Originally posted by kopema Your "playstyle" HAS to impose on that of other people, or it wouldn't exist. You can't possibly feel "superior" to anyone unless you beg a game designer to make some of them "inferior" to you.
How the heck do you assume to know what I like in games? And using Anofalye's broken english sig self quote as proof that he is one of the more coherent contributors to this thread? Go outside for a bit or something seriously.
I like everything I have heard about Vanguard. I probably won't be raiding but I think it's kewl that it has it if I want to. I'll be happy playing it however I can. Please tell me, what MMORPG do you enjoy playing?
"You'd never in a million years bother raiding in a game that had only raiding in it"? What in the crap are you even talking about? lol
Originally posted by kopema First of all, there's no way to enjoy the game as it is, because it isn't - yet. We are talking here about a game currently in development. All we know at this time is that Vanguard said that 20% of the game will consist of raiding. You say that's "less than any other game." Well, let's check your math: of all the people who ever played EQ or WoW, what percentage of their time was spent in raids? Maybe more than 20% of the CURRENT players of EQ are raiding; but that's what, less than 1% of the total time played by everyone who ever played the game? And even among that tiny fraction, how many of them actually LIKE doing it, as opposed to the number who do it because it's the only way to unlock, or effectively survive in, additional content? This decline occurred while more than 50% of the new content was being geared toward raiders. EQ has turned into a morass in terms of fresh blood, while EQ2 basically split their playerbase in half and added nothing. Is that DESPITE the games' massisve emphasis on raiding, or BECAUSE of it? WoW is a new game, so there's no way to know where it will end up. What we do know is that it was built upon a gigantic influx of casual players.
Kopema you keep on displaying your immense ignorance in MMORPGs and the absolutely inability to understand what people talks in their post. But since you think with your arse that's understandable.
I will try to educate you a bit since apparently you don't have a clue what you are talking about. I played EQ, EQ2 and WOW for several years each one of them, and in all of them all the best gear drops 100% from raids, therefore you are forced to play raids if you want uber gear, there is no choice (except in WOW you can also PVP to get it). Of course you can choose not to raid, but you will never have the best equimpent if you choose so. Have the decency to inform yourself before your open your mouth and before starting to talk bollocks as your usual.
Lol WoW is a new game? 2 years is a new game? That was really funny. I have 3 lvl 60 and I am already sick of it, that's how new this game is. And yes at 60 there is nothing else to do but raid and PVP.
Carry on with the excellent job to make yourself look like a prat, you are doing a very good job, far better job that I could ever do.
You tried to be smart and clever. You just showing everyone that you are neither of them, but a pompous git. Give up mate.....oh no wait, pls stay..........keep entertaining me
Originally posted by Anofalye Originally posted by lordtwisted
So if a person gets a piece of armor better the your average grouper giveing him an advantage in groups, but he got it from a quest? Is that going to irk you too? If we are both level 50, but you find a group wants me more then you, because I crafted a sword that puts your mob drop sword to shame, are you going to be mad too? What if a group kicks you out to invite me, because I finished out the diplomacy sphere and got a full set of "Lord Defender" armor that gives me elite skill boost? All equipment is completely fictional, any resemblence to any real person place or thing is merely a coinicidense.
For the quest, if it is a grouping quest I see no problem with it.
For crafting, I am ready to put with that evil...but what you say is basically right, however, I am ready to cope with tradeskills, even if there should be no tradeskills affecting grouping IMO. But yes, tradeskills is, in theory, just as wrong as raiding...yet...it is something that is a lot less nasty and easy to bear than raiding, so if it is a necessary evil, let's be it. DDO made many mistakes, but they did understand this point quite well. Tradeskills belong to SIMs and the like IMO. Enforcing tradeskills on groupers is a bad idea, but it is a bad idea I can deal with...which remind me the meditating book and the boats honestly.
Diplomacy, see crafting.
Raiding, sorry, but I won't bear such a despictable gameplay. There is a fine line between boring and despictable, raiding cross that line.
