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So much for Blixtev being the "best we could have" (read Freeman)
Wildcat84
Member Posts: 2,304
Pub 33, AKA Ch 5 goes live tomorrow with more issues RAISED by it than resolved!
1. Increased imbalance, species and professions that can mount more socketable stuff are better than those who can't.
2. Munitions get nothing. Crafted weapons are no better than they were. All this revamp has done is make it easier for people to cap out the useless craftables that existed before it.
3. Entertainers are buffbots that can't macro. Or the worst combat profession in game because they are the only one that is melee specific AND lack a self heal. Woot, just what everyone wanted.
4. GCW base clubbing nerfed but the ability to get GCW by casual play not addressed.
Yeah, Blixtev is great. NOT. He's just as bad as Heliass.
This publish is so bad it will cause the last and fatal population purge
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But he did respond to someone who quoted Jeff Freeman's post on the OBoard. A new era of communication! All the current players have to do is heap meaningless praise on the devs and they will make meaningless posts thanking them and basking in it!
That they stopped responding to questions about the publish as soon as it hit test, was a good enough sign that nothing had changed. If the current players were smart, they'd start sending SOE "holomoney" as payment for their subscription fee.
SWG Team Mtg.
lol
And as a chapter 5 gift you get a 1 use campsite..... and hold on to your socks!!!
A painting!!!
Truely, I never saw it coming! :P
Wait for it!
The complaints that is. Not everyone went and tried it on test center but TC monkys who like playing with any piece of poo they can get.
Yeah well mouse moving macros and autokey scripts can be be used to autoBOT alot of things but at least it isn't officaly supported like using an in game macro and hopefully is a banible offence too.
Can't entertainers still "dance" "buff sometimes" and chat? or are those new buffs so distracting and popular that your stuck mostly doing them?
Yeah I remember, although alot of the people still weren't exactly sociable when in cantina's to get rid of the battle fatigue... I did really like the system though, loved the idea of needing to rest between fights or just eventuialy getting too tired of it to keep fighting well. I used to arrive into the cantina's a fair few times with 800 or more battle fatigue
Why use the default UI without a targeting macro? If customising it or adding a targeting macro lets you do both surely its worth doing? (Anyway I can't try that, my account has been canceled for well over a year
Is a cantina with alot of people that don't say anything much better? Althought why am I argueing that? I disliked battle fatigue being removed too
How is that more of an issue than "no such thing as socketable stuff"?
I don't even know what you mean (been a while for me). Was everyone capping out before?
Do you play an entertainer? I'm dubious of those who complain on behalf of others... didn't entertainers want to have important buffs?
The lack of a self-heal... maybe an oversight. Not having it doesn't prevent them adding it, though.
Bases are back?
BlixTev isn't the only one on the team, and mind there are still executives, producers, and so on above him. There will be bugs, there will be prioritizations that you disagree with. Sometimes something you want gets prioritized behind something that is more important but you can't even see. Sometimes the other designers will implement things, too.
What I said was, he cares about the game and he liked the game that you liked. Not that he'd swoop-in and in one publish that was most likely near-complete before he even took over, grant your every wish.
Give the guy a chance. List what's wrong in a helpful sort of way, and post it over there.
What has it been, a week?
Jeff Freeman
Here are the core problems with Pub 33 (I refuse to buy into the chapter numbering scheme):
1. Species/profession socket imbalance will allow those who play professions (or species) that can wear full suits of armor and who can wear all types of clothing will be able to stack an ungodly amount of extra stats (such as another 150+ CON or something like that) while those who can't will be at a serious disadvantage. Commando, already grossly overpowered will be even MORE overpowered by this.
This was brought up and brought up and brought up on the forums and was ignored with no response.
2. Jedi, especially elders are now up shit creek without a paddle due to the fact that robes do not have sockets, have the worst armor rating of any profession (hell, even ents get 4000 innate armor if they go combat spec), and there is only one socket possible (belt) for someone who wears an elder robe. Elder robe just became a decoration. Jedi armor stat clothes cannot be crafted or Re'd. So, once again, those who have worked the hardest (the elders not the NGE era ones) get ignored and beat down some more.
Brought up on forums. No response.
3. Munitions traders (weaponsmiths/armorsmiths) didn't get a single new armor or weapon schematic, can't craft a weapon higher than CL80, and thus can't compete with looted/mustafar/restuss weapons.
Brought up on forums. No response.
4. Loss of non aggro status for crafters and entertainers (who don't take combat)
Ok, since they will have CL90 stats and health, and can wear armor, I can see doing this... But why don't they at least have some sort of basic combat ability (such as one special attack and a self heal)?
Brought up on forums. Response amounted to the CU era response, "hire a bodyguard".
5. The proclamation that this publish has ZERO bugs. Besides being ignorant and misleading (implying that there are no more bugs in the NGE) it was also proven to be untrue. The post was replied to with several reports of major bugs still on TC.
There was absolutely no reason to chuck this publish live with all those issues (and many more) unresolved.
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Give the guy a chance. List what's wrong in a helpful sort of way, and post it over there.
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ROFL ! Good one /cheers !
Uhm...that was a joke, no ? ....
Claude
What ever happened to that Q3PO guy? Why do so many devs vanish in to thin air over at SOE?
Edit --oh and I was right! Let the complaints begin.
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m?topic_id=256985
How is that more of an issue than "no such thing as socketable stuff"?
I don't even know what you mean (been a while for me). Was everyone capping out before?
Do you play an entertainer? I'm dubious of those who complain on behalf of others... didn't entertainers want to have important buffs?
