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robh
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in Everquest II
Wow. So I got EQ last night and its a hell of a game. I played EQ1 for a few years on Prexus but the game pretty much got destroyed with all the expansions where if youre not in a super uber guild you're nothing. Plus the regen took ridiculously long, much like everything else, and all the armor worth a hoot was raided for. Then i moved on to WoW and FFXI and a bunch of trials and sure WoW was really great but it gets dull. Now I'm back to my roots and all i have to say is im no where near disappointed with EQ2. I play on Nagafen and am an Iksar Bruiser so ahhh yeah, if anyone wants to chill in-game just send me a tell. The name's Helegda.
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Wait till you spent few months ingame. The world is ridiculously small, there are invisible walls everywhere and above level 45 you need a group for everything thats supposed to be fun, crafting has been ruined, housing is a joke, RP is mostly non-existant and there find yourself at level 47, trapped in an ultrasmall world where you need to run raids and dungeons to accomplish anything...
...really, I need to emphasize it one more time, the gameworld is tiny, there are only 8 outdoor zones, the last two are even smaller than the lowbie zones and crammed to the rim with mobs of all kinds. no travelling, no exploring, no hanging out in the wilderness, somethings ALWAYs there to beat you up...
Fun until you realize you live in a cage...
Meridion
EDIT: Oh yea and no, im no WoW fanboy, i quit WoW last year and ive been through DaoC, WoW, EvE, SWG, Tib, DnL and EQ2
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yeah, im enjoying everything about the game so far, lotsa fun.
hopefully lillian doesnt see this post moirae, u know hell/shell want us to explain exactly y we enjoy this game, then downplay every reason u give, lol. oO well, some ppl just arent happy unless their treating others like theyre stupid.
edit: about 2 pages into this thread, lomiller will start ranting and raving on and on about zones and such. if u dont really want to read about stupid crap that doesnt matter at all, or u r familiar with the rantings of lomiller(and i know some of u r), feel free to just stop reading here. it gets really stupid later on. sry for that, but it does, i feel dumb for even letting that troll get me into it.
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i try to b nice, but everything i said to lillian he/she had to turn around like i was saying something else. i dont like to get sarcastic or nasty in a forum, but it sure seemed like thats what he/she wanted.
btw, lillian, when u read this, take into consideration that we knew that u troll....erhmmmm.....read the forums and prolly would find it. so its not that we r talking about u behind ur back, were talking infront of ur back. and we also know and expect ur quirky remarks when u see this.
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Antonica
Thundering Steppes
Nektulos
Commonlands
Ferrott
Enchanted Lands
Lavastorm
Everfrost
I can add numbers if it helps *g* Oh yeah, thats without the expansions of course... You can add Desert of Flames 1 REAL outdoor zone and some weird floating half-done zones for Kingdom of Sky. And thats it... dyou want me to list the zones in WoW, each the size of about antonica? I can tell you, the counter there stops at 42, or the number of real square kilometers on only one (of nine) planets (about 120 sq kilometers). Or the time you need to cross the map in EvE, which takes about 3-4 hours depending on route and ship, hell, even GW takes longer to explore fully, and not because the exteriors are instanced...
...I wouldnt even rely on this fact so heavily if there was anything to do in the world except slaying one monster per square meter. You just cant be anywhere without getting attacked all the friggin time. Thats not what I expect of an immersive world, when i go hiking in the woods, do I have to bash critters the whole day if I dont wanna be all torn apart? No, and no, I dont want a hiking sim, I just want a world where I can believe it is actually a world and not a strange mix of theme park sandboxes for a bunch of mage-kids to play in.
And as i stated already, I liked this game a lot and it was one of the most brutal letdowns when I finally realized that there was "nothing more to do"...
Meridion
EDIT: As a matter of fact, you got me there... I DID forget Zek - the Orcish Wastes O.o as the other 30-40 Zone. This doesnt change my arguments though :P
Your a idiot.
Lets add:
Zek
Realm of Dawn
Realm of Twilight
Realm of Night
MAj'Dul
The Sinking Sands
The Pillars of Flame
Lets not forget all the other Sub Zones which comne with Additional Packs?
the Splitpaw Saga
Bloodline Chronicles
The Fallen Dynasty
Oh, and the smaller Sub Zones:
The WAiling Caves
Blackburrow
Stormhold
Fallen Gate
Ruins of Varsoon
etc...
I repeat yet again, your an idiot.
a) not read my whole post (which comes with the statement "without expansions" and "outdoor zones")
b) not realized what I actually wanted to say, which I think I made very clear (no exploring, mobs everywhere, no REAL outdoor)
c) tried to start a flame war at which you hereby - at least concerning my potential involvement - failed
Meridion
Ok, so you want to be put in your place. Ok.
Antonica
Commonlands
Thundering Steppes
Nek Forest
Zek
Enchanted Lands
Rivervale
Feerrott
Lavastorm
Everfrost
Thats 10 so far, now you didnt incude expansions which you should but ok ill live with that. But you did say 'outdoor zones' so i reserve the right to include:
Oakmyst Forest
Forest Ruins
The Sprawl
Cazic Thule (half anf half zone butim counting it)
Graveyard
Peat Bog
Sunken City
Lost Village of Kagup
Trembling Lagoon
The Runis
Firemyst Gully
Vale of the Shattering
Eternal Gorge
Cove of Decay
Cauldron Hollow
The Isle of Refuge
Thats 26 so far and i dont think i need to continue, theres more. Add expansions, adventure packs and non 'outdoor' zones and the world you call small is not so small.
antonica = boring
TS = Boring
Nek = boring
EL = boring
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Alcapwned
Sidenote: A in-scene-prejudice is confirmed here btw: Most People are blindly praising and following their current MMOG, whatever the cost: "The game I'm currently playing rules, no discussion!!!" There are only few people that admit there ARE flaws at their current games...
What happens if you change their game? Well, you can see that at SWG, the ravaging cyber amok that affected most of the players after CU and NGE is downright scary. Makes you think about war in the world, you know?
Oh, I forgot the frequent mentioning of the term "Communist" if someone actually IS critizising a game he/she is currently playing, which is considered "betrayal".
To reconclude this. I don't know what demon drives your mind to state that EQ2s world is "not so small" as even the devs admitted almost a year ago that the EQ2 world "is very detailed and not so much designed for massiveness than for quality". About any other MMOG I've listed had triple size or more of the EQ2 outdoors; denying this is, well, don't take me wrong, it's just a little deluded...
Meridion
:S you cud just say that to anything as a quick pointless insult.
Its a fact these zones are crap
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And I agree that Meridion is wrong. I don't think he actually played this game. There's alot more to it than what he seems to think there is.
See, I can never get it when people who haven't really played the game think they know what it's all about.
Besides, I could care less if the world is huge in the way that SWG was huge. SWG drove me batty because of how large everything was (still think that player city's was a terrible idea. I've never seen so much open space that was completely filled with city. Anywhere). This game doesn't.
to Meridion:
i understand where u r coming from, while i dont agree with ur assessment of the zones in this game, i can certainly understand y u say that. when u compare the zone count to say something like FFXI's, yes this game is small. but try a game like Knight online, which has like a total of 8 zones, including the towns, ull see that EQII isnt all that small. but nevertheless, ur entitled to own opinion, and i respect that. im a fighter tho, so it doesnt really matter how huge the game is, as long as theres something to do in the game. but thats just me.
to the meridion haters:
come on guys, hes already made it clear that he didnt include some of the smallest zones and expansion packs on purpose, y r u guys railing on him like this? he doesnt have to enjoy this game if he doesnt want to, he can say that the game world is small if he wants to, in fact, in comparison to some of the other larger games out there, hes right. in any case, calling him an idiot only serves one purpose, to try to start a fight with him. if ur not a troll, y would u do that? come on now, grow up and respect others the way u want to b respected.
to the guy that said, "give it a wk":
did that, and still enjoying the game, haha! and prolly will be enjoying it for a long time to come. unless, of course, Vanguard rocks me world, lol. in which case, ill b in the huge world that is Vanguard.
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No offense Plano, but he brought it on himself. Re-read his first post, he didnt say anything about excluding expansions or adventure packs or lowbie zones. He stated that it was "ridiculously small" and that "the gameworld is tiny, there are only 8 outdoor zones". (he forgot Zek and Rivervale too). That makes his statement false. He might not have copped some shit had his intentions been made clear int he first place.
So in conclusion, just the way his post was constructed, to me seemed like just another lets bash EQ2 post. Especially considering the thread was not about zones or anything in the first place, the OP was posting something positive just to have the very next post bash EQ2 yet again.
i understand what ur saying, but in his very next post he cleared up the fact that he didnt mention expansions and smaller zones. me main issue that im taking here isnt that u disagree with him, but the guy that HAD to call him an idiot, there was no reason for that. thats all im saying.
edit: last chance to turn back, 2 posts down, lomiller, starts nitpicking and ranting on and on. if u dont want to get sucked into a meaningless void of stupidity, i advise u to stop reading right now and choose another topic, lol.
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Been playing for a few months now myself. Wife and I love it. I only have WoW to compare to but there is so much more to do it is amazing. Every week we are discovering new areas and dungeons to explore (and we like all the zones so far and don't find any of them boring). World seems plenty big to me, but what makes it feel small are the TOO easy methods of transportation. While I like being able to instantly travel great distances when I have something to do specifically, it looses some imersion for the times I am just enjoying the game.
It seems clear people are not deliberately misunderstanding you, rather you deliberately tried to mislead people about the number and size of zones in the game and they chose to refute your point rather then playing word games with you. So, there are 10 (not 7) zones that meet your criteria, but so what? Any game world is small if you exclude most of the game world from consideration.
The number of these zones, therefore, has nothing to do with the point you were trying to make. The pertinent facts are not the number of zones that meet the limited criteria you were using, but rather the number of large zones in the game, which greatly exceeds the number you gave in order to mislead people. In addition to this there are over 150 small-medium sized zones which you tried to ignore altogether.
Now lets look as something else that you need to remember. Each of the zones you mention is far larger then their counterparts in some other games. Antonica is bigger then all the Alliance level 10-19 zones combined in WoW, I dont know the horde side as well, but I think its a safe bet the commonlands is bigger then the 10-19 zones horde side as well. For that matter try running all the way to Naggy without using any of the teleport shortcuts, even at level 70 when you dont have to worry about aggro this takes a long time. You could run half way across a WoW continent in the time it takes to make this run.
I agree, but I think its one of the key tradeoffs of the game. Remember EQ2 wanted to appeal to people who didnt care for Everquest. It therefore sacrifices immersion, and to some degree sociality for being able to link up with people quickly, have less downtime, less camping, having more/better scripted content&quests, being able to solo, faster leveling, raids that can be scheduled for more easily and generally being able to log in for a short or predetermined period of time and accomplish something.
IMO this is why EQ2 does not appeal to the same people who are interested in a game like Everquest or Vanguard. Those games are for the people who dont need or dont care much about the features I named but want the richer more immersive world you can get without them. It isnt that either approach is wrong, they just appeal to different people, or perhaps people at different points in their lives.