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The Burning Crusade will...

...serve as a stark reminder of how companies like SOE should maybe stick to simpler games, like side-scrollers...

The amount of features and new content in this expansion will dwarf that of any other MMO's offerrings...  It is sad really...  Companies once thought they had 'game', but ole Blizz is rolling up the newspaper and smacking everyone over the nose...

The bar has been raised for MMO's due to WoW, and now expansions will be pale in comparison to the mega-offerring that is the BC...

 

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  • ShadrakShadrak Member Posts: 375
    yeah and its only took Blizzard 2yrs. EQ2 has had 2 expansions, 4adventure packs and another expansion on the way.  BC better be good...it took them long enough
  • RoinRoin Member RarePosts: 3,444
    Really?  While I am a big fan of WoW.  I've read nothing to date on the expansion (BC) that makes me think it will be really adding anything new.   Seems like more of the same, which isn't necessarily a bad thing in WoW's case.  (If it's not broke don't fix it)  While I will be getting BC when it's released.  I honestly can say that it my eyes it is more of the same.

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  • Hold on amount of features? Huh?  Are you talking about sockets?  A +10 to level cap and new talents is nothing special.  So that leaves sockets and the arena PvP for new features.  The arena PvP is just like a new map in the battle grounds.  I guess there are the two new races but races mean very little in WoW.  Oh yeah there are the flying mounts I forgot about those.

    So what is this expansive list of features that puts everything else to shame?  How does BC have anything more than Kingdom of the Sky which added 10 more levels, AAs, and an entirely new PvP system with separate pve/pvp stats for every single item and skill in teh game?



  • myrrdinirlmyrrdinirl Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 314
    so does Blizzard Entertainment have paid vacations?


  • warokuwaroku Member Posts: 34

    I cant wait to grind all my lv 60s up to 70 then stand around in IF and wait two more years for an for an expansion.

    But at least they dropped the price on (BC) .


  • newbinatornewbinator Member Posts: 780

    The Burning Crusade will...

    probably hold me over till WAR is launched

  • darkasterdarkaster Member Posts: 187
    Burning Crusade is adding the great feature of making all prior raiding useless!  Mid to low 60's 5 man instances have better gear than most AQ and Nax gear.  Have fun with that guys.  You're going to have all the raids of BC and none of the original.  Way to make all other content obsolete Blizz, seriously, great job! image


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  • Originally posted by darkaster
    Burning Crusade is adding the great feature of making all prior raiding useless!  Mid to low 60's 5 man instances have better gear than most AQ and Nax gear.  Have fun with that guys.  You're going to have all the raids of BC and none of the original.  Way to make all other content obsolete Blizz, seriously, great job! image
    It would have been better if they had just removed all raids.

    However the CM's have said naxx gear would be upgraded in Khazaran and not really beforehand.


  • myrrdinirlmyrrdinirl Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 314

    Originally posted by darkaster
    Burning Crusade is adding the great feature of making all prior raiding useless!  Mid to low 60's 5 man instances have better gear than most AQ and Nax gear.  Have fun with that guys.  You're going to have all the raids of BC and none of the original.  Way to make all other content obsolete Blizz, seriously, great job! image
    That was my first reaction, but if you really think about it, it had to be done. If they added new content with gear similar to what's already in the game people wouldn't go for it.


  • NubziNubzi Member Posts: 93

    Originally posted by Dis_Ordur
    ...serve as a stark reminder of how companies like SOE should maybe stick to simpler games, like side-scrollers... The amount of features and new content in this expansion will dwarf that of any other MMO's offerrings...  It is sad really...  Companies once thought they had 'game', but ole Blizz is rolling up the newspaper and smacking everyone over the nose... The bar has been raised for MMO's due to WoW, and now expansions will be pale in comparison to the mega-offerring that is the BC...  
    For the amount of time it's taken to get this expansion out since it was announced, the amount of new features and content is NOT that much.  Two new races...wow.  10 more levels, wow again!  Some new zones.... oooh boy!! I'm getting excited!!  A new crafting profession ZOMG.


