Originally posted by lillin I do not know what astounds me more, your lack of reading comprehension, or lack of logical thought. Any rate you still havent answered the question, still waiting .............Is watching the begining movie over and over fun to you? Is going online and sitting in antonica begging for coin fun to you?
So how exactly was i wrong?
First off, for EQ2 noobs you can add this to your eq2.ini to skip the movie from now till the end of time:
cl_movie_enabled 0
As to the begging, why did you do that? Money in EQ2 is fairly easy to get just by doing a few quests.
There, your questions answered, you can go find some other thread related to SoE games and flame people there.
for real, ty Celestian. geez, Lil, u just cant seem to play nice with any1 lately, can u? this all goes back to ur entitled to ur opinion, and we r entitled to our opinion.
i think that the reason that u arent having fun in EQII anymore, lil, is just what u said. theyre starting to get too repetitive for u. ive seen this many times with other players in other games. now, u can play a game any way u want, im not ur boss, or dad. but i find that when i play and grind just so i can get to the higher lvls so i can b "uber", that i lose interest in the game much quicker than if i take me time and enjoy every detail that the game has to offer. for instance, in Hero Online, me biggest goal was to get to lvl 40 quick so i could start a guild. did that, set new goal to get to 50 so i could choose 2nd job quick, did that. by this time, the game is starting to wear on me, cause all im doing is grinding every freagin day so i can get to the goal i set. once i got to 50, i started to run out of things to set a goal on, so me next goal was to get to 55 and get the components i needed to make a uber sword, did that. couldnt think of too many more things that i wanted to accomplish, so i set next goal to get to next lvl, lol. did that, started to get really bored with the daily grind, mine, answer guild problem questions, powerlvl guildies, mediate guild quabbles, rinse and repeat. so u see, its not really the game that is the problem, but me idea of fun in the game. in a game like EQII, where there r so many different things that u can do at lower lvls, u can relax (which is where the fun is suppose to b), and enjoy exploring, mining, foresting, trapping, fishing, baking, redecorating ur house, reading ingame books, taking pictures of that coolass moon, crafting of any kind, shopping, hunting, questing, or raiding when u get high enough lvl to do so(im not, so i dont really know any thing about that yet). most other games dont offer half those things, and f2p games, forget about it. but in answer to what u said, lil, what u need to do is, take about a wk off from all games, then come back and start at lvl 1 and just work ur way slowly through the game. not saying u have to do this, its ur choice, i just think that it would do u some good to forget about all the cool things u get to do at high lvls and enjoy being a noob char for a while. u can really get some good laughs at some of the clowns that ass.ume ur a noob just cause ur using a noob char. and the funniest exps is when u just let them think that u r, lol.
Vanguard promises to b as indepth as EQII and deeper still, yes i will try it out. cause its looking like it may just b the perfect game for me. Morrowind meets MMO. ive been wanting a game like that for yrs now. nothing quite gets it, but maybe vanguard just might.
i dont care who publishes it, if its designed well, im good.
to the lady cleo wannabe: nice prediction, but think that ur gonna find ur foot can really make ur jaws ache after a while. difficult to eat like that too.
Moirae still hasn't answered my simple question. ( what is they find so enjoyible about eq2 ) For some one praising how great and fun it is, this should not be a problem.
Celestian is jumping on the bashing train by bashing off of Moirae's poor reading comprehension ability. Neither one of them got that i was making fun of a certain type of player that is wildly popular in WoW i mean eq2 .....
PlanoMM other than his lack of splitting thoughts into paragraphs, using the word " my " instead of " me " and abundant forms shorthand/leetspeak, has yet again reared his head into business that has nothing to do with his hollow reviews and 6 hours of eq2 gameplay. My favorite saying from him thus far being ............ " didnt me to offend anyone by this when its plain as day the intention of the post was to incite and rile ............ forums are fun for that though ......... guess ill have to sway my opinions a little more into other areas i tend to avoid.
Come lomiller ............... your all thats missing from the brigade ...
Lillian, it's just that you haven't read. I find everything about EQ2 enjoyable except the zoning. Or can't you be bothered to actually read? I've said that on a number of posts.
Now, are you gearing for a fight? Because I was trying to back down from it before I said something horribly nasty to you. Why do you think I haven't directly answered you?
So far you enjoy everything about eq2 except the zoning. Ok still not a real answer im afraid though you did give 1 example of what you don't like.
Say something horribly nasty it only proves your irrational behavior, doesnt bother many any at all. Do i want a fight? no, i simply want a real answer, one that you still have not supplied. You have not givin one direct detailed answer in leu of my question of what you enjoy about eq2. Everything huh, well whats everything? We know you dont like zoning, still have no clue what everything is .......
And just for the record, you can fight Lillian all ya want to, i dont care
Then what the heck are you after? You want me to go into detail about everything? I don't want to bother typing it all out. It doesn't take many brains to realize what "What I like about EQ2 is everything but the zoning" means.
I think you're trolling and trying to cause problems.
i mean, ur clearly not wanting to start a fight. its obvious to me, that all the rest of us r just jerks that r treating u very badly. i mean, seriously, with me; oops, MY, offensive leetspeak, mo's obviously offensive enjoyment of an aweful game, and cele's.......well, just posting in a forum that u own, now thats just wrong!
come on guys, god, what kind of monsters r we? lil, im so sry for not typing everything out for u; oops, i mean, you. u; urrr...you deserve so much more respect from me, i clearly shouldnt have posted in the forum, seeing as how ur opinion on.....well everything, is the law. i apologize, wont happen again.
I think lillin isn't just talking about Everquest II but the genre itself as well. But lillin is using the game as a close example to what he/she thinks MMORPGs have become(I am assuming). I can't totally agree, but then again I can.
I agree with the whole "true fantasy". Where is the content that makes me the hero through the eyes of the community on my server? Where's the story arc which allows players to make a difference? Where's the dynamic change? It's really hard to find a MMORPG that actually has that.
I remember when Bael'zharon in Asheron's Call descended upon Dereth. That is probably one of the best events I've every participated in, and I haven't experienced anything like that outside of AC. Your experience with Bael'zharon was completely different from someone elses. I remember my Allegiance got word he was attacking the town Eastham. We ran to the rescue, and Bael'zharon personally threatened all of us. I personally remember when BZ finished off 5 of my allegiance members. He then pointed(literally with the emote) in my direction telling me that I was next and there was no one to stop him from taking my life.
Of course there's that video where Bael'zharon arrives at Fort Teth and just eliminates everyone in the town. And on the Frostfell server there was a fight between a player name Faze(considered the strongest on our server) and Bael'zharon one night. That was awesome, even though Faze had no chance of winning against him. But even though he lost, Faze gained even more popularity after that. It wasn't like Pat's High Warlord Tauren Warrior who gained popularity from damage dealing in WoW, but Faze gained it simply because he was considered a "hero" in a sense.
But guess who came to the rescue. He just randomly appeared, Asheron himself! That was awesome considering he was just lore. And the players who defeated Bael'zharon were noticeable after the two month event because they were rewarded with an event item that had Bael'zharon's head on a stick.
Everquest universe is vast from console games, to other MMORPGs set in different timelines. It's time for someone to step up to the plate and use the lore to their advantage(same goes with other static MMOs).
I won't be touching Vanguard. It looks great but it's basic design from what I've read is everything I dislike about MMORPGs. I don't like the complete dependency on other classes, the forced grouping that seems to be the focus. Now I could be wrong about this but I do remember when I read up on Vanguard on their site I did not like what I read. Not to mention those in important roles behind the game are those that were in Everquest and during their time I didn't care for the game and only started to like it after they left. Their version of EQ1 was frustrating work and I wouldn't be surprised if Vanguard was the same.
who cares who a game is made by, i mean you may think a game may not be good at first because of who it is made by, but if it turns out to be the "revolutionary mmorpg everyone has been waiting for" im sure you would give it a try... at least try not to be so shallow
It's not about being shallow. It's about the ideas and beliefs the people behind the game tend to have. If I disagree with their ideas and feelings on certain things then chances are those ideas and beliefs will in the game and I won't like the game. That's really what it comes down to. If an author expresses his or her ideas on a particular subject and you disagree with them or their take on a subject. Are you then going to spend money and time reading that book knowing full well you don't like the authors ideas? So why do it with a game? I've seen what they have done before with Everquest and I didn't like it. It sands to reason that should be a decent judge of what they might do with Vanguard, especially if their core ideas and beliefs are still the same from game to game.
I don't care how "revolutionary" someone says something might be. If I don't like the idea behind it, which in terms influences the game design and actual gameplay how is that shallow? Shallow would be not playing something because I don't like the character design or perhaps the color scheme or the box the game comes in. Even then that might not be shallow if a person has a good reason for disliking these aspects and feel it will effect the gameplay.
See, you proved my point for me, you said the magic word IF. You have no idea what these people are thinking, the ideas could be the same, but maybe they want to mix it up a bit this time. Also, your book theory is way off man. Maybe Shakespear agreed that people should be alowed to own guns, and you think there should never be a gun in anyones house. Now Shakespear sits down to write a book about a guy that saved his family by using the gun that he had in his house, and everyone that reads it loves it... you wouldnt read it? It could turn out to be the best book you have ever read in your entire life, and you would miss out by being SHALLOW. Thats what shallow is man. Anyway my whole point here is that unless a company makes a game or games that are seriously just completely dreadfully made, you cant knock the next game. Your just saying you didnt exactly enjoy the concept behind other highly popular games. So obviously its just as everyone says on this site over and over, maybe it just wasnt for you, but the next game they make could be.
I think Vanguard will be the punch in your stomage that makes you run out of air.
It looked promising, but it's lethal to anticipate MMO's. Now SOE are in the picture, and after the SWG incident I simply just cannot have any hope left.
Right now, vanguard feels a bit like DNL. Big, promising... a total flop.
$OE lies list http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0 " And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
Cant really say if your switching if you havent tried it yet. But I sure will try it. The basic ideas and features sounds very good to me - far too many games have been leaning towards the easy and simple gameplay of WoW since its release.
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I do not know what astounds me more, your lack of reading comprehension, or lack of logical thought.
Any rate you still havent answered the question, still waiting .........
First off, for EQ2 noobs you can add this to your eq2.ini to skip the movie from now till the end of time:
cl_movie_enabled 0
As to the begging, why did you do that? Money in EQ2 is fairly easy to get just by doing a few quests.
There, your questions answered, you can go find some other thread related to SoE games and flame people there.
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for real, ty Celestian. geez, Lil, u just cant seem to play nice with any1 lately, can u? this all goes back to ur entitled to ur opinion, and we r entitled to our opinion.
i think that the reason that u arent having fun in EQII anymore, lil, is just what u said. theyre starting to get too repetitive for u. ive seen this many times with other players in other games. now, u can play a game any way u want, im not ur boss, or dad. but i find that when i play and grind just so i can get to the higher lvls so i can b "uber", that i lose interest in the game much quicker than if i take me time and enjoy every detail that the game has to offer. for instance, in Hero Online, me biggest goal was to get to lvl 40 quick so i could start a guild. did that, set new goal to get to 50 so i could choose 2nd job quick, did that. by this time, the game is starting to wear on me, cause all im doing is grinding every freagin day so i can get to the goal i set. once i got to 50, i started to run out of things to set a goal on, so me next goal was to get to 55 and get the components i needed to make a uber sword, did that. couldnt think of too many more things that i wanted to accomplish, so i set next goal to get to next lvl, lol. did that, started to get really bored with the daily grind, mine, answer guild problem questions, powerlvl guildies, mediate guild quabbles, rinse and repeat. so u see, its not really the game that is the problem, but me idea of fun in the game. in a game like EQII, where there r so many different things that u can do at lower lvls, u can relax (which is where the fun is suppose to b), and enjoy exploring, mining, foresting, trapping, fishing, baking, redecorating ur house, reading ingame books, taking pictures of that coolass moon, crafting of any kind, shopping, hunting, questing, or raiding when u get high enough lvl to do so(im not, so i dont really know any thing about that yet). most other games dont offer half those things, and f2p games, forget about it. but in answer to what u said, lil, what u need to do is, take about a wk off from all games, then come back and start at lvl 1 and just work ur way slowly through the game. not saying u have to do this, its ur choice, i just think that it would do u some good to forget about all the cool things u get to do at high lvls and enjoy being a noob char for a while. u can really get some good laughs at some of the clowns that ass.ume ur a noob just cause ur using a noob char. and the funniest exps is when u just let them think that u r, lol.
Vanguard promises to b as indepth as EQII and deeper still, yes i will try it out. cause its looking like it may just b the perfect game for me. Morrowind meets MMO. ive been wanting a game like that for yrs now. nothing quite gets it, but maybe vanguard just might.
i dont care who publishes it, if its designed well, im good.
to the lady cleo wannabe: nice prediction, but think that ur gonna find ur foot can really make ur jaws ache after a while. difficult to eat like that too.
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Lets add this up real quick.
Moirae still hasn't answered my simple question. ( what is they find so enjoyible about eq2 ) For some one praising how great and fun it is, this should not be a problem.
Celestian is jumping on the bashing train by bashing off of Moirae's poor reading comprehension ability. Neither one of them got that i was making fun of a certain type of player that is wildly popular in WoW i mean eq2 .....
PlanoMM other than his lack of splitting thoughts into paragraphs, using the word " my " instead of " me " and abundant forms shorthand/leetspeak, has yet again reared his head into business that has nothing to do with his hollow reviews and 6 hours of eq2 gameplay. My favorite saying from him thus far being ............ " didnt me to offend anyone by this when its plain as day the intention of the post was to incite and rile ............ forums are fun for that though ......... guess ill have to sway my opinions a little more into other areas i tend to avoid.
Come lomiller ............... your all thats missing from the brigade ...
oh and Moirae, still waiting ............
Now, are you gearing for a fight? Because I was trying to back down from it before I said something horribly nasty to you. Why do you think I haven't directly answered you?
Simple still no answer to my original question.
So far you enjoy everything about eq2 except the zoning. Ok still not a real answer im afraid though you did give 1 example of what you don't like.
Say something horribly nasty it only proves your irrational behavior, doesnt bother many any at all. Do i want a fight? no, i simply want a real answer, one that you still have not supplied. You have not givin one direct detailed answer in leu of my question of what you enjoy about eq2. Everything huh, well whats everything? We know you dont like zoning, still have no clue what everything is .......
And just for the record, you can fight Lillian all ya want to, i dont care
Then what the heck are you after? You want me to go into detail about everything? I don't want to bother typing it all out. It doesn't take many brains to realize what "What I like about EQ2 is everything but the zoning" means.
I think you're trolling and trying to cause problems.
wow, i really dont know what else to say.....
i mean, ur clearly not wanting to start a fight. its obvious to me, that all the rest of us r just jerks that r treating u very badly. i mean, seriously, with me; oops, MY, offensive leetspeak, mo's obviously offensive enjoyment of an aweful game, and cele's.......well, just posting in a forum that u own, now thats just wrong!
come on guys, god, what kind of monsters r we? lil, im so sry for not typing everything out for u; oops, i mean, you. u; urrr...you deserve so much more respect from me, i clearly shouldnt have posted in the forum, seeing as how ur opinion on.....well everything, is the law. i apologize, wont happen again.
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I think lillin isn't just talking about Everquest II but the genre itself as well. But lillin is using the game as a close example to what he/she thinks MMORPGs have become(I am assuming). I can't totally agree, but then again I can.
I agree with the whole "true fantasy". Where is the content that makes me the hero through the eyes of the community on my server? Where's the story arc which allows players to make a difference? Where's the dynamic change? It's really hard to find a MMORPG that actually has that.
