Yup, I can think of 3, 4 maybe 5 people that I see that constantly bash the game...then I also see 1-30 post people bashing the game too, and then they never make any post afterwards. Not all 1-30 posts will be fakes, but most are.
And since he is in this thread..
Solareus seems to bash the game 24/7, which is one of the persons on my list of constant bashers to make it seem like a lot of people don't like it...
But some are for real and make a post about why they don't like it and leave it at that, but then you have people like Solareus who will do nothing else except convince others not to buy it.
Heh for all the bashers there are LOTS of people that just don't post to bash it. We know the game speaks for itself and since it is a dull game, a lot of us don't see the need.
I love how you imply that some of the posts are "FAKE". Are you saying that people say they hate it, but really don't?
The game just doesn't stand up to many games already on the market, and doesn't appear to come close to some of the true Third generation MMOs coming out.
Which MMO is a third generation MMO? That is just a tired marketing phrase. The only MMO I know that is truly different is EVE and I find it extremely boring.
Also, there are a lot of people that like the game that don't post anything because they don't want to get flamed.
Those are your opinions that don't look and artistic style. Korean games have way better color pallette then games like vsoh, they don't need to cover the canvas with a bumpmaps to hide the flaws in their game. They know that hteir game is a grindcore and will appeal to the mainstream f2p audience, and some NA/ EU.
It is like comparing an ant with an elephant, and hands down the ant won.
Rappelz = low budget success
VSOH = huge budget failure
You decide which game is succeeding in what they set out to do. The biggest thing for VSOH is community , it is a mess, there is no order.
I made no mention of the art in Rappelz. I spoke purely of the game play.
VSoH is not even out of open beta, I'm not sure how you can call it a failure. I will admit the game does have issues but I think the game play itself is solid. I think it will have a slow start but will improve more and more over time. I don't think it will be a failure at all. It won't have 7 million subscribers but it will have a solid player base.
Yup, I can think of 3, 4 maybe 5 people that I see that constantly bash the game...then I also see 1-30 post people bashing the game too, and then they never make any post afterwards. Not all 1-30 posts will be fakes, but most are.
I love how you imply that some of the posts are "FAKE". Are you saying that people say they hate it, but really don't?
He is meaning that 1 person will have 5+ accounts, which is a common practice for some guilds like FoH. He prolly do it himself to praise the game endlessly, and then he assume other will also, which may or not be the case, I honestly don't know, as I rather have 5k posts myself!!! I am "achieving" again! Can't change a monkey. But I suspect "his" side is worser than the other on this topic, since he brings it first, yet it is a wild guess.
Eh, am I the "maybe 5" ambiguous person because sometimes I defend Vanguard on a precise topic?
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Rappelz is on a different scale then VSOH . Rappelz is also free to play , is VSOH going to be free to play , if so then we can make the corrections and review them side by side.
Rappelz is actually a better game then VSOH, it has less of everything VSOH in every way, thought it makes up for it in one area, FUN.
Great to get the Rappelz plug in there lol , maybe instead spending 50 dolars on something that is basically the same you can pay 0 dollars and just plug away at it causally.
Making games for the "hardcore" just make you sound ridiculous.
Ya forsure sence the hardcore cant even grasp the simplest things about MMO's like respawn's and game machanic's that allow you to get up in tree's not referring to anything said here just one of your team mates that started yet another tread on vanguard
You lnow what , im just shut up and wait for " I told you so" moment , in 6 months . Hopefully AoC will be out and king conan is crushing your faces in your fathers blood and burning your mothers flesh with the flames of the next generation.
What makes you think I or anyone on this thread won't try or like AoC? I fully plan on giving it a go. I'm a fan of gaming not a fan of a particular game. Do you honestly think everyone here that likes VG will root for the failure of another game? That is the very definition of a basher.
We are greatly disappointed....like when you were a kid...expecting a top of the line, faster than lightning bicycle for christmas and getting a little red wagon....a wagon can be fun...but it isn't a bicycle.
Players were looking forward to an MMORPG that they could play for years, they miss the years they spent in EQ. WoW was and is a great game, but who can really get an emotional, lasting tie with a cartoon charactor that can only be improved with gear? Notice how easily folks put aside their 60 and start a line of alts in WoW? In Eq, your main was your main with few alts if any.
So basically we WANT Vanguard to be great, but...realistically it's going to have a tenth the success at their all-important launch than it showed promise of having...
Apparently they spent the last 5 years on trees and grass and clouds and building an oversized world. Almost everyone in beta has had to spend $$$$ on upgrades or even new systems to play it and it is STILL choppy with frequent disconnects..very few can even leave those great graphice turned up high enough to enjoy the eye candy. Quests are often broken (what they have of them), drops are lousy, and the much-advertised "diplomacy" just plain doesn't fit.]
In their quest to make it "hard" they are time-sinking it to death.
...and just think how playable it will be if they try to put enough players on the realms to avoid making it look empty of life?
...and think of how hard it will be to have a raid where everyone has a monster machine so they can move?
Nope, it's simply disappointment...because we all know you can't regain your losses after a lousy, too-early launch, and doubt we'll ever get that shiny new bicycle we've been wanting.
I agree with what your saying Anwar but i see enough promise in the game to want to support it if i dont see any changes after 6 months or when the next game comes out all just move there .
But i think really that for most of us its time to upgrade anyway i have a mid range machine plays vanguard fine but not on max everything like it could for any game 6 months ago i buy the newest titles out now and i cant play them on the highest settings .Myself ive been planning on upgrading for about 8 months now nothing to do with vanguard and more to do with dx 10 cards and stuff just starting to come out , i think that in 6 months those of use that dont have a fairly high end computer are going to be left in the dust with any game
Yes, I have an agenda. I want a decent game to play not a half-arsed, unpolished wanna be something else of a game. The game is horrible in its current condition so why would I defend it?
You wouldn't defend it, you come in this forum every damn day and post the same crap about how much you hate it. If your computer can't play it then find a game it will play. Vanguard ain't it.
Yes, I have an agenda. I want a decent game to play not a half-arsed, unpolished wanna be something else of a game. The game is horrible in its current condition so why would I defend it? It's people who defend these kinds of lackluster performances that continue the tradition of pay to beta. Hater this, basher that, yeah whatever. If you like the game fine play it. But just because thousands of people see MAJOR problems with Vanguard doesn't mean it's some kind of conspiracy. Oh no, we better call Kiefer! Eh, whatever. You can have youre crappy game, you deserve it. If you want to play the game like it is be my guest. But don't come cryin' to me when the fan base is shrinking because they promised gold and delivered an inferior product to the market place...
Yes, I have an agenda. I want a decent game to play not a half-arsed, unpolished wanna be something else of a game. The game is horrible in its current condition so why would I defend it? It's people who defend these kinds of lackluster performances that continue the tradition of pay to beta. Hater this, basher that, yeah whatever. If you like the game fine play it. But just because thousands of people see MAJOR problems with Vanguard doesn't mean it's some kind of conspiracy. Oh no, we better call Kiefer! Eh, whatever. You can have youre crappy game, you deserve it. If you want to play the game like it is be my guest. But don't come cryin' to me when the fan base is shrinking because they promised gold and delivered an inferior product to the market place...
Obviously, you do not like Vanguard. and it is clear that you do not support "pay to beta." I don't believe I have seen thousands of people having major problems with Vanguard. I have, however, seen a few here continually offering unsolicited gratuitous negative criticism of it . I believe the "thousands" are out there playing beta instead.
We will have our "crappy" game thank you, and enjoy it. No matter how often comparisons are made to it by the naysayers, Vanguard IS NOT D & L. So rest easy, the chances of us coming crying to you for that or any other reason are pretty NIL.
I apologize for getting the name wrong, it's Zorgo, not Gorgo as I wrote. So again, Great post Zorgo!
The funny thing is many of the people you see in this forum bashing Vanguard will be paying to play this game and will be there on opening day or shortly thereafter. Yes, they will deny it whole-heartedly but will be there nonetheless. Curiosity is a strange thing and as it stands right now, there really isn't anything good out and please save the "WoW is the one speech" because WoW isn't the one either. WoW has about many people who despise it as those who currently play it.
Hopefully, one of the other oncoming games really outshines the rest of the pack.
The problem with even giving Vanguard a benefit of the doubt is can you see yourself playing this for the long haul, the answer is no. I'd rather waste time not wasting time if that makes sense. All these games are a waste of time as much as just watching TV is, but there is a key difference. I know that if I invest time in the game I want it to be something I know I will be playing despite other mmorpgs since it will take so much effort to get shiny objects and level up,etc. I know I would not play Vanguard because I would drop it in a heartbeat for games like AOC or Warhammer, so why even bother starting it up? How do I know this well I've been in beta and even now I see that with even 5-6 months progress they can't ever change the one glaring flaw, the world is too damn big. Even with 3k people on one server once you get out of noobie land you are in a wasteland and even the mobs are so sparse, you travel for 5-20 minutes on average before you see any kind of npc outside of cities and noob start areas. There are even fewer players out in these areas, you will really get lost in this world, but you won't be playing, just getting lost. It feels like a 3D nature walk then anykind of meaningful mmorpg.
One other thing I have noticed allot on these forums is there is one particular member that likes to bash people about their PCs to answer anything they feel as negative comments towards Vanguard. They are acting like a 3 year old, not even a troll as a troll would make me laugh and does require skill to be a good one anyway, much like all things. They also like to go reporting posts that call them out on who they are, and continue to deficate upon this forum with the fervor of a japanese scat actress. I just can't stand how the community would put up with such an unintelligent individual that berates anyone who has the right to make any comment via freedom of speech by saying their machine is incapable of running the game, and they should go away.
The problem with even giving Vanguard a benefit of the doubt is can you see yourself playing this for the long haul, the answer is no. I'd rather waste time not wasting time if that makes sense. All these games are a waste of time as much as just watching TV is, but there is a key difference. I know that if I invest time in the game I want it to be something I know I will be playing despite other mmorpgs since it will take so much effort to get shiny objects and level up,etc. I know I would not play Vanguard because I would drop it in a heartbeat for games like AOC or Warhammer, so why even bother starting it up? How do I know this well I've been in beta and even now I see that with even 5-6 months progress they can't ever change the one glaring flaw, the world is too damn big. Even with 3k people on one server once you get out of noobie land you are in a wasteland and even the mobs are so sparse, you travel for 5-20 minutes on average before you see any kind of npc outside of cities and noob start areas. There are even fewer players out in these areas, you will really get lost in this world, but you won't be playing, just getting lost. It feels like a 3D nature walk then anykind of meaningful mmorpg.
One other thing I have noticed allot on these forums is there is one particular member that likes to bash people about their PCs to answer anything they feel as negative comments towards Vanguard. They are acting like a 3 year old, not even a troll as a troll would make me laugh and does require skill to be a good one anyway, much like all things. They also like to go reporting posts that call them out on who they are, and continue to deficate upon this forum with the fervor of a japanese scat actress. I just can't stand how the community would put up with such an unintelligent individual that berates anyone who has the right to make any comment via freedom of speech by saying their machine is incapable of running the game, and they should go away.
Heh its the same guy who has 294 hours of BF played. My guess sitting on a Titan cannon shooting teammates down below who are actually trying to accomplish something.
Actually, the reason you see so many posts bashing the game is the same reason you see the same kinds of posts in any other forum. Some people just love to bitch, and they love it even more when protected by anonymity. Hell, look at just about any public forum about anything, and that still holds true.
Actually, the reason you see so many posts bashing the game is the same reason you see the same kinds of posts in any other forum. Some people just love to bitch, and they love it even more when protected by anonymity. Hell, look at just about any public forum about anything, and that still holds true.
Well, newcomers maybe. But most long-term users around, they are not as "anonymous" as you like to say. Sigil, SoE, Cryptic, Mythic, NCsoft, they all can track fairly easy my email address to 1 user, with my name, RL adress, employer, and much more.
If I would just want to bash for bashing, I would not target harmless video games developpers, I would go for Bush, or some important Canoook. But devs? I mean, come on. Underpaid peoples are certainly not the folks that everyone want to trash. The only reason peoples bother is...they want a cool game, with many subsections. See, for FoH a cool game is a setting where they can abuse other players, but safe from PvP retaliations. For a casual it is a game where he can make fun and advances all the way to the end eventually, maybe in 10 years, but at least, he can...and so on.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Did anyone ever studied the posting history of some of the Vanguard bashers? I just did of three people without naming anyone in particular and it seems somehow odd. They all seem to be men on a mission, hehe. Did you observe something similar? I am getting curious now.
