Originally posted by Nicoli Originally posted by Gameloading
Did I ever say he shouldn't have an opinion? No I didn't. but fact remains WoW is a great game. sure you might not like the game, thats all fine. it means the game is not for you.
Read first before you open that mouth of yours.
Well You summed it up for me with the "It's a great game." When I played WoW I would have loved a server with less not more people. Not because of lag, Just because I couldn't care less about anyone else but my friends on it. What the other X amount of players did on the server had absolutely no effect on me. If WoW's multiplayer was done like Diablo's with a seperate auction house I might actually of enjoyed the game MORE.
Is WoW a really well coded game... Yes Is it a good MMORPG... NO
Why is it a poor MMORPG?
Same reasons alot of MMORPGs are really poor:
NPC driven Content NPC driven content is a holdover from the Pen and Paper roleplaying days when you only have 5 people and you have to use NPCs to fill the many characters. NPCs were also used to Direct playes and allow a Single person to attempt to create a populated and immersive enviroment by directing players through a small area of the world that is easy to plan out ahead of time. Now in MMORPGs what happens is that you eventually reach a point where the developers cannot create content faster than players can Beat/finish the old stuff., end result the "raiding issue" with make .05% drops to make players want to run the same quest repeatively to give the devs more time to make more content. Now NPCs do have a place in the game but more as stand-ins when you need other characters on side quests.
Static World nothing ever changes in WoW aqnd most MMOs. if it was there yesterday more and likely it will be there tommorrow and the next day and the next day. When was the last time you logged into the WoW forums to see if anything major had happened to the game world when you left? doubt you ever did. Static worlds are really good for linear games where you reach a end point and then quit, but with MMOs you need dynamic worlds run by players to allow things to keep interesting.
Poor Crafting Well its another side effect from the NPC driven content/raiding. You need to have uber items to make people want to repeat that same quest for that .05% drop rate. So that means that in the end crafted items have to be worse then raid items. that all ends up to the problem in WoW, only a select few trade skills are actually useful in the long run. And to add to this problem is the fact that equipment is never destroyed/lossed so there is no reason NOT to use the uber raid drops further lowering demand on player crafted items. Which leads to the next problem
Horrible PVP having both Level and equipment being a major factor in who wins, on top of absolutely no REAL effect on the game world makes it bad. In order to make people raid lets add another system of Better than crafted items that you have to grind PVP in order to get so people will continue to do repatitve PVP.
When you have a game with the opposite of the above you start having the something that you'll get alot more respect. With a dynamic world, where PVP for the control of resources to replace combat losses you have something that doesn't become boring as its a constant struggle with player factions constantly changing tactics to overcome other players. And since WoW does not have that dynamic level is why I think its one of the Worst MMORPGs.
Nicoli you should become an MMO consultant; you can help some devs pull their heads out of their arses.
Of those that I have played and that are still online it is a toss-up between Shadowbane (technically very buggy and little depth to separate it from a team based FPS) and Everquest 1 (the original grinding, raiding, borefest).
Why this idiots dont stay in the subject...grinpls is asking "what is you worst ever mmorpg you played" why is always is a debate? For me, my taste!!!!!! worst mmorpg ever that i have played is Runescape ...Shadowbane.....Maplestory.......follow by WOW and i dont care if wow have 100 million subscriber..10 days free trial was enough for me and thx God i didnt buy it ,whew, Anyway You want everyone to respect your opinion?? then respect the opinion of you fellow gamer... you like Honda ..I like Toyota,... you like football...I like basketball... you like men and i like women J/K ...Game im looking foward to play is NWN2...Vanguard you all take care
Originally posted by Tolkien Face of Mankind and WoW don't suck you idiots. If it wasn't for WoW the MMO genre would of been dead.
I have to disagree with your last statement, the MMORPG genre was doing fine before WoW came along...
--When you resubscribe to SWG, an 18 yearold Stripper finds Jesus, gives up stripping, and moves with a rolex reverend to Hawaii. --In MMORPG's l007 is the opiate of the masses. --The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence! --CCP could cut off an Eve player's fun bits, and that player would say that it was good CCP did that.
