Originally posted by goneglockin WoW is too simple and relies on people paying to socialize- because once you level max and get uber gear that's it; there's no real gameplay to be had. I'll be glad when this fad passes. If you're bored and looking for better MMO's to play and finding yourself dissapointed. STOP PLAYING MMO's. There will be no more progress until we stop sending these snakeoil salesman our money. Who cares if WoW is releasing more grind? Don't resubscribe for it and don't give them your money. WoW doesn't have to die; it just needs to stop growing and start declining. Maybe then other developers won't be caught up in a clone war to see who can make the best knock off for the next 5 years. It's already been 7 years of EQ clones. The principles to MMORPGs really haven't changed since UO went trammie. It's carebear, grinding, and pixel crack. THAT'S IT. Stop buying it.
Isn't this to say that is the case of all mmorpg's before expansions? How is this a valid point I wonder and yet it is repeated so often. Do you actually understand what you are saying as you are thinking it or just typing it because you have a quick retort to an enjoyable experience which holds many things for many to do than just leveling to 60 and raiding. If i need to list them here then you truly are narrow minded.
Originally posted by Mrqdesade Do you actually understand what you are saying as you are thinking it or just typing it because you have a quick retort to an enjoyable experience which holds many things for many to do than just leveling to 60 and raiding.
There were a lot of words in that sentence, and none of them really belong together. In the future, you should read what you've typed at least three times before clicking "Post Message."
Originally posted by goneglockin WoW is too simple and relies on people paying to socialize- because once you level max and get uber gear that's it; there's no real gameplay to be had.I'll be glad when this fad passes. If you're bored and looking for better MMO's to play and finding yourself dissapointed. STOP PLAYING MMO's. There will be no more progress until we stop sending these snakeoil salesman our money. Who cares if WoW is releasing more grind? Don't resubscribe for it and don't give them your money. WoW doesn't have to die; it just needs to stop growing and start declining. Maybe then other developers won't be caught up in a clone war to see who can make the best knock off for the next 5 years.It's already been 7 years of EQ clones. The principles to MMORPGs really haven't changed since UO went trammie. It's carebear, grinding, and pixel crack. THAT'S IT. Stop buying it.
I totally agree. I would much rather stop playing MMOs altogether than "suck it up" and play a game that isn't fun. Watching many WoW players do exactly that makes me scratch my head and ask them "why?" Usually their response is something along the lines of "so I can pwn" or "so I can get epix." I just laugh.
Some of my best times were in WoW, but it certainly had nothing to do with epics, or with items at all for that matter. I had a few guildmates wandering through the Dwarven lands (we played Horde) and as we passed through one of the low-level Dwarven cities we thought it would be fun to kill some of the guards and such. Eventually we ended up in the basement of the local tavern, holding one of the decorative bedrooms hostage. It didn't really serve any purpose, we didn't get any bonuses from it and we weren't hurting the Alliance by taking it. I'll be damned if every single one of them didn't try to kill us though, and it was a blast.
I'm willing to bet none of them had raid gear. We were off making memories while the "hardcore" were making themselves miserable. You have to love the irony.
Originally posted by Mrqdesade Do you actually understand what you are saying as you are thinking it or just typing it because you have a quick retort to an enjoyable experience which holds many things for many to do than just leveling to 60 and raiding.
There were a lot of words in that sentence, and none of them really belong together. In the future, you should read what you've typed at least three times before clicking "Post Message."
I truly enjoy those who think they are above the rest with their better understanding of the english language.
I also noticed your quite the MMO player but yet you have not stayed with any one for any length of time. Personally I would say you have no business responding in kind here considering your very much a nomad across MMO's.
Remember this thread is about BC not about how MMO's are ruining gaming.
Again, you must be joking. This is going to be one of the biggest rip offs released for a MMO. Seriuosly, the 9 classes they do have were stale a year ago, and they can't come up with 1 new class.
No unfortunately, Anarchy Online: Alien Invasion is the winner here
Originally posted by Pkylan Originally posted by Gameloading Originally posted by Pkylan Originally posted by battleaxe22 wow is like mcdonalds ....you can eat wow ?
comparing foood with a video game ,a mmorpg is a little retarted ...but only a little
the only things that wow and mcdonalds have in common is the fact that they are both very popular
The burning crusade will get blizz 8mil subs + ...trust me on this one
now here's what we call a FanBoi who clearly seems to miss the before made point, to which i totally agree.
