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Banned from WoW because I worked in China.

I work for a network/data company that has a datacenter in china. I was offered to work for a 3 month period overseas in China. I never have really gone to a foreign country for more then a few days, and I was going to get a raise so I took the offer. I basically am one of the managers of the datacenter, I just make sure all the guys under me are doing the right thing and I also sit at a monitoring desk. Pretty much I was surrounded by 4 computer screens, 3 of them were just monitoring the servers, network, etc... The other screen was loaded up with World of Warcraft :). I pretty much played whenever I was bored, I have 4 level 60's (I made 2 of them before going over to china) and I even got a friend over in America to buy me a copy of the Burning Crusade, give me the cd key. And with my resources at hand, from work I got the cd's copied to a server in the american datacenter and got it send over a high speed line over to the chinese datacenter, still took a while but I got BC :).



So, thats the background story ill tell you what Blizzard did. They banned my account, with 4 level 60's on it. Want to know why? Because they though I was a chinese farmer/powerleveler/whatever... Just because I was on a chinese ip. Not because I exploited the game, not because I cheated, and I am strongly against powerleveling/gold farmers, I report them everytime I see those stupid advertisements in general chat. Pretty much, Blizzard just went over a wild assumption and thought because I was playing in china, that I was a farmer. I emailed blizzard the moment I got the banned account login message. I quickly told them my situation, and offered to get them a copy of my license and passport to prove I was a United States Citizen. I even got my head manager who is a really nice guy that also plays, to send them an email as well. They still kept me banned, even after I gave them proof that the IP I was playing under was of ownership of an American company, with a datacenter in china. They still kept me banned, and I am really pissed. Today is my 2nd day back, I am pretty much done with MMO's, I however am thinking about picking up EVE. I just got back though, have to spend some time with the girlfriend before I dedicated some time to an MMO.
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  • End_of_a_eraEnd_of_a_era Member Posts: 527
    Yup it sucks.

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  • Havoc01Havoc01 Member Posts: 113
    Wow, Blizzard screwed you over, but some WoW fanboy will come and say you are a liar.



    EVE is pretty fun, if you like a game with depth, you will like EvE.
  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182
    Its in the new ruleset, you are only allowed to play WoW US servers in certain regions, and China is not one of them, hence you were banned.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,060

    You obviously missed the changes to the EULA/TOC that specifically stated that only players from 5 nations were permitted to play on US servers. I didn't think they'd actively enforce it, but shows what I know.

    They probably did this not because they thought you were a gold farmer... but in response to recent changes in Chinese law about how much time players can be allowed (by the game itself) to play each day. 

    Full article here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4183340.stm

    By actively pursuing players like yourself they can tell the Chinese government that they are doing everything they can to police the community and comply with the new law.  I expect the Chinese version of WoW will be modified to accomodate the new rules.

    Remember, in China, you piss the government off and they can just shut you down...no questions asked... so companies tend to comply with any edicts handed to them.

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  • hawk162hawk162 Member Posts: 36
    Originally posted by Gameloading

    Its in the new ruleset, you are only allowed to play WoW US servers in certain regions, and China is not one of them, hence you were banned.
    Yea, but see I live in America, I am a United States Citizen. I bought the game in America, and i played there for months, and months. What pisses me off is they did not understand my situation, what am I supposed to buy wow in china just because I am working there for 3 months? What would I do if I was to come back to America? then I could not play on my chinese account. It would of been nice if they gave me a warning, I would of just not played on it. But they have to instantly ban me.
  • Havoc01Havoc01 Member Posts: 113
    Originally posted by hawk162

    Originally posted by Gameloading

    Its in the new ruleset, you are only allowed to play WoW US servers in certain regions, and China is not one of them, hence you were banned.
    Yea, but see I live in America, I am a United States Citizen. I bought the game in America, and i played there for months, and months. What pisses me off is they did not understand my situation, what am I supposed to buy wow in china just because I am working there for 3 months? What would I do if I was to come back to America? then I could not play on my chinese account. It would of been nice if they gave me a warning, I would of just not played on it. But they have to instantly ban me. Don't give them anymore money, don't buy another copy, thats what they are trying to get you to do.
  • ryukryuk Member Posts: 36

    What's the point in playing an mmorpg if your forced to play on servers that serve a few countries? I have played a ton of mmorpgs and made friends with people from eygpt,japan,england, and dozens of other countries. It's been ages since i played wow and i don't know what they have been doing, but this goes against the whole concept of being able to play and meet with people that you wouldn't otherwise.

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  • VyavaVyava Member Posts: 893
    Originally posted by hawk162





    So, thats the background story ill tell you what Blizzard did. They banned my account, with 4 level 60's on it. Want to know why? Because they though I was a chinese farmer/powerleveler/whatever... Just because I was on a chinese ip.
    Next time don't click accept without reading what you are accepting. Do you throw hair dyers into water also?
  • jimmyman99jimmyman99 Member UncommonPosts: 3,221
    Originally posted by ryuk


    What's the point in playing an mmorpg if your forced to play on servers that serve a few countries? I have played a ton of mmorpgs and made friends with people from eygpt,japan,england, and dozens of other countries. It's been ages since i played wow and i don't know what they have been doing, but this goes against the whole concept of being able to play and meet with people that you wouldn't otherwise.
    I know it sux to have restrictions, but its the catch to have a slightly better security, at the expence of a piece of your freedom. They try to control the botter/farmer problem, but in the process innocent people get hurt becuase of the limitations they pose on  your freedom in their game. Sux, I know, its a necessary evil.

