The main characteristics of a 'Carebear'.

Connoisseur · December 2006

A carebear is someone who would rather fight the computer than an actual person.

A carebear is someone who doesn't like to lose.

A carebear doesn't want to be penalized when he does lose.

A carebear thinks he is better than someone else because he invested more time into the game than them.

A carebear thinks that all PvPers are antisocial people who get their jollies from making other people's life miserable.

A carebear does not prefer that player skill determines the outcome of battles.

Obadno · December 2006

.... a carebare is anyone who ganks or fairly kills me in an even fight...there all carebares to me

Unknown · December 2006

I thought it was the happy little picture on their tummies.

NatoB · December 2006

Originally posted by srohek
A carebear is someone who would rather fight the computer than an actual person.

A carebear is someone who doesn't like to lose.

A carebear doesn't want to be penalized when he does lose.

A carebear thinks he is better than someone else because he invested more time into the game than them.

A carebear thinks that all PvPers are antisocial people who get their jollies from making other people's life miserable.

A carebear does not prefer that player skill determines the outcome of battles.

A carebear is a cartoon character and you're an idiot.

Salvatoris · December 2006

Originally posted by srohek
A carebear is someone who would rather fight the computer than an actual person.

Wrong. A carebear is someone who prefers not to engage in combat on an extremely uneven playing field.

A carebear is someone who doesn't like to lose.
OK. But I guess that could be said about anyone. Most people prefer not to lose.

A carebear doesn't want to be penalized when he does lose.
A carebear does not want their in game accomplishments taken away in uneven combat. I really don't think many people like harsh punishments or major setbacks caused by uneven combat.
A carebear thinks he is better than someone else because he invested more time into the game than them.
A carebear recognizes that time played in an RPG generally equates to better stats, higher DPS and more HP. If that is what you mean by "better" I'll agree with you. because a carebear recognizes this fact, they have the foresight to see the futility in combat with players of a higher level, or simply a more effective class.

A carebear thinks that all PvPers are antisocial people who get their jollies from making other people's life miserable.
You have to be pretty antisocial to get your jollies from ganking and looting lower level players. Not all PvPers play that way, but enough do to cause carebears to avoid PvP. Your arrogant, ignorant post goes a long way in arguing against your glorious vision of the PvPers who don't exist just to harass other players.

A carebear does not prefer that player skill determines the outcome of battles.
This is where you are most wrong. The term PvP is exclusive to RPGs. In RPGs combat effectiveness is governed by level, attributes and gear more than player skill. games where player skill is the most important factor are call their PvP "multiplayer". If you want player skill to determine the outcome of events, you are playing the wrong type of game. I would suggest the battlefield series.

boognish75 · December 2006

Originally posted by NatoB

Originally posted by srohek
A carebear is someone who would rather fight the computer than an actual person.

A carebear is someone who doesn't like to lose.

A carebear doesn't want to be penalized when he does lose.

A carebear thinks he is better than someone else because he invested more time into the game than them.

A carebear thinks that all PvPers are antisocial people who get their jollies from making other people's life miserable.

A carebear does not prefer that player skill determines the outcome of battles.

A carebear is a cartoon character and you're an idiot.

lol dont forget the carebear cousins!!! i second this staement, srohek has a screw lose and is fantasizing about carebears again lol!! there fur gets sticky dude, step away from the carebears....we know its been ruff being you but mannn what you do to those poor bears is wrong and illegal in seven states.

Faur · December 2006

What exactly is the purpose of this thread?

I have nothing against people who are against pvp. What does irk me are people who are out to prove how 'hardk0re' they are by calling anyone who doesn't want to fight them, a carebear.
Just because you're awesome at pvp on the internet doesn't make you a bigger and more manly person.

A level 1 who runs when a level 50 attacks him isn't a carebear, but is practicing common sense. For the high level player to call him a carebear is just an attempt to "still win".

Two players ganging up on another aren't carebears, but are practicing basic tactics. For the losing player to call them carebears is just a cop-out in order to try and nullify his loss.

I much prefer pvp mmo's myself, and I've found that those who cry carebear are usually scrubs who can't accept that others don't want to play by their rules.
I was a carebear in GW for using pin down+poison+bleed, I was a carebear in Eve for using target jammers and warp scramblers, I was a carebear in Lineage 2 for using stun, I was a carebear in shadowbane for tracking down and revealing assassins, I was a carebear in Ryzom for using armor piercing actions against heavy armored players, I was a carebear in CoX for playing CoX.

treysmooth · December 2006

I totally agree with the above post. Obviously the first post was simply someone wanting to start a flamewar but Sal broke down the points well and pretty much hit it on the head.

I enjoy pvp and my best friend doesn't, we play COH and when I want to pvp I go to a area to do so and it doesn't keep him from playing the game because he can simply do misisons with others during that time. Funny thing is for him, it isn't about losing or anything like that as he plays a controller fire/kin which basically is the most powerful lvl 50 in pvp in the game its a personal preference.

I love when people consider themselves "hardcore" because they want open pvp, its a game no more and no less there is nothing hardcore about it. If there was such a huge demand for a completely open pvp/looting game we would have droves of them to fill that demand. We don't because its a niche part of the MMO genre. Maybe that is why we see so many flames by these supposed hardcore pvpers since they don't have a game to gank and generally ruin the experience for everyone else all the while proclaiming how leet they are and looting lowbies til their hearts content.

Peace

Anofalye · December 2006

I am a Carebear myself, but let's me tell you.

See, sometimes poor design enforce PvP, anyway, it is slightly the case in CoV.

I see all types of PvPers around while I was doing my PvE chores inside the PvP-zones. Each time someone call me a carebear, they never got what they want, which was to kill me. I might be relatively unskilled in PvP, but killing a brute who just activate Unstoppable or transform into an electric imps, it is just nearly impossible for 99% players. So they didn't get their kills and I walk out. Later I hunt them with a few PvPers and they where all angry.

On the other hand, some peoples ASK me for PvP. Sometimes I didn't see they talk to me and I start doing my stuff faster, kinda afraid. However, a little later at worst(time I see them speak with me, when I see a toon walking and running around me, I might forget to check chat for a few moments), if they ASK me, I will grant them, once I am done with my PvE chores a fair fight, and no, I won't run, I will stand my ground. I will be happy dying(althought I will give all I can to fight in a straitforward battle) since they didn't screw my PvE chores. Hehe, some even goes as far as escorting me to get the duel afterward! I mean, can you see that! I was thinking it was awesome and even if they beat me in the duel later on, I have a great experience and I certainly think they did!

Moral of the story, the only peoples who kill me in PvP, are peoples who ASK me for a battle, not those who jump me. Fleeing is quite easy in CoX! So you want to kill a Carebear? Ask them if they would want a duel with you instead of attacking them, you would be surprised, but most will say yes, maybe after they complete a quest however. And IF they say no, accept this answer and ask them to let you know if they ever change mind, you want to be the first to fight them with a few winks. Carebears as you call them, they care about something else in the game, if they see that you are not endangering this, they will prove very nice afterward, they won't give you an easy fight, but just the fact they accept the fight and won't run is a LOT.

Salvatoris · December 2006

I don't mind being called a carebear... I prefer PvE to PvP. That doesn't mean i am not a competitive person. In a game without open PvP you still compete with the other players. Competition for who has the fattest loot is still competion... just on a more level field. All the players are obtaining that loot from completing the same content.

I run a gaming team that I founded 7 years ago. We formed as a Mechwarrior team and competed heavily at the highest levels of organized play, winning first place in a league of 60+ teams every month for an entire year. When they shelved that series a few years ago, we moved on to Battlefield, both of these are games where the deciding factor is player ability and team tactics, rather than level and gear. I absolutely love the competition and really don't mind losing my fair share of matches... Of course I would prefer to win, but even in a loss you can learn a lesson and gain valuable experience.

It is because I enjoy this type of competition that I don't like PvP. I don't want to win a battle simply because I have better gear or I am a higher level. I certainly don't want to lose for the inverse reasons. I want my ability and experience to decide the outcome. I don't think that can ever really happen in a game with dice rolls... even when the two players are close in level and gear. It seems to me that if someone was afraid of real competition, but still wanted the feeling that comes from it, they would participate in heavily weighted PvP battles... or spend months twinking their character, intentionally stalling their progression at the top level in PvP range bracket. It also occurs to me that only "hardcore" PvPers do those things.

So I don't like PvP... I still respect other peoples right to disagree. I don't start posts harrassing PvPers, I don't call people names for not wanting to play the same way as me. If it makes the dude feel a little bigger to call me a carebear.. that's fine with me. It is, after all, just a video game reference. I promise not to cry about it.

Jade6 · December 2006

Originally posted by srohek
A carebear thinks that all PvPers are antisocial people who get their jollies from making other people's life miserable.

Based on your post, I would have to say that carebears are right; at least in your case.

baff · December 2006

This Carebear is someone who is willing to give up all the fun possible to be had in PvP, in order to avoid playing games with people like the OP.

Xpheyel · December 2006

I will throw some of my bread I feed to the ducks in the pond under your bridge so you don't go hungry.

bverji · December 2006

Originally posted by srohek

A carebear thinks that all PvPers are antisocial people who get their jollies from making other people's life miserable.

I'd say by simply posting this you pretty much help to support such a view. I like PVP when done well, but anyone who can't respect peoples right to not like PVP and feels like they have to insult them is pretty much antisocial and like to get their jollies from making other peoples life miserable.

Aethios · December 2006

Originally posted by bverji
Originally posted by srohek A carebear thinks that all PvPers are antisocial people who get their jollies from making other people's life miserable.

I'd say by simply posting this you pretty much help to support such a view. I like PVP when done well, but anyone who can't respect peoples right to not like PVP and feels like they have to insult them is pretty much antisocial and like to get their jollies from making other peoples life miserable.

/agree

Aethios · December 2006

Originally posted by Nierro
A Carebear is someone who plays WoW.End of dicussion.

Now that you're done trolling, please either constructively contribute to the discussion, or leave quietly.

Nierro · December 2006

I'll leave quietly, thank you very much.

vendris · December 2006

People who think they are "hardcore" because they fight other people in video games make me giggle.

sly220 · December 2006

I love these treads.... Carebears VS. Hardcore <so they think>

this guys interpretations of hardcore players is rediculous.... im not even going to start bashing some one whos brain doesnt seem to be working today.....

Oh and for my final note im a carebear and i love a challenge and the consequences taht come with failer.... so maby before you speak you might want to ask some questions about what a carebear really is seeing how you have absolutly no idea..

ChrisMattern · December 2006

Originally posted by srohek

A carebear is someone who would rather fight the computer than an actual person.

A killwhore is someone who would rather gank newbies than fight a real challenge.

A carebear is someone who doesn't like to lose.

A killwhore is someone who isn't happy unless he can be causing someone else pain.

A carebear doesn't want to be penalized when he does lose.

A killwhore is someone who isn't happy if his victim isn't destroyed and driven out of the game.

A carebear thinks he is better than someone else because he invested more time into the game than them.

A killwhore thinks he is better than someone else because his levelled character enables him to effortllessly gank those who have not yet had the chance to level...and won't get that chance, either.

A carebear thinks that all PvPers are antisocial people who get their jollies from making other people's life miserable.

A killwhore *knows* he sure does!

A carebear does not prefer that player skill determines the outcome of battles.

A killwhore does not prefer to realize that griefing someone 10 levels under you is not "player skill".

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Chris Mattern

Precusor · December 2006

From the Darkfall forums.

Carebear.

1. Somone that farms just to stand in a safe zone just to show off gear and items.

2. Somone that stands in a safe zone and smack talks everyone.

3. Somone that plays a PvP game and then starts to complain about being killed and tries to get the company running the game to make changes so that PKers get repercutions for killing.

4. Somone that you kill and he/she starts sending you nasty hate tells even though they know they are on a game that lets you be killed by another player.

5. Somone or guild that does more fighting on forum more then they do in game.

h4x0rn4bsk1 · December 2006

Originally posted by srohek
A carebear is someone who would rather fight the computer than an actual person.

A carebear is someone who doesn't like to lose.

A carebear doesn't want to be penalized when he does lose.

A carebear thinks he is better than someone else because he invested more time into the game than them.

A carebear thinks that all PvPers are antisocial people who get their jollies from making other people's life miserable.

A carebear does not prefer that player skill determines the outcome of battles.

A carebear posts posts about carebears, in these posts he says:

A carebear is someone who would rather fight the computer than an actual person.

A carebear is someone who doesn't like to lose.

A carebear doesn't want to be penalized when he does lose.

A carebear thinks he is better than someone else because he invested more time into the game than them.

A carebear thinks that all PvPers are antisocial people who get their jollies from making other people's life miserable.

A carebear does not prefer that player skill determines the outcome of battles.

ChrisMattern · December 2006

Originally posted by Precusor
From the Darkfall forums.Carebear.

1. Somone that farms just to stand in a safe zone just to show off gear and items.

2. Somone that stands in a safe zone and smack talks everyone.

3. Somone that plays a PvP game and then starts to complain about being killed and tries to get the company running the game to make changes so that PKers get repercutions for killing.

4. Somone that you kill and he/she starts sending you nasty hate tells even though they know they are on a game that lets you be killed by another player.

5. Somone or guild that does more fighting on forum more then they do in game.

Darkfall:

1. A game now slated to become reality sometime after Duke Nukem Forever goes gold. Maybe.

Chris Mattern

Jade6 · December 2006

Originally posted by Precusor
1. Somone that farms just to stand in a safe zone just to show off gear and items.

2. Somone that stands in a safe zone and smack talks everyone.

3. Somone that plays a PvP game and then starts to complain about being killed and tries to get the company running the game to make changes so that PKers get repercutions for killing.

4. Somone that you kill and he/she starts sending you nasty hate tells even though they know they are on a game that lets you be killed by another player.

5. Somone or guild that does more fighting on forum more then they do in game.

Umm, are you sure that you didn't copy the wrong description? Most people would apply that description to gankers...

Unknown · December 2006

Where can I buy my Carebear and proud T-Shirt.

Myrten0881 · December 2006

Salvatoris originally posted

A carebear does not prefer that player skill determines the outcome of battles.

This is where you are most wrong. The term
PvP is exclusive to RPGs. In RPGs combat effectiveness is governed by
level, attributes and gear more than player skill. games where player
skill is the most important factor are call their PvP "multiplayer". If
you want player skill to determine the outcome of events, you are
playing the wrong type of game. I would suggest the battlefield
series.

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Amen to that! hehe I always laugh when some LEETIST tries to say he has more skill, thats a joke... he usually just has more friends, equipment, or lvls, etc. Nice post Salv.

Oh yeah, and are you a clanner or Merc? Merc here hehe...

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