  • OwenMcQOwenMcQ Member Posts: 91

    Originally posted by Roin
    Really?  While I am a big fan of WoW.  I've read nothing to date on the expansion (BC) that makes me think it will be really adding anything new.   Seems like more of the same, which isn't necessarily a bad thing in WoW's case.  (If it's not broke don't fix it)  While I will be getting BC when it's released.  I honestly can say that it my eyes it is more of the same.
    I kind of feel the same way.  It looks decent and all, but it's still more of the same, and not a ground-breaking expansion.

    It's certainly not something that makes me want to re-sub, but I hope it will keep the people still playing occupied for awhile.
  • MoongloMoonglo Member Posts: 101

    After waiting for two years for an expansion of a game that rapidly becomes stale after hitting the level cap The Burning Crusade fails to introduce even ONE new class? 

    They will take away the priest, paladin, mage etc abilities to auto-cleanse disease, curses, poisons etc in an efficient manner. Effectively forcing all of those raiding guilds to relearn the encounters (and likely making alot of the support class players stop playing them. Admittedly this could be good or bad, depending on the healers you have in your guilds. image

    They introduce 2 new races?...Whoopty doo..lol.  Now you have 6 races to pick. Furthermore, each of the new races will "share" a racial ability with an existing race.

    New Talents. Always nice, but Blizzard has failed to balance classes in the two+ years since launch. I can here the forum crying now about such and such being too strong...

    The UI improvements that Blizz has been slowly implementing are thanks to all of those UI folks out there showing Blizzard "how to" make their UI better.

    I know there will be some positive effect from BC release, but the OP isn't even close by saying "The bar has been raised for MMO's due to WoW, and now expansions will be pale in comparison to the mega-offerring that is the BC..." 

    The only bar Blizzard has ever raised, is going to other games and taking a successful "bar" from other developers stacks of bars and making it their own.

    Don't get me wrong, I played and mostly enjoyed the game for almost 2 years, but when I stepped away I realized there are alot of innovative ideas out there just waiting to be unleashed and enjoyed.

    I will be happily trying out G&H, Vanguard, Age of Conan etc while all of you WoW'ers do the faction grind some more, since Blizzard will fail to implement anything other than "borrowed" gameplay as their "new" features.



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  • acmtalkacmtalk Member Posts: 405

    Originally posted by Shadrak
    yeah and its only took Blizzard 2yrs. EQ2 has had 2 expansions, 4adventure packs and another expansion on the way.  BC better be good...it took them long enough
    while I don't play WOW (or any other level/fantasy crap out there), I give credit to blizard for taking their time, the month I played wow, I could tell that was a Bugg free game, While it wasn't for me, I can see Why it sells so much, It's not only a very well done game, But it deliveres what it is suppost to, an easy gameplay, easy to get into it,  SOE SUX! They are Horrible , all they do is rush expanssions to milk money from people, EQ has had 2 expanssions and 4 packs, But the BC, will sell more then they all toogueter, And it won't suprisse me if Blizard reaches the 10 million mark soon.  Heck if the new PVP stuff is done right, I might even try WOW again, Now if they would only make crafted items as good as looted ones, and make it easy for low levels, to group with High level players, It would be a very nice game.


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  • ShazzelShazzel Member Posts: 472

    If WoW was for the casual gamer before then this expansion is the messiah of casual games. It makes all previous gear obsolete (has been said), then gives in to casuals in every area even the pvp and new raid gear.

    Dont have naxx gear atm? Fine go do a 5-man and get better stuff.

    Dont have time to pvp? Fine pvp once a week and save your honor up, dont worry you wont lose rank.

    Dont have time for a big raid guild? Fine get a few friends and a small guild going and raid anything.

     

    The only thing groundbreaking I see is mass appeal to casual raiders and maybe the flying mounts.. Still have to give blizzard props though, game could be more popular than ever thanks to new changes for casuals.

