The word "Bible" is considered profanity in LOTR Online's Language Filter. Tolkien is a Christian. O

MadFlavor · March 2007

The word "Bible" is considered profanity in LOTR Online's Language Filter. Tolkien is a Christian. Isn't this rather odd?

AutemOx · March 2007

They filter it because of the hebrew bible and the protestant bible... Stupid jews and reform christians, they are all going to burn in hell!

Catholicism for teh win!

xyklon · March 2007

I don't know about him being a Christian, but its great news any way.

Jetrpg · March 2007

Would not suprize me with the hate in the world today (oddly they are the sme people who preach tolernce .. as long as it is there own brand of tolerence) Ex. H.C. (guess who this is not too hard).

cupertino · March 2007

Religon is the biggest joke on earth after all the only thing that seperates a religion from a cult us a 1000 years.

Banning religous stuff from games is just as proper as banning swear words, it can cause greifing if you see some 1 called "the bible sux" or what ever.

Kyleran · March 2007

Meh...you can turn the filter off if you like.... and you might find other holy books like Koran are also filtered. Some folks don't want their immersion ruined by OOC content/discussion....

and while Tolken may have been a Christian, I don't recall him writing the Bible into the lore.....

ThriceShy · March 2007

They're should be some restrictions of Religion Words on filters. Personally, i'm mormon, and when i played CoV, and when names popped up "AntiChrist, BibleSuxs", you people hating mutiple religions, it made me mad. I think people should have a choice if they can turn it off or on. But, thats where i stand

Suvroc · March 2007

Just out of curiousity why would you want to use the word bible in an MMO?

How exactly did you find out it was in the profanity filter?

Koolaider · March 2007

Originally posted by wormywyrm

They filter it because of the hebrew bible and the protestant bible... Stupid jews and reform christians, they are all going to burn in hell!
Catholicism for teh win!

lol'd

I kind of like their filter...I named my last character Pewpie McPeepants.

Tamalan · March 2007

Odd? Not really, the current chat filter is known to be a little 'over zealous', they are currently still working on improving it. But remember chat filters are not just in place to catch profanity, but also words and phrases that could cause potential problems and insult.

For instance I was unable to create a char with the name Fitzcoraldo, due to the word 'oral' being in the middle of it. Oral is not a profane word in itself, but can be used in a way that might insult others. So allowing specific religous words could cause them to be used in a context that upsets someone of a particular denomination.

MMO's have always steared away from having any religious bias. With a whole world of players from different ethnic, cultural and religous backgrounds the developers are wise not to show favour to any particular sect or belief.

Kaalinn · March 2007

Tolkien was a Professor of Philosophy. While he mightve officially been christian, and while there are some truly christian philosophers, you can assume that he knew 101 ways to disprove any gods existence, aswell as arguments for it. Most likely valid for any religion.

He also put in the foreword of the lord of the rings that he would consider this book to not contain any philosophy or politics at all, and to see it purely as a story, which, with the exception of the races and cultures naturally having something like philosophy and religion, because they'd be badly constructed if they didnt, holds true. If you were to look for Tolkiens philosophy and thoughts on religion you'd have to do so in the works later published by Christopher Tolkien, like the Silmarillion. And in that Tolkiens philosophy mainly turns out to be based on the fact that evil cannot create, but only make replicas of their own evil. Thats proven by how Sauron was weaker with the ring missing, as it was only a part of his essence, but refined and made more powerful by the arts of ringsmithing.

virtuella · March 2007

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/5181/allahkg8.jpg

Allah is vulgar according to Turbine.

Deathstrike2 · March 2007

Originally posted by cupertino

Religon is the biggest joke on earth after all the only thing that seperates a religion from a cult us a 1000 years.

Banning religous stuff from games is just as proper as banning swear words, it can cause greifing if you see some 1 called "the bible sux" or what ever.

Well, that's one opinion.

Honestly, why stop at religon? If they were to ban anything that subject or word that could be used to cause griefing, I suppose they would have to ban almost any discussion. Politics? Banned. Sexuality? Banned. Nationality? Banned. Ethnicity? Banned. See a trend here?

Instead of worrying about filtering conversations, we could all just try to be adults. After all, we have more tools in game to ignore an idiot than we have in real life. Tools like /ignore work wonders. If something is particularly offensive, we have /report.

Personally, I like to think for myself, and I prefer to keep it that way. I don't need nor want a game company to tell me what is and isn't offensive. I'm pretty sure I can figure that out on my own. I don't shut off my brain when I log into a MMO.

fariic1 · March 2007

Go a little further with the evil can only replicate.

