Originally posted by Kuzzle Originally posted by hazmats If you are an atheist than you are reading complete fiction. Why do you hate fiction?
Because it's fiction that so many people regard as the truth.
On another note, I half wish I was a satanist, just so I could walk into school covered with demonic symbols, and I could nail them for it if they said anything.
Gotta think of something I could wear that would both represent that I'm an athiest, and drive them crazy because saying anything would be enforcing a double standard. If they did that, I'd sock 'em in the face. Or rather, I'd sue their pathetic asses.
(Edit: Pathetic because they enforce a double standard. Not because they're religious. Don't missunderstand me.)
It's a fiction written about the truth. The Crucible was written to demonstrate how the hypocrisy of Mcarthyism relates to an event in the US's past. This story only exaggerates the truth, but still revolves around what really happened in the 'Salem Witch Trials':
Some girls did some stupid things in the woods related to dark rituals, blamed it on the slave, the slave was asked whether or not she had a deal with the devil (a typical lawyer question: baseless assumption with an answer requiring a statement other than 'yes' or 'no') while being whipped by the the uncle of one of the girls until she finally said 'yes'. The slave eventually said the words the interrogaters wanted to hear to save herself from further pain. The girls used the lie "the devil made me do it!" and then turned it around to say "I saw _____ with the devil when I signed his book!" (replace _____ with the name of any villager the girls disliked). Those convicted people were then taken to court and given two options: 'confess' that they had dealings with the devil, or be hanged.
Salem Witch Trials (setting of The Crucible) = Mcarthyism. That's the point the author is trying to make, and that is why it is studied in American schools. It has nothing to do with religion.
It's actually a really easy-to-read book, I don't know why you're complaining.
As for the double standard, I don't see why being an Athiest would give you reason to sue a teacher or school for being forced to read a government-approved book. The Crucible talks about Puritans, not Athiests. I could just as well sue Wizard of The Coast for publishing the book Thieves of Blood, based in the Eberron Dungeons and Dragons setting, for slander against supernatural demons from another dimension and not warning me about it in the book's foreward or back cover preview.
Seriously, it's just a book. Don't get all 'emo' about having to read it.
Originally posted by methane47 Originally posted by Kuzzle
Ugh... I guess I wasn't really clear about it. I didn't mean that I felt that they were "shoving their beliefs down my throat". I'm just tired of reading books with religious main characters for school. I mean, last year I had to read "Cry the Beloved Country", and, just... ugh. ohhhh... ok....
Plus, there were some students doing a report, and they said some crazy stuff about how "Paganism was a religion" and about how "(Something that I don't remember) and Wicca were just subsections of it", or something. The teacher didn't even bother to correct them. Paganism refers to any rural spiritual or religous practices. Modern Paganism can refer to religion based in Nature.. And since Wicca is worship of Mother nature kinda.. I think that student was pretty right... So when a student in class even SPEAKS about religion.. you get angry?
So, yeah, neither of those are great examples, but... I mean, hell, they've hosted religious functions on the school grounds before! They even advertised it on the marquee. Sure, that doesn't really show the double standard, but it does show the bias. Has your school ever had a Science fair? Or a science class? REALLY? ON SCHOOL GROUNDS!??!?!! OH GOD do you see the bias on science!!!! I mean one time in class another student said something about science... and the teacher didn't even correct him...
Science is considered a religion (explanation of the unexplainable). You're learning another religion in school!!! AAAAARGH!!!
Originally posted by Kuzzle Originally posted by hazmats If you are an atheist than you are reading complete fiction. Why do you hate fiction?
Because it's fiction that so many people regard as the truth.
On another note, I half wish I was a satanist, just so I could walk into school covered with demonic symbols, and I could nail them for it if they said anything.
Gotta think of something I could wear that would both represent that I'm an athiest, and drive them crazy because saying anything would be enforcing a double standard. If they did that, I'd sock 'em in the face. Or rather, I'd sue their pathetic asses.
(Edit: Pathetic because they enforce a double standard. Not because they're religious. Don't missunderstand me.)
I'm converting. I like their outlook on life. Thanks for the idea, I'm going to do it.
Originally posted by Plasuma!!! It's actually a really easy-to-read book, I don't know why you're complaining.
