For everyone saying we would have seen a time traveller by now: John Titor
He was probably just a guy with some theoretical physics knowledge and a lot of free time on his hands. But hey, you never know. His story was pretty waterproof, and apparently the things he predicted are coming to pass.
Here is an explanation of a Tachyon and I stongly believe they exist and have neither been observed nor disproved but some models of superstring theory include them: http://www.scienceforums.net/
Seriously though I have an open mind and can accept that many scientists and myself who believe that there is many undiscovered universal phenomenon at all levels could be wrong but I highly doubt it, I think were just scratching the surface and only discovered a fraction of whats really out there.
thank you for the references. checking them out now.
Chronomancy, ah here's a field I like. If someone had a time machine, or other means to travel, and changed the past you would never know. It may have already happened.
What if, in the original timeline, Nazi Germany won the war. Lets say they had waited, waited until they were better prepared with advanced technology. Even if they had waited only 10 more years, 1949 instead of 1939 they would have had rockets, jets, and nuclear weaponry while the US got fat and lazy (much of our current tech came only due to war, without war technology advances much slower). Also instead of alienating certain groups like the Jews and intellectuals they absorbed them (Einstein and many other scientists did come from Germany). To top it off the didn't make boneheaded decisions to invade Russia splitting their resources until they could devote their full attention to that front. What you would have is an atomic blitz capable of smashing governments and whole armies within days, Germany wins and we're all speaking Deutch.
A scientist in that future builds a machine capable of connecting itself to a specified coordinate in the space/time continuum. While in the past (under the guise of researching the first world war) the scientist saves the life of one insignificant Corporal by telling him to move right before a bullet would have smashed his brains all over the mud. The little Corporal who's life's ambition up to that time had been to be a simple painter, now believes that divine providence has taken a hand in sparing his life, so that he could some day rule the world. The little Corporal now goes on believing in his heart that he is somehow special and with the charisma that comes with confidence comes to power. He pushes for immediate war because he "did not want to be an old man when the war came". His hatred alienates some of the very minds he needs to realize his dream and they leave for a newer land with the industrial might to back their research. He also splits his forces in an attempt to subjugate Russia. To put the cherry on the top he also sleeps during the initial invasion (D-Day) and no one would wake him with the news out of fear of the little syphilitic speed addicted Corporal. End result, Germany loses the war.
The timeline is changed and all you know is the later, you know nothing at all that the former had ever existed or that any change was ever made outside of a few hints in the words of a madman, and who's going to listen to that?
Originally posted by TimeViewer Chronomancy, ah here's a field I like. If someone had a time machine, or other means to travel, and changed the past you would never know. It may have already happened...... ......The timeline is changed and all you know is the later, you know nothing at all that the former had ever existed or that any change was ever made outside of a few hints in the words of a madman, and who's going to listen to that?
Except a team of German agents from an upline time station that exists in Earth's prehistory is sent foreward in time to the altering event to ensure that the little corporal dies on the battlefield of WW 1, thereby restoring the timeline continuim and preserving the Nazi victory of WW 1. So, of course, the other side(s) must now send foreward in time their team of agents to eliminate the Nazi team of agents.....as each event would continually alter time, the logical base of operations for any time forces would be prior to human history. The forces would then retain covert operatives at various points within the time continuim to monitor and provide logistical support to time travelers.
So, let's say such a time station existed on Mount Olympus in the heyday of the Greeks, and the stories of the gods are really stories about time travelers, and a time war. Suppose all these things that we attribute to off world aliens visiting earth are really due to time travelers? Suppose the knowledge necessary to build the pyramids was provided by time travelers? Suppose Easter Island was just a stonemason's workshop for providing sculptures to upline shopping malls?
Originally posted by Launvatar I got an idea when I was dreaming today in my Law lesson at University. Humanity will never invent time machine. If it was possible, someone from future would already have visited us by now !
DAMN ! isn't it true ?!