Was it Sauron that created the orcs? And didn't the orcs have something to do with the elves? It's been a while since I read Silmarillion, but I thought that the Orchish race were Saurons own twisted corruption of elves. And the Dwarves were created by the beings that the god created, and a true creation not a twisting of an already existing race.

Hope that wasn't to confusing. I guess anyone that read the Silmiarillion knows what I'm talking about and those that don't should read the damn book.

I thought that Tolkien had some background in theology as well as philosophy?

severius · March 2007

Originally posted by Deathstrike2

Originally posted by cupertino

Religon is the biggest joke on earth after all the only thing that seperates a religion from a cult us a 1000 years.

Banning religous stuff from games is just as proper as banning swear words, it can cause greifing if you see some 1 called "the bible sux" or what ever.

Well, that's one opinion.

Honestly, why stop at religon? If they were to ban anything that subject or word that could be used to cause griefing, I suppose they would have to ban almost any discussion. Politics? Banned. Sexuality? Banned. Nationality? Banned. Ethnicity? Banned. See a trend here?

Instead of worrying about filtering conversations, we could all just try to be adults. After all, we have more tools in game to ignore an idiot than we have in real life. Tools like /ignore work wonders. If something is particularly offensive, we have /report.

Personally, I like to think for myself, and I prefer to keep it that way. I don't need nor want a game company to tell me what is and isn't offensive. I'm pretty sure I can figure that out on my own. I don't shut off my brain when I log into a MMO.

It is a damned if you do damned if you don't situation.

As it is a corporation running the game on their servers they have the right to limit whatever they want to. You say "we could all just try to be adults" unfortunately that is not a feasible expectation in any online setting. Not until there is a way to link avatars and accounts directly to one single individual, people will feel safe in the anonymity of the internet and, as a result, go out of their way to make things as miserable as they can for other people.

There is nothing in a filter that prohibits what you think, do you not think you are being a little hypersensitive? not to mention the fact that... OMG... you can disable the filter!!!!! wow!!!! isnt that interesting? Just as you get your panties in a bunch over the fact that there is a filter there are just as many, if not more people that can do the same in the absence of a filter.

gatheris · March 2007

Originally posted by MadFlavor

The word "Bible" is considered profanity in LOTR Online's Language Filter. Tolkien is a Christian. Isn't this rather odd?

good to hear

thanks for informing us

Fifthred · March 2007

I'm not religious so I am greatful that these words are filter. This threads is like making mountians out of mole hills.

w175jab · March 2007

Sweet.

Cerion · March 2007

Originally posted by Kaalinn

Tolkien was a Professor of Philosophy. While he mightve officially been christian, and while there are some truly christian philosophers, you can assume that he knew 101 ways to disprove any gods existence, aswell as arguments for it. Most likely valid for any religion.
He also put in the foreword of the lord of the rings that he would consider this book to not contain any philosophy or politics at all, and to see it purely as a story, which, with the exception of the races and cultures naturally having something like philosophy and religion, because they'd be badly constructed if they didnt, holds true. If you were to look for Tolkiens philosophy and thoughts on religion you'd have to do so in the works later published by Christopher Tolkien, like the Silmarillion. And in that Tolkiens philosophy mainly turns out to be based on the fact that evil cannot create, but only make replicas of their own evil. Thats proven by how Sauron was weaker with the ring missing, as it was only a part of his essence, but refined and made more powerful by the arts of ringsmithing.

I'm not sure where you got the notion that Tolkien was a professor of philosophy. His first appointment at Oxford was a Professorship of Anglo-Saxon. He later changed Professorships to that of English Language and Literature.

cmusgrove · March 2007

J.R. Tolkien was the one that lead CS Lewis to Christ, or converted him to Christianity, if you prefer. Just in case you don't know, CS Lewis is/was a major Christian theologian (also wrote, Chronicles of Naria series).

So yes, J.R. Tolkien was definitely a Christian.

fariic1 · March 2007

Originally posted by Cerion

Originally posted by Kaalinn

Tolkien was a Professor of Philosophy. While he mightve officially been christian, and while there are some truly christian philosophers, you can assume that he knew 101 ways to disprove any gods existence, aswell as arguments for it. Most likely valid for any religion.
He also put in the foreword of the lord of the rings that he would consider this book to not contain any philosophy or politics at all, and to see it purely as a story, which, with the exception of the races and cultures naturally having something like philosophy and religion, because they'd be badly constructed if they didnt, holds true. If you were to look for Tolkiens philosophy and thoughts on religion you'd have to do so in the works later published by Christopher Tolkien, like the Silmarillion. And in that Tolkiens philosophy mainly turns out to be based on the fact that evil cannot create, but only make replicas of their own evil. Thats proven by how Sauron was weaker with the ring missing, as it was only a part of his essence, but refined and made more powerful by the arts of ringsmithing.