As for the double standard, I don't see why being an Athiest would give you reason to sue a teacher or school for being forced to read a government-approved book. The Crucible talks about Puritans, not Athiests. I could just as well sue Wizard of The Coast for publishing the book Thieves of Blood, based in the Eberron Dungeons and Dragons setting, for slander against supernatural demons from another dimension and not warning me about it in the book's foreward or back cover preview. Seriously, it's just a book. Don't get all 'emo' about having to read it.
I don't understand how anyone could call a book in which the main characters reference "God" this much an "easy read". I mean, maybe it's just me, but that gnawing feeling at the base of my skull does not equal an easy read. It's the same feeling that I'd get if I saw someone get shot, only slightly less intense... I shouldn't be forced to feel that way for school.
And I don't remember saying that I'd sue them for making me read this rag. I do, however, remember saying that I wanted to catch them in their double standard, and sue them for enforcing it. Oh, and I didn't realise you were forced to read gaming text to make it through school. I'm sure you're traumatized.(sp?) Seriously, though, I would only sue the school if 1: I got proof that they were enforcing a double standard, or 2: They tried to force me to read religious propaganda.
And I'm serious when I say that it makes me physically uncomfortable to read about religious people. It's, like... Ok, say you're a Christian. You do to school, and you're assigned a book where you have to read about a group of Satanists. They come out on top in the end. Are you happy? Nope. It's kind of like that.
Originally posted by Kuzzle Ok, now you're just being a dick. A Science fair isn't saying "Religion is wrong!" But, as you seem to think that that's what it's saying, you reject all science, in favor of religion? In doing so, you're going against your own religion by using the computer you're on right now? Oh no! Yeah, it's annoying when someone acts like a dick and doesn't make a valid point, isn't it?
And please inform me how how a Religious function is saying "SCIENCE IS WRONG" and asking you to "DENOUNCE SCIENCE AND Follow religion because of this school play !!!"
Hey I have nooooo problem reading about theories or explanations going against my faith... I told you already I do it all day... I think i know more about science than about religion.. But you dont see me complaining do you? You actually remind me alot of how the roman catholics were in medieval times... "What's taht you say!! something that goes against my personal views!?!?!!!! <que war>"
A part of having a good grasp on reality is having your reality and beliefs doubted... Even doubting them yourself...
Take it easy kuzzle... Religion is here... deal with it... it's not like they are forcing you to read the bible or the rig-veda or something... Why you get upset at a few words in a book is beyond me.... Just pretend that religion is ummm hmmm a gay guy... Just leave him alone... let him do what he does aight?
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I don't understand how anyone could call a book in which the main characters reference "God" this much an "easy read". I mean, maybe it's just me, but that gnawing feeling at the base of my skull does not equal an easy read. It's the same feeling that I'd get if I saw someone get shot, only slightly less intense... I shouldn't be forced to feel that way for school. you do realize that God is only 3 letters... What you do is sound out the word... Then read it as a whole
And I don't remember saying that I'd sue them for making me read this rag. I do, however, remember saying that I wanted to catch them in their double standard, and sue them for enforcing it. Oh, and I didn't realise you were forced to read gaming text to make it through school. I'm sure you're traumatized.(sp?) Seriously, though, I would only sue the school if 1: I got proof that they were enforcing a double standard, or 2: They tried to force me to read religious propaganda. What you really want is to do away with your imaginary religion double standard and enforce a scientific double standard...
And I'm serious when I say that it makes me physically uncomfortable to read about religious people. It's, like... Ok, say you're a Christian. You do to school, and you're assigned a book where you have to read about a group of Satanists. They come out on top in the end. Are you happy? Nope. It's kind of like that. Some kids are forced to read Harry Potter at their schools.. does that count as satanic? I mean he does witch craft, he's killed people, he has a mark of a beast ... pretty satanic to me...
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No it isn't. It is explaining the explainable using plausible evidence. Why don't people realize that science and religion can go hand in hand?
What do you mean by hand in hand? you mean co-exist? Well my good friend einstein seemed to believe so...
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Originally posted by Tamalan Make your self a T-Shirt... Organised Religion: Just say No! Tell us what happens
Yes, well, something like that, anyway. Maybe I'mm make one with a cross in a circle, with a line through it. 'Course, that'd involve wearing a cross. But, yeah, I get what you're saying, and I think I might just have to do it one of these days.