Sooo as long as raiding have no impact on grouping, I can't care less, the day it gave 1 HP, I ask for it removal just as if it was PvP. In fact, PvP is less offensive, I know the 10 years old ganker is enjoying killing me at least...
And yet........... It is not necessary to have the "Sword of Death" to play Vanguard.
Your logic is incredibly ludicrous. If I am wielding an awsome sword and your envious of me and I tell you I got it with just a small group working cohesively, your "ok with that" ...? But If I say I got it on a raid, your upset...?
Sounds to me like you don't like the idea of Raid drops because you know you'll never have one. Either because you don't play well with others OR.. because you can't look the item up on the Net and easily assemble a small group and camp the item. OR.. Because your the type of person who can't "take it all in" and understand, digest & comprehend whats going on with 20 people tackling a problem. You simply just don't have the skillset to be on a raid, therefore you tell yourself you don't like them to protect your ego. And.. boy... you have a big ego.
You lumps "raids" in as if all raids are exactly the same... or is if even raids on different games are the same. That alone shows me your incredibly ignorant to the many aspects of raiding.
Originally posted by Anofalye Originally posted by krenalor I have no problems with raiding, I have problems with them receiving sperior gear for doing it over other play styles.
You said it very nicely, succintly, and cleary so everyone can understand! This sentence is definitely nice and well put. And 20% of the superior gears been raid-only, is 20% too much.
But amassing 15+ people to tackle an infested mine and cohesively dig deeper at the infestation is alot harder than 5 people at the upper part of the mine just killing off the larvae and other minions, when the real root of evil is unknown to you... is it not ?
Originally posted by Anofalye Originally posted by anarchyart For the last time, the game will be 60%-20%-20% group/raid/solo content. Stop dithering about the subject and just wait and see if, upon release, it is actually true.
20% to raid is unacceptable. I ain't that happy about solo, yet I can live with it as I can solo and enjoy it, even if I rather group. Raiding is certainly not going to happen and a clear and direct mistake. See, you can enforce soloing on every grouper, it isn't that bad. They won't be happy, but they will live with it. You can enforce solo and grouping on raiders, they won't be happy but they can live with it. But you can't enforce raiding on groupers, this is just something they can't cope with and deal with, it is a foreign gameplay that has nothing to do with grouping and have many ramifications completely unrelated to grouping.
I don't know which part is so hard to understand. See, I can enforce a math exam with additions on everyones. I can enforce a math exam with fractions on kids that are 12+. I can enforce a math exam with integrals and such advance math on adults. But I can't enforce fractions on a 6 year old kid. I can't enforce math-integral on a 14 year old kid! There is a side, a way, where it can work. You can enforce solo on everyone, but you can't enforce raiding on anyone. Just basic common sense.
Sigil isn't forcing you to do anything. They have a world (Telon) for you to go and explore. If you are unable to get somewhere on your own then you brings some friends... if it still to tough you might have to enlist more.
If you don't have friends or people don't like grouping with you, then your never going to see whats behind those heavily armored Sentries guarding the Goblin king.
Gameplay is no harder than that to understand. It's obvious that 90% of the dungeon is easily accessable to a well oiled group... the last and toughest part will require like-minded people who are willing to stick their necks out for each other to get to the last 10%.
Funny thing is, it won't be every dungeon... but just 2 out of every 10 (20%). If your so incredible narcissistic that Sigil must change those last 2 dungeons to suit your icredible inept playing style, you should use your big ego and start designing your own carebear MMORPG..!
There are those players that occasional enjoy taking it to the next level and don't mind not being rewarded for it the first, second, third or forth time. But eventually, they know if their friends stick together they will find an Item to suite their specific class and have an item of extreme value.
Originally posted by Zvorak But amassing 15+ people to tackle an infested mine and cohesively dig deeper at the infestation is alot harder than 5 people at the upper part of the mine just killing off the larvae and other minions, when the real root of evil is unknown to you... is it not ? -Zvorak
No. It simply isn't.