I remember when Bael'zharon in Asheron's Call descended upon Dereth. That is probably one of the best events I've every participated in, and I haven't experienced anything like that outside of AC. Your experience with Bael'zharon was completely different from someone elses. I remember my Allegiance got word he was attacking the town Eastham. We ran to the rescue, and Bael'zharon personally threatened all of us. I personally remember when BZ finished off 5 of my allegiance members. He then pointed(literally with the emote) in my direction telling me that I was next and there was no one to stop him from taking my life.
Of course there's that video where Bael'zharon arrives at Fort Teth and just eliminates everyone in the town. And on the Frostfell server there was a fight between a player name Faze(considered the strongest on our server) and Bael'zharon one night. That was awesome, even though Faze had no chance of winning against him. But even though he lost, Faze gained even more popularity after that. It wasn't like Pat's High Warlord Tauren Warrior who gained popularity from damage dealing in WoW, but Faze gained it simply because he was considered a "hero" in a sense.
But guess who came to the rescue. He just randomly appeared, Asheron himself! That was awesome considering he was just lore. And the players who defeated Bael'zharon were noticeable after the two month event because they were rewarded with an event item that had Bael'zharon's head on a stick.
Everquest universe is vast from console games, to other MMORPGs set in different timelines. It's time for someone to step up to the plate and use the lore to their advantage(same goes with other static MMOs).
we all understood what lillian was talking about, but the way he/she went about it was wrong.
anyway, that Asheron lore story was awesome, they do need to do something like that in EQII, that would rock!
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I won't be touching Vanguard. It looks great but it's basic design from what I've read is everything I dislike about MMORPGs. I don't like the complete dependency on other classes, the forced grouping that seems to be the focus. Now I could be wrong about this but I do remember when I read up on Vanguard on their site I did not like what I read. Not to mention those in important roles behind the game are those that were in Everquest and during their time I didn't care for the game and only started to like it after they left. Their version of EQ1 was frustrating work and I wouldn't be surprised if Vanguard was the same.
It's not about being shallow. It's about the ideas and beliefs the people behind the game tend to have. If I disagree with their ideas and feelings on certain things then chances are those ideas and beliefs will in the game and I won't like the game. That's really what it comes down to. If an author expresses his or her ideas on a particular subject and you disagree with them or their take on a subject. Are you then going to spend money and time reading that book knowing full well you don't like the authors ideas? So why do it with a game? I've seen what they have done before with Everquest and I didn't like it. It sands to reason that should be a decent judge of what they might do with Vanguard, especially if their core ideas and beliefs are still the same from game to game.
I don't care how "revolutionary" someone says something might be. If I don't like the idea behind it, which in terms influences the game design and actual gameplay how is that shallow? Shallow would be not playing something because I don't like the character design or perhaps the color scheme or the box the game comes in. Even then that might not be shallow if a person has a good reason for disliking these aspects and feel it will effect the gameplay.
See, you proved my point for me, you said the magic word IF. You have no idea what these people are thinking, the ideas could be the same, but maybe they want to mix it up a bit this time. Also, your book theory is way off man. Maybe Shakespear agreed that people should be alowed to own guns, and you think there should never be a gun in anyones house. Now Shakespear sits down to write a book about a guy that saved his family by using the gun that he had in his house, and everyone that reads it loves it... you wouldnt read it? It could turn out to be the best book you have ever read in your entire life, and you would miss out by being SHALLOW. Thats what shallow is man. Anyway my whole point here is that unless a company makes a game or games that are seriously just completely dreadfully made, you cant knock the next game. Your just saying you didnt exactly enjoy the concept behind other highly popular games. So obviously its just as everyone says on this site over and over, maybe it just wasnt for you, but the next game they make could be.
It looked promising, but it's lethal to anticipate MMO's. Now SOE are in the picture, and after the SWG incident I simply just cannot have any hope left.
Right now, vanguard feels a bit like DNL. Big, promising... a total flop.
$OE lies list
http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
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Vanguard will be good, as is EQ2. Since they are on the Station Access, I'll play both.
Currently playing EQ2
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he probably doesnt know the difference from PVE and PVP LOL therefore he confused the two LOL
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