I've got my eyes set on an MMORPG where the moment some idiot whines at me I can kill him on the spot and steal his loot.
Darkfall Online will put WoW to shame...(though Granado Espada has already done so a hundred times over).
Lol you people keep saying this game will do that and that game will do this. When all these so called games that are going to put wow to shame come out, what do they actually do?? They fail to be the wow killer that you keep predicting.
Darkfall been in prduction how long now? ever going to be released? You say Granadoa espando already has put wow to shame hundred times over. where has it put it to shame?? has it been relased? any subscribers yet?
Where do you even get your facts from that any of the above games has or are gouing to put wow to shame? Vnaguard forums were full of this ignorant rubbish for months, when relased nothing but pure flaming there about it.
Thats the point with you Wow haters, you make ssumptions without knowing any facts, please keep jumping from game to game!!.
I played WoW 1-60 with 1 to at least 1-45 in every other class (save for paladin, what a crappy class). I did all this over a year to when the expansion released and quit the game as well. WoW offers less than Everquest 1 did. Granado Espada has already been out in Korea for quite some time now and I have been playing the US beta. What it offers is a beautiful music track and, I can't stress this enough, a BRAND NEW element to the MMORPG genre (You control three players at once rather than one). What also helps in keeping this game from a simple grind/quest fest is you don't just take on one monster at a time but rather anywhere from 10-30 (possibly more) at one single time.
Darkfall on the other hand is pushing the boundry even further with naval battles, manual aiming, non gear oriented, dynamic monsters spawns, physics, weather that actually does something, and the list goes on. Sure it has been in development for 4-5+ years but I'd rather have a working game at release that meets my expectations rather than some get rich quick by copying whats already out there and tailoring it to the masses marketing ploy.
I have plenty of "facts", if you'd like more just ask/pm.
P.S. I find Vanguard to be an EQ clone too, so don't think I'm backing that up while bashing something so similar.
Also, just because game 1 doesn't have as many subscribers as game 2 doesn't mean game 1 isn't a better game.
There are a lot of arguments as to why people hate WoW. The linear gameplay, repetitive end-game, bad community, etc. etc. The reason WoW is doing so well is because Blizzard has a reputation for making great games; Warcraft, Starcraft, Diablo, and all of their fanbase joined WoW when it came out...I know I did. The truth is Blizzard is the Apple of gaming companies (sorry MS lovers) but its true. Blizzard comes out with polished, play ready games that a wide variety of people can enjoy and they are a quite trustable company. Look at SOE and how EQ2 went with their expansions, Blizzard is just a well rounded company and people enjoy their games that's why it appeals to SO MANY people.
There's no use arguing about the success that Blizzard has had. If you had 7 million or however many people shelling out $15 a month i think you would start to worry a little less about doing exactly what the community thinks that they want because you're OBVIOUSLY doing something right. Plus, most of the people who play WoW are on their first mmo...they don't know any better ...
Originally posted by godmonkeyThe truth is Blizzard is the Apple of gaming companies (sorry MS lovers) but its true. Blizzard comes out with polished, play ready games that a wide variety of people can enjoy and they are a quite trustable company. Look at SOE and how EQ2 went with their expansions, Blizzard is just a well rounded company and people enjoy their games that's why it appeals to SO MANY people.
I've often thought that Blizzard was like Apple in that their design philosophy is to make things accessible and user-oriented. It's no surprise, because they do a lot of their programming on Macs, and their games are always released for both Macs and PCs simultaneously. Still, the big difference between Apple and Blizzard is the mass appeal -- Apple (apart from iPods) has remained a niche computer for the most part despite the recent gains in market share, whereas Blizzard blows the doors off in terms of sales. So I would say the philosophy is similar to Apple's, but the product penetration is pretty different.
There's no use arguing about the success that Blizzard has had. If you had 7 million or however many people shelling out $15 a month i think you would start to worry a little less about doing exactly what the community thinks that they want because you're OBVIOUSLY doing something right. Plus, most of the people who play WoW are on their first mmo...they don't know any better ...
Well, not exactly. I know a lot of people who play WoW who are vets of other MMOs actually. When I first started, I found my way into a guild ful of ex-UO players. When I rejoined and moved to a different server I found a guild mostly comprised of former FFXI players. When I was playing EVE, we had a few people in our corp who split time between EVE and WoW and we had one very advanced player actually quit EVE to spend more time playing WoW. It's a stereotype that WoW is the game that only newbie MMO players play or like, but I've met too many people who really disprove that stereotype (apart from myself).
WoW isn't innovative at all in the technological sense,
It bloody well is.