By your logic, it's a LOT harder to field a good marching band than a good football team. Only 11 football players are on the field at a time and frequently one player is the difference maker. Many marching bands have 300 members and each member has to perfectly coordinate with the others. Buts it's not just about the numbers.
Whether you solo or group or raid, you're just killing pixilated monsters. Sure, the monsters in dungeons do more damage and have more hit points. Sometimes there are more of them. But you also have a lot more guys banging on them! *Look, he's got two coconuts and is banging them together*. You have priests to heal you and people to buff you and people to debuff the monsters and etc, etc, etc. Whereas the smaller the group the less help you have.
The idea that raiding involves more risk is pure fiction - a fiction designed to support the equally absurd notion that such people have someone "earned" greater rewards.
If you like raiding that's fine. If you like games that feature raiding, that's fine. But don't try and rationalize your "right" to better treasure by pretending you're doing something harder than what other people are doing, because you're not.
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Originally posted by Amathe If you like raiding that's fine. If you like games that feature raiding, that's fine. But don't try and rationalize your "right" to better treasure by pretending you're doing something harder than what other people are doing, because you're not.
As far as I know, there is no heavy lifting involved with any video game. So the word "hard" doesn't have anything to do with it. There is stuff that's fun to do, and there's stuff that isn't fun to do. And when is the last time you saw someone with a boring and completely unproductive job who didn't rationalize that he fully deserved his paycheck?
I can never help but see a similarity between a raider bragging about how "hard" his job is, and a ganker bragging about how "brave" he is compared to everyone else. Funny, if the rest of us are all so "cowardly" and "lazy," then you'd think THEY would be the ones wanting a game of their own.
But it turns out all the "tough" roleplaying gankers can't stand the thought of competing on an even basis on any of the terrific PvP-only games out there.
And as for raiding-only games - I wonder why there's no market for that? Lots of people working dilligently together as one collective whole to share equally in all the rewards. From each according to his abilities; to each according to his needs. Heck, you'd think that would be a Gamer's Paradise.
Yes, it simply is, and you're just being obtuse. Getting 25 people to play nice is a hell of a lot harder than to get 5 people to do so. If you don't agree it's because you never have or are just mentally challenged or just trolling. Pick.
Originally posted by anarchyart Originally posted by kopema And as for raiding-only games - I wonder why there's no market for that? Lots of people working dilligently together as one collective whole to share equally in all the rewards. From each according to his abilities; to each according to his needs. Heck, you'd think that would be a Gamer's Paradise.
Perhaps a nice game of Yahtzee or Snakes and Ladders would be more to your taste.
So let's see if we have this straight now, you think that people OTHER THAN YOU are "obtuse?"
Oh yeah, you've got a real handle on that whole "getting the point" thing.
Yes, it simply is, and you're just being obtuse. Getting 25 people to play nice is a hell of a lot harder than to get 5 people to do so. If you don't agree it's because you never have or are just mentally challenged or just trolling. Pick.
Ooooh so raiders get the best loot because they play the nicest? Lmao. I can see you have never done any serious raiding.
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Originally posted by anarchyart Yes, it simply is, and you're just being obtuse. Getting 25 people to play nice is a hell of a lot harder than to get 5 people to do so. If you don't agree it's because you never have or are just mentally challenged or just trolling. Pick.
Ooooh so raiders get the best loot because they play the nicest? Lmao. I can see you have never done any serious raiding.
Actually I have and "play nice" is an expression. I was using it to replace "work well together without being idiots" to save typing. I see I had to explain further and my attempt at efficiency was thwarted again by the effects of a sub-par educational system.
Originally posted by kopema Originally posted by anarchyart Originally posted by kopema And as for raiding-only games - I wonder why there's no market for that? Lots of people working dilligently together as one collective whole to share equally in all the rewards. From each according to his abilities; to each according to his needs. Heck, you'd think that would be a Gamer's Paradise.
Perhaps a nice game of Yahtzee or Snakes and Ladders would be more to your taste.