     

  • SuitepeeSuitepee Member Posts: 921

    The Burning Crusade will......keep WOW alive for 2-3 months.

    After that,it will begin to die as the new releases come out/are beta'd.

  • aspalmataspalmat Member Posts: 51

    Originally posted by Dis_Ordur
    ...serve as a stark reminder of how companies like SOE should maybe stick to simpler games, like side-scrollers... The amount of features and new content in this expansion will dwarf that of any other MMO's offerrings...  It is sad really...  Companies once thought they had 'game', but ole Blizz is rolling up the newspaper and smacking everyone over the nose... The bar has been raised for MMO's due to WoW, and now expansions will be pale in comparison to the mega-offerring that is the BC...  
    2/10 tops.  I assume this has to be a troll post, because you can't be serious.

    After two full years, Blizzard creates an expansion with 0 new races and that expands the land mass of WoW by 25%?

    Again, you must be joking.  This is going to be one of the biggest rip offs released for a MMO.  Seriuosly, the 9 classes they do have were stale a year ago, and they can't come up with 1 new class.

    I'm sorry, but I don't share your thoughts on the subject.  This is one MMO expansion that I will be skipping.




  • nomadiannomadian Member Posts: 3,490

    I have to admit the announced features didn't look too impressive because there was a sort of a lack of 'gimmicks' which I have become quite accustomed to with mmorpgs, but the information coming back from BC beta sounds like it will be a big improvement for the game. Whether it will be or not, we'll have to see but yeah I can guess I see where the OP is coming from.

    Edit. By the way, the reason cited no classes are being added is because they are still ironing out the existing classes, which I'm going to have say I agree with as it needs doing badly.


  • ConverseSCConverseSC Member Posts: 572

    Originally posted by Suitepee
    The Burning Crusade will......keep WOW alive for 2-3 months. After that,it will begin to die as the new releases come out/are beta'd.
     

    Yeah, especially since it's subscription rate hasn't dropped in nearly a year, it's the most popular and     widely-accepted MMO ever to exist, and has consistently gotten the highest-ratings out of any MMO on most gaming sites.

    Yeah, it's really going to "die" soon.  image  You could say a small percentage of its numbers will leave, which very well may be true, and you could also say that these upcoming games may be better, but don't make stupid baseless predictions.
  • nomadiannomadian Member Posts: 3,490



    Yeah, especially since it's subscription rate hasn't dropped in nearly a year, it's the most popular and widely-accepted MMO ever to exist, and has consistently gotten the highest-ratings out of any MMO on most gaming sites.
    These arguments always remind me of the console fanboys.
  • ConverseSCConverseSC Member Posts: 572

    Originally posted by nomadian

    Yeah, especially since it's subscription rate hasn't dropped in nearly a year, it's the most popular and widely-accepted MMO ever to exist, and has consistently gotten the highest-ratings out of any MMO on most gaming sites.
    These arguments always remind me of the console fanboys.





    Except what I stated was in no way refering to the quality of the name.  Not that reading comprehension really plays any factor in the replies I ever get.
  • ShazzelShazzel Member Posts: 472

    Everquest 1 in its peak had 500k subs? Its still alive 7 years later.. Who knows they still have alot of servers up it might even see another 5-7 years if soe doesnt pull the plug.

    With graphic/engine overhauls I think its fair to say WoW will still be around 10 years from now.

  • nomadiannomadian Member Posts: 3,490



    Except what I stated was in no way refering to the quality of the name. Not that reading comprehension really plays any factor in the replies I ever get.
    Nothing to do with comprehension. ::::39::

  • Originally posted by Moonglo
    After waiting for two years for an expansion of a game that rapidly becomes stale after hitting the level cap The Burning Crusade fails to introduce even ONE new class? 

    They will take away the priest, paladin, mage etc abilities to auto-cleanse disease, curses, poisons etc in an efficient manner. Effectively forcing all of those raiding guilds to relearn the encounters (and likely making alot of the support class players stop playing them. Admittedly this could be good or bad, depending on the healers you have in your guilds. image

    They introduce 2 new races?...Whoopty doo..lol.  Now you have 6 races to pick. Furthermore, each of the new races will "share" a racial ability with an existing race.

    New Talents. Always nice, but Blizzard has failed to balance classes in the two+ years since launch. I can here the forum crying now about such and such being too strong...

    The UI improvements that Blizz has been slowly implementing are thanks to all of those UI folks out there showing Blizzard "how to" make their UI better.

    I know there will be some positive effect from BC release, but the OP isn't even close by saying "The bar has been raised for MMO's due to WoW, and now expansions will be pale in comparison to the mega-offerring that is the BC..." 

    The only bar Blizzard has ever raised, is going to other games and taking a successful "bar" from other developers stacks of bars and making it their own.

    Don't get me wrong, I played and mostly enjoyed the game for almost 2 years, but when I stepped away I realized there are alot of innovative ideas out there just waiting to be unleashed and enjoyed.

    I will be happily trying out G&H, Vanguard, Age of Conan etc while all of you WoW'ers do the faction grind some more, since Blizzard will fail to implement anything other than "borrowed" gameplay as their "new" features.


    You know when I read the highlighted portion, even though its something i have thought and read before, it occurred to me:  Blizzard is the Microsoft of gaming.


  • RuthgarRuthgar Member Posts: 730
    ...Cause more WoW flame threads on mmorpg.com

    It has been said many times that NAXX gear will only be replaced by the level 70 raid dungeons.

    BC will only further split the Casual vs. Raiders flame wars.

    Considering that they didn't even add Hero classes or Battlegrounds 2 that they featured on their comming soon page over a year ago, I am not impressed with BC.

    BC will be a huge sales success, but I bet you see WoW's rating on this website drop further.

     


  • AethiosAethios Member Posts: 1,527


    Originally posted by Moonglo
    They will take away the priest, paladin, mage etc abilities to auto-cleanse disease, curses, poisons etc in an efficient manner.

    In addition to these huge mistakes, I was also told today that in BC, Hunters will be able to set traps DURING combat. This was one of my greatest peeves with this game, and since it can't be fixed, Blizzard will make it even worse by simply giving up.


    Originally posted by Moonglo
    New Talents. Always nice, but Blizzard has failed to balance classes in the two+ years since launch. I can here the forum crying now about such and such being too strong...

    I absolutely agree. I read the new talents/spells and the only thing I can say about them is that it will be the single worst mistake Blizzard has ever made. The classes who desperately needed help got the shaft once again, and those who were already too powerful got even moreso. If they ever get around to even attempting to fix this mistake, I imagine it will be a failed effort and they will simply turn the tables on who is gimped and who is awesome, as they have done repeatedly in the past.


    Originally posted by Moonglo
    The UI improvements that Blizz has been slowly implementing are thanks to all of those UI folks out there showing Blizzard "how to" make their UI better.

    Again, this is Blizzard's way of taking someone else's brilliant ideas, adding it to the game with a little polish, and pretending it's all fresh and new. The few mods they CAN'T add to the game will be rendered useless. Modding was one of the few aspects that I really liked about this game, and I wrote them as often as possible. I hope that other games will utilize this feature in upcoming releases.

    Adding two "new" races, 10 levels, and a couple of zones and then trying to call it an "Expansion" is a joke. Where are these supposed "Hero Classes" that have been in the works since the beginning of the game? Where are these "Siege" mechanics that were supposed to be added to Battlegrounds many months ago? They added Jewelcrafting, but we all know what it is... just another way to get "hawt lewt" through ridiculous grinds and overpriced materials.

    I'd also like to point out that while WoW continuously reports that they have over 7 million accounts, most of them are from China. I'd be surprised if the total number of WESTERN accounts was more than 1 million.

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