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mjkittredge
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I heard that Orcs (and possibly goblins, & dwarves) will not have female characters. Are there any other races where you won't get to make a female? And what is the reaction from females, or just anybody who would prefer to make a female character? I know, female orcs and dwarves would be gross, but how the hell do these races pro-create? The only female I know of is the Dark Elf one in the movie. So dark elves get females, probably humans and high elves too, any others?
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I see it as a non-issue. If not being able to create a Orc female keeps anyone away from the game... They likely wouldn't have enjoyed the game anyway.
The greenskins are spawned from mushrooms, that is why they don't have females. They're technically asexual.
However, all other races CAN and WILL have females.
Hope that helps.
And it would contradict Warhammer lore a bit if over half the elves and humans are female, seeing as there are only a few miniatures for both that are female (and those are casters). Dark Elves on the other hand will be full of extremely white female elves with black hair and very skimpy outfits. I don't think I've ever seen, or would ever want to see, a chaos female.
If you want to see hot women, the internet's full of porn, and so is Digital TV. Too many female toons in a war-based game always take away from the "immersion".
IMO in WAR they should make female characters (other than Dark Elves) only playable by women
Watch the one that says "Yes We Have Girl Dwarves". It shows the female dwarf model. Now, I'm almost 100% sure, that I read somewhere that female dwarves will NOT have beards in WAR. I Just can't remember where.
This rule however, I do NOT believe applies to every race. Skaven for example. Now Skaven/Lizardmen are the most accepted "expansion races" being suggested on warhammeralliance.com, and this brings up an interesting dilemma. Female skaven are WORTHLESS is skaven society, basically being giant bloated breeding centers, who in no way would go out and "adventure" like your average MMO character.
In my opinion this should be changed. As it is not really a stressed or important piece of Skaven fluff, and since we shouldn't be alienating female players, I think they should be allowed. I don't however want rat-"furries" or beautiful rat-women. I want hideous diseased rat-hags, just like their male counterparts.
I also don't think we should eliminate the thought of female "characters" because they don't exist in minature form. Let's be honest. GW had no plans of an MMO when designing Warhammer, and therefore they would feel no need to make "female lizardMEN". I however, think they should be in game.
That is a pretty good idea how Dwarf chicks will look like. Its the concept art to the left.
so, bottom line: Greenskins get no chicks cause, beside some nightmare-inducing orcs cheerleaders, the lore do not support them.
Every other race will have females and males. Yes, it is maybe a bit against the lore as the historical european setting+ morcock chaos setting that WAR uses do not really support females in the fighting armies beside a few exceptions, but i do not see it as a big thing.
Skavens also will have no females, as the lore support this, but skavens are not a starting race, so who knows.
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
AAAGGGG bo for the love of god put it away!!!
Seriously tho most races in warhammer ahve females ill list them here
Scaven = breeding centres
Dwarfs = do have them and i see no reason not to have them.
Elves of any sort = have females who do fight too
Humans = ive read that humans have females too
Orks = They dont have females they reproduce like mushrooms constantly shedding spores. So in a way the orcs are both male and female.
Lizardmen = dont have females they are spawned in pools as tadpoles by the old ones design with no females aparently
Chaos = do ahve females many are quite good looking [some unatrally so] and some are hideouse but they do ahppen and they do fight.
I personally dont see why every race has to ahve females its all part of the Lore after all.
Waaahg!
"What's a cocksmoker?"
Your going to buy the game and read the manual and it is going to say right there "Orcs are genderless and come from space mushrooms" Normal people will say "ok" or "that's wierd" I doubt many people will freak out and go to the forums demanding Orcs become gender based.
Hmm the answer to this topic would be;
Make goblins sexier, here we have the "female" orc
Add slayers for dwarves, here we have the "female" dwarf
Maybe I have an advantage here, because I'm not that into the rights and wrongs, so I'm not crying if they change some lore, or give the dwarves women or whatever.
"What's a cocksmoker?"
I guess some weird orc or goblin could be a pansy and wear flowers on his armor instead of dwarven heads.