I'm not sure where you got the notion that Tolkien was a professor of philosophy. His first appointment at Oxford was a Professorship of Anglo-Saxon. He later changed Professorships to that of English Language and Literature.

There it is. I kept telling myself he was a English and lit. prof. but I kept thinking I was wrong.

Still, I could of swore he had a background in Theology as well.

Deathstrike2 · March 2007

Originally posted by severius

It is a damned if you do damned if you don't situation.

As it is a corporation running the game on their servers they have the right to limit whatever they want to. You say "we could all just try to be adults" unfortunately that is not a feasible expectation in any online setting. Not until there is a way to link avatars and accounts directly to one single individual, people will feel safe in the anonymity of the internet and, as a result, go out of their way to make things as miserable as they can for other people.

There is nothing in a filter that prohibits what you think, do you not think you are being a little hypersensitive? not to mention the fact that... OMG... you can disable the filter!!!!! wow!!!! isnt that interesting? Just as you get your panties in a bunch over the fact that there is a filter there are just as many, if not more people that can do the same in the absence of a filter.

OMG, you said panties.... I'm offended. Whatever will I do?

Actually, I do not believe I'm being hypersensitive at all. There was no real emotion intended in my post, and I couldn't care less one way or the other about whether or not people use filters. My beef is with all the people who claim to be offended by silly things like the word "bible". Are people so weak minded today, that they can actually be bothered by things like this in a videogame? If so, I shutter to think how they handle real issues in their lives.

checkthis500 · March 2007

Tolkien was a Christian, but I don't remember him working for Turbine.

I'm surprised that Bible is considered profanity. Try typing in Quran and Torah and see if those are profanity as well, if not then they should be.

It's a sad sad day when you can't refer to a religious book while you're playing a game.

Cerion · March 2007

Originally posted by fariic1

Originally posted by Cerion

Originally posted by Kaalinn

Tolkien was a Professor of Philosophy. While he mightve officially been christian, and while there are some truly christian philosophers, you can assume that he knew 101 ways to disprove any gods existence, aswell as arguments for it. Most likely valid for any religion.
He also put in the foreword of the lord of the rings that he would consider this book to not contain any philosophy or politics at all, and to see it purely as a story, which, with the exception of the races and cultures naturally having something like philosophy and religion, because they'd be badly constructed if they didnt, holds true. If you were to look for Tolkiens philosophy and thoughts on religion you'd have to do so in the works later published by Christopher Tolkien, like the Silmarillion. And in that Tolkiens philosophy mainly turns out to be based on the fact that evil cannot create, but only make replicas of their own evil. Thats proven by how Sauron was weaker with the ring missing, as it was only a part of his essence, but refined and made more powerful by the arts of ringsmithing.

I'm not sure where you got the notion that Tolkien was a professor of philosophy. His first appointment at Oxford was a Professorship of Anglo-Saxon. He later changed Professorships to that of English Language and Literature.

There it is. I kept telling myself he was a English and lit. prof. but I kept thinking I was wrong.

Still, I could of swore he had a background in Theology as well.

Well, he was a smart man, and well-versed in many areas of study

I think Kaalinn might be confusing Tolkien's honorary Doctorate in Philosophy that he received from University of Liege with his Professorships.

LethalBurst · March 2007

GOOD. Let it stay that way. The LAST thing we need is some idiot talking about bible nonsense in OOC.

AutemOx · March 2007

Originally posted by Koolaider

Originally posted by wormywyrm

They filter it because of the hebrew bible and the protestant bible... Stupid jews and reform christians, they are all going to burn in hell!
Catholicism for teh win!

lol'd

I kind of like their filter...I named my last character Pewpie McPeepants.

I tried the character name Legoolas when I first got into the game, and it seems like the name wasnt immediately filtered

They did message me though about 30 minutes into the game and a GM changed my character's name to Wormelda or something like that (the character was a female hobbit).

It was a while back though so hopefully by now they've set up a name filter that will keep out the alterations of legolas. I dont think they could filter Mr. McPeepants though

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