Just an FYI the "core" of LoS is playing WoW, and has been for some time. We also all beta tested Vanguard for quite some time, and quite frankly it just doesn't deliver what Brad and co. promised it would. I tried long and hard to like the game, but it offers nothing in terms of "Cutting edge MMO Technology", and "3rd Generation Combat!" - it is lacking both of these, sorely. The only thing I *did* like was the original Diplomacy, but that has sadly been destroyed into the stupidity that it is now.
Vanguard had alot of great ideas, and direction at first (beta 2) but somewhere along the way it was lost, and now it is trying to appeal to the generic MMO Market - which is why alot of us can't stand playing. None of us played Beta longer than 1 3 week stretch. The fun just wasn't there, and we've tried picking it back up at the beginning of every new Beta phase, thinking they may have fixed things. But they still haven't.
You may resume putting on your tinfoil hat, and enjoying your own little magic world.
p.s Burning Crusade has 5 man Epics, in the hardest single group content I've ever seen in any MMO Not to mention craftable epics that are BOP.
Just an FYI the "core" of LoS is playing WoW, and has been for some time. We also all beta tested Vanguard for quite some time, and quite frankly it just doesn't deliver what Brad and co. promised it would. I tried long and hard to like the game, but it offers nothing in terms of "Cutting edge MMO Technology", and "3rd Generation Combat!" - it is lacking both of these, sorely. The only thing I *did* like was the original Diplomacy, but that has sadly been destroyed into the stupidity that it is now.
Vanguard had alot of great ideas, and direction at first (beta 2) but somewhere along the way it was lost, and now it is trying to appeal to the generic MMO Market - which is why alot of us can't stand playing. None of us played Beta longer than 1 3 week stretch. The fun just wasn't there, and we've tried picking it back up at the beginning of every new Beta phase, thinking they may have fixed things. But they still haven't.
You may resume putting on your tinfoil hat, and enjoying your own little magic world.
p.s Burning Crusade has 5 man Epics, in the hardest single group content I've ever seen in any MMO Not to mention craftable epics that are BOP.
WoW = MMO with training wheels - Deal with it and enjoy YOUR time in that Smurfy/lame hell that is WoW!
WoW = MMO with training wheels - Deal with it and enjoy YOUR time in that Smurfy/lame hell that is WoW!
Yep that is why Naxxramas is the most fun I've ever had in an MMO, and the hardest content I've ever experienced in 6 years of EQ at the top of the game, DAOC, L2, and Vanguard.
WoW = MMO with training wheels - Deal with it and enjoy YOUR time in that Smurfy/lame hell that is WoW!
Yep that is why Naxxramas is the most fun I've ever had in an MMO, and the hardest content I've ever experienced in 6 years of EQ at the top of the game, DAOC, L2, and Vanguard.
But hey - keep dreaming kiddo.
See, I dont come on your Smurfy forum to burn down WoW, even though it is the most "cookie cutter", "mass marketed" garbage I have ever laid my hands on. Clearly developed with the lowest common denominator in mind and this is the reason it is so financially successful. You can pretend its hard all you like, it doesn't make it so. Getting to Lvl 60 in 2 weeks (I know people who have) is absolutely laughable. Keep your "hard" game and if you don't like Vanguard, go back to the WoW playground and leave us alone.
it has to do more with the amount of flaming Brad/EQ fanboys/girls that attack everyone who dislikes something about vanguard. other than that the bashing seem to be consistent of that of any upcoming new game.
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Heh for all the bashers there are LOTS of people that just don't post to bash it. We know the game speaks for itself and since it is a dull game, a lot of us don't see the need.
I love how you imply that some of the posts are "FAKE". Are you saying that people say they hate it, but really don't?
The game just doesn't stand up to many games already on the market, and doesn't appear to come close to some of the true Third generation MMOs coming out.
Which MMO is a third generation MMO? That is just a tired marketing phrase. The only MMO I know that is truly different is EVE and I find it extremely boring.
Also, there are a lot of people that like the game that don't post anything because they don't want to get flamed.
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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VSoH is not even out of open beta, I'm not sure how you can call it a failure. I will admit the game does have issues but I think the game play itself is solid. I think it will have a slow start but will improve more and more over time. I don't think it will be a failure at all. It won't have 7 million subscribers but it will have a solid player base.
I love how you imply that some of the posts are "FAKE". Are you saying that people say they hate it, but really don't?
He is meaning that 1 person will have 5+ accounts, which is a common practice for some guilds like FoH. He prolly do it himself to praise the game endlessly, and then he assume other will also, which may or not be the case, I honestly don't know, as I rather have 5k posts myself!!! I am "achieving" again! Can't change a monkey. But I suspect "his" side is worser than the other on this topic, since he brings it first, yet it is a wild guess.
Eh, am I the "maybe 5" ambiguous person because sometimes I defend Vanguard on a precise topic?
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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Ya forsure sence the hardcore cant even grasp the simplest things about MMO's like respawn's and game machanic's that allow you to get up in tree's not referring to anything said here just one of your team mates that started yet another tread on vanguard
Dont you guys get tired of being owned or what
Nope no hidden agenda in my opinion
It's really simple..really.
We are greatly disappointed....like when you were a kid...expecting a top of the line, faster than lightning bicycle for christmas and getting a little red wagon....a wagon can be fun...but it isn't a bicycle.
Players were looking forward to an MMORPG that they could play for years, they miss the years they spent in EQ. WoW was and is a great game, but who can really get an emotional, lasting tie with a cartoon charactor that can only be improved with gear? Notice how easily folks put aside their 60 and start a line of alts in WoW? In Eq, your main was your main with few alts if any.
So basically we WANT Vanguard to be great, but...realistically it's going to have a tenth the success at their all-important launch than it showed promise of having...
Apparently they spent the last 5 years on trees and grass and clouds and building an oversized world. Almost everyone in beta has had to spend $$$$ on upgrades or even new systems to play it and it is STILL choppy with frequent disconnects..very few can even leave those great graphice turned up high enough to enjoy the eye candy. Quests are often broken (what they have of them), drops are lousy, and the much-advertised "diplomacy" just plain doesn't fit.]
In their quest to make it "hard" they are time-sinking it to death.
...and just think how playable it will be if they try to put enough players on the realms to avoid making it look empty of life?
...and think of how hard it will be to have a raid where everyone has a monster machine so they can move?
Nope, it's simply disappointment...because we all know you can't regain your losses after a lousy, too-early launch, and doubt we'll ever get that shiny new bicycle we've been wanting.
I agree with what your saying Anwar but i see enough promise in the game to want to support it if i dont see any changes after 6 months or when the next game comes out all just move there .
But i think really that for most of us its time to upgrade anyway i have a mid range machine plays vanguard fine but not on max everything like it could for any game 6 months ago i buy the newest titles out now and i cant play them on the highest settings .Myself ive been planning on upgrading for about 8 months now nothing to do with vanguard and more to do with dx 10 cards and stuff just starting to come out , i think that in 6 months those of use that dont have a fairly high end computer are going to be left in the dust with any game
You wouldn't defend it, you come in this forum every damn day and post the same crap about how much you hate it. If your computer can't play it then find a game it will play. Vanguard ain't it.
Cant blame them really vanguard was kinda hypped to the sky and it didnt delive on most parts.
I second your postFUNCOM - putting the FUN in disFUNctional !
Obviously, you do not like Vanguard. and it is clear that you do not support "pay to beta." I don't believe I have seen thousands of people having major problems with Vanguard. I have, however, seen a few here continually offering unsolicited gratuitous negative criticism of it . I believe the "thousands" are out there playing beta instead.
We will have our "crappy" game thank you, and enjoy it. No matter how often comparisons are made to it by the naysayers, Vanguard IS NOT D & L. So rest easy, the chances of us coming crying to you for that or any other reason are pretty NIL.
I apologize for getting the name wrong, it's Zorgo, not Gorgo as I wrote. So again, Great post Zorgo!
The funny thing is many of the people you see in this forum bashing Vanguard will be paying to play this game and will be there on opening day or shortly thereafter. Yes, they will deny it whole-heartedly but will be there nonetheless. Curiosity is a strange thing and as it stands right now, there really isn't anything good out and please save the "WoW is the one speech" because WoW isn't the one either. WoW has about many people who despise it as those who currently play it.
Hopefully, one of the other oncoming games really outshines the rest of the pack.
The problem with even giving Vanguard a benefit of the doubt is can you see yourself playing this for the long haul, the answer is no. I'd rather waste time not wasting time if that makes sense. All these games are a waste of time as much as just watching TV is, but there is a key difference. I know that if I invest time in the game I want it to be something I know I will be playing despite other mmorpgs since it will take so much effort to get shiny objects and level up,etc. I know I would not play Vanguard because I would drop it in a heartbeat for games like AOC or Warhammer, so why even bother starting it up? How do I know this well I've been in beta and even now I see that with even 5-6 months progress they can't ever change the one glaring flaw, the world is too damn big. Even with 3k people on one server once you get out of noobie land you are in a wasteland and even the mobs are so sparse, you travel for 5-20 minutes on average before you see any kind of npc outside of cities and noob start areas. There are even fewer players out in these areas, you will really get lost in this world, but you won't be playing, just getting lost. It feels like a 3D nature walk then anykind of meaningful mmorpg.
One other thing I have noticed allot on these forums is there is one particular member that likes to bash people about their PCs to answer anything they feel as negative comments towards Vanguard. They are acting like a 3 year old, not even a troll as a troll would make me laugh and does require skill to be a good one anyway, much like all things. They also like to go reporting posts that call them out on who they are, and continue to deficate upon this forum with the fervor of a japanese scat actress. I just can't stand how the community would put up with such an unintelligent individual that berates anyone who has the right to make any comment via freedom of speech by saying their machine is incapable of running the game, and they should go away.
FUNCOM - putting the FUN in disFUNctional !
Well, newcomers maybe. But most long-term users around, they are not as "anonymous" as you like to say. Sigil, SoE, Cryptic, Mythic, NCsoft, they all can track fairly easy my email address to 1 user, with my name, RL adress, employer, and much more.
If I would just want to bash for bashing, I would not target harmless video games developpers, I would go for Bush, or some important Canoook. But devs? I mean, come on. Underpaid peoples are certainly not the folks that everyone want to trash. The only reason peoples bother is...they want a cool game, with many subsections. See, for FoH a cool game is a setting where they can abuse other players, but safe from PvP retaliations. For a casual it is a game where he can make fun and advances all the way to the end eventually, maybe in 10 years, but at least, he can...and so on.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
I can.
And it's sweet and movie like.
Just an FYI the "core" of LoS is playing WoW, and has been for some time. We also all beta tested Vanguard for quite some time, and quite frankly it just doesn't deliver what Brad and co. promised it would. I tried long and hard to like the game, but it offers nothing in terms of "Cutting edge MMO Technology", and "3rd Generation Combat!" - it is lacking both of these, sorely. The only thing I *did* like was the original Diplomacy, but that has sadly been destroyed into the stupidity that it is now.
Vanguard had alot of great ideas, and direction at first (beta 2) but somewhere along the way it was lost, and now it is trying to appeal to the generic MMO Market - which is why alot of us can't stand playing. None of us played Beta longer than 1 3 week stretch. The fun just wasn't there, and we've tried picking it back up at the beginning of every new Beta phase, thinking they may have fixed things. But they still haven't.
You may resume putting on your tinfoil hat, and enjoying your own little magic world.
p.s Burning Crusade has 5 man Epics, in the hardest single group content I've ever seen in any MMO
But hey - keep dreaming kiddo.
But hey - keep dreaming kiddo.
See, I dont come on your Smurfy forum to burn down WoW, even though it is the most "cookie cutter", "mass marketed" garbage I have ever laid my hands on. Clearly developed with the lowest common denominator in mind and this is the reason it is so financially successful. You can pretend its hard all you like, it doesn't make it so. Getting to Lvl 60 in 2 weeks (I know people who have) is absolutely laughable. Keep your "hard" game and if you don't like Vanguard, go back to the WoW playground and leave us alone.
/Here endeth the lesson!