The (working) Auction house. -> Done before FF11 (and probably before that)
The show item panel in the trade menu. -> Also done before, I think even EQ1 showed you the items being traded.
The GUI options. -> Allow for mods that make the game easier for players who don't want to learn to play better, not to mention other MMOs get stuff like this inform of 3rd party addons.
The mod support. -> Yeah...as discussed, mods ruin the game.
The AI. -> Sucks, why would a tiger quit chasing you after 20 feet when you just put a few arrows in his hide?
The comedy names. -> This one almost makes me wonder if this whole post was sarcastic..is it?
The seamless worlds/on the fly loading. -> Also been done before.
The linking of items into the chat channel. -> Save you all of 3 seconds to type the items description.
The wardrobe function where you can see what an item will look like on you by simply clicking a hyper link. -> I seem to recall a webcomic making fun of this, because dev's worked on this INSTEAD OF GETTING THE EXPANSION OUT SOONER.
Bind on pick up. -> Why should anything adhere perm. to your body/soul? Sure they want to cut back ebayers but that hardly stopped people from doing that, when I get new equipment I want to be able to sell my old equipment for more than 5 damn copper.
The warriors rage. -> Woohoo Warriors now have a mana bar that limits them from using skills rather than cool down timers....
The rogues stealth. -> Done before.
The symbols for marking enemies. -> So basically if I drew a picture of a stickfigure being stabbed by knives, it isn't in other games so therefor its an improvement?
The scaleability of the GFX engine. -> Fantastic for Blizzard from a marketing prospective, the GFX engine in general stunk for high-end pc users though.
Bosses with drops only placed in instances. -> Done soooo many times before, not to mention the drop rate sucks, if a boss is wearing the cape you want on its model, it better drop 100% of the time.
The factional language filter. -> Pretty much so little kids were only limited to cursing out members of their own faction. Seriously you want to say something in private use the group chat or whispers.
I made my arguments. WoW is in no way a technological marvel. Not to mention it's way too easy to level up to max level.
Dismissing technical innovations because they are not to your personal taste, doesn't in anyway lessen the their technical innovation.
So you hate WoW, big deal. It's still a technical marvel. It still has more innovation than any other MMO to date.
Rogues stealth bar was done before?
Nonsense. (lol @ whoever said the rogues in UO had one).
Auction house in FF11? Please note I mentioned working. The technical innovation of WoW's Auction house, is not that it is in the game, it is that it works and is easy to use. Making a broken one doesn't count.
The Graphics are fully functional for high end users. What are you talking about?
EQ1 panel may show the items being traded, but it does not allow you to buff someone elses item with them giving to you. How many times did someone agree to buff your item and then not return it.
Seamless worlds may have been done before, but not on the scale or with the smoothness of WoW. It has technically innovated the process.
Essentially, I was asked for technical innovations. For evidence of programming wizardry....... it is there.
Sure you can poo poo it all. Say how you hate it or how it ruins the game for you. That boils down to personal taste, but to deny it's existance is simply foolish.
I haven't seen such an innovative and well programmed piece of software for many years.
P.S. for group chat, I think Matrix online is the techonolgy leader with it's AIM interface.
"Dismissing technical innovations because they are not to your personal taste, doesn't in anyway lessen the their technical innovation.
So you hate WoW, big deal. It's still a technical marvel. It still has more innovation than any other MMO to date. "
He gave reasons, not "personal taste." you're the one calling it a "technical marvel" without backing yourself up, and I'm completely lost as to how you can justify using such a strong word as "marvel" referring to it's technical achievements.
Auction house works really well but I for some reason I prefer /ooc in EQ1 East Commons for trade. It it was a social entity that brought your avatars together in a way that actually had some character and life to it. Let me just jump the gun on what I always come back to about WoW:
Kids (or young adults, I guess) who've only played WoW don't realize how lifeless it is compared to it's predecessors. Grinding for hours may have been monotonous, but damnit you knew every nuance of your character by the time you hit max level and along the way you got to really know the people you worked with to get there.
In WoW you just burn through the quests with little to no difficulty (if it's hard for you then you're doing something wrong, please, end of story) and most people keep to themselves when you actually have to group. Grouping is strangely clinical and forced most of the time, I can't count how many times I've grouped with people to get a quest done and they hardly say more than one or two words.
Get to the end of the game to find out you're going to be even farther removed from any sense of immersion because if you're not on f***ing ventrilo then you don't know what's going on. Please, for the love of god people learn how to express yourself with the keyboard, it's a MMORPG, even if you're not into roleplaying the least you can do is spare me from the intrusion of my gaming with your whiney, passive aggressive, unexpressive voice.
Sorry for the slightly offtopic rant. I never participate in these forums but I've got a lot to say about WoW and it's alleged glory. I've been playing MMOs since The Realm Online. I know that's not as long as the folks older than me who were into MUDs and such.. Anyway, WoW has it's strong points but if I had to choose one word to sum up its flaws, it would definitely be: soulless. That game is a cleverly designed compilation of successes, but it hasn't got a soul! Please, light me up.
Innovation wise WoW has done a few but not really major. -Mods(credit to this) -Warrior rage and Rogue energy (though this is in a way just a fancy mana bar) -Wardrobe feature(I think) -Symbols for marking enemy is a good idea -You could also mention druids shapeshifting -battlegrounds, yes they were done in DAoC but WoW's is very different to them. -Mail system?
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The GUI options. -> Agreed WoW is actually quite nice for interface options. The AI. -> not sure about this one, mobs running only so far I'm not sure if that is exclusive to WoW. The comedy names. -> innovation? The seamless worlds/on the fly loading. -> In Asheron's Call 2, DAoC? The linking of items into the chat channel. -> This was in EQ Bind on pick up. -> think you mean bind on equip. EQ had nodrop items which were bind on pick up. The rogues stealth. -> I think you mean energy bar The scaleability of the GFX engine. -> Have this in any mmorpg? clipplane? The factional language filter. -> This was also in DAoC
"Dismissing technical innovations because they are not to your personal taste, doesn't in anyway lessen the their technical innovation. So you hate WoW, big deal. It's still a technical marvel. It still has more innovation than any other MMO to date. "
He gave reasons, not "personal taste." you're the one calling it a "technical marvel" without backing yourself up, and I'm completely lost as to how you can justify using such a strong word as "marvel" referring to it's technical achievements.
Auction house works really well but I for some reason I prefer /ooc in EQ1 East Commons for trade. It it was a social entity that brought your avatars together in a way that actually had some character and life to it. Let me just jump the gun on what I always come back to about WoW:
Kids (or young adults, I guess) who've only played WoW don't realize how lifeless it is compared to it's predecessors. Grinding for hours may have been monotonous, but damnit you knew every nuance of your character by the time you hit max level and along the way you got to really know the people you worked with to get there.
In WoW you just burn through the quests with little to no difficulty (if it's hard for you then you're doing something wrong, please, end of story) and most people keep to themselves when you actually have to group. Grouping is strangely clinical and forced most of the time, I can't count how many times I've grouped with people to get a quest done and they hardly say more than one or two words.
Get to the end of the game to find out you're going to be even farther removed from any sense of immersion because if you're not on f***ing ventrilo then you don't know what's going on. Please, for the love of god people learn how to express yourself with the keyboard, it's a MMORPG, even if you're not into roleplaying the least you can do is spare me from the intrusion of my gaming with your whiney, passive aggressive, unexpressive voice.
Sorry for the slightly offtopic rant. I never participate in these forums but I've got a lot to say about WoW and it's alleged glory. I've been playing MMOs since The Realm Online. I know that's not as long as the folks older than me who were into MUDs and such.. Anyway, WoW has it's strong points but if I had to choose one word to sum up its flaws, it would definitely be: soulless. That game is a cleverly designed compilation of successes, but it hasn't got a soul! Please, light me up.
You must be the poster boy for the "elitist" category. LOL
see i dont hate WoW, but its by no means of the imagination the "Best".
Plain and simple, WoW IS the pinnacle of current gaming. Unfortunatly it's not reaching towards the goal of "Next Gen". Because of this, in another 2 years or so, when next gen MMO's pick up, WoW will be left behind because it has situated itself so firmly at the top.
The only way it would be able to move with the industry is in a few years to completely revamp the system like the NGE of SWG. And for anyone whos in the "know" knows how that went for $OE. You have to stick with what you're good at, and stick with what you know, but unfortunatly, everything will be replaced with something bigger, better, and newer.
"And after blizzard takes over the world, they are gonna gather a bunch of lemmings, sit on their fat asses near a cliff, and watch the little fuzzy bastards suicide dive into the ground below. . . . . all just for their own entertainment."
I liked most of WoW, however there were some things that really bugged me. The basic economy versus keeping up with the cost of equipment/skills, to me was fustrating. You have to bust butt to earn gold, then it disapears at leveling time just paying for overpriced skills/equipment. Yes, you can sell stuff like spider silks, cloth, wool, etc. to get money to pay for them, but then you spend more time farming rather than having fun.
Another thing that felt more of a punishment to me than anything else was the movement speed of the characters. Sure they have mounts, but you have to wait forever to get them. Blizzard should lower the skill requirements for this some, or at least make the characters move a bit faster. Coming from a game like CoV/CoH, where movement powers were excellent, WoW seemed so figgin’ slow.
