So because your point was proven wrong and redundancies were found you assume we misread and should go back over it again? I assure you this is not the case, I read posts carefully so that my logic does not have the same loopholes that your posts seem to contain on a consistant basis. Also, not only is the consumption of alcohol historical, it is also biblical and has been used in many rituals and celebrations since ancient times.
Many rituals and celebrations which has nothing to do with the Bible or Jesus, go back to your book and you'll know.
Second thing, i'll explain what i have said thoroughly and shortly.
My Logical answer to reavo's question.
1- no one can be immortal, so the question by itself has no answer.
now answering the question with a non-logical answer
1- if you were immortal and were cut to pieces, your soul has nothing to do with it, because immortality means not being affected physically by flesh.
2- your soul will be subjected to anything a mortal sould would be subjected to.
now if you can't understand this, then i feel sorry for you, and i will ask you to not drink while reading, because it's bad for you.
So then in your opinion the meaning of life is determined not through the body but through the soul, and the death of the body in the case of an immortal soul would mean nothing more than the soul moving to another stage of life? Nice theory, needs some work.
So because your point was proven wrong and redundancies were found you assume we misread and should go back over it again? I assure you this is not the case, I read posts carefully so that my logic does not have the same loopholes that your posts seem to contain on a consistant basis. Also, not only is the consumption of alcohol historical, it is also biblical and has been used in many rituals and celebrations since ancient times.
Many rituals and celebrations which has nothing to do with the Bible or Jesus, go back to your book and you'll know.
Second thing, i'll explain what i have said thoroughly and shortly.
My Logical answer to reavo's question.
1- no one can be immortal, so the question by itself has no answer.
now answering the question with a non-logical answer
1- if you were immortal and were cut to pieces, your soul has nothing to do with it, because immortality means not being affected physically by flesh.
2- your soul will be subjected to anything a mortal sould would be subjected to.
now if you can't understand this, then i feel sorry for you, and i will ask you to not drink while reading, because it's bad for you.
So your soul is subject to all the punishment of a physical body, yet your soul (if immortal) could prevent all physical harm? Doesn't that make your body your soul? If that's true, I must disagree with you and this argument can go no further, as human brains are incapable of logic at such a high level of abstract thought. If it's not true, then your argument is circular. "The [immortal] soul would prevent physical harm. A soul is subject to equal harm as a physical body." Face it, you look stupid. Fess up that you're BSing and everyone will forget about it in a week.
Originally posted by kimosabe Jesus did too drink. You gotta read a Bible or something. Belief in a religion does not permit ignorance of another. And how many translations and twisting the bible has gone through? just asking. Translation of second paragraph: I can't possibly see how my fingers may have been misguided by the power of God to create an illogical statement! I just won't accept it! you don't make any sence, because i never said that :} Man, you made two points that actually had a shred of logic behind them, then through your horrible wording (I'll give you some sympathy points if English isn't your native language) the third one said that the first two weren't necessary or valid points at all, and your last point went into details of the workings of an immortal soul, while it contradicted your second one which explicitly stated that no mortal can begin to comprehend immortality.
You make no sense, sir! Please don't fight yourself with contradictions, it makes you look much more stupid than I believe you to be. as i said before, i was telling reavo that no one can be immortal or comprehend immortality. then i answered his question based on the CASE he provided, IF, any sence now? oh and, english is my second language.
So your soul is subject to all the punishment of a physical body, yet your soul (if immortal) could prevent all physical harm? Doesn't that make your body your soul? If that's true, I must disagree with you and this argument can go no further, as human brains are incapable of logic at such a high level of abstract thought. If it's not true, then your argument is circular. "The [immortal] soul would prevent physical harm. A soul is subject to equal harm as a physical body." Face it, you look stupid. Fess up that you're BSing and everyone will forget about it in a week.
I never said your soul is your body, your soul is you, and it is phyiscal, but it is not something you can see or touch in this form or life.
it is a physical form beyond that on earth, it is a physical form only touchable by the angels, it is something you cannot control.
when you sleep, you lose your soul, and when you wake up, you get it again, that's why people in commas sometimes never wake up, and sometimes people breath but not in a comma, and never wake up, it is something uncomprehendable beyond these points.
seconde thing, i never said your soul is immortal, i said your body is immortal, if you lose your body then you aren't immortal to begin with.