My father got my brother a shirt with a not smoking sign on it, and right below that it says "Don't smoke. There are cooler ways to kill yourself." ...So what's my brother do? He wears it while he smokes. *sigh*
Originally posted by Xexima Thats what I was talking about, the double standard. Schools don't allow you to bring satanic bibles or wear anything that could be considered satanic, but they are allowed to bring regular bibles. To say you are not able to bring either would atleast be consistant with no double standard. Why is it extreme when they ban Bibles, but not when they ban satanic bibles? And don't give me the "satanic bible is immoral and wrong, while the bible is moral and right argument," because if you do then you have not read the satanic bible.
Well you do have to understand that satanism is considered to be detrimental to society..
For the most part satanism is about doing anything for personal gain. Not limiting yourself to morals and guide lines but making your own... So if that means stealing/taking advantage/blah blah this that Then you will do it if you want to... And schools can't condone that kind of character in a scholastic setting.
While me personally have no problem with people wearing satanic images and so forth in school or in public or at work... I can understand why its not allowed...
I'm not telling you the satanic bible is immoral... I have no idea I haven't read it... But the methods by which to advance in satanism pretty much goes against societies laws ... Ofcourse this depends on the satanist... since it just pretty much says they can do anything they want as long as they benefit....
And secondly they ban tonnes of books from schools that the board deems harmful...... It's not just limited to specific religions..
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Originally posted by Kuzzle AHH!!! I have to read this dribble for my Language Arts class. It's so friggen' boring! I'm tempted to claw my own eyes out just to get out of reading it! *Screams bloody murder.* Seriously, though, why should I be forced to read about a bunch of religious bigots? Being forced to read about religious people is like having someone hold a drill to the side of my head! It is physically painful! I swear, I've never seen the words "Church", "Hell", "God", or "Devil" written this frequently in my life. I mean, seriously, can't I just say that it's offensive to my beliefs and be done with it? I mean, my science teacher had to give some ridiculous speech before we watched a video in there, all so we wouldn't offend the Christians. It's disgusting, because if you're following a religion, they have to bend things so as not to offend you, but if you're an athiest, they don't give a damn. I'm so sick of this double standard. I could deal with reading this damn book if so many Christians didn't bitch and moan about how Evolution's taught in schools. The fact that all schools are willing to say "Well, evolution's just a theory. You don't have to accept it as truth." only serves to discredit evolution in the public's mind, without showing a thread of evidence against it. Whereas if I, or anyone else for that matter, were to bitch about religion, half the teachers would just stare me down like the wanted to wait until the sun went down, then slit my throat. Ok, so don't get all pissy at me: This thread isn't about whether or not religions hold true, or whether or not evolution's true. It's about this damn double standard. I'm so fucking sick of it.
that book is just about mcartheism, its a representation about how people are when were scared.
it was written when he was being suspected of being a communist sympathizer, and he's saying that with all the soviet scare was is a witch hunt.
until you are forced to read the bible and talk about how great jesus is dont complain.
because reading the bible as literature or history is valid, reading things like sinners in the hands of an angry god is valid because it was one of the first books written in north america.
in reality you read a lot of atheist literature also, like grapes of wrath has little religious context,babbit, the jungle, mcteague.
so its not a double standard.
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Originally posted by Kuzzle I don't understand how anyone could call a book in which the main characters reference "God" this much an "easy read". I mean, maybe it's just me, but that gnawing feeling at the base of my skull does not equal an easy read. It's the same feeling that I'd get if I saw someone get shot, only slightly less intense... I shouldn't be forced to feel that way for school.
You remember in those movies with the posessed entity/demon/vampire/whatever the hell evil creature?
Someone starts spouting verses from the Bible, shove a cross in their face, or splash holy water on them, and they start screaming and yelling about how it pains them and to make it stop, followed by hissing?
You remember in those movies with the posessed entity/demon/vampire/whatever the hell evil creature? Someone starts spouting verses from the Bible, shove a cross in their face, or splash holy water on them, and they start screaming and yelling about how it pains them and to make it stop, followed by hissing? You remind me of that...
Wow, I'm so proud!
Oh, and welcome back, Verg. Haven't seen a post by you in quite some time. Since the "Talladega Nights: funny, or offensive to southerners?" thing, actually. Hm...
Originally posted by methane47 Originally posted by Kuzzle
The fact that all schools are willing to say "Well, evolution's just a theory. You don't have to accept it as truth." only serves to discredit evolution in the public's mind, without showing a thread of evidence against it. Whereas if I, or anyone else for that matter, were to bitch about religion, half the teachers would just stare me down like the wanted to wait until the sun went down, then slit my throat.