So let's see if we have this straight now, you think that people OTHER THAN YOU are "obtuse?"
Oh yeah, you've got a real handle on that whole "getting the point" thing.
I wasn't being obtuse, I was being facetious. Google it.
It's real easy, make a raid and non-raid server. I predict more people hate raiding then like it and the raid server has a puny population. Thats why raiders hate the idea.
BTW, I believe there are ten times as many people that despise raids and raiders, prove me wrong...your opinion that more wants raids is not supported by any hard data. You just want it to be that way.
If you have any questions please ask. I have moved on to WoW from eq and no longer have any desire to play a dead game. Thank you. (posted by another selling his account in EQ1)
Originally posted by anarchyart Originally posted by kopema Originally posted by anarchyart Originally posted by kopema And as for raiding-only games - I wonder why there's no market for that? Lots of people working dilligently together as one collective whole to share equally in all the rewards. From each according to his abilities; to each according to his needs. Heck, you'd think that would be a Gamer's Paradise.
Perhaps a nice game of Yahtzee or Snakes and Ladders would be more to your taste.
So let's see if we have this straight now, you think that people OTHER THAN YOU are "obtuse?"
Oh yeah, you've got a real handle on that whole "getting the point" thing.
I wasn't being obtuse, I was being facetious. Google it.
I hate to break this to you son, but the fact that you think other people aren't familiar with these terms says a lot more about you than it does about us. You must have made your community college very proud.
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Originally posted by anarchyart I wasn't being obtuse, I was being facetious. Google it.
I hate to break this to you son, but the fact that you think other people aren't familiar with these terms says a lot more about you than it does about us. You must have made your community college very proud.
He assumes that everyone who disagrees with him is stupid; everyone who doesn't share his tastes must not be capable of appreciating anything; and everyone who thinks he's not funny must not even understand the concept of humor.
It's a mistake to assume that the fashionable emphasis on self esteem to the exclusion of every other subject teaches nothing. There may not be a lot of structure to his arguments, but there is most definitely a pattern here.
correct me if im wrong, but how the hell does someone else raiding affect your game, can you not do what you do for fun, earn a bit of gold or whatever currency there is and buy some raid loot off someone, of course that is assuming its sellable.
personally i dont have a problem with raiding ive done it a few times its ok, its not my favorite play style, but sometimes its fun for a while, and you can find some decent grouping partners that way too, its a good social experience, and yes that includes laughing at the losers with bad attitudes.
Originally posted by interfekter correct me if im wrong, but how the hell does someone else raiding affect your game,
It doesn't. That's not what anyone here is talking about.
...and yes that includes laughing at the losers with bad attitudes.
Exactly: as long as you enjoy the heck out of raiding, and don't demand "special" treatment because of all the "work" you put in compared to everyone else playing the same game, then you don't fall into that category.
Originally posted by Amathe I hate to break this to you son, but the fact that you think other people aren't familiar with these terms says a lot more about you than it does about us. You must have made your community college very proud.
The fact that you had to call me son says a lot more about you than it does about me. Pwnt.
Originally posted by kopema Originally posted by Amathe
Originally posted by anarchyart I wasn't being obtuse, I was being facetious. Google it.
I hate to break this to you son, but the fact that you think other people aren't familiar with these terms says a lot more about you than it does about us. You must have made your community college very proud.
He assumes that everyone who disagrees with him is stupid; everyone who doesn't share his tastes must not be capable of appreciating anything; and everyone who thinks he's not funny must not even understand the concept of humor.
It's a mistake to assume that the fashionable emphasis on self esteem to the exclusion of every other subject teaches nothing. There may not be a lot of structure to his arguments, but there is most definitely a pattern here.
Something which you have been guilty of in more than one wordy post to the O.P., yes? I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning.
If the end game consist of something more than raiding, then great. I doubt it, though.
The problem with raids in EQ is that the gear is 100-200% better than groupable gear. I only compare this to EQ, because of who is making the game. Raiding consist of a lot of people piggybacking, where in groups everyone must participate. So you get better gear for less challenge.