Originally posted by OneMuslim Originally posted by kimosabe Jesus did too drink. You gotta read a Bible or something. Belief in a religion does not permit ignorance of another. And how many translations and twisting the bible has gone through? just asking. Cop out answer if I ever heard one. You don't know Christianity and this was your excuse. Translation of second paragraph: I can't possibly see how my fingers may have been misguided by the power of God to create an illogical statement! I just won't accept it! you don't make any sence, because i never said that :} One word: sardonism Man, you made two points that actually had a shred of logic behind them, then through your horrible wording (I'll give you some sympathy points if English isn't your native language) the third one said that the first two weren't necessary or valid points at all, and your last point went into details of the workings of an immortal soul, while it contradicted your second one which explicitly stated that no mortal can begin to comprehend immortality.
You make no sense, sir! Please don't fight yourself with contradictions, it makes you look much more stupid than I believe you to be. as i said before, i was telling reavo that no one can be immortal or comprehend immortality. Here's the part where you said no one can comprehend immortality. I'm with you so far. then i answered his question based on the CASE he provided, IF, any sence now? Here's the part where you, a mortal, go on to explain your idea of immortality. That's where I see the contradiction. So then you'll admit that your posts were just simple, unbased, illogical theories that are prone to the same specualtion as anyone else's? oh and, english is my second language. Here's your sympathy point: .
So then in your opinion the meaning of life is determined not through the body but through the soul, and the death of the body in the case of an immortal soul would mean nothing more than the soul moving to another stage of life? Nice theory, needs some work.
You soul never dies, it is something living forever, BUT it is not immortal, because immortality is not comprehendable, as well as the soul too, these things are beyond us, we only know very little about them.
sometimes you see people in a comma, or sleep but not in a comma, and never wake up, while their body still functions, their soul was ripped off their bodies while their bodies were fine.
if the body stops, the soul remains for a small period of time, then is ripped off, as in taken away.
that is why there's hell and heaven :}
your body however will reincarnate, and your soul will inhabit it once more, to be judged, and then either in hell or heaven, of course this is a very long process and a different story.
Originally posted by Angyl So then in your opinion the meaning of life is determined not through the body but through the soul, and the death of the body in the case of an immortal soul would mean nothing more than the soul moving to another stage of life? Nice theory, needs some work.
You soul never dies, it is something living forever, BUT it is not immortal, because immortality is not comprehendable, as well as the soul too, these things are beyond us, we only know very little about them.
sometimes you see people in a comma, or sleep but not in a comma, and never wake up, while their body still functions, their soul was ripped off their bodies while their bodies were fine.
if the body stops, the soul remains for a small period of time, then is ripped off, as in taken away.
that is why there's hell and heaven :}
your body however will reincarnate, and your soul will inhabit it once more, to be judged, and then either in hell or heaven, of course this is a very long process and a different story.
You say this as though it is a fact, therefore pushing your beliefs on others. If you want to become slightly more popular on this forum I recommend you put an "IMO" in there somewhere.
Originally posted by kimosabe So your soul is subject to all the punishment of a physical body, yet your soul (if immortal) could prevent all physical harm? Doesn't that make your body your soul? If that's true, I must disagree with you and this argument can go no further, as human brains are incapable of logic at such a high level of abstract thought. If it's not true, then your argument is circular. "The [immortal] soul would prevent physical harm. A soul is subject to equal harm as a physical body." Face it, you look stupid. Fess up that you're BSing and everyone will forget about it in a week. I never said your soul is your body, your soul is you, and it is phyiscal, but it is not something you can see or touch in this form or life. it is a physical form beyond that on earth, it is a physical form only touchable by the angels, it is something you cannot control. If you can't see it, can't feel it, can't prove its exsitance through human means, it is not a physical object! A soul may be some piece of "magic" if you will, some strange force that keeps humans going. The thing is, it isn't tangible, that makes it a spiritual object and not physical. when you sleep, you lose your soul, and when you wake up, you get it again, that's why people in commas sometimes never wake up, and sometimes people breath but not in a comma, and never wake up, it is something uncomprehendable beyond these points. seconde thing, i never said your soul is immortal, i said your body is immortal, if you lose your body then you aren't immortal to begin with. An immortal body is not necessarily immune to harm. It may just have extensive, or normally unreal, regeneration ability. Example: reattaching lost limbs, insanely high blood production, regrowth and advanced scarring/scabbing, etc... Neither of us can prove it, so neither of us can claim correctness as you have been doing.