The main thing that made me quit the game though was the uber raid/instance gear. I like the instance dungeon stuff, but to be competitive in the high end game (more PvP), it seemed to me you have to camp the instant/elite dungeons, and then there was always some dispute on who gets the gear. It got old to me after a while.
These are just a few things I didn’t like about the game. Again, I think the game is awesome, but it’s not for everybody.
EDIT: Oh, I for got to mention the Chuck Norris jokes. That got feakin’ OLD after about the first two weeks. Are the kiddies still flooding the chat with Chuck Norris jokes?
well i don't exactly "Hate" the game but i won't play it at all and this has been about a year ago. The reason i won't play it is cuz i want a game that will last me longer then a month. I for one like spending a year at 10 hours a day to get to or close to end game. Spending a month to get to end game and get raid gear is inanely newbish. So the challenge is not there but like i said i haven't played it in about a year. played it for 3 months from when it first realsed, i even had it preordered
just so u all know...i hate wow with a fiery passion. and to the guy that said fantasy games arent supposed to look good. i just wanna ask if ur on stupid pills. look at guild wars it looks really nice. alot nicer than wow. look at eve, MU online, sword of the new world(korea coming to america this summer) those all look extremely nice.
plus wow is full of jack assess who live in their moms basment and masturbate to kiddy porn. id rather not go onto wow and pay 15 bucks a month when i could play a better game like guild wars(their women look better). and play for free!
then theres people selling ingame items for real money?! why the hell would you do that. its just a game. its not worth spending 10-100bucks for. then you could be getting jipped. they might steal your credit card account , and other complications can occur.
though the worlds are seemless... so are the worlds for alot of other games.. i.e. guild wars MU online etc.
imo world of warcraft is the worst thing since contra(ps2). and yes graphics, in alot of ways, do make the game. unless the game is extremely good. and ppl in guild wars dance better:) specially the rangers..they brake dance. wow toons...look like midgets tryin to do the cha cha slide.
wow is the worst game to hit shelves...no i take that back its not ...run scape is way worse...i should start a thread about why we hate runescape...(but u can make a really good runescape char and sell it on wow, guildwars, mu, snw, etc for lots of in game gold:) )
so...wow sucks..
id rather spend 50 bucks on a game once. not spend 50 bucks then 15 bucks for the rest of my life...every month..thats stupid.
That all too many people are suffering from "WoW syndrome". Which can be VERY annoying for those who doesn't.
In the long run, if you don't play WoW, you WILL hate it because people are so retardely addicted to it. It's a nightmare you cannot escape.
I don't like the game itself because it's just a watered down copy of EQ. And now when WAR online comes out it will be shown how the game should have looked like from the beginning. The game has no variety or challenge to me.
$OE lies list http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0 " And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
I hate WoW... ... because it generates 10-page threads on why people hate it....
Lol very true! And that it generates 10-page threads on EVERY other forum how theese games COPY WoW.
Gosh I'm getting really sick of "WoW syndrome" nowadays.
$OE lies list http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0 " And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
I guessing that most of the people on this that bitch about the WoW community being addicted to the game wouldn't remember when Everquest was the big MMO of the year.
You people seriously make yourselves look like idiots.
Every time a big game comes around, someone has got to hate it just because everyone else likes it. That's really childish.
Can you people grow up and learn that WoW is a game? Maybe you can realize that some of you trip over the popularity of a GAME?
What I think is even worse when people desperately grasp for rational reasons to hate WoW, and most of the time, none of the people can actually think of good reasons. Not to mention a reason that is of their own.
I guessing that most of the people on this that bitch about the WoW community being addicted to the game wouldn't remember when Everquest was the big MMO of the year.
You people seriously make yourselves look like idiots.
Every time a big game comes around, someone has got to hate it just because everyone else likes it. That's really childish.
Can you people grow up and learn that WoW is a game? Maybe you can realize that some of you trip over the popularity of a GAME?
What I think is even worse when people desperately grasp for rational reasons to hate WoW, and most of the time, none of the people can actually think of good reasons. Not to mention a reason that is of their own.
Uh-oh! maturity police has arrived! Hide your weed!
It's funny how things tend to be "more than just a game" when everywhere you look, everywhere you turn, you have to face it. It's funny how frustrating something gets when you go to a place where you expect nothing but what should be the obvious and the very thing you were running from hits once again, making you knee deep in it. And I also think it's funny how something so generic turns out so big in so many people's opinions thus the surroundings seem to fade for them more and more. Yes, a game for you, a pess for us, thank you, now may I have my weed back?
$OE lies list http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0 " And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
I guessing that most of the people on this that bitch about the WoW community being addicted to the game wouldn't remember when Everquest was the big MMO of the year.
You people seriously make yourselves look like idiots.
Every time a big game comes around, someone has got to hate it just because everyone else likes it. That's really childish.
Can you people grow up and learn that WoW is a game? Maybe you can realize that some of you trip over the popularity of a GAME?
What I think is even worse when people desperately grasp for rational reasons to hate WoW, and most of the time, none of the people can actually think of good reasons. Not to mention a reason that is of their own.
Well hello there Mr. Trolly Troll, from Troll Trollville! Pleasure to me you! Um, did you read any of the posts on this thread before writing your stellar insite?
This poor people just try to be diffrent from other , and hate the stuff that so much people like.
WoW ist not that bad as they claim, they are much more worse Games out there.
Don't you get it? To a start I was fine with it, I just didn't like it. But now it's gone rediculously far and it's so hyped and spread everywhere I'm just getting so freaking sick of it. Like listening to radio all day long and then there's always a song that plays each and every second for years and years and years. After a while you go insane. Simple put.
$OE lies list http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0 " And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
Everyone has an opinion and it needs to be taken as is, we can't change the way people think about this and that. It doesn't bother me that there are people who think this game sucks, what bothers me is that there are people that have never played it on the blizz servers and judge it, that's all.
I guessing that most of the people on this that bitch about the WoW community being addicted to the game wouldn't remember when Everquest was the big MMO of the year.
You people seriously make yourselves look like idiots.
Every time a big game comes around, someone has got to hate it just because everyone else likes it. That's really childish.
Can you people grow up and learn that WoW is a game? Maybe you can realize that some of you trip over the popularity of a GAME?
What I think is even worse when people desperately grasp for rational reasons to hate WoW, and most of the time, none of the people can actually think of good reasons. Not to mention a reason that is of their own.
Well hello there Mr. Trolly Troll, from Troll Trollville! Pleasure to me you! Um, did you read any of the posts on this thread before writing your stellar insite?
Pfft, hell with that.
I'm not going to read 10 pages of mostly bullshit, when I can get the point of where this thread is going in about 2 or 3 pages.
I guessing that most of the people on this that bitch about the WoW community being addicted to the game wouldn't remember when Everquest was the big MMO of the year.
You people seriously make yourselves look like idiots.
Every time a big game comes around, someone has got to hate it just because everyone else likes it. That's really childish.
Can you people grow up and learn that WoW is a game? Maybe you can realize that some of you trip over the popularity of a GAME?
What I think is even worse when people desperately grasp for rational reasons to hate WoW, and most of the time, none of the people can actually think of good reasons. Not to mention a reason that is of their own.
Uh-oh! maturity police has arrived! Hide your weed!
It's funny how things tend to be "more than just a game" when everywhere you look, everywhere you turn, you have to face it. It's funny how frustrating something gets when you go to a place where you expect nothing but what should be the obvious and the very thing you were running from hits once again, making you knee deep in it. And I also think it's funny how something so generic turns out so big in so many people's opinions thus the surroundings seem to fade for them more and more. Yes, a game for you, a pess for us, thank you, now may I have my weed back?
By the way you put this, I'm going to assume you're saying that WoW is more than a game to some people. I seriously think those people need to find something more in life if they consider WoW more than a game.
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Lol you people keep saying this game will do that and that game will do this. When all these so called games that are going to put wow to shame come out, what do they actually do?? They fail to be the wow killer that you keep predicting.
Darkfall been in prduction how long now? ever going to be released? You say Granadoa espando already has put wow to shame hundred times over. where has it put it to shame?? has it been relased? any subscribers yet?
Where do you even get your facts from that any of the above games has or are gouing to put wow to shame? Vnaguard forums were full of this ignorant rubbish for months, when relased nothing but pure flaming there about it.
Thats the point with you Wow haters, you make ssumptions without knowing any facts, please keep jumping from game to game!!.
I played WoW 1-60 with 1 to at least 1-45 in every other class (save for paladin, what a crappy class). I did all this over a year to when the expansion released and quit the game as well. WoW offers less than Everquest 1 did. Granado Espada has already been out in Korea for quite some time now and I have been playing the US beta. What it offers is a beautiful music track and, I can't stress this enough, a BRAND NEW element to the MMORPG genre (You control three players at once rather than one). What also helps in keeping this game from a simple grind/quest fest is you don't just take on one monster at a time but rather anywhere from 10-30 (possibly more) at one single time.
Darkfall on the other hand is pushing the boundry even further with naval battles, manual aiming, non gear oriented, dynamic monsters spawns, physics, weather that actually does something, and the list goes on. Sure it has been in development for 4-5+ years but I'd rather have a working game at release that meets my expectations rather than some get rich quick by copying whats already out there and tailoring it to the masses marketing ploy.
I have plenty of "facts", if you'd like more just ask/pm.
P.S. I find Vanguard to be an EQ clone too, so don't think I'm backing that up while bashing something so similar.
Also, just because game 1 doesn't have as many subscribers as game 2 doesn't mean game 1 isn't a better game.
a) endgame is a joke, raid raid raid, repeat repeat repeat
b) gameplay is very linear, dull and repetitive
c) lack of classes and class variety
d) the pvp is very restrictive, pointless and feels like a grind
e) item & level > skill
f) the graphics are poor, and I don't really enjoy cartoons (not a deciding factor)
g) crafting lacks depth
h) no FFA server
i) poor community (on the pvp servers at least)
j) too easy, no death penalty, no consequences for your actions bar a 30 second inconvenience
k) no housing, or player made structures
l) zones ruin immersion are an annoyance
m) instances ruin immersion and hurt pvp (less conflict)
That's a few I can thing of atm.
There's no use arguing about the success that Blizzard has had. If you had 7 million or however many people shelling out $15 a month i think you would start to worry a little less about doing exactly what the community thinks that they want because you're OBVIOUSLY doing something right. Plus, most of the people who play WoW are on their first mmo...they don't know any better ...
It bloody well is.
The (working) Auction house. -> Done before FF11 (and probably before that)
The show item panel in the trade menu. -> Also done before, I think even EQ1 showed you the items being traded.
The GUI options. -> Allow for mods that make the game easier for players who don't want to learn to play better, not to mention other MMOs get stuff like this inform of 3rd party addons.
The mod support. -> Yeah...as discussed, mods ruin the game.
The AI. -> Sucks, why would a tiger quit chasing you after 20 feet when you just put a few arrows in his hide?
The comedy names. -> This one almost makes me wonder if this whole post was sarcastic..is it?
The seamless worlds/on the fly loading. -> Also been done before.
The linking of items into the chat channel. -> Save you all of 3 seconds to type the items description.
The wardrobe function where you can see what an item will look like on you by simply clicking a hyper link. -> I seem to recall a webcomic making fun of this, because dev's worked on this INSTEAD OF GETTING THE EXPANSION OUT SOONER.
Bind on pick up. -> Why should anything adhere perm. to your body/soul? Sure they want to cut back ebayers but that hardly stopped people from doing that, when I get new equipment I want to be able to sell my old equipment for more than 5 damn copper.
The warriors rage. -> Woohoo Warriors now have a mana bar that limits them from using skills rather than cool down timers....
The rogues stealth. -> Done before.
The symbols for marking enemies. -> So basically if I drew a picture of a stickfigure being stabbed by knives, it isn't in other games so therefor its an improvement?
The scaleability of the GFX engine. -> Fantastic for Blizzard from a marketing prospective, the GFX engine in general stunk for high-end pc users though.
Bosses with drops only placed in instances. -> Done soooo many times before, not to mention the drop rate sucks, if a boss is wearing the cape you want on its model, it better drop 100% of the time.
The factional language filter. -> Pretty much so little kids were only limited to cursing out members of their own faction. Seriously you want to say something in private use the group chat or whispers.
I made my arguments. WoW is in no way a technological marvel. Not to mention it's way too easy to level up to max level.
Dismissing technical innovations because they are not to your personal taste, doesn't in anyway lessen the their technical innovation.
So you hate WoW, big deal. It's still a technical marvel. It still has more innovation than any other MMO to date.
Rogues stealth bar was done before?
Nonsense. (lol @ whoever said the rogues in UO had one).
Auction house in FF11? Please note I mentioned working. The technical innovation of WoW's Auction house, is not that it is in the game, it is that it works and is easy to use. Making a broken one doesn't count.
The Graphics are fully functional for high end users. What are you talking about?
EQ1 panel may show the items being traded, but it does not allow you to buff someone elses item with them giving to you. How many times did someone agree to buff your item and then not return it.
Seamless worlds may have been done before, but not on the scale or with the smoothness of WoW. It has technically innovated the process.
Essentially, I was asked for technical innovations. For evidence of programming wizardry....... it is there.
Sure you can poo poo it all. Say how you hate it or how it ruins the game for you. That boils down to personal taste, but to deny it's existance is simply foolish.
I haven't seen such an innovative and well programmed piece of software for many years.
P.S. for group chat, I think Matrix online is the techonolgy leader with it's AIM interface.
"Dismissing technical innovations because they are not to your personal taste, doesn't in anyway lessen the their technical innovation.
So you hate WoW, big deal. It's still a technical marvel. It still has more innovation than any other MMO to date. "
He gave reasons, not "personal taste." you're the one calling it a "technical marvel" without backing yourself up, and I'm completely lost as to how you can justify using such a strong word as "marvel" referring to it's technical achievements.Auction house works really well but I for some reason I prefer /ooc in EQ1 East Commons for trade. It it was a social entity that brought your avatars together in a way that actually had some character and life to it. Let me just jump the gun on what I always come back to about WoW:
Kids (or young adults, I guess) who've only played WoW don't realize how lifeless it is compared to it's predecessors. Grinding for hours may have been monotonous, but damnit you knew every nuance of your character by the time you hit max level and along the way you got to really know the people you worked with to get there.
In WoW you just burn through the quests with little to no difficulty (if it's hard for you then you're doing something wrong, please, end of story) and most people keep to themselves when you actually have to group. Grouping is strangely clinical and forced most of the time, I can't count how many times I've grouped with people to get a quest done and they hardly say more than one or two words.
Get to the end of the game to find out you're going to be even farther removed from any sense of immersion because if you're not on f***ing ventrilo then you don't know what's going on. Please, for the love of god people learn how to express yourself with the keyboard, it's a MMORPG, even if you're not into roleplaying the least you can do is spare me from the intrusion of my gaming with your whiney, passive aggressive, unexpressive voice.
Sorry for the slightly offtopic rant. I never participate in these forums but I've got a lot to say about WoW and it's alleged glory. I've been playing MMOs since The Realm Online. I know that's not as long as the folks older than me who were into MUDs and such.. Anyway, WoW has it's strong points but if I had to choose one word to sum up its flaws, it would definitely be: soulless. That game is a cleverly designed compilation of successes, but it hasn't got a soul! Please, light me up.
Innovation wise WoW has done a few but not really major.
-Mods(credit to this)
-Warrior rage and Rogue energy (though this is in a way just a fancy mana bar)
-Wardrobe feature(I think)
-Symbols for marking enemy is a good idea
-You could also mention druids shapeshifting
-battlegrounds, yes they were done in DAoC but WoW's is very different to them.
-Mail system?
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The GUI options. -> Agreed WoW is actually quite nice for interface options.
The AI. -> not sure about this one, mobs running only so far I'm not sure if that is exclusive to WoW.
The comedy names. -> innovation?
The seamless worlds/on the fly loading. -> In Asheron's Call 2, DAoC?
The linking of items into the chat channel. -> This was in EQ
Bind on pick up. -> think you mean bind on equip. EQ had nodrop items which were bind on pick up.
The rogues stealth. -> I think you mean energy bar
The scaleability of the GFX engine. -> Have this in any mmorpg? clipplane?
The factional language filter. -> This was also in DAoC
You must be the poster boy for the "elitist" category. LOL
see i dont hate WoW, but its by no means of the imagination the "Best".
Plain and simple, WoW IS the pinnacle of current gaming. Unfortunatly it's not reaching towards the goal of "Next Gen". Because of this, in another 2 years or so, when next gen MMO's pick up, WoW will be left behind because it has situated itself so firmly at the top.
The only way it would be able to move with the industry is in a few years to completely revamp the system like the NGE of SWG. And for anyone whos in the "know" knows how that went for $OE. You have to stick with what you're good at, and stick with what you know, but unfortunatly, everything will be replaced with something bigger, better, and newer.
"And after blizzard takes over the world, they are gonna gather a bunch of lemmings, sit on their fat asses near a cliff, and watch the little fuzzy bastards suicide dive into the ground below. . . . . all just for their own entertainment."
I liked most of WoW, however there were some things that really bugged me. The basic economy versus keeping up with the cost of equipment/skills, to me was fustrating. You have to bust butt to earn gold, then it disapears at leveling time just paying for overpriced skills/equipment. Yes, you can sell stuff like spider silks, cloth, wool, etc. to get money to pay for them, but then you spend more time farming rather than having fun.
Another thing that felt more of a punishment to me than anything else was the movement speed of the characters. Sure they have mounts, but you have to wait forever to get them. Blizzard should lower the skill requirements for this some, or at least make the characters move a bit faster. Coming from a game like CoV/CoH, where movement powers were excellent, WoW seemed so figgin’ slow.
The main thing that made me quit the game though was the uber raid/instance gear. I like the instance dungeon stuff, but to be competitive in the high end game (more PvP), it seemed to me you have to camp the instant/elite dungeons, and then there was always some dispute on who gets the gear. It got old to me after a while.
These are just a few things I didn’t like about the game. Again, I think the game is awesome, but it’s not for everybody.
EDIT: Oh, I for got to mention the Chuck Norris jokes. That got feakin’ OLD after about the first two weeks. Are the kiddies still flooding the chat with Chuck Norris jokes?
I hate WoW...
... because it generates 10-page threads on why people hate it....
well i don't exactly "Hate" the game but i won't play it at all and this has been about a year ago. The reason i won't play it is cuz i want a game that will last me longer then a month. I for one like spending a year at 10 hours a day to get to or close to end game. Spending a month to get to end game and get raid gear is inanely newbish. So the challenge is not there but like i said i haven't played it in about a year. played it for 3 months from when it first realsed, i even had it preordered
just so u all know...i hate wow with a fiery passion. and to the guy that said fantasy games arent supposed to look good. i just wanna ask if ur on stupid pills. look at guild wars it looks really nice. alot nicer than wow. look at eve, MU online, sword of the new world(korea coming to america this summer) those all look extremely nice.
plus wow is full of jack assess who live in their moms basment and masturbate to kiddy porn. id rather not go onto wow and pay 15 bucks a month when i could play a better game like guild wars(their women look better). and play for free!
then theres people selling ingame items for real money?! why the hell would you do that. its just a game. its not worth spending 10-100bucks for. then you could be getting jipped. they might steal your credit card account , and other complications can occur.
though the worlds are seemless... so are the worlds for alot of other games.. i.e. guild wars MU online etc.
imo world of warcraft is the worst thing since contra(ps2). and yes graphics, in alot of ways, do make the game. unless the game is extremely good. and ppl in guild wars dance better:) specially the rangers..they brake dance. wow toons...look like midgets tryin to do the cha cha slide.
wow is the worst game to hit shelves...no i take that back its not ...run scape is way worse...i should start a thread about why we hate runescape...(but u can make a really good runescape char and sell it on wow, guildwars, mu, snw, etc for lots of in game gold:) )
so...wow sucks..
id rather spend 50 bucks on a game once. not spend 50 bucks then 15 bucks for the rest of my life...every month..thats stupid.
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Heh, no, nevermind, I just /ignore them and continue on.
That all too many people are suffering from "WoW syndrome". Which can be VERY annoying for those who doesn't.
In the long run, if you don't play WoW, you WILL hate it because people are so retardely addicted to it. It's a nightmare you cannot escape.
I don't like the game itself because it's just a watered down copy of EQ. And now when WAR online comes out it will be shown how the game should have looked like from the beginning. The game has no variety or challenge to me.
$OE lies list
http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
Gosh I'm getting really sick of "WoW syndrome" nowadays.
$OE lies list
http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
You people seriously make yourselves look like idiots.
Every time a big game comes around, someone has got to hate it just because everyone else likes it. That's really childish.
Can you people grow up and learn that WoW is a game? Maybe you can realize that some of you trip over the popularity of a GAME?
What I think is even worse when people desperately grasp for rational reasons to hate WoW, and most of the time, none of the people can actually think of good reasons. Not to mention a reason that is of their own.
Groovy.
It's funny how things tend to be "more than just a game" when everywhere you look, everywhere you turn, you have to face it. It's funny how frustrating something gets when you go to a place where you expect nothing but what should be the obvious and the very thing you were running from hits once again, making you knee deep in it. And I also think it's funny how something so generic turns out so big in so many people's opinions thus the surroundings seem to fade for them more and more. Yes, a game for you, a pess for us, thank you, now may I have my weed back?
$OE lies list
http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
This poor people just try to be diffrent from other , and hate the stuff that so much people like.
WoW ist not that bad as they claim, they are much more worse Games out there.
$OE lies list
http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
We Need To Take The Power Back!
Pfft, hell with that.
I'm not going to read 10 pages of mostly bullshit, when I can get the point of where this thread is going in about 2 or 3 pages.
Groovy.
It's funny how things tend to be "more than just a game" when everywhere you look, everywhere you turn, you have to face it. It's funny how frustrating something gets when you go to a place where you expect nothing but what should be the obvious and the very thing you were running from hits once again, making you knee deep in it. And I also think it's funny how something so generic turns out so big in so many people's opinions thus the surroundings seem to fade for them more and more. Yes, a game for you, a pess for us, thank you, now may I have my weed back?
By the way you put this, I'm going to assume you're saying that WoW is more than a game to some people. I seriously think those people need to find something more in life if they consider WoW more than a game.
Groovy.