exciting in the point of PvP?
I mean PvP wasnt invented by the koreans imo and there are some good mmorpgs out there, that HAVE good lowlevel content AND a good PvP (RvR) system...might be that a player cant experience the "full" brightside of a game when he only plays (grinds) to the half of the levels, but there´s a difference between getting 50 and having fun with it or getting 50 and to be bored....
Just to say...1st) the PvP system isnt new after all and isnt the best after all, whats the big deal in it? mounts? mounted weapons? castle sieges? All been there.
And even a good PvP-content wouldnt make the fighting-system better, wouldnt make the AI better m8.
To the point of "quest-grinding" vs. "mob-grinding"....yay, there might be no real difference in it, but whether you do the quests(and run for hours along) or grind some mobs on tthe same pos. over and over again,, i found it myself just boring, that has nothing to do with, that i didnt do PvP, it was just boring getting levels, and in other games it wasn´t that way...
The PVP is about clan politics. clan politics are difficult to explain in text. Clan politics usually start in castle sieges, but continue in the rest of the world
Originally posted by Gameloading The PVP is about clan politics. clan politics are difficult to explain in text. Clan politics usually start in castle sieges, but continue in the rest of the world
I don't care about these crap politics, or the 1 billion mobs I need to kill before anyone even talks to me because i'm "noob".
The fact is that these games are 100% endgame.
The problem is not that these games are endgame, the problem is that there is nothing FUN to do until you get to that endgame.
Solo questing is a more fun way to get to that endgame, than grinding the same mod a million times. In WoW for instance, you have to move around from area to area, rather than sit in the same bland area. It helps break up the monotomy, and whether you understand the logic here or not, it does make it more fun. Sitting in the same area killing the same mob will always be more boring than moving around, killing different mobs, in different continents, different climates and different hostile regions.
Sorry for bringing some intelligence to this debate.
Archlord is crap, the game brings nothing new to the table (just like all the other asian grinds) and does not even think about the players' needs while leveling up at all.
Admittedly I only played Archlord for about 2 hours, but I couldn't bring myself to play it anymore. It's horrible. The game is a completely uninspired grindfest and the interface/vendor UI is abysmal. This game would have been great if it was released like 2 years ago, but as it stands it is already a failure and I hope it dies within half a year.
Originally posted by Gameloading The PVP is about clan politics. clan politics are difficult to explain in text. Clan politics usually start in castle sieges, but continue in the rest of the world
I don't care about these crap politics, or the 1 billion mobs I need to kill before anyone even talks to me because i'm "noob".
If you don't care about clan politics, then this game simply isn't for you. your better off playing WoW, EQ2 or City of heroes.
The fact is that these games are 100% endgame.
Incorrect. clan politics start as soon as you join a guild and as soon as you can compete with other players, usually for leveling spot.this usually starts from lvl 20~30. castle sieges start from level 60, not level 100
The problem is not that these games are endgame, the problem is that there is nothing FUN to do until you get to that endgame.
If you completely ignore the PVP aspect,then I don't think its a surprise you think there is nothing fun to do..
Solo questing is a more fun way to get to that endgame, than grinding the same mod a million times. In WoW for instance, you have to move around from area to area, rather than sit in the same bland area. It helps break up the monotomy, and whether you understand the logic here or not, it does make it more fun. Sitting in the same area killing the same mob will always be more boring than moving around, killing different mobs, in different continents, different climates and different hostile regions.
did you actually play the game, or are you opening your mouth without doing research again, like usual? you can move from area to area in Archlord just fine, there are multiple hunting spots in the game for any given level. both for solo play and group play. the diffrence is, you actually have to look for them,instead of an NPC telling you where to go next. something you are obviously not used to.
Sorry for bringing some intelligence to this debate.
you didn't.
Archlord is crap, the game brings nothing new to the table (just like all the other asian grinds) and does not even think about the players' needs while leveling up at all.
Originally posted by fulmanfu man its alwasy a mostly civil discussion then you jumping down everyones throat with nonsense. relax, get out of the house, get a job so you can afford a decent game. it will cheer you up no joke.
cool, what game?
also, what part of my post was nonsense? Just because I don't jump on the "omigawd, AL is teh toatl sux0rz, cuz I played till lvl 20 and i only grinded and wtfz, this game iz no fun!111one" bandwagon doesn't mean its nonsense.