Who says they didnt? HAHAHAHAHAHA TY you made my day
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There are many instances throughout history that could be pointed to as possible evidence of time travelers, there was also a very good book I read back in the 1970's (man I wish I could remember the name of it now) where flying saucers were time travelers coming back to the present for the purpose of repopulating a future where the human race was dying off. My post was designed to show that the timeline could already have been affected (btw Hitler did claim that a voice told him to move from a spot he was standing in during WWI where he would have been shot if he hadn't). Some have speculated that the great stock market crash was caused by such a traveler who wound up causing such a panic that it made the crash even worse.
Yes it's fun to speculate what kind of mmorpg such a theme would generate but I have yet to see a game that could really handle world changing events on even smaller scales. They seem to have enough on their hands with simple things like "who controls the ancient nosefingerer of doom" much less events that would alter the entire geo/political format (log in one day and you're wearing a business suit, log in the next and you're wearing a toga, log in the next and you're a dude in a mini skirt ). They just couldn't program all the variables of someone traveling back in time and poking that primordial glob of goo with a stick, or uhhh other various parts of your anatomy.
If there ever was such a game I'm sure that within a very short time the world would be a smoking ruin, tell me someone you know (or maybe even yourself) wouldn't travel back in time and wack the mother of the entire human race with a rock just so they could claim they'd PKed the entire human population
Originally posted by TimeViewer There are many instances throughout history that could be pointed to as possible evidence of time travelers, there was also a very good book I read back in the 1970's (man I wish I could remember the name of it now) where flying saucers were time travelers coming back to the present for the purpose of repopulating a future where the human race was dying off. My post was designed to show that the timeline could already have been affected (btw Hitler did claim that a voice told him to move from a spot he was standing in during WWI where he would have been shot if he hadn't). Some have speculated that the great stock market crash was caused by such a traveler who wound up causing such a panic that it made the crash even worse. Yes it's fun to speculate what kind of mmorpg such a theme would generate but I have yet to see a game that could really handle world changing events on even smaller scales. They seem to have enough on their hands with simple things like "who controls the ancient nosefingerer of doom" much less events that would alter the entire geo/political format (log in one day and you're wearing a business suit, log in the next and you're wearing a toga, log in the next and you're a dude in a mini skirt ). They just couldn't program all the variables of someone traveling back in time and poking that primordial glob of goo with a stick, or uhhh other various parts of your anatomy. If there ever was such a game I'm sure that within a very short time the world would be a smoking ruin, tell me someone you know (or maybe even yourself) wouldn't travel back in time and wack the mother of the entire human race with a rock just so they could claim they'd PKed the entire human population
Originally posted by Hohbein It's true actually, if we had invented time travel, surely we'd have taken measures to travel back in time and prevent tragedies like 9/11? Or to give forewarning of the tsunami in Asia?
Maybe the planet earth has been destroyed before any one could create such a device.
Originally posted by Launvatar I got an idea when I was dreaming today in my Law lesson at University. Humanity will never invent time machine. If it was possible, someone from future would already have visited us by now !
DAMN ! isn't it true ?!
Unless Time machine only affect "parallel universes" OR...maybe we where visited from future? How can you say we haven't?
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Originally posted by Hohbein It's true actually, if we had invented time travel, surely we'd have taken measures to travel back in time and prevent tragedies like 9/11? Or to give forewarning of the tsunami in Asia?
Would you go back in time to prevent WW1 and 2 if you know that your dad and mom would never meet and YOU would never have come to life?
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
If I could go back and change time, you know what I'd do? I break the fucking thing and burn the blueprints. Mess with the past... there's a chance you create a chain of events that would lead to you never being created, and thus never create the time machine. But there's a paradox cause that couldn't happen unless you created the time machine, so you could, in theory, get stuck in a never-ending loop between existance and non-existance.
What greater tribute to free will than the power to question the highest of authority? What greater display of loyalty than blind faith? What greater gift than free will? What greater love than loyalty?
