Amazon has The Coming of Conan the Cimmerianlisted as Volume 1, The Bloody Crown of Conanlisted as Volume 2, but it has The Tower Of The Elephant And Other Stories (Conan (Graphic Novels) listed as Volume 3. Why do you have The Conquering Sword of Conan? Which one truely is the best to get if only getting 3?
Amazon has The Coming of Conan the Cimmerianlisted as Volume 1, The Bloody Crown of Conanlisted as Volume 2, but it has The Tower Of The Elephant And Other Stories (Conan (Graphic Novels) listed as Volume 3. Why do you have The Conquering Sword of Conan? Which one truely is the best to get if only getting 3?
the Graphic Novels and the books are two differet things, though the Conquering Sword has some really good tales, and some of the "and other stories" one can be redundant to other compilations, though nothing wrong with having both...
If you click the link that is the opening graphic of this thread, of the Snowhawk sheild in my sig, and go to the Petitioners Hall, there is a "Bone up on REH" sticky that can point you to some goodness, and The Tower of the Elephant and a couple other stories free to read online.
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
Originally posted by Uglek Some nice information, just hoping Funcom takes into acount mainly Howards writings and not the other arthurs that have written Conan.
The last time they mentioned it, the ratio for ingame content went something like: 80% Howard's works, 15% books from other authors, 5% all other sources
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. Hemingway
I bought all 3 books recommended by the OP, and though I enjoy the writing and especially the gory detail thus far, I noticed Conan doesn't have much depth to him. Course I am only 3-4 stories into the first book, but I noticed he doesn't have much of a conscience and isn't the kind of cool-headed hero you are used to seeing in movies or reading about. However I guess this is unique and refreshing.... Jury is still out.
Originally posted by Laserwolf I bought all 3 books recommended by the OP, and though I enjoy the writing and especially the gory detail thus far, I noticed Conan doesn't have much depth to him. Course I am only 3-4 stories into the first book, but I noticed he doesn't have much of a conscience and isn't the kind of cool-headed hero you are used to seeing in movies or reading about. However I guess this is unique and refreshing.... Jury is still out.
He not supposed to be "civilized" or cerebral. He's not supposed to be a dumbass either, but he has a different focus than a modern western man.
Read a Celtic myth like the Cattle raid with Cuchulain or a Finn McCool legend and then see if you ideas of conscience match with them or do those legends match with Conan? Cimmerians are supposed to be proto-celts btw.
Originally posted by Laserwolf I bought all 3 books recommended by the OP, and though I enjoy the writing and especially the gory detail thus far, I noticed Conan doesn't have much depth to him. Course I am only 3-4 stories into the first book, but I noticed he doesn't have much of a conscience and isn't the kind of cool-headed hero you are used to seeing in movies or reading about. However I guess this is unique and refreshing.... Jury is still out.
He not supposed to be "civilized" or cerebral. He's not supposed to be a dumbass either, but he has a different focus than a modern western man.
Read a Celtic myth like the Cattle raid with Cuchulain or a Finn McCool legend and then see if you ideas of conscience match with them or do those legends match with Conan? Cimmerians are supposed to be proto-celts btw.
EXACTLY! PERFECT! I couldn't have put it better myself!
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Originally posted by gestalt11 He not supposed to be "civilized" or cerebral. He's not supposed to be a dumbass either, but he has a different focus than a modern western man.
Read a Celtic myth like the Cattle raid with Cuchulain or a Finn McCool legend and then see if you ideas of conscience match with them or do those legends match with Conan? Cimmerians are supposed to be proto-celts btw.
I knew he wouldn't be stupid, I was just expecting more...morality, especially since these were written in the 20s and 30s. However, like I said above, this is refreshing and I didn't say it was a bad thing. I became a Firefly fan when Captain Reynolds kicked the "bad guy" into the engine instead of letting him go. I like my heroes grey-dark grey. I am just giving my first impressions as a newbie. I remember watching the cartoon when I was younger and I saw the 2 movies, but of course the books are the real deal. The gore is great too. A lot of people were talking about how AoC was going to capture the violence and gore of the books but I didn't quite believes the stories written back then were all that violent. Glad to be proven wrong.
Originally posted by Laserwolf Originally posted by gestalt11 He not supposed to be "civilized" or cerebral. He's not supposed to be a dumbass either, but he has a different focus than a modern western man.
Read a Celtic myth like the Cattle raid with Cuchulain or a Finn McCool legend and then see if you ideas of conscience match with them or do those legends match with Conan? Cimmerians are supposed to be proto-celts btw.
I knew he wouldn't be stupid, I was just expecting more...morality, especially since these were written in the 20s and 30s. However, like I said above, this is refreshing and I didn't say it was a bad thing. I became a Firefly fan when Captain Reynolds kicked the "bad guy" into the engine instead of letting him go. I like my heroes grey-dark grey. I am just giving my first impressions as a newbie. I remember watching the cartoon when I was younger and I saw the 2 movies, but of course the books are the real deal. The gore is great too. A lot of people were talking about how AoC was going to capture the violence and gore of the books but I didn't quite believes the stories written back then were all that violent. Glad to be proven wrong. I would encourage you to look into Celtic myths and ancient Celtic sensibilities. They were a violent people who repsected violence. It was perfectly acceptable to call another man out and kill him, if the duel was fair. There are even a number of well known instances of fighting women such as Boudica.
Well the same could be said about violence for the Romans of the time(except for the woman part). But the Celts had a more personal perspective and had a high regard for personal physical prowess and for settling thigns personally. Personal strength and your personal obligation to be strong were important. They were scrappy and they didn't respect anyone who wasn't scrappy. And if you aren't respected then you what do you deserve? Not much as far as they were concerned.
REH was a man much like this in some regards, although in others he was throughly a modern christian man. A man of dark moods enamored of boxing and Iron Man toughness. He thought the world fundamentally lacking in any inherent justice and therefore you must fight for what you get.
The world of Conan is a world where nature is "red in tooth and claw" so to speak. And its characters and its world are based around ancient cultures which lived closer to a world like this. A harsh world with harsh decisions. A world where if you don't save enough for winter you die. End of story. REH was a big fan of Jack London and in some regards you can see the themes of stories like "To Build a Fire" and "The Law of Life" in this view.
Originally posted by Laserwolf I was just expecting more...morality, especially since these were written in the 20s and 30s.
And now you know why Robert E. Howard gained much more noteriaty after his death than before, America wasn't ready for a Grim Grey God and a fell handed amoral reaver as the "hero", or more correctly, main character
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
Meh, Originally posted by Sturmrabe Originally posted by Laserwolf I was just expecting more...morality, especially since these were written in the 20s and 30s.
And now you know why Robert E. Howard gained much more noteriaty after his death than before, America wasn't ready for a Grim Grey God and a fell handed amoral reaver as the "hero", or more correctly, main character Meh, morality in a dark ages? When people were burning other people becuase their cow didnt have any milk so they blamed the first creepy looking old lady? And taking into account Conan lived in a fantasy world, a cruel, wild and perverted fantasy world...Very dark world indeed. America was and perhaps still isnt truly ready for Conan.
Originally posted by Laserwolf I was just expecting more...morality, especially since these were written in the 20s and 30s.
Andnow you know why Robert E. Howard gained much more noteriaty after hisdeath than before, America wasn't ready for a Grim Grey God and a fellhanded amoral reaver as the "hero", or more correctly, main character
Meh, morality in a dark ages? When people were burning other peoplebecuase their cow didnt have any milk so they blamed the first creepylooking old lady? And taking into account Conan lived in a fantasyworld, a cruel, wild and perverted fantasy world...Very dark worldindeed. America was and perhaps still isnt truly ready for Conan.
I know the anti-gaming violence people aren't
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
True, I still can't get over the fact that parents continue to blame anything and everything but their own tutelage for the way their kids grow up.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. Hemingway
Robert E. Howard was a visionary! He brought so much more to the Conan saga than just sex and brutality. He brought us one man's struggle against the norm. Conan always lived outside the lines! He was confined to a grinding wheel for the duration of his youth! He broke away and always seemed to live under the code despite his youthful imprisonment. He respected all and feared none. And yet, he found plenty to put on the end of his sword. Whether they were worthy of such a fatal end or not rested on what the reader felt was justified!( Which was usually the case more than not.) Conan brings out the loose cannon in all of us and yet makes us respect the rights of others in at least a limited fashion. Let's see how those we know react in such an environment.
Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games.
Originally posted by tepthtanis Robert E. Howard was a visionary! He brought so much more to the Conan saga than just sex and brutality. He brought us one man's struggle against the norm. Conan always lived outside the lines! He was confined to a grinding wheel for the duration of his youth! He broke away and always seemed to live under the code despite his youthful imprisonment. He respected all and feared none. And yet, he found plenty to put on the end of his sword. Whether they were worthy of such a fatal end or not rested on what the reader felt was justified!( Which was usually the case more than not.) Conan brings out the loose cannon in all of us and yet makes us respect the rights of others in at least a limited fashion. Let's see how those we know react in such an environment.
Nice post
I haven't read all of REH's Conan stories yet but have enjoyed the ones I have so far... I'm just wondering though you cited Conan was confined to a grinding wheel for the duration of his youth... as far as I knew, that was just from the movie? You mean that was actually in REH's novels too?
Originally posted by tepthtanis Robert E. Howard was a visionary! He brought so much more to the Conan saga than just sex and brutality. He brought us one man's struggle against the norm. Conan always lived outside the lines! He was confined to a grinding wheel for the duration of his youth! He broke away and always seemed to live under the code despite his youthful imprisonment. He respected all and feared none. And yet, he found plenty to put on the end of his sword. Whether they were worthy of such a fatal end or not rested on what the reader felt was justified!( Which was usually the case more than not.) Conan brings out the loose cannon in all of us and yet makes us respect the rights of others in at least a limited fashion. Let's see how those we know react in such an environment.
Nice post
I haven't read all of REH's Conan stories yet but have enjoyed the ones I have so far... I'm just wondering though you cited Conan was confined to a grinding wheel for the duration of his youth... as far as I knew, that was just from the movie? You mean that was actually in REH's novels too?
You know what...It was such a long time ago that I read the books or saw the movies that I really couldn't tell you. I remember much of the novels/short stories but the wheel could have just been a fabrication of the movie. If that response takes away credibility from my previous post then I apologize. It was actually meant to show that Conan was much more than just a blood and guts simpleton. He actually had values and respect for others.(especially women) Though he usually got his way in the end anyway...
Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games.
there is/was a funny show on adult swim about a barbarian, i know it isnt conan, but i thought i would just let all the barbarian lovers out there to check it out, really funny stuff.
Originally posted by boognish75 there is/was a funny show on adult swim about a barbarian, i know it isnt conan, but i thought i would just let all the barbarian lovers out there to check it out, really funny stuff.
That would be Korgoth of Barbaria, fucking HILARIOUS homage to Conan! I wish they'd get the lead out and make new episodes...
I'm pretty certain the "Wheel of Pain" is from the movie only...
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
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the Graphic Novels and the books are two differet things, though the Conquering Sword has some really good tales, and some of the "and other stories" one can be redundant to other compilations, though nothing wrong with having both...
If you click the link that is the opening graphic of this thread, of the Snowhawk sheild in my sig, and go to the Petitioners Hall, there is a "Bone up on REH" sticky that can point you to some goodness, and The Tower of the Elephant and a couple other stories free to read online.
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
I bought all 3 books recommended by the OP, and though I enjoy the writing and especially the gory detail thus far, I noticed Conan doesn't have much depth to him. Course I am only 3-4 stories into the first book, but I noticed he doesn't have much of a conscience and isn't the kind of cool-headed hero you are used to seeing in movies or reading about. However I guess this is unique and refreshing.... Jury is still out.
Read a Celtic myth like the Cattle raid with Cuchulain or a Finn McCool legend and then see if you ideas of conscience match with them or do those legends match with Conan? Cimmerians are supposed to be proto-celts btw.
Read a Celtic myth like the Cattle raid with Cuchulain or a Finn McCool legend and then see if you ideas of conscience match with them or do those legends match with Conan? Cimmerians are supposed to be proto-celts btw.
EXACTLY! PERFECT! I couldn't have put it better myself!
If you want to talk to some people that have been Conan and REH fans for longer than most people on this forum have been alive, come to our forums and say hi... any question you could possibly have will be answered, usually accompanied by a direct quote from REH lore
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
I would encourage you to look into Celtic myths and ancient Celtic sensibilities. They were a violent people who repsected violence. It was perfectly acceptable to call another man out and kill him, if the duel was fair. There are even a number of well known instances of fighting women such as Boudica.
Well the same could be said about violence for the Romans of the time(except for the woman part). But the Celts had a more personal perspective and had a high regard for personal physical prowess and for settling thigns personally. Personal strength and your personal obligation to be strong were important. They were scrappy and they didn't respect anyone who wasn't scrappy. And if you aren't respected then you what do you deserve? Not much as far as they were concerned.
REH was a man much like this in some regards, although in others he was throughly a modern christian man. A man of dark moods enamored of boxing and Iron Man toughness. He thought the world fundamentally lacking in any inherent justice and therefore you must fight for what you get.
The world of Conan is a world where nature is "red in tooth and claw" so to speak. And its characters and its world are based around ancient cultures which lived closer to a world like this. A harsh world with harsh decisions. A world where if you don't save enough for winter you die. End of story. REH was a big fan of Jack London and in some regards you can see the themes of stories like "To Build a Fire" and "The Law of Life" in this view.
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
now you know why Robert E. Howard gained much more noteriaty after his
death than before, America wasn't ready for a Grim Grey God and a fell
handed amoral reaver as the "hero", or more correctly, main character
Meh, morality in a dark ages? When people were burning other people
becuase their cow didnt have any milk so they blamed the first creepy
looking old lady? And taking into account Conan lived in a fantasy
world, a cruel, wild and perverted fantasy world...Very dark world
indeed. America was and perhaps still isnt truly ready for Conan.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
...America was and
perhaps still isnt truly ready for Conan.
Guess we'll find it when AoC is released
I know the anti-gaming violence people aren't
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
Oh crap, changing between tradition BBL and Enhanced suuucks
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
" I know the anti-gaming-violence people arn't!"
True, I still can't get over the fact that parents continue to blame anything and everything but their own tutelage for the way their kids grow up.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games.
I haven't read all of REH's Conan stories yet but have enjoyed the ones I have so far... I'm just wondering though you cited Conan was confined to a grinding wheel for the duration of his youth... as far as I knew, that was just from the movie? You mean that was actually in REH's novels too?
I haven't read all of REH's Conan stories yet but have enjoyed the ones I have so far... I'm just wondering though you cited Conan was confined to a grinding wheel for the duration of his youth... as far as I knew, that was just from the movie? You mean that was actually in REH's novels too?
You know what...It was such a long time ago that I read the books or saw the movies that I really couldn't tell you. I remember much of the novels/short stories but the wheel could have just been a fabrication of the movie. If that response takes away credibility from my previous post then I apologize. It was actually meant to show that Conan was much more than just a blood and guts simpleton. He actually had values and respect for others.(especially women) Though he usually got his way in the end anyway...
Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games.
playing eq2 and two worlds
That would be Korgoth of Barbaria, fucking HILARIOUS homage to Conan! I wish they'd get the lead out and make new episodes...
I'm pretty certain the "Wheel of Pain" is from the movie only...
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8Ec7pxC8ts...related&search=
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJrfrszYPsM...related&search=
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tFP0tmQrPI...related&search=