Originally posted by anarchyart Originally posted by kopema He assumes that everyone who disagrees with him is stupid; everyone who doesn't share his tastes must not be capable of appreciating anything; and everyone who thinks he's not funny must not even understand the concept of humor. It's a mistake to assume that the fashionable emphasis on self esteem to the exclusion of every other subject teaches nothing. There may not be a lot of structure to his arguments, but there is most definitely a pattern here.
Something which you have been guilty of in more than one wordy post to the O.P., yes? I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning.
So I'm guilty of being similar to you?
Well, technically, that still doesn't constitute anything like reasoning, or take away from the content of any of the evil "words" that (somehow) make me a "hypocrite," but I have to admit that at least your insults are picking up some steam: compared to that, being called a "Fascist" was practically a compliment.
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How the heck do you assume to know what I like in games? And using Anofalye's broken english sig self quote as proof that he is one of the more coherent contributors to this thread? Go outside for a bit or something seriously.
I like everything I have heard about Vanguard. I probably won't be raiding but I think it's kewl that it has it if I want to. I'll be happy playing it however I can. Please tell me, what MMORPG do you enjoy playing?
"You'd never in a million years bother raiding in a game that had only raiding in it"? What in the crap are you even talking about? lol
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But since you think with your arse that's understandable.
I will try to educate you a bit since apparently you don't have a clue what you are talking about.
I played EQ, EQ2 and WOW for several years each one of them, and in all of them all the best gear drops 100% from raids, therefore you are forced to play raids if you want uber gear, there is no choice (except in WOW you can also PVP to get it).
Of course you can choose not to raid, but you will never have the best equimpent if you choose so.
Have the decency to inform yourself before your open your mouth and before starting to talk bollocks as your usual.
Lol WoW is a new game? 2 years is a new game? That was really funny.
I have 3 lvl 60 and I am already sick of it, that's how new this game is.
And yes at 60 there is nothing else to do but raid and PVP.
Carry on with the excellent job to make yourself look like a prat, you are doing a very good job, far better job that I could ever do.
You tried to be smart and clever.
You just showing everyone that you are neither of them, but a pompous git.
Give up mate.....oh no wait, pls stay..........keep entertaining me
For the quest, if it is a grouping quest I see no problem with it.
For crafting, I am ready to put with that evil...but what you say is basically right, however, I am ready to cope with tradeskills, even if there should be no tradeskills affecting grouping IMO. But yes, tradeskills is, in theory, just as wrong as raiding...yet...it is something that is a lot less nasty and easy to bear than raiding, so if it is a necessary evil, let's be it. DDO made many mistakes, but they did understand this point quite well. Tradeskills belong to SIMs and the like IMO. Enforcing tradeskills on groupers is a bad idea, but it is a bad idea I can deal with...which remind me the meditating book and the boats honestly.
Diplomacy, see crafting.
Raiding, sorry, but I won't bear such a despictable gameplay. There is a fine line between boring and despictable, raiding cross that line.
Sooo as long as raiding have no impact on grouping, I can't care less, the day it gave 1 HP, I ask for it removal just as if it was PvP. In fact, PvP is less offensive, I know the 10 years old ganker is enjoying killing me at least...
And yet........... It is not necessary to have the "Sword of Death" to play Vanguard.
Your logic is incredibly ludicrous. If I am wielding an awsome sword and your envious of me and I tell you I got it with just a small group working cohesively, your "ok with that" ...? But If I say I got it on a raid, your upset...?
Sounds to me like you don't like the idea of Raid drops because you know you'll never have one. Either because you don't play well with others OR.. because you can't look the item up on the Net and easily assemble a small group and camp the item. OR.. Because your the type of person who can't "take it all in" and understand, digest & comprehend whats going on with 20 people tackling a problem. You simply just don't have the skillset to be on a raid, therefore you tell yourself you don't like them to protect your ego. And.. boy... you have a big ego.