Originally posted by kimosabe Originally posted by OneMuslim Originally posted by kimosabe Cop out answer if I ever heard one. You don't know Christianity and this was your excuse. I do know christianity and also from various christian churches, but not everything about them :} One word: sardonism So then you'll admit that your posts were just simple, unbased, illogical theories that are prone to the same specualtion as anyone else's? Did i say my answer was logical? i know it was not logical, because there's no logic that can explain what is a soul precicely, we only know very little about it, so yes it was just a quickly thrown away theory. oh and, english is my second language. Here's your sympathy point: . thanks, i'll keep it.
Originally posted by kimosabe Originally posted by OneMuslim
Originally posted by kimosabe If you can't see it, can't feel it, can't prove its exsitance through human means, it is not a physical object! A soul may be some piece of "magic" if you will, some strange force that keeps humans going. The thing is, it isn't tangible, that makes it a spiritual object and not physical. Can be proven otherwise, and here's how. Dark matter: can't see it, can't feel it, can't prove it's existance through human means, not a physical object, and is not tangible, but it's there and we all know it :} at least those who know. An immortal body is not necessarily immune to harm. It may just have extensive, or normally unreal, regeneration ability. Example: reattaching lost limbs, insanely high blood production, regrowth and advanced scarring/scabbing, etc... Neither of us can prove it, so neither of us can claim correctness as you have been doing. but that's only in stories or movies or DND, and doesn't apply and we not know it hehe.
Oh and btw, I can feel my soul, so it is not something we cannot feel, if you don't then that's you, but me i do feel it, so that theory doesn't apply on me :}
Originally posted by OneMuslim Originally posted by kimosabe Originally posted by OneMuslim Originally posted by kimosabe So then you'll admit that your posts were just simple, unbased, illogical theories that are prone to the same specualtion as anyone else's? Did i say my answer was logical? i know it was not logical, because there's no logic that can explain what is a soul precicely, we only know very little about it, so yes it was just a quickly thrown away theory.
That's what I'm looking for! This whole time you go on a crusade proclaiming these outrageous claims, and now you say they are speculation. This is why we have a problem here. You need to clearly state your opinion (and state that it is only an opinion) immediately, as to avoid confusion. Your previous posts made you sound like you were sure of this theory and that your sprituality gave you this insight into exactly how it worked. You need to clearly, without any doubt, tell people the difference between your opinions and your statements! I cannot stress that enough without becoming more obnoxious than this argument has already become.
Originally posted by OneMuslim Oh and btw, I can feel my soul, so it is not something we cannot feel, if you don't then that's you, but me i do feel it, so that theory doesn't apply on me :}
That's what I'm looking for! This whole time you go on a crusade proclaiming these outrageous claims, and now you say they are speculation. This is why we have a problem here. You need to clearly state your opinion (and state that it is only an opinion) immediately, as to avoid confusion. Your previous posts made you sound like you were sure of this theory and that your sprituality gave you this insight into exactly how it worked. You need to clearly, without any doubt, tell people the difference between your opinions and your statements! I cannot stress that enough without becoming more obnoxious than this argument has already become.
I'm sorry, and i will try to be as much detailed as possible.
I hate putting so much detail into stuff, it's boring for the reader, i like it when people THINK of what i say, sometimes i throw in puzzles that don't make any sence, sometimes i mix nonsence with sence but i sound like i'm serious or something.
Originally posted by kimosabe Originally posted by OneMuslim Oh and btw, I can feel my soul, so it is not something we cannot feel, if you don't then that's you, but me i do feel it, so that theory doesn't apply on me :}
Originally posted by OneMuslim I'm sorry, and i will try to be as much detailed as possible. I hate putting so much detail into stuff, it's boring for the reader, i like it when people THINK of what i say, sometimes i throw in puzzles that don't make any sence, sometimes i mix nonsence with sence but i sound like i'm serious or something. but if you want details, i can go for it :}
Not necessarily details, just clarity. I don't have a problem with what you say, as long as you explicitly state that it's an opinion instead of proclaiming it. That makes people think you are believing it as fact. Once you start to push around "facts", that's when arguments get going.
Emotional feeling can prove existance, but not on a tangible, physical level.
I hate putting so much detail into stuff, it's boring for the reader, i like it when people THINK of what i say, sometimes i throw in puzzles that don't make any sence, sometimes i mix nonsence with sence but i sound like i'm serious or something.
So basically, you're full of shit, and try to cover it up by using cryptic phrasing, riddles, and generaly anything which will confuse rather than enlighten your reader as to what the hell you're talking about. Well, you've been very well trained in pushing your religious agenda, that's for sure. The Jehova's Witnesses that show up at my door use the exact same primitive tactic to try to disorientate me and push the conversation in the direction they want it to go. Thankfully, I'm a pretty rational and analytical human being, so I really have no trouble seeing your ravings for what they truly are, utter bullshit.
"Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign." -baff
That depends on your definition of immortality. Immortality does not neccessarily mean invulnerable, it may simply be that you do not age and will not die of natural causes (disease, old age, etc), but you could still be killed by someone/something.
Define soul. If you cut the head off someone, then doesn't that render everything else useless (and the brain after a few seconds). The brain is your consciousness, and the word "soul" has too many meanings by too many people.
It mite be benifical to study the early beliefs of the humans who worshipped the one god. Named post flood believers of The Way. Followers such before the Mosaic period were still strictly speaking followers of the same god and shared the same beliefs as the Judaeo-Christians. One thing they held in common was the belief the soul was the body and the spirit combined. Remove either the body or the spirit and the soul ceased to exist except in the memory of there creator. Some did believe they could be raised from the dead due to the Adamic promise.
With all this said the idea that the soul dwelled on beyond the body was intergrated into the beliefs of Christians with the increasing intergration of the pagan beliefs into church to instigate conversions. With the eventual inclusion of the idea of heavenly rebirth of the whole of humanity during the Tribunals of the eary 1000ad period. This was disputed though. For many the idea that a totality of humanity would be reborn spurned the Adamic promises. In anycase all is fair in biblical theology.
Hehe notice I didnt reveal my personal beliefs lol
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Many rituals and celebrations which has nothing to do with the Bible or Jesus, go back to your book and you'll know.
Second thing, i'll explain what i have said thoroughly and shortly.
My Logical answer to reavo's question.
1- no one can be immortal, so the question by itself has no answer.
now answering the question with a non-logical answer
1- if you were immortal and were cut to pieces, your soul has nothing to do with it, because immortality means not being affected physically by flesh.
2- your soul will be subjected to anything a mortal sould would be subjected to.
now if you can't understand this, then i feel sorry for you, and i will ask you to not drink while reading, because it's bad for you.
So then in your opinion the meaning of life is determined not through the body but through the soul, and the death of the body in the case of an immortal soul would mean nothing more than the soul moving to another stage of life? Nice theory, needs some work.
Many rituals and celebrations which has nothing to do with the Bible or Jesus, go back to your book and you'll know.
Second thing, i'll explain what i have said thoroughly and shortly.
My Logical answer to reavo's question.
1- no one can be immortal, so the question by itself has no answer.
now answering the question with a non-logical answer
1- if you were immortal and were cut to pieces, your soul has nothing to do with it, because immortality means not being affected physically by flesh.
2- your soul will be subjected to anything a mortal sould would be subjected to.
now if you can't understand this, then i feel sorry for you, and i will ask you to not drink while reading, because it's bad for you.
So your soul is subject to all the punishment of a physical body, yet your soul (if immortal) could prevent all physical harm? Doesn't that make your body your soul? If that's true, I must disagree with you and this argument can go no further, as human brains are incapable of logic at such a high level of abstract thought. If it's not true, then your argument is circular. "The [immortal] soul would prevent physical harm. A soul is subject to equal harm as a physical body." Face it, you look stupid. Fess up that you're BSing and everyone will forget about it in a week.
Je mettrai l'amour sur dos de moi.
Je mettrai l'amour sur dos de moi.
You soul never dies, it is something living forever, BUT it is not immortal, because immortality is not comprehendable, as well as the soul too, these things are beyond us, we only know very little about them.
sometimes you see people in a comma, or sleep but not in a comma, and never wake up, while their body still functions, their soul was ripped off their bodies while their bodies were fine.
if the body stops, the soul remains for a small period of time, then is ripped off, as in taken away.
that is why there's hell and heaven :}
your body however will reincarnate, and your soul will inhabit it once more, to be judged, and then either in hell or heaven, of course this is a very long process and a different story.
You soul never dies, it is something living forever, BUT it is not immortal, because immortality is not comprehendable, as well as the soul too, these things are beyond us, we only know very little about them.
sometimes you see people in a comma, or sleep but not in a comma, and never wake up, while their body still functions, their soul was ripped off their bodies while their bodies were fine.
if the body stops, the soul remains for a small period of time, then is ripped off, as in taken away.
that is why there's hell and heaven :}
your body however will reincarnate, and your soul will inhabit it once more, to be judged, and then either in hell or heaven, of course this is a very long process and a different story.
You say this as though it is a fact, therefore pushing your beliefs on others. If you want to become slightly more popular on this forum I recommend you put an "IMO" in there somewhere.
Je mettrai l'amour sur dos de moi.
That's what I'm looking for! This whole time you go on a crusade proclaiming these outrageous claims, and now you say they are speculation. This is why we have a problem here. You need to clearly state your opinion (and state that it is only an opinion) immediately, as to avoid confusion. Your previous posts made you sound like you were sure of this theory and that your sprituality gave you this insight into exactly how it worked. You need to clearly, without any doubt, tell people the difference between your opinions and your statements! I cannot stress that enough without becoming more obnoxious than this argument has already become.
Je mettrai l'amour sur dos de moi.
I meant tangible feeling, not emotional feeling.
Tangible = fingers, prods, scrapes, textures, shapes
Emotional = "warm fuzzy" comfort, peace, etc...
Je mettrai l'amour sur dos de moi.
I'm sorry, and i will try to be as much detailed as possible.
I hate putting so much detail into stuff, it's boring for the reader, i like it when people THINK of what i say, sometimes i throw in puzzles that don't make any sence, sometimes i mix nonsence with sence but i sound like i'm serious or something.
but if you want details, i can go for it :}
I meant tangible feeling, not emotional feeling.
Tangible = fingers, prods, scrapes, textures, shapes
Emotional = "warm fuzzy" comfort, peace, etc...
but emotional feeling proves existance too.
Not necessarily details, just clarity. I don't have a problem with what you say, as long as you explicitly state that it's an opinion instead of proclaiming it. That makes people think you are believing it as fact. Once you start to push around "facts", that's when arguments get going.
Emotional feeling can prove existance, but not on a tangible, physical level.
Je mettrai l'amour sur dos de moi.
So basically, you're full of shit, and try to cover it up by using cryptic phrasing, riddles, and generaly anything which will confuse rather than enlighten your reader as to what the hell you're talking about. Well, you've been very well trained in pushing your religious agenda, that's for sure. The Jehova's Witnesses that show up at my door use the exact same primitive tactic to try to disorientate me and push the conversation in the direction they want it to go. Thankfully, I'm a pretty rational and analytical human being, so I really have no trouble seeing your ravings for what they truly are, utter bullshit.
"Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign."
-baff
Assume there is a set of all sets...
Those kinds of assumptions really make anything possible.
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
It mite be benifical to study the early beliefs of the humans who worshipped the one god. Named post flood believers of The Way. Followers such before the Mosaic period were still strictly speaking followers of the same god and shared the same beliefs as the Judaeo-Christians. One thing they held in common was the belief the soul was the body and the spirit combined. Remove either the body or the spirit and the soul ceased to exist except in the memory of there creator. Some did believe they could be raised from the dead due to the Adamic promise.
With all this said the idea that the soul dwelled on beyond the body was intergrated into the beliefs of Christians with the increasing intergration of the pagan beliefs into church to instigate conversions. With the eventual inclusion of the idea of heavenly rebirth of the whole of humanity during the Tribunals of the eary 1000ad period. This was disputed though. For many the idea that a totality of humanity would be reborn spurned the Adamic promises. In anycase all is fair in biblical theology.
Hehe notice I didnt reveal my personal beliefs lol
A soul is what The God have created in order to make the body have conciousness.
And it is created from nothing.