WoW is the Mcdonalds of the MMORPGs series: Its simple, its overadvertised, its vry populair with the normal crowd and its already bend over to recieve the royal boot that is named Warhammer Online. Now here's what we call a fanboi who agrees with flawed theory's to bash a game, only to have the illusion Warhammer online will have any effect on WoW.
Do you know why Mcdonalds is popular? Becuase Mcdonalds is everywhere. every town with more then 3 houses has a Mcdonalds. is Wow everywhere? yes, but not anymore then other MMO's.
Also, McDonalds has certain things that attracts children with parents (toy in happymeal, anyone?). what do you think children will pick, French fries and a hamburger, or a menu in a restaurant?. again, not the case with WoW.
The McDonalds theory is flawed. 1) 7 mill people, unmatched by far by any mmorpg
2) McDonalds has its happymeals, WoW has what we call the dominotheory: a dude plays it, he invites his friends, they play it, they invite their friends and they play it and so on, also its notorious for its popluarity among kids.
This happens in every MMORPG. Wow popular among kids? thats nice, I am sure you have a source to back that up?
3) stop using the Games is not Food argument, its about the common factors in both their success, if u cant make a decent comment, please leave.
Your arguement was flawed, and I proved you wrong
4) If u think WAR will not have any influence on WoW, then please refrain from commenting any further
Why? You can't take it I point out the obvious? mmorpg.com is the only place where WAR is hyped. in fact,I'm willing to bet most Warhammer fans don't even know of the existance of Warhammer online. Only very few gaming websites dedicate any attention to WAR.
I do not ''bash'' games, i like to review them accuratly, fanbois who say stop bashing my game after a bad conclusion is not worth replying to imho, but as a reward for an attempted decent reply, i give you my 2 cents.
Originally posted by Mrqdesade Originally posted by AethiosOriginally posted by MrqdesadeDo you actually understand what you are saying as you are thinking it or just typing it because you have a quick retort to an enjoyable experience which holds many things for many to do than just leveling to 60 and raiding.
There were a lot of words in that sentence, and none of them really belong together. In the future, you should read what you've typed at least three times before clicking "Post Message."
I truly enjoy those who think they are above the rest with their better understanding of the english language. I also noticed your quite the MMO player but yet you have not stayed with any one for any length of time. Personally I would say you have no business responding in kind here considering your very much a nomad across MMO's. Remember this thread is about BC not about how MMO's are ruining gaming.
And I truly enjoy those who think they know a person based on their understanding of the English language. I'm not bashing you for your poor language skills, I'm simply pointing out a useful tip for avoiding such mistakes in the future. Anyone who's been through grade school Computers studies has probably been told the same thing a dozen times, in a different context.
I appreciate your recognition, but you're totally wrong about me. I've stayed with many games for several years each. I'm also the type to stick with a company through thick and thin. Until, of course, that company refuses to acknowledge when they screw up.
I'll also thank you not to tell me where I can and cannot post. That's not for you to determine. Thanks for derailing the post and putting words in my mouth in the name of poor judgement.
Casuals will realize that WoW is trying to turn them into what they aren't. If casuals don't raid, enforcing raiding isn't going to wins them for you. Casuals have been waiting and forgiving this raiding end-game so far, hopefully they will stop doing this and just stand for what they want, raid-free gameplay.
Blizzard explain that the player-base is like a donut, raiding is the hole in the middle. They somehow think that they can change the casuals they appeal in-game toward raiding-fans, but the casuals are in the donuts around, not in the hole. This is a crude mistake, a mistake that hurt their fanbase everyday. Their expansion will hurt them.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Originally posted by Dis_Ordur ...serve as a stark reminder of how companies like SOE should maybe stick to simpler games, like side-scrollers... The amount of features and new content in this expansion will dwarf that of any other MMO's offerrings... It is sad really... Companies once thought they had 'game', but ole Blizz is rolling up the newspaper and smacking everyone over the nose... The bar has been raised for MMO's due to WoW, and now expansions will be pale in comparison to the mega-offerring that is the BC...
Other than 2 new races BC is making wow players opay for content most companys just patch in.
Originally posted by Ra've ... BC is making wow players pay for content most companys just patch in.
I agree. Blizzard, too, has been "just patching in" this same content for two years. They've added more content in individual patches than the entire Expansion Pack combined. This just goes to further prove that Blizzard has the means to do it, they simply choose not to for the sake of money.
Originally posted by Gameloading Originally posted by Aethios
I'd also like to point out that while WoW continuously reports that they have over 7 million accounts, most of them are from China. I'd be surprised if the total number of WESTERN accounts was more than 1 million.
And I'd like to point you towards the Blizzard official statement, where they clearly state the they have over 2 million players in the US, and 1 million in Europe. I thought it was 2 million for us abnd europe combined. But either way its at least 2 mill western nad at least 4 mill chinese.
No matter what people need to stop the simple 15 x 7 million. No matter what the Chinese players pay WoW is licensed to a chinese company and Blizz only gets a portion of that $15 from 2/3 of their players. I have seen estimates that Blizz sees about 1/15 the money out of china per player. TheNine pays operating costs in China though I believe.
And I'd like to point you towards the Blizzard official statement, where they clearly state the they have over 2 million players in the US, and 1 million in Europe.
Vivendi reports 7 million accounts which includes the penny per hour accounts in China. Their Chinese partner reports 5 million leaving 2 million accounts outside China. As you said, 1 million are in Europe where WoW is the first major MMO hit, most previous MMO hits like EQ2 and UO had a very small part of their base in Europe.
This leaves another 1 million, NOT 2 million in North America. That's less the 1.5 million the game was said to have in NA when it launched in China. So while the pennies per day accounts in China keep going up and up, the numbers suggest Blizzard has lost 1/3 of its accounts in North America which is where most MMO profits have traditionally came from.
Europe is just as profitable as North America for WoW, which isnt altogether surprising given that its run by a French owned company. Since 80% - 90% of these European players are new to MMOs (They have to be since there were only a few hundred thousand people playing MMOs in Euorpe before.) its tough to say which direction they will go in the long run. Unless another game can get it's marketing right in Europe it's safe to assume most of these people will continue to play WoW because it's the only real option.
I knew people would jump on this, but please tell me, do the patches and expansions offerred by EQ2 even come close to the size of the expanded world or change as much as BC will? Hardly, I played EQ2 for a long time, and there expansions were paltry and aimed exclusively at high level characters...
BC has two completely new starting areas that are 100% original with new monsters too... All EQ2 does is slap a new skin on a preexisting model and call it new... Also, the zones are horribly small in EQ2, I am willing to bet that the number of new dungeons, land and NPC's dwarfs that of any offerring by EQ2 cummulatively, or any other MMO for that matter...
SOE is pretty clever when it comes to expansions, they basically add shit onto a game that should have been present at release... When was the last time there was an alternative to CL, Ant or Nek? If you start a toon today, you will be guaranteed to spend an assload of time in the same zones you always have, this is part of the reason EQ2 doesn't hold my interest...
How can you people say "They are only adding two new races, big whoop", this is a pretty major add-on guys and gals... All have their own cities and starting areas too...
Ontop of the revamp, BC will be larger than any other expansion...
Originally posted by Dis_Ordur I knew people would jump on this, but please tell me, do the patches and expansions offerred by EQ2 even come close to the size of the expanded world or change as much as BC will? Hardly, I played EQ2 for a long time, and there expansions were paltry and aimed exclusively at high level characters... BC has two completely new starting areas that are 100% original with new monsters too... All EQ2 does is slap a new skin on a preexisting model and call it new... Also, the zones are horribly small in EQ2, I am willing to bet that the number of new dungeons, land and NPC's dwarfs that of any offerring by EQ2 cummulatively, or any other MMO for that matter... SOE is pretty clever when it comes to expansions, they basically add shit onto a game that should have been present at release... When was the last time there was an alternative to CL, Ant or Nek? If you start a toon today, you will be guaranteed to spend an assload of time in the same zones you always have, this is part of the reason EQ2 doesn't hold my interest... How can you people say "They are only adding two new races, big whoop", this is a pretty major add-on guys and gals... All have their own cities and starting areas too... Ontop of the revamp, BC will be larger than any other expansion... In the end, the gigabytes will do the talking...
Hold on. So are you saying they are adding a lot of content or a lot of features? Those are two quite different things. I do not actually know if they are adding a lot of content, but it does look like a dubstantial amount. But they are not adding anything all that special in regards to features.
I will stand by my other post and say when you combine both features and content BC is not all that different than the Kingdom of Sky +PvP additions to EQ2. It probably does have more content it would seem, although not more content than everything EQ2 has released since release, when you include Feydweyr.
Well since they dropped the NDA, I'm in the beta for BC. It's well designed, they've improved a lot of the aspects of the old game (Finally! A working LFG tool!). The new races are interesting enough, but in the end I'm not gonna buy it. I've just gotten bored of the WoW world, and while this is quite good for what it is, it's nothing new. I think this expansion is going to cause a huge shift in the playerbase. On the one hand, a lot of people are going to see it as more of the same and likely quit within a month of playing it. On the other hand, a lot of people that quit WoW due to things such as raiding imbalances, PvP problems, etc are likely going to come back and like it a lot. All in all, I think the subscriber numbers will stay roughly the same. I guess we'll see.
Hold on. So are you saying they are adding a lot of content or a lot of features? Those are two quite different things. I do not actually know if they are adding a lot of content, but it does look like a dubstantial amount. But they are not adding anything all that special in regards to features.
I will stand by my other post and say when you combine both features and content BC is not all that different than the Kingdom of Sky +PvP additions to EQ2. It probably does have more content it would seem, although not more content than everything EQ2 has released since release, when you include Feydweyr.
I am saying both, content and features...
And to your last point, like I said, we will let the gb do the talking... EQ2 considers content as being another different colored cave with gnolls running around, as if there wasn't enough gnolls already...
Originally posted by Dis_Ordur Originally posted by gestalt11
Hold on. So are you saying they are adding a lot of content or a lot of features? Those are two quite different things. I do not actually know if they are adding a lot of content, but it does look like a dubstantial amount. But they are not adding anything all that special in regards to features.
I will stand by my other post and say when you combine both features and content BC is not all that different than the Kingdom of Sky +PvP additions to EQ2. It probably does have more content it would seem, although not more content than everything EQ2 has released since release, when you include Feydweyr.
I am saying both, content and features...
And to your last point, like I said, we will let the gb do the talking... EQ2 considers content as being another different colored cave with gnolls running around, as if there wasn't enough gnolls already...
There are never enough gnolls. Are you some kinda speciesist or something?
This thread was an obvious troll, which accomplished its goal of getting those who disagree with his fanboi opinion to flame it hard..and proceed to battle with the supporters of WOW.
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Originally posted by Kyleran This thread was an obvious troll, which accomplished its goal of getting those who disagree with his fanboi opinion to flame it hard..and proceed to battle with the supporters of WOW. Keeps us from being bored here at work.
The man posted his opinion, since when is posting your opinion trolling? surely this site has a lot of pathetic haters that can't take it the game is popular, but that does not make one positive post a troll attempt.
Originally posted by Gameloading Originally posted by Kyleran This thread was an obvious troll, which accomplished its goal of getting those who disagree with his fanboi opinion to flame it hard..and proceed to battle with the supporters of WOW. Keeps us from being bored here at work.
The man posted his opinion, since when is posting your opinion trolling? surely this site has a lot of pathetic haters that can't take it the game is popular, but that does not make one positive post a troll attempt. Positive? When a post says one thing is better than everything else, that is both pisitive and negative. I would assume since it both claims that WoW is good and everything else in so inferior that it is put to shame that some people might assume it is a troll post given the in your face nature of ushc a statement.
It should be indisputable that this is more than just a "I love WoW" post, which would be positive. It is clearly a "My game is better than your game" post.
For $160,000,000.00 per month, not counting the initial 40-50 dollar investment, one would think they could crank out a little bit more than what you get in burning crusade, and a little bit quicker.
Last count 7 million and majority in china .Also try get your facts straight the chinese do not pay anything near $15 a month .Go find out their method of payment before you do your simple maths.
Okay Blizzard recently went about talking about how they have gotten 1billion off of WoW. Considering many MMORPGs are being produced for a 1/1000th of that from scratch you think that they should have had the resources to make a truely ground breaking expansion a little quicker with all that cash.
Now since I don't remember if the 1 bil is pure profit or gross even at a conservative 2-3% profit margian that is still what 20-30mil. thats the WORST case finacial situation for Blizzard. So hopefully thats better numbers for you. Would have gotten links but well I really don't care that much anymore.
Well fact is still that the chinese do not pay the classic monthly fee .
But i am happy that WoW was a huge hit as this has made companies more confident in mmorpg.Think pre late 2004 .There was a mmorpg canned every month because companies felt the market was saturated rather then think of expanding .
So at least now we have mutiple companies looking for the "pot of gold" and giving us loads of varieties.
Only problem is as an old time mmorpg i like many on this forum have gotten bored of the EQ style of play and doing things.Sadly,with WoW been such a huge hit and been moulded on the EQ1 principles of doing things i think we will be having loads of such style of gameplay as the preferred way for developers to go.
WoW probably even picked the EQ1 model (and by the way they also picked a few of the EQ1 old developers too) simply because EQ1 was so popular for 5 yrs+.Now that WoW using this similar formula is doing so well chances are the next huge hit will be based on this model.
The EQ1 model of games are actually fun and addictive thus it been the principle behind 2 of the games that sat as kings for last 7 years.But after a while you really want to see change and atm i see very few attempts to do so in last 2 years and the few that have done a different style of play have done a horrible job of it so far.
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Isn't this to say that is the case of all mmorpg's before expansions? How is this a valid point I wonder and yet it is repeated so often. Do you actually understand what you are saying as you are thinking it or just typing it because you have a quick retort to an enjoyable experience which holds many things for many to do than just leveling to 60 and raiding. If i need to list them here then you truly are narrow minded.
There were a lot of words in that sentence, and none of them really belong together. In the future, you should read what you've typed at least three times before clicking "Post Message."
I totally agree. I would much rather stop playing MMOs altogether than "suck it up" and play a game that isn't fun. Watching many WoW players do exactly that makes me scratch my head and ask them "why?" Usually their response is something along the lines of "so I can pwn" or "so I can get epix." I just laugh.
Some of my best times were in WoW, but it certainly had nothing to do with epics, or with items at all for that matter. I had a few guildmates wandering through the Dwarven lands (we played Horde) and as we passed through one of the low-level Dwarven cities we thought it would be fun to kill some of the guards and such. Eventually we ended up in the basement of the local tavern, holding one of the decorative bedrooms hostage. It didn't really serve any purpose, we didn't get any bonuses from it and we weren't hurting the Alliance by taking it. I'll be damned if every single one of them didn't try to kill us though, and it was a blast.
I'm willing to bet none of them had raid gear. We were off making memories while the "hardcore" were making themselves miserable. You have to love the irony.
There were a lot of words in that sentence, and none of them really belong together. In the future, you should read what you've typed at least three times before clicking "Post Message."
I truly enjoy those who think they are above the rest with their better understanding of the english language.
I also noticed your quite the MMO player but yet you have not stayed with any one for any length of time. Personally I would say you have no business responding in kind here considering your very much a nomad across MMO's.
Remember this thread is about BC not about how MMO's are ruining gaming.
Exactly.
No unfortunately, Anarchy Online: Alien Invasion is the winner here
WoW is the Mcdonalds of the MMORPGs series: Its simple, its overadvertised, its vry populair with the normal crowd and its already bend over to recieve the royal boot that is named Warhammer Online.
Now here's what we call a fanboi who agrees with flawed theory's to bash a game, only to have the illusion Warhammer online will have any effect on WoW.
Do you know why Mcdonalds is popular? Becuase Mcdonalds is everywhere. every town with more then 3 houses has a Mcdonalds. is Wow everywhere? yes, but not anymore then other MMO's.
Also, McDonalds has certain things that attracts children with parents (toy in happymeal, anyone?). what do you think children will pick, French fries and a hamburger, or a menu in a restaurant?. again, not the case with WoW.
The McDonalds theory is flawed.
1) 7 mill people, unmatched by far by any mmorpg
2) McDonalds has its happymeals, WoW has what we call the dominotheory: a dude plays it, he invites his friends, they play it, they invite their friends and they play it and so on, also its notorious for its popluarity among kids.
This happens in every MMORPG. Wow popular among kids? thats nice, I am sure you have a source to back that up?
3) stop using the Games is not Food argument, its about the common factors in both their success, if u cant make a decent comment, please leave.
