Originally posted by dookseid Obraik, How are you related to Helios? Really, no BS. I am just curious... I understand that Helios is in a difficult position. I really do. But what hasn't changed is that he was on the team when Jeff and other "...smart people..." came up with what you are playing now. And the only way they seem to be able to make it palletteable is to add things that they ripped out with their design that was so fun they "...shouldn't do this." I am a very forgiving person myself. But to forgive someone, they first have to admit a mistake. The only mistake I have seen anyone admit to was in the "timing" of the NGE. Not good enough. Giving back what was taken away without an apology or explanation is not in itself an admission of guilt of having done anything wrong. This is not a court of law, noone is on trial here so I will try to stop being so overly dramatic but what this is is common sense versus stupidity. Common sense tells me these things are coming back because of stupid mistakes made. Was Helios in charge? No. Was he involved? Most definitely. So involved they promoted him. Does he know what went wrong? Apparently not. He has to ask what went wrong and then throw temper tantrums when the folks on the oForums point out that it was what he and the team did to the game that was wrong. Begrudgingly and with a sense of disbelief he gives some of these things back thumbing his nose at the community the whole time he is doing it and you refuse to see it for what it is. He is not smart enough to come up with new and exciting content without it being a total debacle. (Restuss anyone??) They can't even get the transfer of GCW and Faction points to a workable level. Don't believe me? Just read the forums. Are you a doctor or nurse Obraik? Just wondering because the way you nurse this sick game surely smacks of blind compassion. Take care...
Oh, I think Hekios needs a wipe. _______________________________________________________________________________________ "If Helios hadn't been promoted to that position and Jeff kept the job Helios now has, would these older features be being worked into the new game?"
I don't know. What I do know is that no matter, you would be praising him for it.
Edited for undue harshness to Obraik. My apologies.
If you're not in a position of authority, how can you be blamed for the way something turned out? At the end of a day, it's a job he has. If you want to keep you job and have bread on the table, you do as your boss says. Sure, he could have said no and refused to do it and that would please some people here, but it potentially sabotages his career since he's unlikely to get a good reference for it.
I see it simply for how it is. Before the lead designer position changed hands, we were being told that so many things we have now couldn't/wouldn't be done. Soon after that happened these same things started happening. These are things people have been asking for and you're going to have a hard time convincing me that I should be hating the Dev team for listening to what people have been asking for. Don't bring up the whole "they're not listening to cries for a rollback to classic servers" because that's moving backwards and we're back to the core issues we had.
As for Helios' posts and calling them tantrums, I think you and many others are reading WAY too much into them and making an issue of something that isn't really there.
This isn't about me sticking up for the game or for Helios, to me it's just common sense stuff, which I think is being lost here because people have become so involved in everything and aren't stepping back and looking at things. Alot here are blinded by their hate.
Obriak I do NOT have to hate anything to see a giant clusterfuck.
Again.... see what these people are telling you... Common sense, logic.... see it, not from me but others even.
Sooner or later you'll "get it"... it will hit you and you will just wonder why.
Somthing will happen that will make you question all that you trusted sooner or later... your the most forgiving consumer I know I think. I wish all people were like you in that sense because alot of us could be more successful.
Crap, Looking at things for what they are is worse then what your doing, that made no sense to me that you said that.
Some of us are looking at them for what they are, so far I see a mess and a joke of a product... BUT don't let me tell you that, let the rest of the population and these Devs, or Creators of the game, or Producers of the game or the President of the company even.
See, the SOE boards do not allow that info to hit them... so those players are , well..... clueless as to what is going on.
If half of them knew that Smedley himself called the NGE a mistake and the current version somthing he wishes he never did, I can tell you that normal people with common sense MAY NOT like to hear that about thier game they invest time in.
This is the type of problem we have now.... getting that info to them, so they can be informed and make a wiser choice of thier time. If anything sooner or later somthing will have to give.