The lack of a self-heal... maybe an oversight. Not having it doesn't prevent them adding it, though.
Bases are back?
BlixTev isn't the only one on the team, and mind there are still executives, producers, and so on above him. There will be bugs, there will be prioritizations that you disagree with. Sometimes something you want gets prioritized behind something that is more important but you can't even see. Sometimes the other designers will implement things, too.
What I said was, he cares about the game and he liked the game that you liked. Not that he'd swoop-in and in one publish that was most likely near-complete before he even took over, grant your every wish.
Give the guy a chance. List what's wrong in a helpful sort of way, and post it over there.
What has it been, a week?
No Jeff it's been over a fucking year or more of people telling the team what is wrong....
Not calling you out on this but come on, how many times should we post whats wrong... how many people do we need to explain this to? There is countless lists, countless information and with some insight of mere logging in to play, one can see whats wrong.
I'm sorry but if he does not know "WHATS WRONG WITH THE GAME" ... then he is not the right person for the job.
I'm using some common sense and just plain logic on this one... so hang with me...
At what point do people stop saying "no" to what people want and start considering what they "do" want.
Camps... yeah camps....lol Give back ranger and now you have a need for the camps...
It's just so sad to see people accept things instead of expecting them anymore.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
In fact after seeing it again , Jeff I hope you take that back.
I mean come on.... thats almost a insult to about fifty thousand people that posted "Whats wrong" with the game...
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
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Can't just login and see what is important to you, though.
But basically isn't your position that no one should play, and those playing should be convinced to quit even if they like it?
Jeff Freeman
Ok, but there's a post listing publish issues, on mmorpg's SWG Vet's Refuge forum, to a former SOE employee...
That's a different approach, but not a better one.
Jeff Freeman
I think i can clear the air...We say Fix the Bugs they say there isnt any..We say specials are broken they say its in the works...We say more armor types they say its on the way.We say game needs new mobs and content they say we are working on it..The we say we like the CURB ideas they say REVAMP the game..We say We hate the CU please dont put this bugged POS out youll lose alot of players they said Working as intended...WE say we Hate the NGE they say Its not going anywere.See the pattern..For 3 years we offered suggestions and some really really good ones and some just your typical waaaaaaaaaahbulance post.But if noone will listen why bother..It takes both parties to have communication if one doesnt listen then you cant fix the problems...
Blix may have been a Precu fan and played if he cant Revamp the whole system again then it will still be unpopulated and bugged..I dont see why the NGE is more balanced or has faster publishes than the last 2 versions.All i know is the last 2 sucked and still no one is listening or playing..So Good luck Mr.Dev i highly doubt he can save it now unless theres a 3rd drastic change or a classic option.The NGE engine itself is the problem its just not that good as it was.I dont understand how if the last 3 versions were better why it cant change or get better.Makes tons o sense to me..But i wouldnt want to be Blix having to work on complete garbage after being a player in the better version..It'd be like Driving a yugo when you were rollin in a porsche..One gets you there in style an class and one wont even start half the time....Wow poor Blix i feel for him to be handed the reins of this trainwreck,
haha
pretty soon that's all that they'll be getting. It amazes me how SWG continues to survive and keep its fanboys after so many disappointing publishes. SOE knows that as long as they keep putting out these half ass publishes and keep dangling the carrot, that it'll keep people paying every month in vain for some sort of playable game. Ever since the NGE all I hear is how much "the game is improving" and that things will turn around after "the next couple of publishes." Well, its been how many years and its the same broken record; just amazing.
pending
haha
pretty soon that's all that they'll be getting. It amazes me how SWG continues to survive and keep its fanboys after so many disappointing publishes. SOE knows that as long as they keep putting out these half ass publishes and keep dangling the carrot, that it'll keep people paying every month in vain for some sort of playable game. Ever since the NGE all I hear is how much "the game is improving" and that things will turn around after "the next couple of publishes." Well, its been how many years and its the same broken record; just amazing.
Hardly addressing any concerns raise by the players about the current publish is a very good indication that Smed's "We need to communicate better" post was nothing more than BS. They actually have posts on the OBoards by players begging other players not to quit over the current publish. Even the players who like the current game know how bad things are. This publish was delayed several times to "get it right" and according to Blixtev, has had more time and effort put into it than any other publish. That is just sad that it turned out as poorly thought out and implemented as it has. If this is the developers' best work, nobody with an intelligence higher than a rock could have hope that things are going to improve.
By now, John's yearly "just give us 6 more months" spiel needs to be recognized as the fine ceremonial SWG tradition that it is, which no one with half a watt should take seriously. Not even Blixtev can make good on any of John's SWG promises, whether they be implied or explicit.
SWG Team Mtg.
This publish was on its way out when Smed said that and when BlixTev became lead designer.
Give him a chance, or don't give him a chance... whatever floats you.
But you have to give him one publish at least, if you're giving a chance at all.
And even then, not blame him for every thing you don't like. It's not all any one person's call. Realize the next publish is likely already planned, too (and if re-planned, it'll be 'cause Smed made them chuck it, not BlixTev).
Or don't. I mean, whatever.
I just thought you'd better off with a lead designer that "gets" pre-CU in a way few other people do...
If not, well, sorry for getting your hopes up.
Don't be too hard on him, though, 'cause he didn't make what he was given.
Oh. Well... bummer. There are only so many of those you get before it starts looking worthwhile to pinch it off and plan the following publish around the fixes.
Is there nothing good in it? Or is the concern that it will never be fixed?
Jeff Freeman