Your arguement was flawed, and I proved you wrong
4) If u think WAR will not have any influence on WoW, then please refrain from commenting any further
Why? You can't take it I point out the obvious? mmorpg.com is the only place where WAR is hyped. in fact,I'm willing to bet most Warhammer fans don't even know of the existance of Warhammer online. Only very few gaming websites dedicate any attention to WAR.
I do not ''bash'' games, i like to review them accuratly, fanbois who say stop bashing my game after a bad conclusion is not worth replying to imho, but as a reward for an attempted decent reply, i give you my 2 cents.
also cocks.
There were a lot of words in that sentence, and none of them really belong together. In the future, you should read what you've typed at least three times before clicking "Post Message."
I truly enjoy those who think they are above the rest with their better understanding of the english language.
I also noticed your quite the MMO player but yet you have not stayed with any one for any length of time. Personally I would say you have no business responding in kind here considering your very much a nomad across MMO's.
Remember this thread is about BC not about how MMO's are ruining gaming.
And I truly enjoy those who think they know a person based on their understanding of the English language. I'm not bashing you for your poor language skills, I'm simply pointing out a useful tip for avoiding such mistakes in the future. Anyone who's been through grade school Computers studies has probably been told the same thing a dozen times, in a different context.
I appreciate your recognition, but you're totally wrong about me. I've stayed with many games for several years each. I'm also the type to stick with a company through thick and thin. Until, of course, that company refuses to acknowledge when they screw up.
I'll also thank you not to tell me where I can and cannot post. That's not for you to determine. Thanks for derailing the post and putting words in my mouth in the name of poor judgement.
...ring the decline of WoW.
Casuals will realize that WoW is trying to turn them into what they aren't. If casuals don't raid, enforcing raiding isn't going to wins them for you. Casuals have been waiting and forgiving this raiding end-game so far, hopefully they will stop doing this and just stand for what they want, raid-free gameplay.
Blizzard explain that the player-base is like a donut, raiding is the hole in the middle. They somehow think that they can change the casuals they appeal in-game toward raiding-fans, but the casuals are in the donuts around, not in the hole. This is a crude mistake, a mistake that hurt their fanbase everyday. Their expansion will hurt them.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
I agree. Blizzard, too, has been "just patching in" this same content for two years. They've added more content in individual patches than the entire Expansion Pack combined. This just goes to further prove that Blizzard has the means to do it, they simply choose not to for the sake of money.
I'd also like to point out that while WoW continuously reports that they have over 7 million accounts, most of them are from China. I'd be surprised if the total number of WESTERN accounts was more than 1 million.
And I'd like to point you towards the Blizzard official statement, where they clearly state the they have over 2 million players in the US, and 1 million in Europe.
I thought it was 2 million for us abnd europe combined. But either way its at least 2 mill western nad at least 4 mill chinese.
No matter what people need to stop the simple 15 x 7 million. No matter what the Chinese players pay WoW is licensed to a chinese company and Blizz only gets a portion of that $15 from 2/3 of their players. I have seen estimates that Blizz sees about 1/15 the money out of china per player. TheNine pays operating costs in China though I believe.
Vivendi reports 7 million accounts which includes the penny per hour accounts in China. Their Chinese partner reports 5 million leaving 2 million accounts outside China. As you said, 1 million are in Europe where WoW is the first major MMO hit, most previous MMO hits like EQ2 and UO had a very small part of their base in Europe.
This leaves another 1 million, NOT 2 million in North America. That's less the 1.5 million the game was said to have in NA when it launched in China. So while the pennies per day accounts in China keep going up and up, the numbers suggest Blizzard has lost 1/3 of its accounts in North America which is where most MMO profits have traditionally came from.
Europe is just as profitable as North America for WoW, which isnt altogether surprising given that its run by a French owned company. Since 80% - 90% of these European players are new to MMOs (They have to be since there were only a few hundred thousand people playing MMOs in Euorpe before.) its tough to say which direction they will go in the long run. Unless another game can get it's marketing right in Europe it's safe to assume most of these people will continue to play WoW because it's the only real option.
I knew people would jump on this, but please tell me, do the patches and expansions offerred by EQ2 even come close to the size of the expanded world or change as much as BC will? Hardly, I played EQ2 for a long time, and there expansions were paltry and aimed exclusively at high level characters...
BC has two completely new starting areas that are 100% original with new monsters too... All EQ2 does is slap a new skin on a preexisting model and call it new... Also, the zones are horribly small in EQ2, I am willing to bet that the number of new dungeons, land and NPC's dwarfs that of any offerring by EQ2 cummulatively, or any other MMO for that matter...
SOE is pretty clever when it comes to expansions, they basically add shit onto a game that should have been present at release... When was the last time there was an alternative to CL, Ant or Nek? If you start a toon today, you will be guaranteed to spend an assload of time in the same zones you always have, this is part of the reason EQ2 doesn't hold my interest...
How can you people say "They are only adding two new races, big whoop", this is a pretty major add-on guys and gals... All have their own cities and starting areas too...
Ontop of the revamp, BC will be larger than any other expansion...
In the end, the gigabytes will do the talking...
I will stand by my other post and say when you combine both features and content BC is not all that different than the Kingdom of Sky +PvP additions to EQ2. It probably does have more content it would seem, although not more content than everything EQ2 has released since release, when you include Feydweyr.
I will stand by my other post and say when you combine both features and content BC is not all that different than the Kingdom of Sky +PvP additions to EQ2. It probably does have more content it would seem, although not more content than everything EQ2 has released since release, when you include Feydweyr.
I am saying both, content and features...
And to your last point, like I said, we will let the gb do the talking... EQ2 considers content as being another different colored cave with gnolls running around, as if there wasn't enough gnolls already...
I will stand by my other post and say when you combine both features and content BC is not all that different than the Kingdom of Sky +PvP additions to EQ2. It probably does have more content it would seem, although not more content than everything EQ2 has released since release, when you include Feydweyr.
I am saying both, content and features...
And to your last point, like I said, we will let the gb do the talking... EQ2 considers content as being another different colored cave with gnolls running around, as if there wasn't enough gnolls already...
There are never enough gnolls. Are you some kinda speciesist or something?
This thread was an obvious troll, which accomplished its goal of getting those who disagree with his fanboi opinion to flame it hard..and proceed to battle with the supporters of WOW.
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Positive? When a post says one thing is better than everything else, that is both pisitive and negative. I would assume since it both claims that WoW is good and everything else in so inferior that it is put to shame that some people might assume it is a troll post given the in your face nature of ushc a statement.
It should be indisputable that this is more than just a "I love WoW" post, which would be positive. It is clearly a "My game is better than your game" post.
10 million subscribers
16 dollars a month
For $160,000,000.00 per month, not counting the initial 40-50 dollar investment, one would think they could crank out a little bit more than what you get in burning crusade, and a little bit quicker.
Last count 7 million and majority in china .Also try get your facts straight the chinese do not pay anything near $15 a month .Go find out their method of payment before you do your simple maths.
Okay Blizzard recently went about talking about how they have gotten 1billion off of WoW. Considering many MMORPGs are being produced for a 1/1000th of that from scratch you think that they should have had the resources to make a truely ground breaking expansion a little quicker with all that cash.
Now since I don't remember if the 1 bil is pure profit or gross even at a conservative 2-3% profit margian that is still what 20-30mil. thats the WORST case finacial situation for Blizzard. So hopefully thats better numbers for you. Would have gotten links but well I really don't care that much anymore.
Well fact is still that the chinese do not pay the classic monthly fee .
But i am happy that WoW was a huge hit as this has made companies more confident in mmorpg.Think pre late 2004 .There was a mmorpg canned every month because companies felt the market was saturated rather then think of expanding .
So at least now we have mutiple companies looking for the "pot of gold" and giving us loads of varieties.
Only problem is as an old time mmorpg i like many on this forum have gotten bored of the EQ style of play and doing things.Sadly,with WoW been such a huge hit and been moulded on the EQ1 principles of doing things i think we will be having loads of such style of gameplay as the preferred way for developers to go.
WoW probably even picked the EQ1 model (and by the way they also picked a few of the EQ1 old developers too) simply because EQ1 was so popular for 5 yrs+.Now that WoW using this similar formula is doing so well chances are the next huge hit will be based on this model.
The EQ1 model of games are actually fun and addictive thus it been the principle behind 2 of the games that sat as kings for last 7 years.But after a while you really want to see change and atm i see very few attempts to do so in last 2 years and the few that have done a different style of play have done a horrible job of it so far.