Originally posted by bhagamu Tree. Its just. A Tree. Your business what you call it.
It's a matter of political correctness and how it's really starting to wear down a lot of Americans, in this case Christians in particular. Particularly when they are told to be by someone on TV. No one ever heard of or cared about such an issue before that.
I still don't get why people are getting worked up about this. Yes the term "Holiday Tree" may seem stupid, but it's not a moral outrage. If someone talking differently is all it takes to undermine your values, you must not have had a very strong hold on them.
I'm usually skeptical of "it's the parents' responsibility" as the solution to everything, but one thing that is almost DEFINATELY your job is teaching your children your culture. When it comes to preserving your traditions it shouldn't matter what the media or government or schools are doing. The family should be the one who tells your children about the family's heritage, history, and values. The commercial world should have nothing to do with it. They will always try to capitalize on it, but you should not let them dictate it in the first place.
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Originally posted by bhagamu Tree. Its just. A Tree. Your business what you call it.
It's a matter of political correctness and how it's really starting to wear down a lot of Americans, in this case Christians in particular. Particularly when they are told to be by someone on TV. No one ever heard of or cared about such an issue before that.
You assume too much, people in my family had been talking about it for years before Bill O Riley was even widely known...and I'm sure we weren't the only ones.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Originally posted by bhagamu Tree. Its just. A Tree. Your business what you call it.
It's a matter of political correctness and how it's really starting to wear down a lot of Americans, in this case Christians in particular. Political correctness needs to die. People need to stop giving a shit what some ass thinks, or if that ass' feelings are hurt. It will be our downfall.
I agree
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
In all fairness the religious right is largely responsible for all this political correctness bullshit. In all honesty I'd have no problem with them having to call their tree a 'holiday tree'
Originally posted by Infliction In all fairness the religious right is largely responsible for all this political correctness bullshit. In all honesty I'd have no problem with them having to call their tree a 'holiday tree'
I think I'll go throw up into a bucket.
I do not subscribe to political correct anything, I refuse to call something, something else simply because it might offend someone... To me it goes beyond simple semantics when the language is intentionally devisive to get people to think a certain way. Let's call it a Holliday tree because someone might be offended because they don't celebrate Christmas...sorry but no, it's a tree that people put up for Christmas, not Hannakuh, not Ramadan, not Kwanza...it's a Christmas tree. I hate politically devisive wording.
They do it with more than just Christmas...look at the issue of abortion.
Are you pro abortion? No...you are PRO CHOICE.
Are you Anti-abortion? No...you are pro life!!
They change the wording to make it more palpable...I make choices every day, I think that people should be allowed to make choices, therefore I am pro choice...but I don't believe in abortion...so I am anti abortion...It goes both ways, Everybody is pro life...nobody thinks that no life should exist ever...therefore we are all pro life, whereas we are not all anti-abortion.
It's political correct bullshit devisive wording like THAT that annoys the hell out of me. Call it what it is, don't change the wording in order to make it easier to rally simple minded people to your cause. Pro Abortion, Anti Abortion...call it what it is and stop using buzz words to get the attention of people who don't like to think. Saying that you are against a woman's right to choose makes it sound as though you are against women making choices period, sure most people know what it really means, but does it not soften the blow of what we are really talking about?...as far as I can tell, the religious right isn't saying that women should not make choices, the religious right is saying that killing a fetus inside of your body is wrong. And being for a women's right to choose...oh how compassionate! Save us from the evil religious right.
All the word play just makes me sick.
I am anti abortion, pro life, and pro choice.
You might be pro abortion, pro life, and pro choice.
The difference is not pro choice, the difference is pro abortion...call it what it is dammit.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Everyone just needs to sit down, go on Christmas break - Winter break? Yah, it just happends to coincide with Christmas. Righttt... - Hang their Christmas tree - The Jews got their candles, we got the tree. Why would it be called a Holiday tree? It's Christmas tradition. Not just general tradition! - Watch it's a wonderful life - Everytime a bell rings, an angel gets it's wings! - And observe the nativity scene downtown.
My God, why couldn't things of just stayed simple? American tradition is going to just be made up of political correctness, which is the antithesis of tradition.
We're all going to a big ol' mixing pot of hell and holiday trees.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
Originally posted by Finwe Everyone just needs to sit down, go on Christmas break - Winter break? Yah, it just happends to coincide with Christmas. Righttt... - Hang their Christmas tree - The Jews got their candles, we got the tree. Why would it be called a Holiday tree? It's Christmas tradition. Not just general tradition! - Watch it's a wonderful life - Everytime a bell rings, an angel gets it's wings! - And observe the nativity scene downtown. My God, why couldn't things of just stayed simple? American tradition is going to just be made up of political correctness, which is the antithesis of tradition. We're all going to a big ol' mixing pot of hell and holiday trees.