So do you suggest that schools teach children that evolution and the big bang are absolute truth?.. And by the way people bitch all day about religion... For example... kids cant pray outloud in some public schools because apparently that is infringing on atheist rights...
Kids are taught evolution in school so they can get a job as a scientist if they ever want to. You go throwing around that creationism stuff in any scientific circle and you're as good as not hired. I mean, the creationism stuff is cute and all, but then there's the real world. And that stuff doesn't hold up to scientific muster.
Originally posted by Vergeltung Originally posted by Kuzzle AHH!!! I have to read this dribble for my Language Arts class. It's so friggen' boring! I'm tempted to claw my own eyes out just to get out of reading it! *Screams bloody murder.* Seriously, though, why should I be forced to read about a bunch of religious bigots? Being forced to read about religious people is like having someone hold a drill to the side of my head! It is physically painful! I swear, I've never seen the words "Church", "Hell", "God", or "Devil" written this frequently in my life. I mean, seriously, can't I just say that it's offensive to my beliefs and be done with it? I mean, my science teacher had to give some ridiculous speech before we watched a video in there, all so we wouldn't offend the Christians. It's disgusting, because if you're following a religion, they have to bend things so as not to offend you, but if you're an athiest, they don't give a damn. I'm so sick of this double standard. I could deal with reading this damn book if so many Christians didn't bitch and moan about how Evolution's taught in schools. The fact that all schools are willing to say "Well, evolution's just a theory. You don't have to accept it as truth." only serves to discredit evolution in the public's mind, without showing a thread of evidence against it. Whereas if I, or anyone else for that matter, were to bitch about religion, half the teachers would just stare me down like the wanted to wait until the sun went down, then slit my throat. Ok, so don't get all pissy at me: This thread isn't about whether or not religions hold true, or whether or not evolution's true. It's about this damn double standard. I'm so fucking sick of it.
that book is just about mcartheism, its a representation about how people are when were scared.
it was written when he was being suspected of being a communist sympathizer, and he's saying that with all the soviet scare was is a witch hunt.
until you are forced to read the bible and talk about how great jesus is dont complain.
because reading the bible as literature or history is valid, reading things like sinners in the hands of an angry god is valid because it was one of the first books written in north america.
in reality you read a lot of atheist literature also, like grapes of wrath has little religious context,babbit, the jungle, mcteague.
so its not a double standard.
I think literature is literature, no matter the bias and I read it all. I just read Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God the other day and we had discussion over it in class. (We talked mostly about how that affected the public at the time, though). I even find the bible to be very good literature, along with many other books based on religious characters.
The reason that there he is saying that there is a double standard is because people make such a fuss about people being taught evolution at schools, but there is absolutely no problem when people teach things that are considered religous. I don't really think that this is much of a double standard, but there is a double standard at schools regarding other policies. Now, if they did away with evolution in favor of intelligent design, then that would become a double standard.
Now, if they did away with evolution in favor of intelligent design, then that would become a double standard.
Weren't some parents pushing for that somewhere? Like, I don't know, in the South, or the MidWest, or something? Yeah, just about everywhere other than the coasts. People are stupid.
Now, if they did away with evolution in favor of intelligent design, then that would become a double standard.
Weren't some parents pushing for that somewhere? Like, I don't know, in the South, or the MidWest, or something? I guess in the south they figured, "what the hell, our schools suck anyways." I mean, how much damage is telling a kid from Alabama that intelligent design exists and evolution doesn't going to do them career wise? The south isn't exactly known for it's great contributions to this country.
Evolution and Intelligent Design quite easily go hand in hand. As a religious person AND a man of science, it's not that hard to believe that God could have set up Evolution.
God set up the rules, and Evolution follows those rules. Form follows function. If you survive, you thrive.
It's not that hard a concept. I mean please, God is by definition Omnipotent. That means being able to work so far beyond our own comprehension that something as straighforward as God setting up Evolution is insanely simplistic.
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Originally posted by reavo Originally posted by Kuzzle
Originally posted by Xexima
Now, if they did away with evolution in favor of intelligent design, then that would become a double standard.
Weren't some parents pushing for that somewhere? Like, I don't know, in the South, or the MidWest, or something? I guess in the south they figured, "what the hell, our schools suck anyways." I mean, how much damage is telling a kid from Alabama that intelligent design exists and evolution doesn't going to do them career wise? The south isn't exactly known for it's great contributions to this country.