Originally posted by AbsoluteDude When your looking into the sun you looking 8minutes i the past it takes 8minutes from light to reach earth from the sun
Everytime you look at the sky you look at a lie, no star is in the place it appears, some or even many may already be long dead and gone. In Theory the entire universe could die today and we wouldn't have our first clue until some 40 years after the fact. The stars would continue to shine on the earth for hundreds of thousands of years before the sky went black.
I have an old map from National Geographic showing what they believed to be the structure of the universe made from current star maps, given that nothing is where we see it I've always wondered if anybody ever bothered to make a map of where the stars would actually be given their, and our, constant movement.
Originally posted by Awakened If I could go back and change time, you know what I'd do? I break the fucking thing and burn the blueprints. Mess with the past... there's a chance you create a chain of events that would lead to you never being created, and thus never create the time machine. But there's a paradox cause that couldn't happen unless you created the time machine, so you could, in theory, get stuck in a never-ending loop between existance and non-existance.
It's also possible that if someone were to try killing their own past they would instead die in the attempt preserving the timeline. The paradox effect could make someone unable to complete their task. Or, like a certain Philip J Fry you could wind up doing the nasty in the pasty and become your own grandfather. Also, until recent times, there was no absolute proof of who the father actually was. You could travel to the past, kill the person you thought was your grandfather, but miss the guy grandma was playing with on the sly.
Originally posted by Launvatar I got an idea when I was dreaming today in my Law lesson at University. Humanity will never invent time machine. If it was possible, someone from future would already have visited us by now ! DAMN ! isn't it true ?!
Depends on the dimension. What if travelling back in time brought you back in time, but in a parallel dimension?
How would you know if time travelers came here or not? Maybe where they don't like this time period...or maybe they are actually here and they have enough info about our time that they know how to act/talk/dress.
I think we'll find travel to the past impossible.we can play with the present.like when say you're in a car crash and time slows down(your brain working faster)
The three dimensional universe your senses perceives is an illusion based on your senses. In short, what you see is a lie, or at least a partial truth. You see curved space. You know you exist within three dimensions yet you discount the first two dimensions as if they didn't exist at all. In the first dimension all points in space and time are one, a true singularity. Three dimensions are achieved by mass curving space. By canceling out mass you exist only within the first dimension and from there can exit in any point of space/time.
Much like sound waves, once a harmony is reached exactly matching the first a cancellation is achieved. In the case of sound, silence is created. In the case of mass, the first dimension is reached, the uncurving of space. Each point in space/time has a specific mass. It may seem that mass is a constant but as we travel through space/time everything expends energy, losing mass and giving each point a unique mass signature.
Think of each signature as a coordinate, specify the correct coordinate and you could travel to any point in the universe and arrive at any time.
None of that makes any sense,mass is a constant wtf you talkin bout.
Immortality will be acheived not through an immortal vessel for the mind but through a state of mind akin to a singularity.We must learn to slow(or hasten depending on your point of view) our experiences.
Originally posted by zakk_ None of that makes any sense,mass is a constant wtf you talkin bout.
Immortality will be acheived not through an immortal vessel for the mind but through a state of mind akin to a singularity.We must learn to slow(or hasten depending on your point of view) our experiences.
Let's see, first you proclaim what I said as making no sense without one scientific fact to back it up, then you babble nonsense about changing time with your mind. Tell me, were you there when the universe was created? How do you know, or can prove absolutely that mass is constant? That it cannot be converted to and from energy? Or are you just the smartest sentient being in the universe and just know all this?
If E=MC² then M=E<C² energy and mass are convertable, please go on and prove me wrong. When you do, please approach an atomic blast and explain to it why it cannot possibly exist, let me know who wins the argument
Originally posted by sven101 They have theories about time machines. One of them is when you go fast enough, you are able to go back in time. Unfortunately, we as humans can't survive this dramatically speed, because it is THAT fast you will burn or implode.