And I still hold on to the fact that female characters should not be as abundant as male ones due to immersion issues. Seriously, there are other places to see virtual or non-virtual females than in a MMO. And I don't think any of the ladies mind picking a male character over a female character just as men don't seem to mind picking female toons. One in ten to one in four female characters is the kind of balance I'd like to see. Since no female dwarfs are ever mentioned in the tabletop game, I don't think they should make them playable. Maybe a few NPCs but that's it. And if they do put in dwarf females as playable toons, make them the version that has a slightly shorter beard than the male dwarf. I'm sick and tired of lorelolling and ignoring immersion thanks to WoW.
Immersion > freedom of choice
When it comes down to MMOs. Warcraft could get away with all the Night Elf women since most of the warriors of the night elves were female by lore (as the witches of the Dark Elves should predominantly be in WAR).
Well, that's ok, you're all gonna die pretty fast anyway.
Vipex out
"What's a cocksmoker?"
I guess some weird orc or goblin could be a pansy and wear flowers on his armor instead of dwarven heads.
And I still hold on to the fact that female characters should not be as abundant as male ones due to immersion issues. Seriously, there are other places to see virtual or non-virtual females than in a MMO. And I don't think any of the ladies mind picking a male character over a female character just as men don't seem to mind picking female toons. One in ten to one in four female characters is the kind of balance I'd like to see. Since no female dwarfs are ever mentioned in the tabletop game, I don't think they should make them playable. Maybe a few NPCs but that's it. And if they do put in dwarf females as playable toons, make them the version that has a slightly shorter beard than the male dwarf. I'm sick and tired of lorelolling and ignoring immersion thanks to WoW.
Immersion > freedom of choice
When it comes down to MMOs. Warcraft could get away with all the Night Elf women since most of the warriors of the night elves were female by lore (as the witches of the Dark Elves should predominantly be in WAR).
No one's complaining about there being no Greenskin females. I'm
talking about the OTHER races. Please stop spouting the same rhetoric
over and over, because it's driving me insane.
I personally don't care what lore reasons are behind there not being
female greenskins, it is STILL alienating a part of the playerbase.
Now, don't get me wrong. I don't think there should be female
Greenskins either, I'm simply stating that just because something
exists in the pre-concieved lore of a tabletop game, doesn't mean you
should automatically make it a rule based on an MMO game. The tabletop
game cannot be totally translated into a succesful and balance MMO.
It's impossible, because one is focused on expendable army fodder, and
one on a sole hero among many.
Seriously, don't give me that immersion bullcrap. I care about
immersion as much as the next guy, but seeing female warriors does not
"take me out of the game". Such thoughts are frankly juvenile and
asinine. Yes, there are other places to see females. WHAT IS YOUR
POINT? MMOs are about playing a CHARACTER, and about FREEDOM. Many
people like to play themselves in MMOs, and if the majority of the
playerbase is female (which it of course won't be
then I'd fully expect and welcome a world where the majority of warring
combatants are female. Female Dwarfs should be playable, because they
aren't mentioned as not existing in the lore. The minatures don't
represent the entirety of Dwarfen society or culture. Guess what?
Orcs can be shaman in the minatures. Witch Elves and demons are often
nude in the miniatures. There aren't any Orc "ironclaws" in the
minatures.
THIS IS NOT AN EXACT TRANSLATION OF THE TABLETOP. If that's what your
expecting, then I suggest you go play MoC, or perhaps..and this is a
crazy idea..THE ACTUAL TABLETOP. *gasp**shock**sputter**monocle fall*
If you couldn't immerse yourself in WoW, then that's your problem. I
simply wouldn't have played the game. However, I had no probleming
immersing myself in the world of Azeroth, and I fully expect the
immersion in WAR to be 100x better. Women not having beards doesn't
break immersion. It just breaks some little lorenuts completely
unrealistic and uncompromising expectations for this game.
Just remember, game mechanics win over lore everytime, or else the game
suffers.
talking about the OTHER races. Please stop spouting the same rhetoric
over and over, because it's driving me insane.
I personally don't care what lore reasons are behind there not being
female greenskins, it is STILL alienating a part of the playerbase.
Now, don't get me wrong. I don't think there should be female
Greenskins either, I'm simply stating that just because something
exists in the pre-concieved lore of a tabletop game, doesn't mean you
should automatically make it a rule based on an MMO game. The tabletop
game cannot be totally translated into a succesful and balance MMO.
It's impossible, because one is focused on expendable army fodder, and
one on a sole hero among many.
Seriously, don't give me that immersion bullcrap. I care about
immersion as much as the next guy, but seeing female warriors does not
"take me out of the game". Such thoughts are frankly juvenile and
asinine. Yes, there are other places to see females. WHAT IS YOUR
POINT? MMOs are about playing a CHARACTER, and about FREEDOM. Many
people like to play themselves in MMOs, and if the majority of the
playerbase is female (which it of course won't be
then I'd fully expect and welcome a world where the majority of warring
combatants are female. Female Dwarfs should be playable, because they
aren't mentioned as not existing in the lore. The minatures don't
represent the entirety of Dwarfen society or culture. Guess what?
Orcs can be shaman in the minatures. Witch Elves and demons are often
nude in the miniatures. There aren't any Orc "ironclaws" in the
minatures.
THIS IS NOT AN EXACT TRANSLATION OF THE TABLETOP. If that's what your
expecting, then I suggest you go play MoC, or perhaps..and this is a
crazy idea..THE ACTUAL TABLETOP. *gasp**shock**sputter**monocle fall*
If you couldn't immerse yourself in WoW, then that's your problem. I
simply wouldn't have played the game. However, I had no probleming
immersing myself in the world of Azeroth, and I fully expect the
immersion in WAR to be 100x better. Women not having beards doesn't
break immersion. It just breaks some little lorenuts completely
unrealistic and uncompromising expectations for this game.
Just remember, game mechanics win over lore everytime, or else the game
suffers.
And I am giving you the immersion bullcrap. It's what's been missing from many games and what makes a game in my eyes. Originally I thought WoW had great immersion. But then came level 60, the patches and the lorelols. In WoW the world was a lot less grim and more cartoonlike, paving a way for female toons. Also the fact that the toons were not all megababes and their animations were done well added to their appeal.
Please explain to me what is juvenile about wanting a game with solid lore and a setting to back it up? I can understand being called asinine, but juvenile does not fit the conservative standpoint I'm taking.
Of course this isn't going to be an exact translation from the tabletop, otherwise there would be only 4 levels, fodder, champion, lord, and warlord. Fodder would die of one hit unless their armor was in the way or the enemy missed. Also classes would be very similar with no special moves and only a few stats/weapons to set them apart. Although this will not be the case, the orcs still look like orcs, goblins look like goblins, dwarves look like dwarves, warriors look like warriors, and women have limited carreer options. So you want to take this part out as well do you? Might as well call it DaOC inside the Warhammer world then.
Being able to choose a female character has very little to do with game
mechanics, except maybe they're smaller and can hide behind bushes so
every person who wants an advantage in pvp picks one.
The more they concentrate on making a grim but silly Warhammer world, where helpless women and children are slaughtered by chaos and dwarf females can't be distinguished from the males, the better I think the game will be. I say have quotas for female characters, and no "cute" dwarf females. People who pay their account as women can have a female avatar from the get-go, but others will have to stick to the quota.
It's just an opinion man, so chill. Besides I think they'll take a populistic route regardless of my rants. After all the people they want to migrate from WoW to WAR after the initial incursion by Warhammer fanatics will "feel restricted" for not being able to stare at a hot elf's buttocks all day.
No one's complaining about there being no Greenskin females. I'm
talking about the OTHER races. Please stop spouting the same rhetoric
over and over, because it's driving me insane.
I personally don't care what lore reasons are behind there not being
female greenskins, it is STILL alienating a part of the playerbase.
Now, don't get me wrong. I don't think there should be female
Greenskins either, I'm simply stating that just because something
exists in the pre-concieved lore of a tabletop game, doesn't mean you
should automatically make it a rule based on an MMO game. The tabletop
game cannot be totally translated into a succesful and balance MMO.
It's impossible, because one is focused on expendable army fodder, and
one on a sole hero among many.