Worst MMO for just being the Worst MMO would have to go to Mourning, Age of Mourning, Dawn, whatever you want to call it. Just for being so desperately lame from start to disasterous finish. Im not even sure it qualifies because it was never really a game. But anyhoo....
Worst MMO for being a let down of Galactic proportions goes to SWG with no contest for that award.
SWG had the potential of a billion atom bombs and went of with a bang so small, it wouldnt blow the dust of the retail boxes now sitting idle on shelves across the world.
The greatest lost opportunity the industry may EVER see. Shame shame shame to everyone involved.... shame...
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SOE had years of experience with EQ1, a live platform to test and query from. A playerbase to be polled. And yet they created a flop, proven by the ongoing sweeping changes made to the game since launch in an attempt to improve things. SOE produced this failure without help from LA.
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I would have to agree the WORST MMO I have ever played would be WoW I played for 5 months because I had friends playing it and I just didnt find anything exciting about it there a a few neat features but over all it gets a 1 out of 10. To me the only reason its doing so well is beacuse it was advertised more, had more servers, had a name of a decent RPG (warcraft), simple controls a 2 year old can play it and carebare PVP sytem for the people who cant handle real PVP. More downfalls characters look like crap.. ( look I can jump around all day ya ya ya) lets see WAITING WAITING ohhhh server is busy great I think I will go now . DROPS hahah good luck on getting your best gear. ERR I need a drink now talking about it too much.. Well again this is my Worst MMO I have played . Later!!
Originally posted by PyscoJuggalo Originally posted by Tolkien Face of Mankind and WoW don't suck you idiots. If it wasn't for WoW the MMO genre would of been dead.
I have to disagree with your last statement, the MMORPG genre was doing fine before WoW came along...
Before WoW the top record for an MMO was EQ1 with 450K accounts. We cannot count the crazy asian numbers because MMO's aren't games to them but rather a place to gather as a cult.
Now we have WoW that has established a new real record of 6 Million plus. WoW is the ultimate generic game it does nothing well but on the same token does nothing bad. It does what it does good enough to attract that many people to play it. No matter what you say anyone with a basic IQ of 10 or higher can see that WoW is hardly one of the worst MMO's out there. Oh not to mention a grade level higher than 6 as well.
As well most of those 6 million plus accounts are people that are totally new to the genre. They will grow bored of wow and then move onto to another MMO. They do not quit wow and MMO's alltogether. So their sub dollars go to another MMO... which is good. Any yoyo can make that basic deduction and leap of logic.
Originally posted by newage2 I think this is the thread.. where ppl list as many mmorpgs as they can think of. Lets say all mmorpgs ive tried sucks!!! yeah..
Thanks for your contribution to the mmorpg community. I think you went up 1 for making that post.. GG.
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Or people are sharing their opinions...which is what you do on a forum.
id have to say from my experiances i would say eve, i may have played it for a long time but now i look back i never actully had any fun on it, games are times to chill and have fun with nice people... eve aint one of those games, unless u like sitting back while ur ship flys itself for hours just to get to the next most repetative mission...
ok only games i dislike not hate i just dont like the feel are tibia and runescape other thean that i dont realy dislike anything elese i like wow and liniage 2 i never played eve, silkroad was cool but had to many crowded servers but thears a list of how many things are wrong with free games so if you have silkroad or any other free game on your list thean your dumb its free you should be thankful they dont charge cash like the makers of runscape do i mean its repetitve with the constant grindeing and all but its free if you hate wow well then i dont care or lineage 2 i dont care but when you have a free game on you hate list it makes you sound ungreatfull that ppl are willing to make a game and let your sorry ass play it with out charge
Originally posted by Hadesprime Originally posted by PyscoJuggalo Originally posted by Tolkien Face of Mankind and WoW don't suck you idiots. If it wasn't for WoW the MMO genre would of been dead.
I have to disagree with your last statement, the MMORPG genre was doing fine before WoW came along... Before WoW the top record for an MMO was EQ1 with 450K accounts. We cannot count the crazy asian numbers because MMO's aren't games to them but rather a place to gather as a cult.
That HAS to be the most rediculous statement I EVER read.
Originally posted by Gameloading Originally posted by Hadesprime Originally posted by PyscoJuggalo Originally posted by Tolkien Face of Mankind and WoW don't suck you idiots. If it wasn't for WoW the MMO genre would of been dead.
I have to disagree with your last statement, the MMORPG genre was doing fine before WoW came along... Before WoW the top record for an MMO was EQ1 with 450K accounts. We cannot count the crazy asian numbers because MMO's aren't games to them but rather a place to gather as a cult.
That HAS to be the most rediculous statement I EVER read.
It's okay Gameloading some hillbilly must have just logged into MMORPG. If we are all very quite he will go back to skinning a fish or something.
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Dark and Light, NOTHING comes close, you havent seen crappy games if you havent suffered playing THIS pos. This game has it all, bugs, no content, no balancing, no performance, bad graphics, bad sound. All at premium price. Just the manifestation of the word CRAP. Period.
Then theres AO. Mourning Horizons -
And ppl, get real, games like WoW, Ryzom, EQ2, EvE maybe not what you like, still, theyre good games and theres a good chance other people will enjoy them...
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Well You summed it up for me with the "It's a great game." When I played WoW I would have loved a server with less not more people. Not because of lag, Just because I couldn't care less about anyone else but my friends on it. What the other X amount of players did on the server had absolutely no effect on me. If WoW's multiplayer was done like Diablo's with a seperate auction house I might actually of enjoyed the game MORE.
Is WoW a really well coded game... Yes
Is it a good MMORPG... NO
Why is it a poor MMORPG?
Same reasons alot of MMORPGs are really poor:
NPC driven Content
NPC driven content is a holdover from the Pen and Paper roleplaying days when you only have 5 people and you have to use NPCs to fill the many characters. NPCs were also used to Direct playes and allow a Single person to attempt to create a populated and immersive enviroment by directing players through a small area of the world that is easy to plan out ahead of time. Now in MMORPGs what happens is that you eventually reach a point where the developers cannot create content faster than players can Beat/finish the old stuff., end result the "raiding issue" with make .05% drops to make players want to run the same quest repeatively to give the devs more time to make more content.
Now NPCs do have a place in the game but more as stand-ins when you need other characters on side quests.
Static World
nothing ever changes in WoW aqnd most MMOs. if it was there yesterday more and likely it will be there tommorrow and the next day and the next day. When was the last time you logged into the WoW forums to see if anything major had happened to the game world when you left? doubt you ever did. Static worlds are really good for linear games where you reach a end point and then quit, but with MMOs you need dynamic worlds run by players to allow things to keep interesting.
Poor Crafting
Well its another side effect from the NPC driven content/raiding. You need to have uber items to make people want to repeat that same quest for that .05% drop rate. So that means that in the end crafted items have to be worse then raid items. that all ends up to the problem in WoW, only a select few trade skills are actually useful in the long run. And to add to this problem is the fact that equipment is never destroyed/lossed so there is no reason NOT to use the uber raid drops further lowering demand on player crafted items. Which leads to the next problem
Horrible PVP
having both Level and equipment being a major factor in who wins, on top of absolutely no REAL effect on the game world makes it bad. In order to make people raid lets add another system of Better than crafted items that you have to grind PVP in order to get so people will continue to do repatitve PVP.
When you have a game with the opposite of the above you start having the something that you'll get alot more respect. With a dynamic world, where PVP for the control of resources to replace combat losses you have something that doesn't become boring as its a constant struggle with player factions constantly changing tactics to overcome other players. And since WoW does not have that dynamic level is why I think its one of the Worst MMORPGs.
Nicoli you should become an MMO consultant; you can help some devs pull their heads out of their arses.
--When you resubscribe to SWG, an 18 yearold Stripper finds Jesus, gives up stripping, and moves with a rolex reverend to Hawaii.
--In MMORPG's l007 is the opiate of the masses.
--The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence!
--CCP could cut off an Eve player's fun bits, and that player would say that it was good CCP did that.
Worst MMO for just being the Worst MMO would have to go to Mourning, Age of Mourning, Dawn, whatever you want to call it. Just for being so desperately lame from start to disasterous finish. Im not even sure it qualifies because it was never really a game. But anyhoo....
Worst MMO for being a let down of Galactic proportions goes to SWG with no contest for that award.
SWG had the potential of a billion atom bombs and went of with a bang so small, it wouldnt blow the dust of the retail boxes now sitting idle on shelves across the world.
The greatest lost opportunity the industry may EVER see. Shame shame shame to everyone involved.... shame...
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"MMOs, for people that like think chatting is like a skill or something, rotflol"
http://purepwnage.com
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"Far away across the field, the tolling of the iron bell, calls the faithful to their knees. To hear the softly spoken magic spell" Pink Floyd-Dark Side of the Moon
EQ2
SOE had years of experience with EQ1, a live platform to test and query from. A playerbase to be polled. And yet they created a flop, proven by the ongoing sweeping changes made to the game since launch in an attempt to improve things. SOE produced this failure without help from LA.
"We feel gold selling and websites that promote it damage games like Vanguard and will do everything possible to combat it."
Brad McQuaid
Chairman & CEO, Sigil Games Online, Inc.
Executive Producer, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
www.vanguardsoh
SWG pre-cu = best game i ever played
SWG NGE = worst game i ever played
now playing starcraft - broodwar while i wait for a mmorpg worth spending time on.
brgds
Before WoW the top record for an MMO was EQ1 with 450K accounts. We cannot count the crazy asian numbers because MMO's aren't games to them but rather a place to gather as a cult.
Now we have WoW that has established a new real record of 6 Million plus. WoW is the ultimate generic game it does nothing well but on the same token does nothing bad. It does what it does good enough to attract that many people to play it. No matter what you say anyone with a basic IQ of 10 or higher can see that WoW is hardly one of the worst MMO's out there. Oh not to mention a grade level higher than 6 as well.
As well most of those 6 million plus accounts are people that are totally new to the genre. They will grow bored of wow and then move onto to another MMO. They do not quit wow and MMO's alltogether. So their sub dollars go to another MMO... which is good. Any yoyo can make that basic deduction and leap of logic.
only dullard play them.
Which FF Character Are You?
I think this is the thread.. where ppl list as many mmorpgs as they can think of.
Lets say all mmorpgs ive tried sucks!!! yeah..
Thanks for your contribution to the mmorpg community.
I think you went up 1 for making that post.. GG.
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dada
I have only played a few MMORPGS and out of themI have 2 that I wouldnt play again!!!
Hero-It would be better if it had better graphics and the classes werent split Female or Male only!
Last Chaos-again classes are M/F and you cannt chang what they look like !!
Before WoW the top record for an MMO was EQ1 with 450K accounts. We cannot count the crazy asian numbers because MMO's aren't games to them but rather a place to gather as a cult.
That HAS to be the most rediculous statement I EVER read.
Before WoW the top record for an MMO was EQ1 with 450K accounts. We cannot count the crazy asian numbers because MMO's aren't games to them but rather a place to gather as a cult.
That HAS to be the most rediculous statement I EVER read.
It's okay Gameloading some hillbilly must have just logged into MMORPG. If we are all very quite he will go back to skinning a fish or something.
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WoW must have taken you ages to think ot that perswasive argument on why eve SucKs
Perhaps you should say why you didnt like the game....assuming you actually played it which i doubt fromthe lack of detail in your post.
Its posts like yours why i dont take these forums seriously.
Oh and for my choices out of the games i have played i didnt like...
EQ2
WoW
COV
COH
RF Online.
Anarchy Online
Neocron [dont ask
]
World of warcraft
RF online
Hauken Stormchaser
I want pre-CU back
Station.com : We got your game
Yeah?, Well i want it back!!!
Dark and Light, NOTHING comes close, you havent seen crappy games if you havent suffered playing THIS pos. This game has it all, bugs, no content, no balancing, no performance, bad graphics, bad sound. All at premium price. Just the manifestation of the word CRAP. Period.
Then theres AO.
Mourning
Horizons
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And ppl, get real, games like WoW, Ryzom, EQ2, EvE maybe not what you like, still, theyre good games and theres a good chance other people will enjoy them...
Meridion