    I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
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  • SpornSporn Member Posts: 259

    Do yourself a favor and play eve when you cool off.  They did you a favor belive me that game was like running in  a hamster wheel.  Atleast in eve you can blow up other peoples wheels. 

  • BrainyBrainy Member EpicPosts: 2,208
    Originally posted by hawk162

    Originally posted by Gameloading

    Its in the new ruleset, you are only allowed to play WoW US servers in certain regions, and China is not one of them, hence you were banned.
    Yea, but see I live in America, I am a United States Citizen. I bought the game in America, and i played there for months, and months. What pisses me off is they did not understand my situation, what am I supposed to buy wow in china just because I am working there for 3 months? What would I do if I was to come back to America? then I could not play on my chinese account. It would of been nice if they gave me a warning, I would of just not played on it. But they have to instantly ban me.



    You keep stating you are an American Citizen so you should be ok to play.  Umm news flash there are alot of Americans abroad that are not allowed to buy this game because of those restrictions.  You even knew you were not suppose to, because you admitted to copying BC cds.  You should have just followed the rules, and stopped playing WoW while you were in China.  Then when you came back you could resume playing and would never have been banned.

    When you break rules be prepared to suffer the consequences.

    Good for blizzard for actually inforcing the rules they have.  Most games dont enforce any rules

  • kordrialkordrial Member Posts: 160
    Originally posted by jimmyman99

    Originally posted by ryuk


    What's the point in playing an mmorpg if your forced to play on servers that serve a few countries? I have played a ton of mmorpgs and made friends with people from eygpt,japan,england, and dozens of other countries. It's been ages since i played wow and i don't know what they have been doing, but this goes against the whole concept of being able to play and meet with people that you wouldn't otherwise.
    I know it sux to have restrictions, but its the catch to have a slightly better security, at the expence of a piece of your freedom. They try to control the botter/farmer problem, but in the process innocent people get hurt becuase of the limitations they pose on  your freedom in their game. Sux, I know, its a necessary evil.

    Anybody who is willing to give up any freedom for security deserves niether -- i believe that was Franklin.
  • bobblerbobbler Member UncommonPosts: 810
    Brainy your life is a contradiction of your name. Theres only rare cases where your an American citizen and you can not play. Also theres no rule against copying a CD for personal use. i also searched the EULA and ToA on the site and didnt find anything against playing the game in a country other than america only thing i saw was no distribution to countries the US has an embargo on.

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  • ClawsysClawsys Member Posts: 109
    I was thinking about buying it, but with that I decided against it. Blizzard is getting worst and worst as a company and so I won't support such peoples.
  • necrotherionnecrotherion Member Posts: 130
    Wow, that sucks, REALLY bad.



    Unfortunately, I don't think there's anything you can do. Perhaps you can get your friend to contact a GM? They seem like friendly and reasonable enough people, if only a bit automated.



    You have every reason to be pissed. The authentication codes should be localized, not servers! And who the hell reads the EULA/TOA, anyways!
  • britFROMcalibritFROMcali Member Posts: 25

    Spot on.

    Originally posted by kordrial



    Anybody who is willing to give up any freedom for security deserves niether -- i believe that was Franklin.
  • JennysMindJennysMind Member UncommonPosts: 869
    The problem with playing EVE in China is that they have their own server and the OP may have no choice but to play the Chinese server.  The OP should  wait until he gets back to the states to try EVE.
  • MunkiMunki Member CommonPosts: 2,128
    Originally posted by britFROMcali


    Spot on.
    Originally posted by kordrial



    Anybody who is willing to give up any freedom for security deserves niether -- i believe that was Franklin.

    I hate that quote. Its silly. I give up my right to kill another man, so I can have the security of knowing that I wont be killed randomly.

    I give up my freedom to sell drugs, so I know that other people wont, and it will keep where I live safer.

    You cant have security without taking away freedom. To say that by attempting to provide or receive protection you dont deserve it.. is asaine.

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    after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...

  • BrainyBrainy Member EpicPosts: 2,208

    Well after doing a bit of research, then if what you claim is true, that you were banned because you played from China.  Was that before Jan 11th?  Because according to Blizzard they have changed that policy in thier terms of use.  If that is the reason you were banned, you should be able to call customer support and get that changed, because Blizzard has changed thier policy on that.  Here is the information.  Its also possible some idiot person banned you based on the old ToS?  Should be able to play from anywhere now.

    1. Eligibility.



    You represent that you reside in the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, or Singapore, and that you are an adult in your country of residence. You agree to these Terms of Use on behalf of yourself and, at your discretion, for one (1) minor child for whom you are a parent or guardian and whom you have authorized to use the account you create on the Service.




    ^ This has been in the game since it started so nothing new here...







    December 11, 2006 - You can view this ToS via the button on the main screen when you start up WoW:

    4. Limitations on Your Use of the Service.



    A. You may only access the Service from within the territorial boundaries of the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand or Singapore. Any access to your Account, whether by you or anyone else, from any location outside those countries is a breach of this Agreement.




    ^ This was something NEW put in. This also gave Blizzard the right to ban players who live outside the stated countries.







    January 11, 2007 - Currently can only be viewed here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html

    1. Eligibility.



    You represent that you are an adult in your country of residence. You agree to these Terms of Use on behalf of yourself and, at your discretion, for one (1) minor child for whom you are a parent or guardian and whom you have authorized to use the account you create on the Service.

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,060
    Originally posted by Brainy


    Well after doing a bit of research, then if what you claim is true, that you were banned because you played from China.  Was that before Jan 11th?  Because according to Blizzard they have changed that policy in thier terms of use.  If that is the reason you were banned, you should be able to call customer support and get that changed, because Blizzard has changed thier policy on that.  Here is the information.  Its also possible some idiot person banned you based on the old ToS?  Should be able to play from anywhere now.
    1. Eligibility.



    You represent that you reside in the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, or Singapore, and that you are an adult in your country of residence. You agree to these Terms of Use on behalf of yourself and, at your discretion, for one (1) minor child for whom you are a parent or guardian and whom you have authorized to use the account you create on the Service.




    ^ This has been in the game since it started so nothing new here...







    December 11, 2006 - You can view this ToS via the button on the main screen when you start up WoW:

    4. Limitations on Your Use of the Service.



    A. You may only access the Service from within the territorial boundaries of the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand or Singapore. Any access to your Account, whether by you or anyone else, from any location outside those countries is a breach of this Agreement.




    ^ This was something NEW put in. This also gave Blizzard the right to ban players who live outside the stated countries.







    January 11, 2007 - Currently can only be viewed here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html

    1. Eligibility.



    You represent that you are an adult in your country of residence. You agree to these Terms of Use on behalf of yourself and, at your discretion, for one (1) minor child for whom you are a parent or guardian and whom you have authorized to use the account you create on the Service.

    Interesting how the TOS keeps changing... the Jan 11th version still has this clause...almost seems to go with the Dec 11 th limitation and wasn't removed when the other clause was..



    ".Those who choose to access the Service from locations outside of the United States, Canada, Australia, Singapore, or New Zealand do so on their own initiative contrary to the terms of this Agreement, and are responsible for compliance with local laws if and to the extent local laws are applicable."


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  • r0hnr0hn Member Posts: 185

    I would have bought a new copy of the game to take to China.  At least then you'd still have 2 60's.

    Hawk as much as I can empathize with your situation, Blizzard basically has the right to ban anyone they want.

     

  • EvolonEvolon Member Posts: 16
    Originally posted by Kyleran


    You obviously missed the changes to the EULA/TOC that specifically stated that only players from 5 nations were permitted to play on US servers. I didn't think they'd actively enforce it, but shows what I know.
    They probably did this not because they thought you were a gold farmer... but in response to recent changes in Chinese law about how much time players can be allowed (by the game itself) to play each day. 
    Full article here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4183340.stm
    By actively pursuing players like yourself they can tell the Chinese government that they are doing everything they can to police the community and comply with the new law.  I expect the Chinese version of WoW will be modified to accomodate the new rules.
    Remember, in China, you piss the government off and they can just shut you down...no questions asked... so companies tend to comply with any edicts handed to them.
    This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums.



    It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line.
  • TharcideTharcide Member Posts: 97
    Originally posted by Evolon

    Originally posted by Kyleran


    You obviously missed the changes to the EULA/TOC that specifically stated that only players from 5 nations were permitted to play on US servers. I didn't think they'd actively enforce it, but shows what I know.
    They probably did this not because they thought you were a gold farmer... but in response to recent changes in Chinese law about how much time players can be allowed (by the game itself) to play each day. 
    Full article here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4183340.stm
    By actively pursuing players like yourself they can tell the Chinese government that they are doing everything they can to police the community and comply with the new law.  I expect the Chinese version of WoW will be modified to accomodate the new rules.
    Remember, in China, you piss the government off and they can just shut you down...no questions asked... so companies tend to comply with any edicts handed to them.
    This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums.



    It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line. ,

    If you get excited by that then you are skimming over some good posts yourself...

    Because in the midst of all the spam, there is always a well thought out response.



    Well I'm sorry to hear that they would instant ban you on a recently added rule. They have a lot of customers to work with and they don't have much time to talk/think on a personal level.

    Personally, I wouldn't have tried to connect to a server designated to be played in a different country unless I read the rules and it clearly said I could .

    Heck, there's plenty to do then play WOW.

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  • xxpigxxxxpigxx Member UncommonPosts: 412
    Sue 'em







  • NeverasNeveras Member UncommonPosts: 303
    Originally posted by xxpigxx

    Sue 'em







    That's of course genius. Waste tons of money and time in court for something that was a breach in the TOS after admitting he imported american software into China, which I'm sure is a big no-no.
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