Seriously, don't give me that immersion bullcrap. I care about
immersion as much as the next guy, but seeing female warriors does not
"take me out of the game". Such thoughts are frankly juvenile and
asinine. Yes, there are other places to see females. WHAT IS YOUR
POINT? MMOs are about playing a CHARACTER, and about FREEDOM. Many
people like to play themselves in MMOs, and if the majority of the
playerbase is female (which it of course won't be
then I'd fully expect and welcome a world where the majority of warring
combatants are female. Female Dwarfs should be playable, because they
aren't mentioned as not existing in the lore. The minatures don't
represent the entirety of Dwarfen society or culture. Guess what?
Orcs can be shaman in the minatures. Witch Elves and demons are often
nude in the miniatures. There aren't any Orc "ironclaws" in the
minatures.
THIS IS NOT AN EXACT TRANSLATION OF THE TABLETOP. If that's what your
expecting, then I suggest you go play MoC, or perhaps..and this is a
crazy idea..THE ACTUAL TABLETOP. *gasp**shock**sputter**monocle fall*
If you couldn't immerse yourself in WoW, then that's your problem. I
simply wouldn't have played the game. However, I had no probleming
immersing myself in the world of Azeroth, and I fully expect the
immersion in WAR to be 100x better. Women not having beards doesn't
break immersion. It just breaks some little lorenuts completely
unrealistic and uncompromising expectations for this game.
Just remember, game mechanics win over lore everytime, or else the game
suffers.
The other races? I thoughs someone answered that allready.. All races will have females, only not orcs. The reason why we're still talking about dwarves is that some warhammer fanatincs are so grumpy about the dwarf females will be against the warhammer lore something, and the reason why everyone is talking about Orcs is simply because it's the only race that will not have female/male characters. And we're not making this a rule because it's like that in the tabletop, it's actually confirmed. There will be no femenine looking orcs. Oh, and who said WAR will be an exact copy of the tabletop?
I'll have to agree with you on the "immersion" part. But if I understand you correctly, you played WoW. It kind of takes away the immersion when a tiny gn0me that reaches you to your knees ambushes you with a sword that is 5 times as big as himself, and actually manages to kill you.
There you go, have a nice day.
"What's a cocksmoker?"
I totally agree with you on this one.
Wow, I need to stop talking about WoW all the time. WoW WoW WoW...
"What's a cocksmoker?"
Unless the female is the colored one and the sketch is just a really short human, no.
EDIT: brainfart. What I meant to say was:
Unless the female is the sketch and the colored one is a male, no.
*zap*
The other races? I thoughs someone answered that allready.. All races will have females, only not orcs. The reason why we're still talking about dwarves is that some warhammer fanatincs are so grumpy about the dwarf females will be against the warhammer lore something, and the reason why everyone is talking about Orcs is simply because it's the only race that will not have female/male characters. And we're not making this a rule because it's like that in the tabletop, it's actually confirmed. There will be no femenine looking orcs. Oh, and who said WAR will be an exact copy of the tabletop?
I'll have to agree with you on the "immersion" part. But if I understand you correctly, you played WoW. It kind of takes away the immersion when a tiny gn0me that reaches you to your knees ambushes you with a sword that is 5 times as big as himself, and actually manages to kill you.
There you go, have a nice day.
I was speaking on expansion races. Female lizardMEN and skaven females (who are depicted horrible in lore).
I already know there will be no female-looking Orcs, and fail to see why you keep bringing it up.
And I always thought the gnomes were a horrible race to begin with, but I got over it. Gnome Warlocks are actually pretty cool when you think about some small little shrimp throwing demons at you. Gnome Warriors is just retarded though.
*zap*
*zing*
I was speaking on expansion races. Female lizardMEN and skaven females (who are depicted horrible in lore).
I already know there will be no female-looking Orcs, and fail to see why you keep bringing it up.
And I always thought the gnomes were a horrible race to begin with, but I got over it. Gnome Warlocks are actually pretty cool when you think about some small little shrimp throwing demons at you. Gnome Warriors is just retarded though.
Oh, I see.. am I really that off?
And I didn't mean to continue bitching about the Orc thing.. I was just pointing out why people is so engaged in this matter, not that I didn't think you ware too stupid to see it yourself.
I don't know about Lizardmen/Skaven, but WAR comes out in allmoust a year, and I would guess for the expansion to take about another year, so I'm not too troubled about this.. yet.
"What's a cocksmoker?"
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