I also recommend you quit the "get out of the house, get a job blabla" joke. what do you think this is, 1999? that joke was old 5 days after it was first used.
As soon as I logged into the BETA, I felt like I had been there before...HERO, SILK ROAD, LINEAGE2 (though LINEAGE2 was was another crappy anime-style game it WAS very very pretty).
I tested out the quest system (They made an attempt to make it easy to find quest givers, etc in the crowd of female characters just standing around posing and emoting)
The Monsters were silly in my opinion, and quite frankly, the world was devoid of any real depth. A few trees here and there, lots of open terrain, not much of an attempt was made to enliven the environment.
As we all know, playing a BETA for a lot of people is a sneak peek at the world, and releasing it with anything less than what the full game is intended to look like/be is equivalent to shooting yourself in the foot.
So for those of you who pre-ordered (sorry!) I hope they put a ton more work into the game before launch!
I uninstalled this BETA faster than pretty much anything I had tried out in the last year or so.
Originally posted by MasterFug Well, I got into the beta pretty early on... I must now say that I am thoroughly dissapointed. The graphics are NOT that good, even on my very expensive system. It looks like another cookie cutter grindfest, badly put together Korean RPG. The movement is EXTREMELY awkward, the gameplay is terrible, and the graphics on the screenshots are EXTREMELY misleading. This looks like nothing more than a hastily put together money-sucking MMORPG. I feel sorry for those that have preordered this game.
If you have any questions, feel free to PM me. Now I go back to waiting for Darkfall *sigh*
Played it for 30 mins... uninstalled. I'd rather play Lineage 2 (retail ) than this. Maybe it could get better after a few expansions but for now 3/10.
welp if u like grinds, i guess this games good, thats all i can say bout it though cept i still think silkroad is the best grinder to date and before that lineage 2
I played this 'game' through three stages of 'beta'. In the first stage levels,gear,enchantments and abilities were all on a pace that wouldnt put you to sleep. Next they put in the 'release rates' with a patch that was only supposed to fix minor problems. It made the game unplayable for most characters in their upper 40's. The guild system has a slick interface but is broken. There are numerous massive problems with your spawn locations and the failure to usefullness ratio of items put in for items manufactured makes it not worthwhile at all to make any items for the commitment of materials and money involved. Considering some of their massive problem were only fixable with stuff out of their in game 'store' and could happen 3-10 times an hour., youd be out of credits with your entire account in less then 3 days if you played 6 hours. The graphics are close to L2 for sure and well that had some appeal to me but the game in and of itself has no real identity no real direction no real purpose and it seems this game and frankenstein have more in common then they really are aware of. I have pretty much sworn off CMs games period after this and RF i have had enough disappointment.
Well I guess, my comment will go along the same line as everyone ... don't use your $$$ on this game.
First, I only got into the public beta phase, so did not have time to explore a lot. The first this that got me was the sex/class limits. Sorry but their is no way I'm good at roleplay a female characters, so forcing me to be female if I want to play a class is no way to get me involved into role play a female.
The second thing that pissed me off was all those pop ups and quest that show funny squares & characters, basically like if someone didn't fimnish the translation, and I did not have the rigth character set.
Third, many quest indications sent you wrong plavce (ie: east side instead of west side) or the naming on the maps vs the quest log where not the same.
My impression was ... someone got a cheap LineageII beta 1 copy and try to make a new game.
After learning about Archlord so long ago, reading and researching i had a set game in my mind, when i got into beta it was completely differant. That didn't stop me it was the all the other crap that went on that stopped me from buying and contieing to play it
I have to agree with original poster. Its just another unimaginative korean styled grind fest with no stroyline , complete rubbish quests, a crafting system that looks like its been put in as an afterthought. The graphics i thought were very average although i thought the mob models were nicely done.
I preordered (stupidly) as i was totally taken in by the hype machine in the ad campaign (i know i should of known better) but im afraid i wont be playing past the free month.
Codemasters are getting a real name for themselves as publishing some right donkeys. I will be more wary in the future.
