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unsubtantiated claims made by people trying to refute christianity or religion in general..there is no way to prove any of that.
"but there is no way to prove your faith either!!"
Yes well that's why they call it "faith" You can have your faith, and I can have mine, but don't make claims that you have no way whatsoever of proving about MY faith, and I will do you that same courtesy
The burden of proof lies on the person making the unsubstantiated claim. You claim a big invisible man created you and wrote a book, you carry the burden of proof. Why would I have to provide proof that he doesn't exist? That makes no sense.
You need to learn how to read more carefully, it's already in my post...you are truly the most mentally dense person that I have ever come across on an internet forum.
All I see in that post is that I can't disprove your faith, which is exactly my point. Faith is the undying belief in something you have no idea about, and when asked to prove, you can't. The burden of proof does not lie with me to "disprove" your faith. If I'm missing something from your post, please hilight the part that proves God's existence and everything.
again completely missing the point and iignoring everything but what suits your chance to bitch at me...do you TRY to be this dense? I never said that I could prove the existance of God, highlight where I said that please.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
unsubtantiated claims made by people trying to refute christianity or religion in general..there is no way to prove any of that.
"but there is no way to prove your faith either!!"
Yes well that's why they call it "faith" You can have your faith, and I can have mine, but don't make claims that you have no way whatsoever of proving about MY faith, and I will do you that same courtesy
The burden of proof lies on the person making the unsubstantiated claim. You claim a big invisible man created you and wrote a book, you carry the burden of proof. Why would I have to provide proof that he doesn't exist? That makes no sense.
You need to learn how to read more carefully, it's already in my post...you are truly the most mentally dense person that I have ever come across on an internet forum.
All I see in that post is that I can't disprove your faith, which is exactly my point. Faith is the undying belief in something you have no idea about, and when asked to prove, you can't. The burden of proof does not lie with me to "disprove" your faith. If I'm missing something from your post, please hilight the part that proves God's existence and everything.
again completely missing the point and iignoring everything but what suits your chance to bitch at me...do you TRY to be this dense? I never said that I could prove the existance of God, highlight where I said that please.
So are we going to argue in circles or shall you keep calling me dense? Clearly state your point and I'll provide a counter-point.
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How about we attempt to create the world's longest quote chain.
There is no point in me providing you with a counter argument and point, I have repeatedly answered questions of yours in different threads and you simply come back asking the same questions but with different words.(all starting with the Catholic debate) At this point I don't even know why I bother with you. I give you frequent answers, site frequent examples, and yet you persist, asking the same questions, asking for proof of everything that I say, while using cop out arguements yourself to render your vague and broad points, such as the sitation that it's impossible to prove the existance of God...well Modjoe...umm, DUH? How the hell am I supposed to provide you with a counter argument to that, it's so blaringly obvious that nobody can prove that, that trying to would just lead us into an even bigger chain of quote threads. So this time, I'm going to just back out, you aren't worth the effort anymore.
I can't for the life of me understand why it is that you seem to intentionally search out my posts and attempt to find a hole in them. Of course you are going to find holes in debate about religion...my origional point was that there is no way to prove that there were "multiple Jesus'" and that people tend to conjur things like that up for themselves because they seek to disprove something that really can't be proven or disproven.(Hello DaVinci code) Your initial flame on me in this particular thread really had very little to do with my actual point...burden of proof lying with me? Actually it doesn't, because I did not start the initial discussion about the existence of multiple people calling themselves Jesus, so how about you talk to the person that I origionally quoted and ask him? Or is he just not quite as fun as me, because he doesn't provide you with quite so much reading material? Don't bother answering that, I'm pretty sure you'll just say something along the lines of "no but you make unsubstantiated claims and I will not allow that" or something of that nature...please, spare me, because again, you would be missing the point entirely.
I will pray for you tonight, and I'm not telling you that because I am a pig headed, self righteous Christian...I tell you that so that you will know that despite what I have written here, I sincerely hope that you will find whatever it is that you are looking for, and that it will be good enough to satisfy your obvious contempt for something, though I'm not quite sure what that something is.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Secondly, I wasn't referring to multiple Jesus' when I say you make unsubstantiated claims, I referred to God in general. If God can't be proven or disproven, why do you try to convince people that he exists? On a further note, if you can't prove or disprove it, why would you logically place your utmost belief in a hole-filled heap of hope? And if you answer with the cliche "Faith defies logic," tell me why? Why does your faith defy logic when everything else in this world needs logic to have any footing? Maybe I'm missing the point entirely, which I am sure you will point out. Rather than answering my questions, you conveniently tell me you have answered them in the past, then call me dense. Cite these answers, that's how the game works.
Don't pray for me. I don't want your prayers. I don't see the necessity in finding what I'm looking for, because I actually like thinking for myself. I'm not so easily swayed by a book written by people, and compiled by people. People are idiots by nature, especially those 2000 years ago.
And you never answered my question about that fight you picked with a pothead. I'll just assume you didn't see it, as you conveniently avoided it.
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All the hylie sylasie stuff came many years later.
The Catholic Church is not just the source of one interpretation of the bible, but dozens, because jaywalking became such a problem in the vatican city people tried to get the pope to declare it a sin so people would stop doing it, right there is proof of how common it is for the roman cathoholics to manipulate gods word.
Wow. That's truly amazing.
So, do you have any sources to back up these grand revelations, or are you just talking out of your ass again?
No one's really given a good enough answer.
And saying "No no it's a fact!" is NOT a good enough answer.