And burn the local witches, and give your slaves the day off, and... And...
Originally posted by Finwe Everyone just needs to sit down, go on Christmas break - Winter break? Yah, it just happends to coincide with Christmas. Righttt... - Hang their Christmas tree - The Jews got their candles, we got the tree. Why would it be called a Holiday tree? It's Christmas tradition. Not just general tradition! - Watch it's a wonderful life - Everytime a bell rings, an angel gets it's wings! - And observe the nativity scene downtown. My God, why couldn't things of just stayed simple? American tradition is going to just be made up of political correctness, which is the antithesis of tradition. We're all going to a big ol' mixing pot of hell and holiday trees.
And burn the local witches, and give your slaves the day off, and... And...
You got the point though.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
I am going to buy a winter decoration tree with needles and put holiday gifts under it while we sing:
O Winter Decoration tree, O Winter Decoration tree, How steadfast are your branches! Your boughs are green in summer's clime And through the snows of wintertime. O Winter Decoration tree, O Winter Decoration tree, How steadfast are your branches!
I'm dreaming of a white Holiday Just like the ones I used to know Where the treetops glisten and children listen To hear sleigh bells in the snow.
I'm dreaming of a white Holiday With every Holiday card I write May your days be merry and bright And may all your Holiday's be white.
I'm dreaming of a white Holiday With every Holiday card I write May your days be merry and bright And may all your Holiday's be white.
Originally posted by outfctrl This issue came up last year and I am wondering if it will again pop up in our news this year? Has the issue been resolved or will political correctness surface and try to stifle the CHRISTMAS spirit. I believe the Christmas Tree is a Christmas Tree. Thats what its always been called, and that is, as far as Im concerned, what it will always be called. The tree itself is a less spiritualized symbol of the holiday as it is after all, Christmas in its true purpose is not really about trees and Santa Claus and gift giving, its about the birth of Jesus. To further reduce the meaning of the holiday to the word Holiday makes it so general that it doesnt mean anything at all to anyone at all. And I dont think thats right.
Originally posted by outfctrl I am going to buy a winter decoration tree with needles and put holiday gifts under it while we sing:
O Winter Decoration tree, O Winter Decoration tree, How steadfast are your branches! Your boughs are green in summer's clime And through the snows of wintertime. O Winter Decoration tree, O Winter Decoration tree, How steadfast are your branches!
I'm dreaming of a white Holiday Just like the ones I used to know Where the treetops glisten and children listen To hear sleigh bells in the snow.
I'm dreaming of a white Holiday With every Holiday card I write May your days be merry and bright And may all your Holiday's be white.
I'm dreaming of a white Holiday With every Holiday card I write May your days be merry and bright And may all your Holiday's be white.
I'm still going to swear at mine while I hit it with an axe. Singing to the trees? Dodgy Hippy.
What kind of person would want to call Christmas "The Holidays"? I mean it's been Christmas since it was started. It's like asking to change Holloween to "trick-or-treating day" just doesn't make any sence.
Originally posted by lucifer101 What kind of person would want to call Christmas "The Holidays"? I mean it's been Christmas since it was started. It's like asking to change Holloween to "trick-or-treating day" just doesn't make any sence.
The Holidays includes New Years and possibly Thanksgiving. It just refers the time of year when all these are celebrated. That's why "Happy Holidays" IS a traditional Christmas greeting. Even Ned Flanders once said it in an early episode of The Simpsons before some people decided it was oppresing their faith.
I still don't get why this is an issue. No one's putting a gun to your head and forcing you to call anything anything. I mean, when I came to this state I learned that some famliies open their presents on Christmas Eve instead of Day! MY family has always opened them on Christmas Day, so these people must be evil and liberal, right? They're destroying my tradition! Oh wait maybe different people have different ways of doing things, that don't affect me or my family in any way.
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Originally posted by lucifer101 What kind of person would want to call Christmas "The Holidays"? I mean it's been Christmas since it was started. It's like asking to change Holloween to "trick-or-treating day" just doesn't make any sence.
The Holidays includes New Years and possibly Thanksgiving. It just refers the time of year when all these are celebrated. That's why "Happy Holidays" IS a traditional Christmas greeting. Even Ned Flanders once said it in an early episode of The Simpsons before some people decided it was oppresing their faith.
I still don't get why this is an issue. No one's putting a gun to your head and forcing you to call anything anything. I mean, when I came to this state I learned that some famliies open their presents on Christmas Eve instead of Day! MY family has always opened them on Christmas Day, so these people must be evil and liberal, right? They're destroying my tradition! Oh wait maybe different people have different ways of doing things, that don't affect me or my family in any way.
A Catholic priest reprimanded me for saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas once. Even though I was refering to the New Year as well...
Originally posted by lucifer101 What kind of person would want to call Christmas "The Holidays"? I mean it's been Christmas since it was started. It's like asking to change Holloween to "trick-or-treating day" just doesn't make any sence.
It's all part of the secular progressive agenda ... to get Christianity and spirituality and Judaism out of the public square. If you look at what happened in Western Europe and Canada, if you can get religion out, then you can pass secular progressive programs, like legalization of narcotics, euthanasia, abortion at will, gay marriage, because the objection to those things is religious-based, usually.
What I find most humurous regarding this issue is that the "Christmas Tree" is derived from a pagan tradition, not a Christian.
Christmas to me is the most baffling celebrated holiday. Everyone is supposed to be celebrating the birth of Jesus, but where is this celebration amidst the feasting, gift exchanges and wassal?
Other holidays Christians celebrate that irk me:
Halloween - Pagan holiday
Easter - "Christian Holiday" celebrating the resurection of Jesus. Where does the baked ham, pagan bunny* and hard boiled eggs fit into this holiday? *The rabbit is the pagan symbol of fertility. And the eggs why hide them?
Why celebrate them? Yes they are fun and bring the family together, but, if you are a Christian, maybe you should sit down and think of how celebrating these pagan traditions fit into your dogma.
Now, to answer the question. Being an agnostic most would think I would call it a Holiday Tree. Blah...I was raised using Christmas and it will always be. Sorry to disappoint all the liberals, but I am not offended.
I knda wondered about the Eaaster Bunny too, so I googled it. This is what I found:
According to tradition the Easter Bunny makes his visit every year, scattering brightly-colored eggs as he goes. The origins of the Easter Bunny aren't clear; the first recorded references to him are generally agreed to have come from Germany in the 1500s. In ancient times the rabbit was a symbol of fertility, equated with springtime and renewal of life, and the hare was also associated with the moon, whose cycles determine the precise date of Easter each year. Over time these traditions presumably merged with the annual celebration of Easter itself, and now the Bunny is associated with Easter in much the same way that Santa Claus is the secular symbol of Christmas.
I guess the bunny's renewel of life concept is close to Jesus's Ressurection.
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Particularly when they are told to be by someone on TV. No one ever heard of or cared about such an issue before that.
I still don't get why people are getting worked up about this. Yes the term "Holiday Tree" may seem stupid, but it's not a moral outrage. If someone talking differently is all it takes to undermine your values, you must not have had a very strong hold on them.
I'm usually skeptical of "it's the parents' responsibility" as the solution to everything, but one thing that is almost DEFINATELY your job is teaching your children your culture. When it comes to preserving your traditions it shouldn't matter what the media or government or schools are doing. The family should be the one who tells your children about the family's heritage, history, and values. The commercial world should have nothing to do with it. They will always try to capitalize on it, but you should not let them dictate it in the first place.
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Particularly when they are told to be by someone on TV. No one ever heard of or cared about such an issue before that.
You assume too much, people in my family had been talking about it for years before Bill O Riley was even widely known...and I'm sure we weren't the only ones.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Political correctness needs to die. People need to stop giving a shit what some ass thinks, or if that ass' feelings are hurt. It will be our downfall.
I agree
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
I think I'll go throw up into a bucket.
I do not subscribe to political correct anything, I refuse to call something, something else simply because it might offend someone... To me it goes beyond simple semantics when the language is intentionally devisive to get people to think a certain way. Let's call it a Holliday tree because someone might be offended because they don't celebrate Christmas...sorry but no, it's a tree that people put up for Christmas, not Hannakuh, not Ramadan, not Kwanza...it's a Christmas tree. I hate politically devisive wording.
They do it with more than just Christmas...look at the issue of abortion.
Are you pro abortion? No...you are PRO CHOICE.
Are you Anti-abortion? No...you are pro life!!
They change the wording to make it more palpable...I make choices every day, I think that people should be allowed to make choices, therefore I am pro choice...but I don't believe in abortion...so I am anti abortion...It goes both ways, Everybody is pro life...nobody thinks that no life should exist ever...therefore we are all pro life, whereas we are not all anti-abortion.
It's political correct bullshit devisive wording like THAT that annoys the hell out of me. Call it what it is, don't change the wording in order to make it easier to rally simple minded people to your cause. Pro Abortion, Anti Abortion...call it what it is and stop using buzz words to get the attention of people who don't like to think. Saying that you are against a woman's right to choose makes it sound as though you are against women making choices period, sure most people know what it really means, but does it not soften the blow of what we are really talking about?...as far as I can tell, the religious right isn't saying that women should not make choices, the religious right is saying that killing a fetus inside of your body is wrong. And being for a women's right to choose...oh how compassionate! Save us from the evil religious right.
All the word play just makes me sick.
I am anti abortion, pro life, and pro choice.
You might be pro abortion, pro life, and pro choice.
The difference is not pro choice, the difference is pro abortion...call it what it is dammit.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Everyone just needs to sit down, go on Christmas break - Winter break? Yah, it just happends to coincide with Christmas. Righttt... - Hang their Christmas tree - The Jews got their candles, we got the tree. Why would it be called a Holiday tree? It's Christmas tradition. Not just general tradition! - Watch it's a wonderful life - Everytime a bell rings, an angel gets it's wings! - And observe the nativity scene downtown.
My God, why couldn't things of just stayed simple? American tradition is going to just be made up of political correctness, which is the antithesis of tradition.
We're all going to a big ol' mixing pot of hell and holiday trees.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
You got the point though.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
I'm going to buy a Mary J. Uana tree. They are all the rage here in California
I am going to burn it in the backyard when a good wind picks up, so that I may share it's goodness with the whole neighborhood.
O Winter Decoration tree,
O Winter Decoration tree,
How steadfast are
your branches!
Your boughs are green
in summer's clime
And through the snows
of wintertime.
O Winter Decoration tree,
O Winter Decoration tree,
How steadfast are
your branches!
It's better be hated for who you are, than loved for who you aren't.
What kind of person would want to call Christmas "The Holidays"? I mean it's been Christmas since it was started. It's like asking to change Holloween to "trick-or-treating day" just doesn't make any sence.
It hasn't been Christmas day since it started. It was rebranded such by Rome.
I live in a predominantly Christian society, I don't see it's name changing here anytime soon.
The Holidays includes New Years and possibly Thanksgiving. It just refers the time of year when all these are celebrated. That's why "Happy Holidays" IS a traditional Christmas greeting. Even Ned Flanders once said it in an early episode of The Simpsons before some people decided it was oppresing their faith.
I still don't get why this is an issue. No one's putting a gun to your head and forcing you to call anything anything. I mean, when I came to this state I learned that some famliies open their presents on Christmas Eve instead of Day! MY family has always opened them on Christmas Day, so these people must be evil and liberal, right? They're destroying my tradition! Oh wait maybe different people have different ways of doing things, that don't affect me or my family in any way.
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I'm buying a "I got 30 days interest free before I have to pay for this crap" tree.
Trust me, when the credit card bills come in January, the wife and kids have had a great time, and I'm just the poor schmuck that has to pay for it.
I'd much rather we go back to contemplating the meaning of Christmas, rather than contemplating the sales at Walmart.
The Holidays includes New Years and possibly Thanksgiving. It just refers the time of year when all these are celebrated. That's why "Happy Holidays" IS a traditional Christmas greeting. Even Ned Flanders once said it in an early episode of The Simpsons before some people decided it was oppresing their faith.
I still don't get why this is an issue. No one's putting a gun to your head and forcing you to call anything anything. I mean, when I came to this state I learned that some famliies open their presents on Christmas Eve instead of Day! MY family has always opened them on Christmas Day, so these people must be evil and liberal, right? They're destroying my tradition! Oh wait maybe different people have different ways of doing things, that don't affect me or my family in any way.
A Catholic priest reprimanded me for saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas once. Even though I was refering to the New Year as well...
Here's and interesting link http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm
What I find most humurous regarding this issue is that the "Christmas Tree" is derived from a pagan tradition, not a Christian.
Christmas to me is the most baffling celebrated holiday. Everyone is supposed to be celebrating the birth of Jesus, but where is this celebration amidst the feasting, gift exchanges and wassal?
Other holidays Christians celebrate that irk me:
Halloween - Pagan holiday
Easter - "Christian Holiday" celebrating the resurection of Jesus. Where does the baked ham, pagan bunny* and hard boiled eggs fit into this holiday? *The rabbit is the pagan symbol of fertility. And the eggs why hide them?
Why celebrate them? Yes they are fun and bring the family together, but, if you are a Christian, maybe you should sit down and think of how celebrating these pagan traditions fit into your dogma.
Now, to answer the question. Being an agnostic most would think I would call it a Holiday Tree. Blah...I was raised using Christmas and it will always be. Sorry to disappoint all the liberals, but I am not offended.
Who would of thought, an agnostic conservative.
I knda wondered about the Eaaster Bunny too, so I googled it. This is what I found:
According to tradition the Easter Bunny makes his visit every year, scattering brightly-colored eggs as he goes. The origins of the Easter Bunny aren't clear; the first recorded references to him are generally agreed to have come from Germany in the 1500s. In ancient times the rabbit was a symbol of fertility, equated with springtime and renewal of life, and the hare was also associated with the moon, whose cycles determine the precise date of Easter each year. Over time these traditions presumably merged with the annual celebration of Easter itself, and now the Bunny is associated with Easter in much the same way that Santa Claus is the secular symbol of Christmas.
I guess the bunny's renewel of life concept is close to Jesus's Ressurection.