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How many people will not go to Vanguard because of SOE?
in4sit
Member Posts: 130
I was really looking at this game but I must say, they reason I did not run out and get this game is because of the SOE name. A few of my friends did go out and get it but I am still holding out. I don't know maybe its just me but I can not help it because of SOE's past,.. putting games out live that are not done and you pay to play a beta game, taking forever to fix a bug, blowing smoke to the customer, etc... So, it just me thinking of how many people will go to Vanguard.
Been there done that:
Asherons Call,SWG,AOC,D&D,COH,Anarchy Online,DAOC,EVE,Guild Wars,LOTRO,POTBS,WAR,WW2, and Rift
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Tried: Vanguard, UO, Rappelz, Archlord, RF Online, SWG, WAR, Ryzom, Anarchy Online, AC, APB, STO, Perfect World, Black Prophecy...
Played: EQ,EQII, Lineage, Lineage 2, GW, EVE Online, AoC, DoAC, iRO, AC2, WoW, SWTOR, Runes of Magic, Allods, Rift..
Currently Playing: Tera
Well, don't get me wrong,.. I am not bashing anyone who is going to play Vanguard, I just want to know how many people won't go because of SWG.
I am glad that SOE has done something with the other games but I can not help but wonder why they dropped the ball so bad when it came to Star Wars,.. you think with the "Star Wars" name they would keep this game at the top of the list of good games... but thats just me.
Been there done that:
Asherons Call,SWG,AOC,D&D,COH,Anarchy Online,DAOC,EVE,Guild Wars,LOTRO,POTBS,WAR,WW2, and Rift
It doesn't matter that the folks in San Diego are much more professional. If I walked into a store and watched a store employee act like a spoiled child towards a customer in the housewares section, I'm not going to be doing any shopping in the hardware section no matter how nice the people there are, especially if the store manager knows what is going on but does nothing to change it. Until SOE changes the way they treat their customers, I'm not going to be giving them any money no matter how good any of their products are.
Anyway, keep in mind that SOE's President, John Smedley, has used SOE's lack of involvement with the development of Vanguard as a selling point. That should tell you something when the head guy is touting his company's lack of involvement in a product as a positive thing.
I can understand a lot of the hate towards SOE but sometimes it just gets out of hand. Fortunately I've never played Star Wars Galaxies (which is like a hate generating machine), but I have played Tanarus (including while they were developing EQ's internet engine on it), EverQuest, Planetside and EverQuest 2.
Tanarus (Verant ? - then 989 studios - then soe) was incredible fun - probably up there with the most fun I've ever had in an online game - EVER! My gripe with this game is that they stopped developing for it once the EverQuest behemoth came out.
I almost never had problems with EverQuest in terms of stability/performance and bugs were rare (for me). (I started in may 1999). I never mysteriously had items disappear or character issues, rarely lost connection or had zones dropout. Almost all my issues were with gameplay mechanics, which are very much subjective (although still they made some most upsetting changes).
With planetside once again I had very few issues, servers were again very stable. Very few bugs/issues and once again in right situations the fun factor could be pretty high.
EverQuest 2 - this had one of THE most stable launches ever seen for an MMO game. The time I played it (a few months), I had almost no show-stopping bugs or serious issues that affected my gameplay.
Note my theme here - stable, working servers.
This is the #1 reason I quit World of Warcraft over a year ago. Their server structure just could NOT cope with any kind of load on their servers, and whilst raking in hundreds of millions of $, they weren't doing anything to fix it - just introduce new servers that under load will suffer the exact same problem. Problems with item/database server and general server lag just became too annoying when I'd never had any of these ongoing problems with EQ/EQ2. My connection/playtime to/in EverQuest 1 on dialup from Australia was MORE stable than my connection/playtime with World of Warcraft.
That is a GOOD thing about SOE - they, in all the games I've played, have had a great network/internet infrastructure with oodles of bandwidth and server stability unsurpassed in mmos. On the technical side, as good or better than any other mmo I've played. A bug here, an unfinished quest mob there, gameplay unbalanced in that area - these, if not frequent enough, are minor things that I can deal with if the rest of the game is fun and interesting enough. Being unable to loot mobs, talk to NPC's or dying due to serverside lag - those are major things that make me want to quit.
Now if what we are led to believe about Vanguard: Saga of Heroes is true, that SOE have no creative control over content, but are basically a glorified Internet Service Provider/biilling system for Vanguard - then these past issues you have are rendered null and void.
So far, besides Vanguard running like an absolute dog on my system (A64 3000, 1Gig ram, 6800GT - upgrade time!), I've had no showstopping problems at all. I think I've only had a problem with one quest (at lvl 11) and that may just be because I did something wrong. I am having a reasonably fun and interesting time in the game - yes some minor annoyances here and there - but a game can't be 100% perfect to everyone. We all have issues, and noones idea of the perfect mmo is the same.
Going back to original post - your reservations about this game must be due to the fact that you believe SOE does have creative control over the game (contrary to what the developers say)? Otherwise your post has little merit.
Been there done that:
Asherons Call,SWG,AOC,D&D,COH,Anarchy Online,DAOC,EVE,Guild Wars,LOTRO,POTBS,WAR,WW2, and Rift
A self-proclaimed biggest grind game.
Is there anything else that needs to be discussed?
VSoH has nothing. All it has is grind. Some will refuse to see it, but that's all there is. There's only one problem. WoW's grind is better.
Would you buy a used car from this man?
Once it's getting to the money it will be same old. I seriously hope I'll be proofed wrong tho. Then it would be a hint that something long amiss is changing for better on SomeOnEs behalf.
i know there are lots of people that likes swg, but george lucas should have gotten his own crew to do swg and skip out on SoE and company because he's rich already, just look at it this way they made popular non mmorpg games with lucas arts, and im sure if they made swg without soe it would jsut be as good or even better...just look at blizzard they did very well with WoW...
SOE's involvement was definitely one of the things I considered which led me to pass on Vanguard.
I am debating about Gods and Heroes for the same reason.
SOE is only publishing Gods and Heroes, nothing more!
Perpetual controls the servers, billing, support, and development and other things.
// The G&H Townhall - http://gnhth.vault.ign.com - a Gods and Heroes fansite
wait...this I hate SOE cause they changed SWG crap is still going on?
In the end I wonder when people will realize that SOE has very little control over what they do with SWG.
This is getting pretty sad and to me people take this stuff far to seriously.
I played SWG. I was a Wookie Master commando/Creature Handler. Loved every minute of the game. from the player housing to the player ran cities to killing every rebel scum I could find. It was a blast. Then the CU came out. I didnt like it so I stopped playing. Canceled my account and haven't thought to much about it since.
after all it's LA's game they can do what they want with it.
As far as bad customer service, never experianced that myself. I have never had a problem with SOE or really any companies CSR's. Outside of Taco Bell one time. but, that is a whole different story lol. anyway, Life is far to short to allow a game of any kind to effect you in real life.
I wouldn't on principle but also if I invest month/years and my hard earned money into somthing I don't expect it to be taken away overnight.
true if I invested my money It would suck to have it taken away over night but, playing a game online is not an investment it is a service you are paying for. Plain and simple. if you njoy a certain resteraunt and you eat there 2 or 3 times a week for several years then one day it's closed and gone. would this really effect you? I'd say wow didnt see that coming that sucks, well time to find a new place that I like. Same can be applied to games IMO.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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You have a problem with how wonderful the EQ2 launch was compared to the WoW launch? SOE didn't have to worry about pointless things like a surge of customers flooding the EQ2 servers, in fact they were prepared for EQ2's launch so well that a few months later they were able to merge the game servers. Blizzard is so pathetic that they still, a couple years after WoW's launch, have to add more game servers.
Quite true.
I will NEVER spend any $$$ on anything from SOE or any other product associated with sony. This might not always be possible as someone pointed out, sony is everywhere nowdays. But i will try real hard until the day i get PRE-CU SWG !!!!!
Those !%$#!% at SOE will not see my money until then.