You lumps "raids" in as if all raids are exactly the same... or is if even raids on different games are the same. That alone shows me your incredibly ignorant to the many aspects of raiding.
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-Zvorak
You said it very nicely, succintly, and cleary so everyone can understand! This sentence is definitely nice and well put. And 20% of the superior gears been raid-only, is 20% too much.
But amassing 15+ people to tackle an infested mine and cohesively dig deeper at the infestation is alot harder than 5 people at the upper part of the mine just killing off the larvae and other minions, when the real root of evil is unknown to you... is it not ?
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20% to raid is unacceptable. I ain't that happy about solo, yet I can live with it as I can solo and enjoy it, even if I rather group. Raiding is certainly not going to happen and a clear and direct mistake. See, you can enforce soloing on every grouper, it isn't that bad. They won't be happy, but they will live with it. You can enforce solo and grouping on raiders, they won't be happy but they can live with it. But you can't enforce raiding on groupers, this is just something they can't cope with and deal with, it is a foreign gameplay that has nothing to do with grouping and have many ramifications completely unrelated to grouping.
I don't know which part is so hard to understand. See, I can enforce a math exam with additions on everyones. I can enforce a math exam with fractions on kids that are 12+. I can enforce a math exam with integrals and such advance math on adults. But I can't enforce fractions on a 6 year old kid. I can't enforce math-integral on a 14 year old kid! There is a side, a way, where it can work. You can enforce solo on everyone, but you can't enforce raiding on anyone. Just basic common sense.
Sigil isn't forcing you to do anything. They have a world (Telon) for you to go and explore. If you are unable to get somewhere on your own then you brings some friends... if it still to tough you might have to enlist more.
If you don't have friends or people don't like grouping with you, then your never going to see whats behind those heavily armored Sentries guarding the Goblin king.
Gameplay is no harder than that to understand. It's obvious that 90% of the dungeon is easily accessable to a well oiled group... the last and toughest part will require like-minded people who are willing to stick their necks out for each other to get to the last 10%.
Funny thing is, it won't be every dungeon... but just 2 out of every 10 (20%). If your so incredible narcissistic that Sigil must change those last 2 dungeons to suit your icredible inept playing style, you should use your big ego and start designing your own carebear MMORPG..!
There are those players that occasional enjoy taking it to the next level and don't mind not being rewarded for it the first, second, third or forth time. But eventually, they know if their friends stick together they will find an Item to suite their specific class and have an item of extreme value.
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-Zvorak
No. It simply isn't.
By your logic, it's a LOT harder to field a good marching band than a good football team. Only 11 football players are on the field at a time and frequently one player is the difference maker. Many marching bands have 300 members and each member has to perfectly coordinate with the others. Buts it's not just about the numbers.
Whether you solo or group or raid, you're just killing pixilated monsters. Sure, the monsters in dungeons do more damage and have more hit points. Sometimes there are more of them. But you also have a lot more guys banging on them! *Look, he's got two coconuts and is banging them together*. You have priests to heal you and people to buff you and people to debuff the monsters and etc, etc, etc. Whereas the smaller the group the less help you have.
The idea that raiding involves more risk is pure fiction - a fiction designed to support the equally absurd notion that such people have someone "earned" greater rewards.
If you like raiding that's fine. If you like games that feature raiding, that's fine. But don't try and rationalize your "right" to better treasure by pretending you're doing something harder than what other people are doing, because you're not.
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As far as I know, there is no heavy lifting involved with any video game. So the word "hard" doesn't have anything to do with it. There is stuff that's fun to do, and there's stuff that isn't fun to do. And when is the last time you saw someone with a boring and completely unproductive job who didn't rationalize that he fully deserved his paycheck?
I can never help but see a similarity between a raider bragging about how "hard" his job is, and a ganker bragging about how "brave" he is compared to everyone else. Funny, if the rest of us are all so "cowardly" and "lazy," then you'd think THEY would be the ones wanting a game of their own.