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Here's a fact that might just blow your mind, the oldest copy of the bible was found in Ethiopia, and is what rastafarianism is based on, contrary to popular belief theres alot more to being a rasta than smoking weed, like never cooking food, and never consuming hard drink (even vinegar), also they call christ "the blackest jew to ever walk the earth".
That's a nonsense statement unfortunately. Considering there are over 10 accepted versions of the Bible, the oldest one cannot be from Ethiopia, because it's not the same as all 10 of the other versions. Make sense? No? Good, because it shouldnt, because like I said, it's nonsense. You should have said 'the oldest copy of a book similar to the other Bibles was found in Ethiopia.' Now the statement has so much less weight though.
All the hylie sylasie stuff came many years later.
The Catholic Church is not just the source of one interpretation of the bible, but dozens, because jaywalking became such a problem in the vatican city people tried to get the pope to declare it a sin so people would stop doing it, right there is proof of how common it is for the roman cathoholics to manipulate gods word.
God damn americans. 'Jaywalking' isn't a crime here in Europe. I've walked right down the middle of streets in Rome, and there's no law against it - it's not even looked down upon, also, traffic in Vatican City is hardly bad, and therefore 'jaywalking' presents no real issue.. Thus, unless you can provide me with a cite to prove your completely ridiculous claim, move on, find a different thread to spread drivel in please.
Did you even read the scriptures? Or are you intent on bending the truth to somehow suit it to pertain to catholic tradition?
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
Tell me what you would constitute as proof and I'll find it for you. A book these words are published in? A reputable website? What more do you want?
Originally posted by cathurian
Bishop Eusebius of Caesarea, The Chronicle, AD 303: The Apostle Peter, after he has established the church in Antioch, is sent to Rome, where he remains as a bishop of that city, preaching the gospel for twenty-five years.
Optatus, The Schism of the Donatists 2:2, A.D. 367: You cannot deny that you are aware that in the city of Rome the episcopal chair was given first to Peter; the chair in which Peter sat, the same who was head—that is why he is also called Cephas [‘Rock’]—of all the apostles; the one chair in which unity is maintained by all.
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"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
This pretty much says it all right here:
At one point did I say that I could prove that God existed? You are not only putting words in my mouth, you are also using those words to argue with yourself.
I have no idea what you are talking about "when you picked a fight with a pot head" I think maybe you should go look at the thread where you calculated how much you spend on booze and "not so legal activities" and make sure you aren't spending so much that you have started to hallucinate...not that you should need to, as you have already pulled me saying that I could prove the existance of God out of thin air.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
At one point did I say that I could prove that God existed? You are not only putting words in my mouth, you are also using those words to argue with yourself.
I have no idea what you are talking about "when you picked a fight with a pot head" I think maybe you should go look at the thread where you calculated how much you spend on booze and "not so legal activities" and make sure you aren't spending so much that you have started to hallucinate...not that you should need to, as you have already pulled me saying that I could prove the existance of God out of thin air.
If you have conveniently forgotten about the thread where you called some guy a pothead, then proceeded to beat him up with your black belt, then so be it. And don't pull the holier than thou bullshit on me. If you've never done anything illegal in your life you're lying to yourself. I can just assign a numerical value to some of my vices.
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OOOOOOH I remember that post now...uhh yeah, way to take something out of context.
I posted that because some guy was talking about a fight that he recently had, and my "I beat up a pothead" story was the last fight that I had been in...it wasn't a "look at me I'm a black belt and can beat up drug users" post by any stretch..it was just me sharing a similar experience. The fact that the guy was a pot head was inconsiquential, and only came about because for whatever reason, I chose to call the guy a pothead for two reasons, 1:because he was one 2:Because it was the first thing that came to mind after he did something stupid. I also fail to see how that even remotely relates to a post about God, or you putting words in my mouth and saying that I could prove the existance of God...but good try at bringing up something totaly irrelevant and trying to act like it should matter!
And it's not Holier than thou bullshit, I actually legitimately thought that maybe you were too drunk to remember or maybe so drunk that you started just making random stuff up...you can't go around talking about how great you find alcohol and "not so legal activities" and then make outlandish posts and expect people to take you seriously.
by the way, I've never been drunk, or high, and I can count the number of times that I broke the law on one finger, and that was a speeding ticket...good try though.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
@Necran: I think a lot of people got the wrong idea about this forum. They saw the initial error in your request and went on a huge tangent. Let me clear the error up: Jesus Christ didn’t just exist historically, born of a virgin, crucified and rose from the dead. Jesus’ claim is to be God. This changes things to: God descended through a virgin, allowed us to kill Him as a martyr, releasing the Holy Spirit upon the world, and came back afterwards as the living God.
As to why you should believe on Jesus Christ as the only living God, who sacrificed Himself for your sins:
Sinning is to transgress or fail to meet up to a standard God set. Because He is holy and perfect, while we are imperfect, it goes to reason that all of us are sinners, and must pay some penance. The Jews believed in animal sacrifice until the temple was destroyed, and now obtain atonement through living a good life, Hosea 6:6. The Muslims believe genuine repentance, shown through acts of faith will suffice, Sahih Muslim, 37:6621. Christians believing on Jesus Christ as God become a new creation in Him, surrendering their life to His cause as a living sacrifice, Romans 12:1-21.
Muslims and Jews believe that, in addition to afterlife consequences, God punishes us for our sins while we are on earth. Christians believe that, in addition to afterlife consequences, sin separates us from God’s protection against Satan. We can no longer receive of His blessings when we fall out of His commandment, and we don’t really desire to leave His side. When we ask Jesus into our hearts, we fall in love with Him … all we want to do is please our Heavenly Father, John 14:21.