Was watching Nova or some other Science show a few years ago and some guy actually proved this theory.. He somehow was able to make musical notes (yes musical notes) travel at the speed of light and he found that the closer you got to the speed of light the slower time got...I wanna say he even was able to exceed the speed of time in his test (something like 3x the speed) but I am really not sure about that, it was a long time ago.. All I know is that somehow he proved that time stopped and started to travel in reverse as you passed and exceeded the SOL.
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no, i have a time machine..... i made it from parts i bought at Radio Shack.. and parts of my dads lawnmower...
HEHE that was a story I wrote in 6th grade, I enjoyed it alot... wish I saved it
John Titor
He was probably just a guy with some theoretical physics knowledge and a lot of free time on his hands. But hey, you never know. His story was pretty waterproof, and apparently the things he predicted are coming to pass.
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Sure here is a site that has alot of smart people discussing these topics daily: http://www.scienceforums.net/
Here is an explanation of a Tachyon and I stongly believe they exist and have neither been observed nor disproved but some models of superstring theory include them: http://www.scienceforums.net/
Here is a brief explanation of string theory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory
Seriously though I have an open mind and can accept that many scientists and myself who believe that there is many undiscovered universal phenomenon at all levels could be wrong but I highly doubt it, I think were just scratching the surface and only discovered a fraction of whats really out there.
thank you for the references. checking them out now.
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Edit: Also read the Grandfather Paradox
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Edit: Also read the Grandfather Paradox
I think multiple dimensions can explain for that paradox. Though someone more versed in this area is welcome to step in can call me a dumbass.
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Chronomancy, ah here's a field I like. If someone had a time machine, or other means to travel, and changed the past you would never know. It may have already happened.
What if, in the original timeline, Nazi Germany won the war. Lets say they had waited, waited until they were better prepared with advanced technology. Even if they had waited only 10 more years, 1949 instead of 1939 they would have had rockets, jets, and nuclear weaponry while the US got fat and lazy (much of our current tech came only due to war, without war technology advances much slower). Also instead of alienating certain groups like the Jews and intellectuals they absorbed them (Einstein and many other scientists did come from Germany). To top it off the didn't make boneheaded decisions to invade Russia splitting their resources until they could devote their full attention to that front. What you would have is an atomic blitz capable of smashing governments and whole armies within days, Germany wins and we're all speaking Deutch.
A scientist in that future builds a machine capable of connecting itself to a specified coordinate in the space/time continuum. While in the past (under the guise of researching the first world war) the scientist saves the life of one insignificant Corporal by telling him to move right before a bullet would have smashed his brains all over the mud. The little Corporal who's life's ambition up to that time had been to be a simple painter, now believes that divine providence has taken a hand in sparing his life, so that he could some day rule the world. The little Corporal now goes on believing in his heart that he is somehow special and with the charisma that comes with confidence comes to power. He pushes for immediate war because he "did not want to be an old man when the war came". His hatred alienates some of the very minds he needs to realize his dream and they leave for a newer land with the industrial might to back their research. He also splits his forces in an attempt to subjugate Russia. To put the cherry on the top he also sleeps during the initial invasion (D-Day) and no one would wake him with the news out of fear of the little syphilitic speed addicted Corporal. End result, Germany loses the war.
The timeline is changed and all you know is the later, you know nothing at all that the former had ever existed or that any change was ever made outside of a few hints in the words of a madman, and who's going to listen to that?
µV
Except a team of German agents from an upline time station that exists in Earth's prehistory is sent foreward in time to the altering event to ensure that the little corporal dies on the battlefield of WW 1, thereby restoring the timeline continuim and preserving the Nazi victory of WW 1. So, of course, the other side(s) must now send foreward in time their team of agents to eliminate the Nazi team of agents.....as each event would continually alter time, the logical base of operations for any time forces would be prior to human history. The forces would then retain covert operatives at various points within the time continuim to monitor and provide logistical support to time travelers.
So, let's say such a time station existed on Mount Olympus in the heyday of the Greeks, and the stories of the gods are really stories about time travelers, and a time war. Suppose all these things that we attribute to off world aliens visiting earth are really due to time travelers? Suppose the knowledge necessary to build the pyramids was provided by time travelers? Suppose Easter Island was just a stonemason's workshop for providing sculptures to upline shopping malls?
All would still be good quests in a MMORPG....
HAHAHAHAHAHA TY you made my day
yes but if someone had visited from the future:
a) would they tell us?
b) we would not beleive them anyway
c) how do we know they haven't already?
Said Stephen Hawking.
Edit: Also read the Grandfather Paradox
Dammit !!! her said that ?! omg I'm UBER !
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There are many instances throughout history that could be pointed to as possible evidence of time travelers, there was also a very good book I read back in the 1970's (man I wish I could remember the name of it now) where flying saucers were time travelers coming back to the present for the purpose of repopulating a future where the human race was dying off. My post was designed to show that the timeline could already have been affected (btw Hitler did claim that a voice told him to move from a spot he was standing in during WWI where he would have been shot if he hadn't). Some have speculated that the great stock market crash was caused by such a traveler who wound up causing such a panic that it made the crash even worse.
Yes it's fun to speculate what kind of mmorpg such a theme would generate but I have yet to see a game that could really handle world changing events on even smaller scales. They seem to have enough on their hands with simple things like "who controls the ancient nosefingerer of doom" much less events that would alter the entire geo/political format (log in one day and you're wearing a business suit, log in the next and you're wearing a toga, log in the next and you're a dude in a mini skirt
). They just couldn't program all the variables of someone traveling back in time and poking that primordial glob of goo with a stick, or uhhh other various parts of your anatomy.
If there ever was such a game I'm sure that within a very short time the world would be a smoking ruin, tell me someone you know (or maybe even yourself) wouldn't travel back in time and wack the mother of the entire human race with a rock just so they could claim they'd PKed the entire human population
µV
______________________________
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
When your looking into the sun you looking 8minutes i the past
it takes 8minutes from light to reach earth from the sun
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
What greater tribute to free will than the power to question the highest of authority? What greater display of loyalty than blind faith? What greater gift than free will? What greater love than loyalty?
µV
present.like when say you're in a car crash and time slows down(your
brain working faster)
future tech will use this to the fullest
I beg to disagree...
The three dimensional universe your senses perceives is an illusion based on your senses. In short, what you see is a lie, or at least a partial truth. You see curved space. You know you exist within three dimensions yet you discount the first two dimensions as if they didn't exist at all. In the first dimension all points in space and time are one, a true singularity. Three dimensions are achieved by mass curving space. By canceling out mass you exist only within the first dimension and from there can exit in any point of space/time.
Much like sound waves, once a harmony is reached exactly matching the first a cancellation is achieved. In the case of sound, silence is created. In the case of mass, the first dimension is reached, the uncurving of space. Each point in space/time has a specific mass. It may seem that mass is a constant but as we travel through space/time everything expends energy, losing mass and giving each point a unique mass signature.
Think of each signature as a coordinate, specify the correct coordinate and you could travel to any point in the universe and arrive at any time.
µV
Immortality will be acheived not through an immortal vessel for the
mind but through a state of mind akin to a singularity.We must learn to
slow(or hasten depending on your point of view) our experiences.
Let's see, first you proclaim what I said as making no sense without one scientific fact to back it up, then you babble nonsense about changing time with your mind. Tell me, were you there when the universe was created? How do you know, or can prove absolutely that mass is constant? That it cannot be converted to and from energy? Or are you just the smartest sentient being in the universe and just know all this?
If E=MC² then M=E<C² energy and mass are convertable, please go on and prove me wrong. When you do, please approach an atomic blast and explain to it why it cannot possibly exist, let me know who wins the argument
µV
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith