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What is Iran thinking?
Samuraisword
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Seriously, they are basically saying come attack us.
Parading British hostages on TV with coerced confessions. My blood is boiling.
Please Britain, attack those Aholes and the US will be right there with you. I am sure you can count on the Aussies and some others as well.
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My suggestion, start spamming Iranian Presidents Blog, let him know , we are the people of the world, not just his mind.
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Like someone else said in here, its only a matter of time before we are "forced" to action. A war within a year, highly unlikely. Within five years? Very likely I'd say.
iran knows its number is up it will drag its heals and hold on for as long as possible before giving us our troops back then we will bomb them at the next chance we get. or iran will talk its self into killing our troops and we will flaten tehran.
EDIT: and you know what im more pissed off that we let them even get near our troops in Iraqi waters once they crossed over into iraqi water and made a bee line for our troops we should have sunk there ships I'm fucking mad as hell that we never provided cover for our troops
EDIT 2: someone from our armed forces needs to get fired for this we had more then enough hardware in the area to defend our troops why on earth were they left to this fate
Tin Foil hats dont work.. its all a conspiracy
Iran wants a confrontation.
Iran has nuclear weapon(s).
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Iran doesn't have nukes.
Iran thus kidnaps those sailors, as a means of pressure, because they feel threatened.
The UK is pretty calm, which is awesome.
Iran wants the west to react in a disproportionate way.
People who don't know shit about war want yet another one.
People should research the military strength of Iran before saying stupid stuff.
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Who said Iran has nukes? I dont think anyone really thinks Iran has nukes. They just want to build them in the next few years, and if they got Iraq's WMDs, they wouldnt need to build nukes (and why would Saddam give Iran WMDs... they hated each other!)... they more likely went to Syria if they went anywhere (the theory being that he simply used more gas on the Kurds than he admitted to, which accounts for the discrepancy between what we sold him and what he disarmed). But yes, I agree with your theory. I should just add that it is simply a pathetic means to gain some degree of leverage over the West providing that the UN really does go and vote serious sanctions on them. However, hostage taking isnt a very effective method of applying political leverage because A. Britain realizes it will be in a much worse shape if Iran does get nukes and will probably lose more than 15 people in the process B. Once you kill all the hostages, you have no more leverage C. Once you release the hostages, you have no more leverage. D. You dont really have very much leverage until you prove you'll do something to them, which cycles you into B.
I dont think anything will happen. Eventually they will just release them and we'll move on with our lives. All they are really doing is alienating their international support even further.
I also dont know why people are like "Yeah! Lets bomb the shit out of 'em because they took our guys hostage!" Bombing the shit out of them will probably result in those guys being killed and very little else. The only real military action that needs to be taken against Iran is a strike against their nuclear development sites ala Israel against Iraq back in the day.
Probably the best way to deal with Iran after this crisis resolves is to say "Okay, so you want alternate forms of energy? We'll sell you a ton of windmills, dams, so on and so forth so that you will be able to get cheap energy without having to build nuclear power plants... but if you continue with the nuclear development program, we'll bomb them and impose sanctions on you." That would lend alot of weight to anti-Ayatollah elements in the country, who were gaining momentum until we invaded Iraq, and then who knows? Maybe we'll see a nice revolution and we'll get the Ayatollah's head on a plate.
OK, I'll sum it up for you...Iran is the anvil and Russia and China are the 10-ton hammers!
The US has threatened Russia and China, and the entire world for that matter, and so now it's time to draw the bully into a blind alley and beat the phuck out of him!
Once the war with Iran begins not one drop of oil will leave the middle east...period! Russia, China, and Iran will make sure of this.
Venezuela will stop exporting oil to the US when the US fires it's first bullet at Iran.
Two weeks ago China announced that it will no longer be buying US dollars and that she will now dump all of her dollar holdings...Russia, and later, Japan, will follow suit.
These three things will have a devastating effect on the US economy...the dollar will collapse (at least that's what Russia and China are hoping).
The US will be in a shooting war with Iran in less than two weeks from now...the draft will begin immediately thereafter.
We are on the brink of World War III. Good luck to you all!
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Hope you got your things together. Hope you are quite prepared to die. Looks like we're in for nasty weather. ... There's a bad moon on the rise.
Venezuela cannot stop shipping oil to the United States. That would literally bring their little "socialist experiment" to a grinding halt, and I wouldn't want to be Chavez when he has to tell his poor population that he can't keep them on welfare anymore.
Any war with Iran would not include groundforces. China hasn't got a blue-water navy leaving them powerless outside of their own part of the world. And I think you vastly overestimate Russia's animosity toward the U.S. I doubt Russia is willing to risk war with anyone, let alone the United States.
China depends almost completely on foreign investment and exports to the United States, so any attempt by them to drop the U.S. dollar debt would end up doing even worse damage to their own economy than it would to ours. You're not far off though, China is definitely enemy #1, they just prefer to pick at the U.S. through their vassals Iran and North Korea. Competition 101. China is a rising superpower.
It would take something extreme to require the draft be implemented (like the mainland being invaded). An all volunteer professional army is simply superior to a large untrained nonvolunteer army in the modern world. One U.S. aircraft carrier can totally negate any manpower advantage Iran may have over the U.S. ("bombing into submission" is a literal phrase)
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do you need to be reminded of how the israel-hezbollah conflict started?
Hope you got your things together. Hope you are quite prepared to die. Looks like we're in for nasty weather. ... There's a bad moon on the rise.
Not to mention that since France and Great Britain each have a carrier group in the gulf, and the United States has 2, I fail to see what if anything Iran/Russia/China could possibly do to prevent the flow of oil. It would take massive luck on Iran's part to be able to drive our naval forces from the region. It's called the Sunburn Missile.