Greatness is difficult to appreciate from close up. The great mountain on the horizon is only the ground when you are standing on it.
I do agree. I was a beta tester and some issues were given to them for improving very obvious errors and basically they still went ahead and launched the game. I guess in the end a little bit of money from those people who will buy the game solely on how nicely its presented is all they want. After that they don't worry.
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lolz... bro quit Archlord too after he reach lvl 20+... now he's playing Eudemon.. seems like Archlord didn't have the drawing power to get gamers to play on...
comments like " typical korean grind" are pointless. what do you think your doing when your questing in WoW, EQ2, DAOC, or CoH? grinding all the way.
well the typical western grind has much more variety.
first off quests, you can say quest grinding and mob grinding are the same, but they are not even close.
also there are other things to do like crafting usualy, prospecting, etc. dungoen quests that require groups and teamwork.
the typical asian grind is nothing but kill the same mob a million times, move 10 feet furth from town and kill the next mob a millin and 1 times, repeat etc.
i dont mind some asian games for a little but the lack of character diversity and things to do makes it get boring fast. i guess i could pk lowbies for that half of the game that apparently makes it good?
anyway slowly asian games seem to be trying to add more content, just some of them are so cheap (i.e. rappelz, deicide, legend of ares) that is basicly just trying to cash in on kids that are addicted and cant pay for montly subs to a decent game.
well the typical western grind has much more variety.
first off quests, you can say quest grinding and mob grinding are the same, but they are not even close.
also there are other things to do like crafting usualy, prospecting, etc. dungoen quests that require groups and teamwork.
the typical asian grind is nothing but kill the same mob a million times, move 10 feet furth from town and kill the next mob a millin and 1 times, repeat etc.
i dont mind some asian games for a little but the lack of character diversity and things to do makes it get boring fast. i guess i could pk lowbies for that half of the game that apparently makes it good?
anyway slowly asian games seem to be trying to add more content, just some of them are so cheap (i.e. rappelz, deicide, legend of ares) that is basicly just trying to cash in on kids that are addicted and cant pay for montly subs to a decent game.
Really? And what is the diffrence between going to a field to kill some mobs and get send by an npc to kill 6 of those mobs? its the exact same thing. dungeon play and teamwork is avaible in ANY asian mmorpg, the diffrence is that you don't get send inside by an npc to kill 17 bats.
It's better be hated for who you are, than loved for who you aren't.
I mean PvP wasnt invented by the koreans imo and there are some good mmorpgs out there, that HAVE good lowlevel content AND a good PvP (RvR) system...might be that a player cant experience the "full" brightside of a game when he only plays (grinds) to the half of the levels, but there´s a difference between getting 50 and having fun with it or getting 50 and to be bored....
Just to say...1st) the PvP system isnt new after all and isnt the best after all, whats the big deal in it? mounts? mounted weapons? castle sieges? All been there.
And even a good PvP-content wouldnt make the fighting-system better, wouldnt make the AI better m8.
To the point of "quest-grinding" vs. "mob-grinding"....yay, there might be no real difference in it, but whether you do the quests(and run for hours along) or grind some mobs on tthe same pos. over and over again,, i found it myself just boring, that has nothing to do with, that i didnt do PvP, it was just boring getting levels, and in other games it wasn´t that way...
It´s Just nothing new and nothing better...
Which FF Character Are You?
I don't care about these crap politics, or the 1 billion mobs I need to kill before anyone even talks to me because i'm "noob".
The fact is that these games are 100% endgame.
The problem is not that these games are endgame, the problem is that there is nothing FUN to do until you get to that endgame.
Solo questing is a more fun way to get to that endgame, than grinding the same mod a million times. In WoW for instance, you have to move around from area to area, rather than sit in the same bland area. It helps break up the monotomy, and whether you understand the logic here or not, it does make it more fun. Sitting in the same area killing the same mob will always be more boring than moving around, killing different mobs, in different continents, different climates and different hostile regions.
Sorry for bringing some intelligence to this debate.
Archlord is crap, the game brings nothing new to the table (just like all the other asian grinds) and does not even think about the players' needs while leveling up at all.
It's better be hated for who you are, than loved for who you aren't.
I don't care about these crap politics, or the 1 billion mobs I need to kill before anyone even talks to me because i'm "noob".