Basically, but it isn't as much of "what the hell, our schools suck" as it is "THE BIBLE SAID SO, SO IT IS! HMMFT!" Of course the ones that are most outspoken about it are the ones that seem to be lacking IQ points..
Originally posted by Blurr I don't see why you can't have both. Evolution and Intelligent Design quite easily go hand in hand. As a religious person AND a man of science, it's not that hard to believe that God could have set up Evolution. God set up the rules, and Evolution follows those rules. Form follows function. If you survive, you thrive. It's not that hard a concept. I mean please, God is by definition Omnipotent. That means being able to work so far beyond our own comprehension that something as straighforward as God setting up Evolution is insanely simplistic.
Yes, that wouldn't be that hard to understand, but there are a few issues with it. 1) That isn't what intelligent design is, It is saying that men were placed onto this planet by god, different from god setting up a universe and letting it run its course. 2) They aren't allowed to teach about religion in schools due to the complete lack of evidence it has, and because they will corrupt the minds of the young.
... that "corrupt the minds of the young" thing sounds bad, but it is true.
Originally posted by Xexima Originally posted by reavo Originally posted by Kuzzle
Originally posted by Xexima
Now, if they did away with evolution in favor of intelligent design, then that would become a double standard.
Weren't some parents pushing for that somewhere? Like, I don't know, in the South, or the MidWest, or something? I guess in the south they figured, "what the hell, our schools suck anyways." I mean, how much damage is telling a kid from Alabama that intelligent design exists and evolution doesn't going to do them career wise? The south isn't exactly known for it's great contributions to this country.
Basically, but it isn't as much of "what the hell, our schools suck" as it is "THE BIBLE SAID SO, SO IT IS! HMMFT!" Of course the ones that are most outspoken about it are the ones that seem to be lacking IQ points..
I saw this statistic a few months ago on a website. It showed the intelligence level of different religious groups. It showed that Christians were towards the bottom. And not only did the story say that, but it said that American's consider themselves to be the most religious yet know the least about their religious doctrines than other countries. I guess that's why they remain so religious. The more you learn about the Bible the more you're prone to realize that it's an ancient text that has been outgrown socially.
I guess there was one saving grace for the Christians. The Muslims were one level below them in intelligence. Atheists and Agnostics were at the top. So were the nature religions.
Take that for what it's worth I suppose. I tried to find the site again, but couldn't. I will keep looking.
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Because it's fiction that so many people regard as the truth.
On another note, I half wish I was a satanist, just so I could walk into school covered with demonic symbols, and I could nail them for it if they said anything.
Gotta think of something I could wear that would both represent that I'm an athiest, and drive them crazy because saying anything would be enforcing a double standard. If they did that, I'd sock 'em in the face. Or rather, I'd sue their pathetic asses.
(Edit: Pathetic because they enforce a double standard. Not because they're religious. Don't missunderstand me.)
It's a fiction written about the truth. The Crucible was written to demonstrate how the hypocrisy of Mcarthyism relates to an event in the US's past. This story only exaggerates the truth, but still revolves around what really happened in the 'Salem Witch Trials':
Some girls did some stupid things in the woods related to dark rituals, blamed it on the slave, the slave was asked whether or not she had a deal with the devil (a typical lawyer question: baseless assumption with an answer requiring a statement other than 'yes' or 'no') while being whipped by the the uncle of one of the girls until she finally said 'yes'. The slave eventually said the words the interrogaters wanted to hear to save herself from further pain. The girls used the lie "the devil made me do it!" and then turned it around to say "I saw _____ with the devil when I signed his book!" (replace _____ with the name of any villager the girls disliked). Those convicted people were then taken to court and given two options: 'confess' that they had dealings with the devil, or be hanged.
Salem Witch Trials (setting of The Crucible) = Mcarthyism. That's the point the author is trying to make, and that is why it is studied in American schools. It has nothing to do with religion.
It's actually a really easy-to-read book, I don't know why you're complaining.
As for the double standard, I don't see why being an Athiest would give you reason to sue a teacher or school for being forced to read a government-approved book. The Crucible talks about Puritans, not Athiests. I could just as well sue Wizard of The Coast for publishing the book Thieves of Blood, based in the Eberron Dungeons and Dragons setting, for slander against supernatural demons from another dimension and not warning me about it in the book's foreward or back cover preview.