Venezuela cannot stop shipping oil to the United States. That would literally bring their little "socialist experiment" to a grinding halt, and I wouldn't want to be Chavez when he has to tell his poor population that he can't keep them on welfare anymore. Venezuela can, and will, sell all of it's oil to China and India.
Any war with Iran would not include groundforces. China hasn't got a blue-water navy leaving them powerless outside of their own part of the world. And I think you vastly overestimate Russia's animosity toward the U.S. I doubt Russia is willing to risk war with anyone, let alone the United States. China doesn't need a "Blue-water" navy...it has a modified version of the Sunburn Missile that is even faster, has a much longer range, and can carry a bigger warhead than the Sunburn can; not to mention the fact that China can, and will, shoot any and all US spy satellites out of space...this, of course, would leave the US military almost totally blind in the region! Russia hates the US...Hello! Remember the Cold War? WTF?! Russia has been repeatedly threatened by the US; besides, It won't be alone in the war with the US.
China depends almost completely on foreign investment and exports to the United States, so any attempt by them to drop the U.S. dollar debt would end up doing even worse damage to their own economy than it would to ours. You're not far off though, China is definitely enemy #1, they just prefer to pick at the U.S. through their vassals Iran and North Korea. Competition 101. China is a rising superpower. The US economy would be hurt far worse by a Chinese trade embargo than the Chinese one would be. But either way China is fully prepared to absorb any damage that might result from such an embargo..if it means that it's sworn enemy is hurt by it. China is dumping it's dollar holdings; it will instead create the worlds largest investment bank!
It would take something extreme to require the draft be implemented (like the mainland being invaded). Lol! How old are you? Remember Vietnam?! An all volunteer professional army is simply superior to a large untrained nonvolunteer army in the modern world. You're right about that. One U.S. aircraft carrier can totally negate any manpower advantage Iran may have over the U.S. ("bombing into submission" is a literal phrase) Please see the "Sunburn" Missile link that I provided above...While you're at it read this article about the Squall torpedo. Iran has many Sunburn Missiles and many Squall Torpedo's. Iran is completely capable of obliterating the entire US fleet in the Persian Gulf...and the British fleet too for that matter!
The US war pigs are on their way to the slaughterhouse, though they know it not.
As soon as nukes came into the picture I think the threat of major war between the major nations is very unlikely. What would America do if they were starving, out of oil and losing everything? They would not sit back and let it happen but imo drag the world into "MAD" MUTUAL ASSURED DESTRUCTION! If I was going to die and I had a button that would kill my killer as well you really think I am not gonna push it? The only way America will ever lose a world war is if a major bio-weopon is used that kills us fast or they use EMP to shut the Nuclear arsenal off and launch their own strike.
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I'm not sure what the Chinese version of the Sunburn is called...I only know that US warships will be sunk with them.
I'm not sure what the Chinese version of the Sunburn is called...I only know that US warships will be sunk with them. Only if they get within range, which will only happen in a U.S. -China confrontation over Taiwan. Outside of that conflict they're useless because China has no way of projecting anti-naval power. Remember, the range is only 100 miles which is nothing. You'd have to bait the U.S. navy into the Persian Gulf or the East China Sea to be able to use them, because both China and Iran have no capability to use them far from their mainland.
The only way the Sunburn Missile could come into play in a conflict with the United States (as far as Iran goes) would be if Iran does a first-strike while the carrier groups are still in the Persian Gulf (which they are, which is quite dangerous).
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I'm not sure what the Chinese version of the Sunburn is called...I only know that US warships will be sunk with them.
Only if they get within range, which will only happen in a U.S. -China confrontation over Taiwan. Outside of that conflict they're useless because China has no way of projecting anti-naval power. Remember, the range is only 100 miles which is nothing. You'd have to bait the U.S. navy into the Persian Gulf or the East China Sea to be able to use them, because both China and Iran have no capability to use them far from their mainland.
The only way the Sunburn Missile could come into play in a conflict with the United States (as far as Iran goes) would be if Iran does a first-strike while the carrier groups are still in the Persian Gulf (which they are, which is quite dangerous).
But the US navy can go nowhere else except for the persian gulf. they could be put to use in the arabian sea, but the distances would be too great to make them effective.
I'm not sure what the Chinese version of the Sunburn is called...I only know that US warships will be sunk with them. Only if they get within range, which will only happen in a U.S. -China confrontation over Taiwan. China will attack Taiwan, it's only a question of when...just before the 2008 Olympics or right after.Outside of that conflict they're useless because China has no way of projecting anti-naval power. Remember, the range is only 100 miles which is nothing. Those anti-ship missiles can be delivered by jet aircraft and by subs...so the actual range of the missiles themselves is not all that important. You'd have to bait the U.S. navy into the Persian Gulf or the East China Sea to be able to use them Did you know that the US congress passed a law that says that it (the US military) must respond to and protect Taiwan in case of an attack by China?, because both China and Iran have no capability to use them far from their mainland. Iran can deliver them in the ways I already mentioned...but it can also sink, quite easily, any ship that tries to leave the Persian Gulf through the Straight of Hormuz, since it's only 38 miles wide. The modified version of the Sunburn has a much greater range...up to 160 miles I think so they can be launched from a safe area well inside of Iran.
The only way the Sunburn Missile could come into play in a conflict with the United States (as far as Iran goes) would be if Iran does a first-strike while the carrier groups are still in the Persian Gulf Iran would never do a first strike...that would trigger the NATO pact. (which they are, which is quite dangerous).
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.