If you don't care about clan politics, then this game simply isn't for you. your better off playing WoW, EQ2 or City of heroes.
The fact is that these games are 100% endgame.
Incorrect. clan politics start as soon as you join a guild and as soon as you can compete with other players, usually for leveling spot.this usually starts from lvl 20~30. castle sieges start from level 60, not level 100
The problem is not that these games are endgame, the problem is that there is nothing FUN to do until you get to that endgame.
If you completely ignore the PVP aspect,then I don't think its a surprise you think there is nothing fun to do..
Solo questing is a more fun way to get to that endgame, than grinding the same mod a million times. In WoW for instance, you have to move around from area to area, rather than sit in the same bland area. It helps break up the monotomy, and whether you understand the logic here or not, it does make it more fun. Sitting in the same area killing the same mob will always be more boring than moving around, killing different mobs, in different continents, different climates and different hostile regions.
did you actually play the game, or are you opening your mouth without doing research again, like usual? you can move from area to area in Archlord just fine, there are multiple hunting spots in the game for any given level. both for solo play and group play. the diffrence is, you actually have to look for them,instead of an NPC telling you where to go next. something you are obviously not used to.
Sorry for bringing some intelligence to this debate.
you didn't.
Archlord is crap, the game brings nothing new to the table (just like all the other asian grinds) and does not even think about the players' needs while leveling up at all.
you seem to hardly have played the game at all.
man its alwasy a mostly civil discussion then you jumping down everyones throat with nonsense.
relax, get out of the house, get a job so you can afford a decent game. it will cheer you up no joke.
also, what part of my post was nonsense? Just because I don't jump on the "omigawd, AL is teh toatl sux0rz, cuz I played till lvl 20 and i only grinded and wtfz, this game iz no fun!111one" bandwagon doesn't mean its nonsense.
I also recommend you quit the "get out of the house, get a job blabla" joke. what do you think this is, 1999? that joke was old 5 days after it was first used.
As soon as I logged into the BETA, I felt like I had been there before...HERO, SILK ROAD, LINEAGE2 (though LINEAGE2 was was another crappy anime-style game it WAS very very pretty).
I tested out the quest system (They made an attempt to make it easy to find quest givers, etc in the crowd of female characters just standing around posing and emoting)
The Monsters were silly in my opinion, and quite frankly, the world was devoid of any real depth. A few trees here and there, lots of open terrain, not much of an attempt was made to enliven the environment.
As we all know, playing a BETA for a lot of people is a sneak peek at the world, and releasing it with anything less than what the full game is intended to look like/be is equivalent to shooting yourself in the foot.
So for those of you who pre-ordered (sorry!) I hope they put a ton more work into the game before launch!
I uninstalled this BETA faster than pretty much anything I had tried out in the last year or so.
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Downloaded, login, create character, uninstall ...
Well I guess, my comment will go along the same line as everyone ... don't use your $$$ on this game.
First, I only got into the public beta phase, so did not have time to explore a lot. The first this that got me was the sex/class limits. Sorry but their is no way I'm good at roleplay a female characters, so forcing me to be female if I want to play a class is no way to get me involved into role play a female.
The second thing that pissed me off was all those pop ups and quest that show funny squares & characters, basically like if someone didn't fimnish the translation, and I did not have the rigth character set.
Third, many quest indications sent you wrong plavce (ie: east side instead of west side) or the naming on the maps vs the quest log where not the same.
My impression was ... someone got a cheap LineageII beta 1 copy and try to make a new game.
So 3 thumbs down on this game from me
I have to agree with original poster. Its just another unimaginative korean styled grind fest with no stroyline , complete rubbish quests, a crafting system that looks like its been put in as an afterthought. The graphics i thought were very average although i thought the mob models were nicely done.
I preordered (stupidly) as i was totally taken in by the hype machine in the ad campaign (i know i should of known better) but im afraid i wont be playing past the free month.
Codemasters are getting a real name for themselves as publishing some right donkeys. I will be more wary in the future.
Greatness is difficult to appreciate from close up. The great mountain on the horizon is only the ground when you are standing on it.
I guess the saying goes
'don't judge a book by its cover.'