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AHAHAHAHA OH MY GOD.
You mean to tell me there are no Catholics here to stick up for the Church, and that a SATANIST, namely myself, is going to have to stand in for them? It appears so.
Catholicism is the only form of Christianity I have any respect for. The rest of you Protestants are nothing but a bunch of brainwashed fools with no sense of history or theology. Have you even READ that Bible you jack off to so much? Or realised that it came from the Catholic Church?
Let's start with an appeal to history and common sense.
1. The scriptures that compile the Bible are written in the decades following Jesus' death, along with many related writings, such as the Gospel of Thomas.
2. For approximately 400 years, these are taught in public, without being compiled into an accepted canon of any kind.
3. The Catholic Church then compiles the Bible, hundreds of years after the stuff was originally written.
And you are claiming this stuff was divinely inspired, meaning, of course, that the people who wrote it were inspired. Fair enough. But you overlook an important point:
There were MANY writings in addition to those that made it into the Bible being taught at the same time. So, when the Bible was compiled, how were the inspired writings distinguished from those not inspired? Why, by the Catholic Church. By accepting the Bible as inspired, you are giving the Catholic Church an authority that you deny to any other compiler of the time.
Now, the question remains, if the Catholic Church had the authority to compile the Bible (which they must have had, if all the writings in the Bible are inspired but no others), WHERE did they get this authority?
Why, from the Bible. Oh yes. Read it again my friend.
Matthew 16:17-19
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- Jesus said to him in reply, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
Gee. Sounds like Jesus is giving Peter some power there, what with that keys of heaven talk and all. Now, you may want to pull some alternative explanation out of your ass to justify your Protestantism, but guess what? You know what PETER'S interpretation of that verse was? Peter interpreted this to mean "go out and become the first Pope", cause that's precisely what he did. If you have doubt I can look you up a letter from some early Christian to the Roman Emperor that precisely states that "the current Pope is Linus, and Peter was before him". You want to argue with Peter himself about how to take this verse? Go ahead. That's the idiocy of Martin Luther; any crackpot with a Bible can go say whatever he wants about it and call himself "Christian". Nevermind that Christianity ends up being worthless and self-contradictory if that is true.Now I know what you're going to say. The Catholic Church, apparently, has a lot of practices not specifically referenced in the Bible. Well of course they do, and having such additional practices is terribly Biblical. In fact, sola scriptura, that "Bible alone" nonsense you Prots promote, is actually AGAINST the Bible.
First of all, there's the obvious consideration that Chrisitians were without an established Bible for hundreds of years, so practicing "Bible alone" Christianity is a modern heresy.
Second, the Bible itself backs me up on this. It clearly states that it is NOT to be taken by itself, but along with the traditions and practices of the early Church. That would be the Catholic Church that put it together, you know.
"stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us,
either by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thess. 2:15).
"I commend you because you remember
me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them
to you" (1 Cor. 11:2).
So, now that I have throrougly debunked your nonsense, kindly shut the fuck up and stop slandering the only enemies I have that are actually worth fighting. Your religion is laughably unresearched and ignorant. You are a disgrace to your God.
Edit: Forgot to mention -- it's also a goddamn shame that a waste of air like you listens to Iron Maiden.
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"on this rock I will build my Church".
If the Church is being built on Peter, the rock, guess what the foundation is? Jesus doesn't even mention himself at all.
Nowhere
in tradition says to create a church of man and nowhere in the bible
does it say to create a new church with man at the head. Only God is
the main head of the church.
Au contraire.
Actually, yes it does. Jesus just said he would build his Church on Peter. Sounds like Peter would be running the thing, then, no?
Hmmm... Intriguing... I was talking to a Rabbi (sp?) about Jewish interpretation of Jesus and he said you (generalisation) believe him to be a prophet... Is there some split between reformists/fundamentalists or something on this?
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He means peter will be part of his team to spread the
word and teachings. Later Jesus says you can only get into heaven
through him, by accepting him into your life.
Sure, Peter is part of Jesus' team. He just got made captain.
Nah, Jesus is the foundation
of Gods church.
What part of "on this rock" do you not understand?
He doesn't mean theres going to
be a "Church of Peter" and people will worship Peter.
Well of course not; Jesus did say "MY church" after all.
Check out the whole chapter of
John, a lot of stuff is explained there and people even ask
Jesus to explain his metaphors.
And if this one had any meaning besides the blatantly obvious he would have explained it there. Too bad he didn't.
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Never said I didn't.
But you show that you don't, with comments like "Church of Peter". The verse doesn't say "and on this rock I will build your church", it says "my church".
You're putting words in my mouth to suggest that I'm claiming the verse means the former.
Peter is not the head of Peter's church. Peter is the head of Christ's church. What you don't seem to get is that he is indeed the foundation because Christ said so.
I am saying that Peter is the foundation because normally, when you build something on something else, that's called a foundation. Christ built the church on Peter; therefore, Peter is the foundation. You have still not presented any kind of argument for another position besides shouting "No he's not!"
We are adults. This is not a "did-not, did-too" argument. Now grow up and present some actual evidence.
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Also Peter didn't become a Pope, he became part of Jesus team to spread the word not appointed to be the head of a church.
Well now you're denying plain historical fact.
He did indeed become a Pope.
Bishop Eusebius of Caesarea, The Chronicle, AD 303: The Apostle Peter, after he has established the church in Antioch, is sent to Rome, where he remains as a bishop of that city, preaching the gospel for twenty-five years.
Optatus, The Schism of the Donatists 2:2, A.D. 367: You cannot deny that you are aware that in the
city of Rome the episcopal chair was given first to Peter; the chair in
which Peter sat, the same who was head—that is why he is also called Cephas
[‘Rock’]—of all the apostles; the one chair in which unity is maintained
by all.
The Bishop of Rome is the Pope. So, sorry, you're just plain wrong.
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Ok, who's the necromancer who kicked this back up front?
I think it's the objective of your past self to make you cringe.
You are right he became a Pope in the Catholic religion.
So you're agreeing with me that Peter became the first Pope and is the foundation of Christ's Church on earth?
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Did you know that, for 1400 years, Catholicism = Christianity, excluding some heresies which most Protestants would agree were not Christian?
Did you know that the Catholic Church is the source of the Bible?
I noticed you never responded to the first half of my original post, which details the argument.
unsubtantiated claims made by people trying to refute christianity or religion in general..there is no way to prove any of that.
"but there is no way to prove your faith either!!"
Yes well that's why they call it "faith" You can have your faith, and I can have mine, but don't make claims that you have no way whatsoever of proving about MY faith, and I will do you that same courtesy
The burden of proof lies on the person making the unsubstantiated claim. You claim a big invisible man created you and wrote a book, you carry the burden of proof. Why would I have to provide proof that he doesn't exist? That makes no sense.
You need to learn how to read more carefully, it's already in my post...you are truly the most mentally dense person that I have ever come across on an internet forum.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
unsubtantiated claims made by people trying to refute christianity or religion in general..there is no way to prove any of that.
"but there is no way to prove your faith either!!"
Yes well that's why they call it "faith" You can have your faith, and I can have mine, but don't make claims that you have no way whatsoever of proving about MY faith, and I will do you that same courtesy
The burden of proof lies on the person making the unsubstantiated claim. You claim a big invisible man created you and wrote a book, you carry the burden of proof. Why would I have to provide proof that he doesn't exist? That makes no sense.
You need to learn how to read more carefully, it's already in my post...you are truly the most mentally dense person that I have ever come across on an internet forum.
All I see in that post is that I can't disprove your faith, which is exactly my point. Faith is the undying belief in something you have no idea about, and when asked to prove, you can't. The burden of proof does not lie with me to "disprove" your faith. If I'm missing something from your post, please hilight the part that proves God's existence and everything.
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"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
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If Peter was the foundation of the church then what does this mean?
Ephesians 1:22-23: 22 God has put all things under the authority of Christ and has made him head over all things for the benefit of the church. 23 And the church is his body; it is made full and complete by Christ, who fills all things everywhere with himself.
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And the Church is his body- means that the Church is Christ's corpreal form on the Earth.
God has put all things under the authority of Christ and has made him head over all things for the benefit of the church.- Means all things fall under the authority of Christ.
Added together means-> All things fall under the authority of Christ who's body on Earth is the Church. Sorta proved the other argument there...
Now I'm not a biblical scholar, but that is what those 2 verses seem to mean to me...
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All the hylie sylasie stuff came many years later.
The Catholic Church is not just the source of one interpretation of the bible, but dozens, because jaywalking became such a problem in the vatican city people tried to get the pope to declare it a sin so people would stop doing it, right there is proof of how common it is for the roman cathoholics to manipulate gods word.