Seriously, it's just a book. Don't get all 'emo' about having to read it.
Science is considered a religion (explanation of the unexplainable). You're learning another religion in school!!! AAAAARGH!!!
Because it's fiction that so many people regard as the truth.
On another note, I half wish I was a satanist, just so I could walk into school covered with demonic symbols, and I could nail them for it if they said anything.
Gotta think of something I could wear that would both represent that I'm an athiest, and drive them crazy because saying anything would be enforcing a double standard. If they did that, I'd sock 'em in the face. Or rather, I'd sue their pathetic asses.
(Edit: Pathetic because they enforce a double standard. Not because they're religious. Don't missunderstand me.)
I'm converting. I like their outlook on life. Thanks for the idea, I'm going to do it.
I was playing to the OP's paranoia. I was hoping for a more amusing response.
I don't understand how anyone could call a book in which the main characters reference "God" this much an "easy read". I mean, maybe it's just me, but that gnawing feeling at the base of my skull does not equal an easy read. It's the same feeling that I'd get if I saw someone get shot, only slightly less intense...
I shouldn't be forced to feel that way for school.
And I don't remember saying that I'd sue them for making me read this rag. I do, however, remember saying that I wanted to catch them in their double standard, and sue them for enforcing it. Oh, and I didn't realise you were forced to read gaming text to make it through school. I'm sure you're traumatized.(sp?) Seriously, though, I would only sue the school if 1: I got proof that they were enforcing a double standard, or 2: They tried to force me to read religious propaganda.
And I'm serious when I say that it makes me physically uncomfortable to read about religious people. It's, like... Ok, say you're a Christian. You do to school, and you're assigned a book where you have to read about a group of Satanists. They come out on top in the end. Are you happy? Nope. It's kind of like that.
(Oh, and Xex? Great posts, dude!)
Hey I have nooooo problem reading about theories or explanations going against my faith... I told you already I do it all day... I think i know more about science than about religion.. But you dont see me complaining do you? You actually remind me alot of how the roman catholics were in medieval times... "What's taht you say!! something that goes against my personal views!?!?!!!! <que war>"
A part of having a good grasp on reality is having your reality and beliefs doubted... Even doubting them yourself...
Take it easy kuzzle... Religion is here... deal with it... it's not like they are forcing you to read the bible or the rig-veda or something... Why you get upset at a few words in a book is beyond me.... Just pretend that religion is ummm hmmm a gay guy... Just leave him alone... let him do what he does aight?
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Make your self a T-Shirt...
Organised Religion:
Just say No!
Tell us what happens
What's your Wu Name?
Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight
Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader
"Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.."
<i>ME<i>
What do you mean by hand in hand? you mean co-exist? Well my good friend einstein seemed to believe so...
What's your Wu Name?
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Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader
"Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.."
<i>ME<i>
Yes, well, something like that, anyway. Maybe I'mm make one with a cross in a circle, with a line through it. 'Course, that'd involve wearing a cross.
But, yeah, I get what you're saying, and I think I might just have to do it one of these days.
My father got my brother a shirt with a not smoking sign on it, and right below that it says "Don't smoke. There are cooler ways to kill yourself." ...So what's my brother do? He wears it while he smokes. *sigh*
For the most part satanism is about doing anything for personal gain. Not limiting yourself to morals and guide lines but making your own... So if that means stealing/taking advantage/blah blah this that Then you will do it if you want to... And schools can't condone that kind of character in a scholastic setting.
While me personally have no problem with people wearing satanic images and so forth in school or in public or at work... I can understand why its not allowed...
I'm not telling you the satanic bible is immoral... I have no idea I haven't read it... But the methods by which to advance in satanism pretty much goes against societies laws ... Ofcourse this depends on the satanist... since it just pretty much says they can do anything they want as long as they benefit....
And secondly they ban tonnes of books from schools that the board deems harmful...... It's not just limited to specific religions..
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that book is just about mcartheism, its a representation about how people are when were scared.
it was written when he was being suspected of being a communist sympathizer, and he's saying that with all the soviet scare was is a witch hunt.
until you are forced to read the bible and talk about how great jesus is dont complain.
because reading the bible as literature or history is valid, reading things like sinners in the hands of an angry god is valid because it was one of the first books written in north america.
in reality you read a lot of atheist literature also, like grapes of wrath has little religious context,babbit, the jungle, mcteague.
so its not a double standard.