I can also tell you that SOE is not really out there dumping huge money into anything SWG... this is a old project... it seems to be on the back burner now. LEC is not even out there promoting it heavy... so far it is know as the bastard child MMO -- I have NOT SEEN ONE, NOT ONE good review or one good thing said about the NGE from ANY DEV or even themselves... I mean that is the worst part--- THIER OWN COMPANY IS CALLING IT A MISTAKE FOR CRAP SAKE.
At what point do you ask yourself "WTF?" ---
You assume I've felt screwed over and have forgiven them.
That's not the case at all. I don't feel and haven't felt screwed over in any way. You obviously saw the game as something more then just a game. I on the other hand have always simply treated it as a game, and as long as the game is fun to play I'll continue to play it. The day I stop playing is the day it stopped being fun for me, not because I felt screwed over since I don't allow myself to get that emotionally attached to the game.
Originally posted by dookseid For starters, nothing Obraik says can or will ever infuriate me. In fact I like Obraiks style. He is calm and easy going. The only thing frustrating is knowing we will never see eye to eye on how things are. Good, because I'm not here to try infuriate you. Differing opinions is a healthy thing I also agree that the buck stops at the top. I guess my main point is that we were told these changes were so that they could code the game better and in less time than in the past. From my standpoint I have seen none of that come to fruition. Finishing expertise is still a ways off and population is way down because of how they made the game better. These are the common sense things I was talking about. Expertise for all combat professions will be complete in a week or two, so that's just about completed. From there it's only the non-combat professions left to do. Slower publishes is due to a community request (and was one of mine too) after seeing the horrors of the rapid publishes that took place before hand, which the NGE was part of and where the idea kinda blew up in their face. I would not have resubbed a couple of times if I did not want to like the game and give SOE the benefit of the doubt. If someone wants to humanize the devs I have no problem with that, they are after all HUMAN. They make mistakes. What bugs most people is that they can't acknowledge the mistakes where and when made and get pissy and unprofessional when people point out those mistakes. I believe there's been a few times, even by Smed himself, where they've basically admitted the way they handled things was wrong and appologised for it. I'm in no way asking for a rollback. I am asking for a great game. If that means as some here believe "Classic servers" then by all means, just tell us why it can't happen as it seems the issues with classic would have taken less time to fix and far less trouble to code then two revamps of the game. Ya know, common sense stuff. This is a whole thread of debate on it's own. Simply put, pre-cu had some major issues which would become apparant again with classic servers. I for one was on the verge of quitting due to some of these issues until the CU was announced. Don't proclaim that "We knew we would lose some people..." proudly on G4 TV and then not be ready to eat crow and fix the mistake shoould it spiral out of control like it did. Where I come from it's called being a man and owning up to it. Until that happens from someone, anyone at SOE, then we have a problem. Heh, that was Julio, the LucasArts producer
Originally posted by dookseid For starters, nothing Obraik says can or will ever infuriate me. In fact I like Obraiks style. He is calm and easy going. The only thing frustrating is knowing we will never see eye to eye on how things are. Good, because I'm not here to try infuriate you. Differing opinions is a healthy thing
Agreed
I also agree that the buck stops at the top. I guess my main point is that we were told these changes were so that they could code the game better and in less time than in the past. From my standpoint I have seen none of that come to fruition. Finishing expertise is still a ways off and population is way down because of how they made the game better. These are the common sense things I was talking about. Expertise for all combat professions will be complete in a week or two, so that's just about completed. From there it's only the non-combat professions left to do. Slower publishes is due to a community request (and was one of mine too) after seeing the horrors of the rapid publishes that took place before hand, which the NGE was part of and where the idea kinda blew up in their face.
Doesn't that negate the purpose behind the NGE then? Their whole reason for doing it?? And at the sake of so many more professions? Was it worth it? /shrugs
I would not have resubbed a couple of times if I did not want to like the game and give SOE the benefit of the doubt. If someone wants to humanize the devs I have no problem with that, they are after all HUMAN. They make mistakes. What bugs most people is that they can't acknowledge the mistakes where and when made and get pissy and unprofessional when people point out those mistakes. I believe there's been a few times, even by Smed himself, where they've basically admitted the way they handled things was wrong and appologised for it.
Admitting a mistake in timing is all I've heard officially from anyone. As I said in another post if they think that was their only mistake then they are mistaken again. " Basically "admitting something and admitting are not the same. I basically said you seem to be a nice guy without ever saying it didn't I.
I'm in no way asking for a rollback. I am asking for a great game. If that means as some here believe "Classic servers" then by all means, just tell us why it can't happen as it seems the issues with classic would have taken less time to fix and far less trouble to code then two revamps of the game. Ya know, common sense stuff. This is a whole thread of debate on it's own. Simply put, pre-cu had some major issues which would become apparant again with classic servers. I for one was on the verge of quitting due to some of these issues until the CU was announced.
I hate to use a cliche but the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few here. If Obraik had been one of the few casualties of fixing the old system then so be it. It's obvious to all of us "mouth breathers" that the game population would be healthier had NGE never happened. Were there issues with preCU? Obviously! But that doesn't mean NGE had to happen. Fix what was broke, don't replace it with an even more broken and inferior model!!
Don't proclaim that "We knew we would lose some people..." proudly on G4 TV and then not be ready to eat crow and fix the mistake shoould it spiral out of control like it did. Where I come from it's called being a man and owning up to it. Until that happens from someone, anyone at SOE, then we have a problem. Heh, that was Julio, the LucasArts producer
So this is no longer a joint venture? C'mon Obraik give me some credit here. You and I both know LA does most of the press for the game. That's arguing symantics. You know who did the coding and botched the thing all to hell. Yes, Julio was just a spinmeister arguing the cause, but it was a team effort. SOE are the ones who said "...can we do this? We shouldn't be doing this.... " etc. No, we'll never know what went on behind the scenes during that time, what we do know now is that it didn't work and I see no rectification in the near future for it. It already lasted six months longer than the CU which was at least playable. Perhaps us headscratching mouthbreathers just truly are out of touch with what makes a fun game. It is after all just a game.
Has the OP began yet. This is the worst thread of all time. What part of Nightmarish Hell Shit don't you understand? You can't get back the time you waste with this god awful pastime. If you were my friend or relative my boot would already be in your ass, stop acting the fool. A piece of advice "Dark Age of Camelot" classic servers.
Originally posted by kyme Has the OP began yet. This is the worst thread of all time. What part of Nightmarish Hell Shit don't you understand? You can't get back the time you waste with this god awful pastime. If you were my friend or relative my boot would already be in your ass, stop acting the fool. A piece of advice "Dark Age of Camelot" classic servers.
Is this directed to me? Boot up my ass?!
I have a right to make up my own mind, if you cant respect that insert your boot up your own ass
My original post was to simply ask about the quickest way to install and patch, dont blame the current pissing match it evolved into on me, blame it on SOE/LA and the playerbase it divided and in many cases alienated.
Keep your advice, store it with your newly self-inserted boot.
And if you must know, this is far from the game SWG used to be, but me and my son are having fun with the trial. The fact an 8 year old can play it tells me more than i need to know, but I'll admit its fun to fool around with.
hmm off of the main topic i know but... it seems odd to me that theyre bringing camps back.. of all things they could have put back into the game they decided on camps... WTF?! lol
ok sure a lot of people miss scout and ranger but (at least on chilastra) rangers were the least used profession behind DE of course.... so why camps im wondering? nake them have a larger role/give crafters something? are they really serious? i could go on and on but its 1:17am so im kinda falling asleep..... (-_-) zzzz.....
Originally posted by kyme Has the OP began yet. This is the worst thread of all time. What part of Nightmarish Hell Shit don't you understand? You can't get back the time you waste with this god awful pastime. If you were my friend or relative my boot would already be in your ass, stop acting the fool. A piece of advice "Dark Age of Camelot" classic servers.
Is this directed to me? Boot up my ass?!
I have a right to make up my own mind, if you cant respect that insert your boot up your own ass
My original post was to simply ask about the quickest way to install and patch, dont blame the current pissing match it evolved into on me, blame it on SOE/LA and the playerbase it divided and in many cases alienated.
Keep your advice, store it with your newly self-inserted boot.
And if you must know, this is far from the game SWG used to be, but me and my son are having fun with the trial. The fact an 8 year old can play it tells me more than i need to know, but I'll admit its fun to fool around with.
My 7 year old did play it and try it for a while.. he did think it was ok... BUT then he went back to his box and played Battlefront II --- it's smoother, looks better and like he said... "Dad, if I wanted to talk in the game I would."
He liked combat, but working combat I think.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Why is it whenever I read Obriak's posts, I keep hearing "Please, sir. May I have some more?" going through my head?
I swear, Helios himself could go to New Zealand, kill Obraik's pets, burn his house down, and kick him in the crotch and Obriak would ask him if he could come back and do it some more in the next publish.
Originally posted by thefixer Why is it whenever I read Obriak's posts, I keep hearing "Please, sir. May I have some more?" going through my head?
I swear, Helios himself could go to New Zealand, kill Obraik's pets, burn his house down, and kick him in the crotch and Obriak would ask him if he could come back and do it some more in the next publish.
Aren't we a funny person...
Read up a few posts to my answer to this scenario.
Originally posted by kyme Has the OP began yet. This is the worst thread of all time. What part of Nightmarish Hell Shit don't you understand? You can't get back the time you waste with this god awful pastime. If you were my friend or relative my boot would already be in your ass, stop acting the fool. A piece of advice "Dark Age of Camelot" classic servers.
Is this directed to me? Boot up my ass?!
I have a right to make up my own mind, if you cant respect that insert your boot up your own ass
My original post was to simply ask about the quickest way to install and patch, dont blame the current pissing match it evolved into on me, blame it on SOE/LA and the playerbase it divided and in many cases alienated.
Keep your advice, store it with your newly self-inserted boot.
And if you must know, this is far from the game SWG used to be, but me and my son are having fun with the trial. The fact an 8 year old can play it tells me more than i need to know, but I'll admit its fun to fool around with.
My 7 year old did play it and try it for a while.. he did think it was ok... BUT then he went back to his box and played Battlefront II --- it's smoother, looks better and like he said... "Dad, if I wanted to talk in the game I would."
He liked combat, but working combat I think.
My son agrees :P, he has more fulfilling Jedi fun playing my old copy of Jedi Academy, but he does rather like having a speeder and a swoop. He is back on his Red Ranger char in CoV, which in his opinion is 'the coolest game ever'.
Anyway, im off back to do some more Bounty Hunting, but the magic just isnt there, the atmosphere (not to mention 80% of the game) has gone. But it is evident from recent changes and additions that they are trying to sneak bits of the old system back into the game. I just wonder if the game will last long enough to see it returned to what it should be.
Not sure what to make of this personally, but I agree with Iskareot, SWG is now a broken down game since even the supposedly brilliant new combat system doesn't even work right, last time I tried the trial (believe me I even managed to make myself get onto Tatooine after paying a month for the hell of it) even the blasters weren't doing proper firing right and when it re-loaded you only heard the chink chink of a magazine being shoved in the gun but hardly any movement from the character. I found that numerous areas and these little dungeon areas where you went to hunt pirates for quests was bugged (at the beginning tutorial missions) you'd have people shooting at you through walls and sometimes NPC's wouldn't even die when you shot them to 0 HAM and would go in a sort of static state instead, and I'd just like to point out Obraik that THAT was a completely unbiased view based on my gameplay experiances with the NGE and not pre-NGE which quite frankly is what got me to subscribe to SWG in the first place as I was tired of Everquest's level system.
However, if you managed to fix all these problems (including the radiculous shooting through the landscape bug and sitting bug where you ended up a mile away from where you sat down after about five seconds) with all these strange 'chapter' updates then maybe i'm wrong, but from some of the stuff I have read on your forums at what the changes will actually be doing is extremely unlikely, now I don't hate any of the SOE employees since I heard about how Tigg's etc. really tried to keep the gamers happy but for you to just do as your bosses say even though you and they 'knew' it was wrong and a bad idea is one of the most unthinkable things a games developer or designer can do. Gamespot called World of Warcraft not an MMORPG in their WoW marathon, but a community, and I felt the same way about Star Wars Galaxies as I had many friends there who I even roleplayed with even though there were no official roleplaying servers, MMORPG's i'm afraid can't really be called games anymore, especially since you literally ripped a whole bunch of people including me as I found that my original pre-nge CD was now completely worthless. Frankly I don't know why no one has filed a law suit against SOE and Julio Torres for poor customer service and fraud. If you had actually been open with the people about this and told them what was coming and tried to 'listen' to their advice instead of just blowing it away like even Blizzard are starting to now, this whole ordeal would never have happened, especially since at this rate you'd probably make more money selling off the star wars MMORPG licence to another company instead *hint hint*.....*takes deep breath*
sorry for the huge rant folks who are just reading through this, but I just had to get this off my chest since this issue has been bothering me for years now, I just find it rather typical that SOE seem to have made it their personal mission to bash any single person that talks bad about their company or the NGE you should quit acting like a bunch of spoilt brats about it and start clearing up your act properly and talking to the community instead of lashing out and I have certainly seem some of the idiotic comments made by John Smedley and others on other forums and interviews, I calmly ask why players should have to tolerate this kind of crap even if they are subscribed and supporting you, or unsubscribed and just playing other MMORPG's, although I have to admit, I find it very refreshing that SOE seems to be showing more communication skills than Blizzard at this point, which i'm actually quite impressed by.
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
Originally posted by dookseid I would just like to take this opportunity to apologize to Tamalan for hijacking this thread. It was not my intent and for that I am sorry.
At least you have the cool Gorn mascot. I think we all really dig that.
Originally posted by dookseid I would just like to take this opportunity to apologize to Tamalan for hijacking this thread. It was not my intent and for that I am sorry.
At least you have the cool Gorn mascot. I think we all really dig that. Thanks, he told me to tell you "sheeeesshhawwwheeessaaaawwww" (translation unavailable)
I think it's obvious why they're bringing back camps, so that the three people on the entire server can get together and talk about their iconic adventures in WoW and how fun it is to kill/loot/repeat solo endlessly.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
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Well it's official. Every line from every Star Wars movie has been used as a thread title. Now what, Indiana Jones?
Bad dates.
If you're not in a position of authority, how can you be blamed for the way something turned out? At the end of a day, it's a job he has. If you want to keep you job and have bread on the table, you do as your boss says. Sure, he could have said no and refused to do it and that would please some people here, but it potentially sabotages his career since he's unlikely to get a good reference for it.
I see it simply for how it is. Before the lead designer position changed hands, we were being told that so many things we have now couldn't/wouldn't be done. Soon after that happened these same things started happening. These are things people have been asking for and you're going to have a hard time convincing me that I should be hating the Dev team for listening to what people have been asking for. Don't bring up the whole "they're not listening to cries for a rollback to classic servers" because that's moving backwards and we're back to the core issues we had.
As for Helios' posts and calling them tantrums, I think you and many others are reading WAY too much into them and making an issue of something that isn't really there.
This isn't about me sticking up for the game or for Helios, to me it's just common sense stuff, which I think is being lost here because people have become so involved in everything and aren't stepping back and looking at things. Alot here are blinded by their hate.
Obriak I do NOT have to hate anything to see a giant clusterfuck.
Again.... see what these people are telling you... Common sense, logic.... see it, not from me but others even.
Sooner or later you'll "get it"... it will hit you and you will just wonder why.
Somthing will happen that will make you question all that you trusted sooner or later... your the most forgiving consumer I know I think. I wish all people were like you in that sense because alot of us could be more successful.
Crap, Looking at things for what they are is worse then what your doing, that made no sense to me that you said that.
Some of us are looking at them for what they are, so far I see a mess and a joke of a product... BUT don't let me tell you that, let the rest of the population and these Devs, or Creators of the game, or Producers of the game or the President of the company even.
See, the SOE boards do not allow that info to hit them... so those players are , well..... clueless as to what is going on.
If half of them knew that Smedley himself called the NGE a mistake and the current version somthing he wishes he never did, I can tell you that normal people with common sense MAY NOT like to hear that about thier game they invest time in.
This is the type of problem we have now.... getting that info to them, so they can be informed and make a wiser choice of thier time. If anything sooner or later somthing will have to give.
I can also tell you that SOE is not really out there dumping huge money into anything SWG... this is a old project... it seems to be on the back burner now. LEC is not even out there promoting it heavy... so far it is know as the bastard child MMO -- I have NOT SEEN ONE, NOT ONE good review or one good thing said about the NGE from ANY DEV or even themselves... I mean that is the worst part--- THIER OWN COMPANY IS CALLING IT A MISTAKE FOR CRAP SAKE.
At what point do you ask yourself "WTF?" ---
You assume I've felt screwed over and have forgiven them.
That's not the case at all. I don't feel and haven't felt screwed over in any way. You obviously saw the game as something more then just a game. I on the other hand have always simply treated it as a game, and as long as the game is fun to play I'll continue to play it. The day I stop playing is the day it stopped being fun for me, not because I felt screwed over since I don't allow myself to get that emotionally attached to the game.
I have a right to make up my own mind, if you cant respect that insert your boot up your own ass
My original post was to simply ask about the quickest way to install and patch, dont blame the current pissing match it evolved into on me, blame it on SOE/LA and the playerbase it divided and in many cases alienated.
Keep your advice, store it with your newly self-inserted boot.
And if you must know, this is far from the game SWG used to be, but me and my son are having fun with the trial. The fact an 8 year old can play it tells me more than i need to know, but I'll admit its fun to fool around with.
ok sure a lot of people miss scout and ranger but (at least on chilastra) rangers were the least used profession behind DE of course.... so why camps im wondering? nake them have a larger role/give crafters something? are they really serious? i could go on and on but its 1:17am so im kinda falling asleep..... (-_-) zzzz.....
I have a right to make up my own mind, if you cant respect that insert your boot up your own ass
My original post was to simply ask about the quickest way to install and patch, dont blame the current pissing match it evolved into on me, blame it on SOE/LA and the playerbase it divided and in many cases alienated.
Keep your advice, store it with your newly self-inserted boot.
And if you must know, this is far from the game SWG used to be, but me and my son are having fun with the trial. The fact an 8 year old can play it tells me more than i need to know, but I'll admit its fun to fool around with.
My 7 year old did play it and try it for a while.. he did think it was ok... BUT then he went back to his box and played Battlefront II --- it's smoother, looks better and like he said... "Dad, if I wanted to talk in the game I would."
He liked combat, but working combat I think.
______________________________
I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
I swear, Helios himself could go to New Zealand, kill Obraik's pets, burn his house down, and kick him in the crotch and Obriak would ask him if he could come back and do it some more in the next publish.
Aren't we a funny person...
Read up a few posts to my answer to this scenario.
I have a right to make up my own mind, if you cant respect that insert your boot up your own ass
My original post was to simply ask about the quickest way to install and patch, dont blame the current pissing match it evolved into on me, blame it on SOE/LA and the playerbase it divided and in many cases alienated.
Keep your advice, store it with your newly self-inserted boot.
And if you must know, this is far from the game SWG used to be, but me and my son are having fun with the trial. The fact an 8 year old can play it tells me more than i need to know, but I'll admit its fun to fool around with.
My 7 year old did play it and try it for a while.. he did think it was ok... BUT then he went back to his box and played Battlefront II --- it's smoother, looks better and like he said... "Dad, if I wanted to talk in the game I would."
He liked combat, but working combat I think.
My son agrees :P, he has more fulfilling Jedi fun playing my old copy of Jedi Academy, but he does rather like having a speeder and a swoop. He is back on his Red Ranger char in CoV, which in his opinion is 'the coolest game ever'.
Anyway, im off back to do some more Bounty Hunting, but the magic just isnt there, the atmosphere (not to mention 80% of the game) has gone. But it is evident from recent changes and additions that they are trying to sneak bits of the old system back into the game. I just wonder if the game will last long enough to see it returned to what it should be.
Not sure what to make of this personally, but I agree with Iskareot, SWG is now a broken down game since even the supposedly brilliant new combat system doesn't even work right, last time I tried the trial (believe me I even managed to make myself get onto Tatooine after paying a month for the hell of it) even the blasters weren't doing proper firing right and when it re-loaded you only heard the chink chink of a magazine being shoved in the gun but hardly any movement from the character. I found that numerous areas and these little dungeon areas where you went to hunt pirates for quests was bugged (at the beginning tutorial missions) you'd have people shooting at you through walls and sometimes NPC's wouldn't even die when you shot them to 0 HAM and would go in a sort of static state instead, and I'd just like to point out Obraik that THAT was a completely unbiased view based on my gameplay experiances with the NGE and not pre-NGE which quite frankly is what got me to subscribe to SWG in the first place as I was tired of Everquest's level system.
However, if you managed to fix all these problems (including the radiculous shooting through the landscape bug and sitting bug where you ended up a mile away from where you sat down after about five seconds) with all these strange 'chapter' updates then maybe i'm wrong, but from some of the stuff I have read on your forums at what the changes will actually be doing is extremely unlikely, now I don't hate any of the SOE employees since I heard about how Tigg's etc. really tried to keep the gamers happy but for you to just do as your bosses say even though you and they 'knew' it was wrong and a bad idea is one of the most unthinkable things a games developer or designer can do. Gamespot called World of Warcraft not an MMORPG in their WoW marathon, but a community, and I felt the same way about Star Wars Galaxies as I had many friends there who I even roleplayed with even though there were no official roleplaying servers, MMORPG's i'm afraid can't really be called games anymore, especially since you literally ripped a whole bunch of people including me as I found that my original pre-nge CD was now completely worthless. Frankly I don't know why no one has filed a law suit against SOE and Julio Torres for poor customer service and fraud. If you had actually been open with the people about this and told them what was coming and tried to 'listen' to their advice instead of just blowing it away like even Blizzard are starting to now, this whole ordeal would never have happened, especially since at this rate you'd probably make more money selling off the star wars MMORPG licence to another company instead *hint hint*.....*takes deep breath*
sorry for the huge rant folks who are just reading through this, but I just had to get this off my chest since this issue has been bothering me for years now, I just find it rather typical that SOE seem to have made it their personal mission to bash any single person that talks bad about their company or the NGE you should quit acting like a bunch of spoilt brats about it and start clearing up your act properly and talking to the community instead of lashing out and I have certainly seem some of the idiotic comments made by John Smedley and others on other forums and interviews, I calmly ask why players should have to tolerate this kind of crap even if they are subscribed and supporting you, or unsubscribed and just playing other MMORPG's, although I have to admit, I find it very refreshing that SOE seems to be showing more communication skills than Blizzard at this point, which i'm actually quite impressed by.
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
You DO need some sort of protection from disease when going anywhere near NGE.
Thanks, he told me to tell you "sheeeesshhawwwheeessaaaawwww" (translation unavailable)
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis