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MMOPRG's Virus attack

Teran1987Teran1987 Member UncommonPosts: 202
Ok, just so everyone's up to date, this morning MMORPG did have 3 virus' that attacked your computer when you visited the home page, and just visited, didn' have to click anything. My computer immediately shut down all IE and killed the virus, dunno bout anyone elses, but the virus was PWS-Lineage, or something close to that and its a keystroke recorder (i.e. it records passwords you type in and sends them to a remote location) the other 2 virus' i only hear about but 1 is a jpg and the 3rd i dunno. If you google PWS-Lienage, or w/e it is, you'll find the files it creates to copy your crap. And i haven't seen it, but if MMORPG has an official statement someoen link it to me plz kthnxbai

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  • DrenethDreneth Member Posts: 697

    A friggin KEYLOGGER??

    Grand...  so at least I know who to sue when I get fired... MMORPG.COM

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  • KnightblastKnightblast Member UncommonPosts: 1,787
    Guys -- noone should ever use MSIE.  I havent used it in years, and no, FFX doesnt have the same issues as MSIE -- at least not to date.
  • DrenethDreneth Member Posts: 697
    Originally posted by Novaseeker

    Guys -- noone should ever use MSIE.  I havent used it in years, and no, FFX doesnt have the same issues as MSIE -- at least not to date.



    That does not negate the responsibility MMORPG.com has to prevent their users from having their PC's infected by a virus they know is there.  They should have taken the site offline.

    If I get fired... I will persue legal action.

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  • KnightblastKnightblast Member UncommonPosts: 1,787
    Originally posted by Dreneth

    Originally posted by Novaseeker

    Guys -- noone should ever use MSIE.  I havent used it in years, and no, FFX doesnt have the same issues as MSIE -- at least not to date.



    That does not negate the responsibility MMORPG.com has to prevent their users from having their PC's infected by a virus they know is there.  They should have taken the site offline.

    If I get fired... I will persue legal action.



    Good luck with that.



    There isnt any legal duty of a free site in any respect, so you're swimming upstream legally (yes, I am a lawyer) -- if you can't prove a duty of care (and there isn't one here), there isn't any hat to hang liability on.
  • 0k210k21 Member Posts: 866
    Originally posted by Novaseeker

    Guys -- noone should ever use MSIE.  I havent used it in years, and no, FFX doesnt have the same issues as MSIE -- at least not to date.
    *snickers* That's why I have never trusted microsoft...... *coughs* In all seriousness though, run your anti-spyware asap, if MMORPG.com don't know what's happening but it is their site I'm sure they'll get to the bottom of this

    Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.

  • Jade6Jade6 Member Posts: 429
    As I understand it, the image file was the delivery mechanism and the Lineage keylogger what was installed. I still haven't been able to remove the latter from my system, but of course deleted all temporary internet files which should have removed the image. McAfee and AdAware haven't found anything else, which hopefully implies that it doesn't steal sensitive corporate data, but hey you never know...



    McAfee jumped on the trojan as soon as I entered mmorpg.com front page, but the trojan still got installed and comes back every time I re-start my computer. Someone suggested trying to start the machine in safe mode, I will try that tomorrow and hope to god it helps.



    I will be using Firefox from now on, but the fact is that it may be too late for me now....
  • christwariorchristwarior Member Posts: 126

    i got 2 of these viruses and at 1st i thought it was the music i was downloading last night lol

    i pwned those viruses they werent very serious either

  • Teran1987Teran1987 Member UncommonPosts: 202
    Delete your temp files first, then go to deleted the virus if your compy caught it, mine didn, mcafee stopped it :p wootness XD

    "Life is not judged by the breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away."

  • CleffyIICleffyII Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 3,440
    My Anti-Virus caught it so quick.  Just a pop up that said there is a trojan, and had a big red button that said terminate.

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  • JigsyJigsy ForTheGamers.Org AdminMember Posts: 15
    Internet Explorer is full of holes.



    You could always do: Start > Run > msconfig



    And check for anything suspicious running on startup.
  • MiNaAuMiNaAu Member Posts: 382
    does this effect Firefox users at all?
  • AdythielAdythiel Member Posts: 726
    Originally posted by MiNaAu

    does this effect Firefox users at all?
    Nope. It is an ActiveX trojan and Firefox doesn't execute ActiveX. So if you use Firefox, you are perfectly safe from this.

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  • nomadiannomadian Member Posts: 3,490



    Nope. It is an ActiveX trojan and Firefox doesn't execute ActiveX. So if you use Firefox, you are perfectly safe from this.
    Thats a relief. Not that I recall clicking any ads anyway.
  • Teran1987Teran1987 Member UncommonPosts: 202

    Upon further research, all FWS-Lineage does is copy..lineage account info and a few other games that i've never heard of. According to mcafee

     

     

    "Life is not judged by the breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away."

  • AdminAdmin Administrator RarePosts: 5,623

    Hey guys, we are very sorry about this and we have been fighting this problem non-stop since yesterday.  Unfortunately at this time we cannot stop the hackers from placing the virus script on our page(s) - all we can do is remove them once they appear.  Meddle and I are sleeping in shifts until this is resolved.

    To make it really clear, this is NOT coming from the ads.  The hacker(s) are actually modifying the pages on our site to fire the script.  They have used a few different tactics which slows down the process of removing them.

    The attacks appear to originate from Korea.  We have found reports of other websites experiencing the same attacks, and it appears to be a coordinated effort to exploit a venerability in Windows with the ANI cursor files.

    As people have stated, this attack uses ActiveX, so disabling this in your firewall or IE should protect you.  Also using a non-IE browser should keep you safe as well.

    - MMORPG.COM Staff -

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  • RattrapRattrap Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 1,599
    Problem is that in the moment you noticed this , you should have warned people visiting this site.

    Not post this now after there was several topics about it, and most of the people were allready warned by their anti virus programs.



    I know you are trying to avoid potential damage to your site. But keeping this quiet was a bad idea in my oppinion....

    "Before this battle is over all the world will know that few...stood against many." - King Leonidas

  • pompey606pompey606 Member UncommonPosts: 439
    i remeber gettin the error but i cannot find the virus anywhere!

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  • DrenethDreneth Member Posts: 697
    Originally posted by Novaseeker



    Good luck with that.



    There isnt any legal duty of a free site in any respect, so you're swimming upstream legally (yes, I am a lawyer) -- if you can't prove a duty of care (and there isn't one here), there isn't any hat to hang liability on.


    Leaving a site up that is knowingly infecting visitors with a virus certainly crosses into some seriously questionable territory.  How the hell isn't that neglecting duty of care?  It would be one thing if they DIDN'T know about it... but they do.

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  • NeovileNeovile Member UncommonPosts: 7

    That sucks! I hope everything is resolved soon.

    Good luck guys!

  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,990
    Originally posted by Dreneth



    Leaving a site up that is knowingly infecting visitors with a virus certainly crosses into some seriously questionable territory.  How the hell isn't that neglecting duty of care?  It would be one thing if they DIDN'T know about it... but they do.



    I don't know about the strange sense of justice you have. But if the virus is put to their site against their will, it's certainly not their fault. And as long as you aren't paying the anything for viewing their site, they don't have any responsibility towards you - including no responsibility to prevent their site from being used to attack you.

    Just go sue those Koreans (or whoever is making the attack in the first place), they are the criminals, and leave the victims they are using as their tools alone.

     
  • RattrapRattrap Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 1,599
    Withouth posting warning mmorpg.com has knowingly endangered portion of their users.



    Anyone who has entered this site from computer withouth AV, and with IE was infected. They know about it. Yet they decided to keep it quiet.



    If it would compared to legal , and life experience , it would be same as

    Person  having sex with the woman that has HIV. She never tells him. But when heu finds out, she says that she is battling it , and that she got it because she was raped by thug.



    Was this legally and morraly right ? No. She would be prosecuted , for endangering life of another person. Even though she was victim.





    Back to mmorpg.com



    At least 1% of site visitors were knowingly infected with keylogger trojan. And they were not warned.




    And although the trojan attacked mmorpg.com site , it was targeted at users of this site.

    If admins didnt manage to destroy the virus. They should have closed the site to prevent their users getting infected.



    Ok , so they didnt want to lose 1 day worth of advertisment money....



    But a warning is the least thing they could do. Yet they decided for silence.




    "Before this battle is over all the world will know that few...stood against many." - King Leonidas

  • d00fbysanchod00fbysancho Member Posts: 219

    I wouldn't even know i fi got infected because my subscription to my anti virus ran out and i use ie lol so hope i did not get it but i haven't used a cc on this pc since i started going on this site though

     

  • AdminAdmin Administrator RarePosts: 5,623

    Hello everyone,

    I am very sorry about our handling of this.  To be honest it really caught us by suprise and in retrospect I do agree we should have posted a warning about this and/or shutoff the web site completely.  Most of today we thought we were finding solutions to the problem when in fact we were not...and it kept coming back.  Apparently someone in Korea really had it out for us and had their hooks deeper into our machines than we realized.

    You might have noticed that our site was down for over 5 hours earlier today - this was when we realized we were not winning this battle and needed drastic measures to counter the threat.  We have taken these measures and we are fairly confident that it will not happen again (3 hours since updates and still clean - *crossing fingers*)

    During this time we were doing what we thought was our best to stop this attack and we probably removed it from our code over 30 different times, I agree we could have helped by posting a notice, but honestly it would have pretty much been a notice to let you know you were just infected if you were running IE with no anti-virus protection - because in this case it got you on the first page.

    I apologize for any mistakes we made here - but please don't fail to recognize that none of this would have happened if a) some evil bastard did not make this virus and hijack our site and b) Microsoft did not leave a giant exploitable hole in their codebase for .ANI files (also note there should be a Windows Update to fix this very, very soon from Microsoft).

    Rattrap: We did not try to hide from this at all, I located every thread I could find in the past 2 days and answered people's questions the best I could and explained what we were trying to do to stop it.  Both Meddle (Ben) and I made every effort to "firefight" this mess from the moment we discovered it and we never left our servers infected when we knew they were.  When we realized we could not stop the attacks we DID shut the site down and took drastic measures to try and block it.  I don't think we did the best we could have and countering this threat, but we did ACT and our motives were not greed as you implied in your message...

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  • KaalinnKaalinn Member UncommonPosts: 121


    Originally posted by Rattrap
    Withouth posting warning mmorpg.com has knowingly endangered portion of their users.Anyone who has entered this site from computer withouth AV, and with IE was infected. They know about it. Yet they decided to keep it quiet. If it would compared to legal , and life experience , it would be same as
    Person having sex with the woman that has HIV. She never tells him. But when heu finds out, she says that she is battling it , and that she got it because she was raped by thug. Was this legally and morraly right ? No. She would be prosecuted , for endangering life of another person. Even though she was victim.

    I think what you miss here is personal responsibility and CHOICE. Everytime you choose to have sex, even with a condom, there is a chance you might contract something. You engage in the activity knowing this fully. If you ask your partner if they know of something they have and they deny it, only then does it even go into a questionable area.

    The same goes for websites. You know that they could have all kinds of stuff on there, but you go there knowing this fully, you probably even have antivirus software on your computer just for THAT reason... you KNOW its out there. Your own anti-virus is evidence that you apparently know of it and chose to protect yourself, not be protected. You could go to some sites that are barely legal, or not legal at all, and are known (or at least rumored) to be full of trojans, probably intentionally. That's your choice, and MMORPG.com didnt in any way or form swear or pledge to you that they are virus free, it's just your assumption or demand. But as i already said, the existence of anti-virus software already proves that while you might avoid sites you dont think are save you still prepare for possible virii, since it can, and did, happen like it did here.

  • LukainLukain Member UncommonPosts: 591
    Glad to see MMORPG.com back up & running ,  needed my fix for the day   Ps: Firefox  for Da! win
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