98% of the teenage population does or has tried smoking pot. If you''re one of the 2% who hasn''t, copy & paste this in your signature.
You remember in those movies with the posessed entity/demon/vampire/whatever the hell evil creature?
Someone starts spouting verses from the Bible, shove a cross in their face, or splash holy water on them, and they start screaming and yelling about how it pains them and to make it stop, followed by hissing?
You remind me of that...
Wow, I'm so proud!
Oh, and welcome back, Verg. Haven't seen a post by you in quite some time. Since the "Talladega Nights: funny, or offensive to southerners?" thing, actually. Hm...
And by the way people bitch all day about religion... For example... kids cant pray outloud in some public schools because apparently that is infringing on atheist rights...
Kids are taught evolution in school so they can get a job as a scientist if they ever want to. You go throwing around that creationism stuff in any scientific circle and you're as good as not hired. I mean, the creationism stuff is cute and all, but then there's the real world. And that stuff doesn't hold up to scientific muster.
that book is just about mcartheism, its a representation about how people are when were scared.
it was written when he was being suspected of being a communist sympathizer, and he's saying that with all the soviet scare was is a witch hunt.
until you are forced to read the bible and talk about how great jesus is dont complain.
because reading the bible as literature or history is valid, reading things like sinners in the hands of an angry god is valid because it was one of the first books written in north america.
in reality you read a lot of atheist literature also, like grapes of wrath has little religious context,babbit, the jungle, mcteague.
so its not a double standard.
I think literature is literature, no matter the bias and I read it all. I just read Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God the other day and we had discussion over it in class. (We talked mostly about how that affected the public at the time, though). I even find the bible to be very good literature, along with many other books based on religious characters.
The reason that there he is saying that there is a double standard is because people make such a fuss about people being taught evolution at schools, but there is absolutely no problem when people teach things that are considered religous. I don't really think that this is much of a double standard, but there is a double standard at schools regarding other policies. Now, if they did away with evolution in favor of intelligent design, then that would become a double standard.
Yeah, just about everywhere other than the coasts. People are stupid.
Quoted for truth.
I guess in the south they figured, "what the hell, our schools suck anyways." I mean, how much damage is telling a kid from Alabama that intelligent design exists and evolution doesn't going to do them career wise? The south isn't exactly known for it's great contributions to this country.
I don't see why you can't have both.
Evolution and Intelligent Design quite easily go hand in hand. As a religious person AND a man of science, it's not that hard to believe that God could have set up Evolution.
God set up the rules, and Evolution follows those rules. Form follows function. If you survive, you thrive.
It's not that hard a concept. I mean please, God is by definition Omnipotent. That means being able to work so far beyond our own comprehension that something as straighforward as God setting up Evolution is insanely simplistic.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
I guess in the south they figured, "what the hell, our schools suck anyways." I mean, how much damage is telling a kid from Alabama that intelligent design exists and evolution doesn't going to do them career wise? The south isn't exactly known for it's great contributions to this country.
Basically, but it isn't as much of "what the hell, our schools suck" as it is "THE BIBLE SAID SO, SO IT IS! HMMFT!" Of course the ones that are most outspoken about it are the ones that seem to be lacking IQ points..
... that "corrupt the minds of the young" thing sounds bad, but it is true.
I guess in the south they figured, "what the hell, our schools suck anyways." I mean, how much damage is telling a kid from Alabama that intelligent design exists and evolution doesn't going to do them career wise? The south isn't exactly known for it's great contributions to this country.
Basically, but it isn't as much of "what the hell, our schools suck" as it is "THE BIBLE SAID SO, SO IT IS! HMMFT!" Of course the ones that are most outspoken about it are the ones that seem to be lacking IQ points..
I saw this statistic a few months ago on a website. It showed the intelligence level of different religious groups. It showed that Christians were towards the bottom. And not only did the story say that, but it said that American's consider themselves to be the most religious yet know the least about their religious doctrines than other countries. I guess that's why they remain so religious. The more you learn about the Bible the more you're prone to realize that it's an ancient text that has been outgrown socially.
I guess there was one saving grace for the Christians. The Muslims were one level below them in intelligence. Atheists and Agnostics were at the top. So were the nature religions.
Take that for what it's worth I suppose. I tried to find the site again, but couldn't. I will keep looking.