But it turns out all the "tough" roleplaying gankers can't stand the thought of competing on an even basis on any of the terrific PvP-only games out there.
And as for raiding-only games - I wonder why there's no market for that? Lots of people working dilligently together as one collective whole to share equally in all the rewards. From each according to his abilities; to each according to his needs. Heck, you'd think that would be a Gamer's Paradise.
Perhaps a nice game of Yahtzee or Snakes and Ladders would be more to your taste.
So let's see if we have this straight now, you think that people OTHER THAN YOU are "obtuse?"
Oh yeah, you've got a real handle on that whole "getting the point" thing.
Ooooh so raiders get the best loot because they play the nicest? Lmao. I can see you have never done any serious raiding.
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Ooooh so raiders get the best loot because they play the nicest? Lmao. I can see you have never done any serious raiding.
Actually I have and "play nice" is an expression. I was using it to replace "work well together without being idiots" to save typing. I see I had to explain further and my attempt at efficiency was thwarted again by the effects of a sub-par educational system.
Perhaps a nice game of Yahtzee or Snakes and Ladders would be more to your taste.
So let's see if we have this straight now, you think that people OTHER THAN YOU are "obtuse?"
Oh yeah, you've got a real handle on that whole "getting the point" thing.
I wasn't being obtuse, I was being facetious. Google it.
It's real easy, make a raid and non-raid server. I predict more people hate raiding then like it and the raid server has a puny population. Thats why raiders hate the idea.
BTW, I believe there are ten times as many people that despise raids and raiders, prove me wrong...your opinion that more wants raids is not supported by any hard data. You just want it to be that way.
If you have any questions please ask. I have moved on to WoW from eq and no longer have any desire to play a dead game. Thank you. (posted by another selling his account in EQ1)
Perhaps a nice game of Yahtzee or Snakes and Ladders would be more to your taste.
So let's see if we have this straight now, you think that people OTHER THAN YOU are "obtuse?"
Oh yeah, you've got a real handle on that whole "getting the point" thing.
I wasn't being obtuse, I was being facetious. Google it.
I hate to break this to you son, but the fact that you think other people aren't familiar with these terms says a lot more about you than it does about us. You must have made your community college very proud.
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He assumes that everyone who disagrees with him is stupid; everyone who doesn't share his tastes must not be capable of appreciating anything; and everyone who thinks he's not funny must not even understand the concept of humor.
It's a mistake to assume that the fashionable emphasis on self esteem to the exclusion of every other subject teaches nothing. There may not be a lot of structure to his arguments, but there is most definitely a pattern here.
personally i dont have a problem with raiding ive done it a few times its ok, its not my favorite play style, but sometimes its fun for a while, and you can find some decent grouping partners that way too, its a good social experience, and yes that includes laughing at the losers with bad attitudes.
It doesn't. That's not what anyone here is talking about.
Exactly: as long as you enjoy the heck out of raiding, and don't demand "special" treatment because of all the "work" you put in compared to everyone else playing the same game, then you don't fall into that category.
Vanguard is not a game.
It is a way of life!
He assumes that everyone who disagrees with him is stupid; everyone who doesn't share his tastes must not be capable of appreciating anything; and everyone who thinks he's not funny must not even understand the concept of humor.
It's a mistake to assume that the fashionable emphasis on self esteem to the exclusion of every other subject teaches nothing. There may not be a lot of structure to his arguments, but there is most definitely a pattern here.
Something which you have been guilty of in more than one wordy post to the O.P., yes? I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning.
The problem with raids in EQ is that the gear is 100-200% better than groupable gear. I only compare this to EQ, because of who is making the game. Raiding consist of a lot of people piggybacking, where in groups everyone must participate. So you get better gear for less challenge.
So I'm guilty of being similar to you?
Well, technically, that still doesn't constitute anything like reasoning, or take away from the content of any of the evil "words" that (somehow) make me a "hypocrite," but I have to admit that at least your insults are picking up some steam: compared to that, being called a "Fascist" was practically a compliment.