At least people had a chance to preview a highly polished version of LOTRO for free before laying down 50$. Unlike another game that shall remain nameless, Turbine is being quite open and honest with their game and not screwing anyone over.
To me, that speaks volumes.
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again must i say this play what you want and stop fighting about it i hate people just saying one games better than another you play what you like and i will play what i like no point in fighting about it just go play
600k is the number Turbine has been stating. And that was for pre-orders, if I remember. I'd have to check the link on F13.
I'm not surprised the tards found the game, I've just been hearing scuttlebutt that Turbine was gonna crack down on the naming rules pretty hard. All the hardcore lore nuts that speak in dwarven and elvish, memorized Silmarillion, and all tend to freak out when someone poo-poo's in their religion. Just thought it funny was all.
Personally, I don't think they'll be very successful in policing all the numbnuts, especially if the game does in fact pull a WoW-like success.
A Minstrel named Clapton, I can cope with that. Depending on whether he plays old, or new stuff.
I believe the European Beta is working in a very different way to the American "Open Beta".
As such the European version of LOTRO hosted by Codemasters Servers will not have an "Open Beta". And certainly not an "OpenBeta" for as long as you folks over in the states have had it. (Beginning of this month? Please correct me if im wrong). Up until today we were still in closed beta. I think the game goes dark for us now until the 14th.
However i think the difference is that here in Europe our "Early Access" period starts on April the 14th for 10 days....but it is open to those that have a pre-order box set, or a pre-order pack from an online source containing a key ONLY. So it isnt truly OPEN as such.
Interestingly though whereas the states is recieving a nice lengthy open beta period with characters up to level 15 carried into live play on the 24th, Our European "Early Access" for 10 days i believe has NO level limit and characters are moved into live on the 24th.
Please correct me if im wrong anyone, thanks for listening and nice talking to you.
Its open beta and they can only fill 11 servers. So this is not going to be a popular game. Its gonna have 150k subscribers max
Well I think it's hard to project peak player numbers based on current participation in an open beta. There are all kinds of statistical reasons why this is not a reliable indicator, but to avoid boring everyone to death I'll just say that a lot of people actually don't like beta testing. If I try any new game, this will be it, but beta testing isn't my cup of tea.
Arc
I 'll say the same thing I said on the Vanguard open beta, this ain't beta bud this is try before buy. Download it try it before dropping any cash on it.
So is the "beta" game pretty much ready to go live then? I "beta tested" SWG for waaay to long lol, and don't really want the frustration of trying out an unfinished product. If this is really a "try before you buy," and the game is in good shape lemme know please, if you would
Arc
Its a fun game arc..from an swg vet to another. Compared to other games out there..both singleplayer and MMO's..its definately worth the initial price to play for a month. And OMG is so nice seeing a game released when the players think its ready. It's not what the old swg was..but i recommend this game to anyone. Support finished games!!
O.k. thanks Fikus. If I feel like a change of pace from the superhero scene, this is what'll I'll try out
Its open beta and they can only fill 11 servers. So this is not going to be a popular game. Its gonna have 150k subscribers max
Well I think it's hard to project peak player numbers based on current participation in an open beta. There are all kinds of statistical reasons why this is not a reliable indicator, but to avoid boring everyone to death I'll just say that a lot of people actually don't like beta testing. If I try any new game, this will be it, but beta testing isn't my cup of tea.
Arc
I 'll say the same thing I said on the Vanguard open beta, this ain't beta bud this is try before buy. Download it try it before dropping any cash on it.
So is the "beta" game pretty much ready to go live then? I "beta tested" SWG for waaay to long lol, and don't really want the frustration of trying out an unfinished product. If this is really a "try before you buy," and the game is in good shape lemme know please, if you would
Arc
Its a fun game arc..from an swg vet to another. Compared to other games out there..both singleplayer and MMO's..its definately worth the initial price to play for a month. And OMG is so nice seeing a game released when the players think its ready. It's not what the old swg was..but i recommend this game to anyone. Support finished games!!I'll never support finished MMO. MMO`s that gets finished = they pull the plug.
I'm paying a monthly fee for a reason.
I kind of think "finished" in this context means that the basic mechanics are ready and functional. They can add content all they like, but yeah, I like when the game mechanics are ready to go, and not riddled with game breaking bugs.
That's just being pedantic. Very few customers cancel preorders. A few % at most.
A better question is to ask how many of the 600K can they keep after the first month? Personally, I think this game will do well.
thats not true at all. People pay ten bucks for a preorder so they can get into the beta and try the game out. If its not a good game, most of them will not buy the game at release
You don't need a pre-order to get into open beta. It's open to everyone, and it's really easy to get a key. You would have known this if you did a little research before browsing lotro forums.
Every pre-order is practically a game purchase.
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600k is the number Turbine has been stating. And that was for pre-orders, if I remember. I'd have to check the link on F13. I'm not surprised the tards found the game, I've just been hearing scuttlebutt that Turbine was gonna crack down on the naming rules pretty hard. All the hardcore lore nuts that speak in dwarven and elvish, memorized Silmarillion, and all tend to freak out when someone poo-poo's in their religion. Just thought it funny was all. Personally, I don't think they'll be very successful in policing all the numbnuts, especially if the game does in fact pull a WoW-like success. A Minstrel named Clapton, I can cope with that. Depending on whether he plays old, or new stuff.
This has been stickied for a week or more, so looks like they are being realistic about the names
just a reminder that we do not forbid character names that do not strictly fit within a Middle-Earth or fantasy setting. We will only change names that specifically violate the guidelines published in our Naming Policy, which can be referenced at http://turbine.fuzeqna.com/lotro.sup....asp?kbid=1279
Specifically, the naming policy does not include ANY mention of "names not suggestive of Lord of the Rings or fantasy environments" as being forbidden. We will, in fact, allow Toaster... and Soda... and DoodIRawk. We will not, on the other hand, allow BlackAndDecker, Pepsi, or DoodUSuck.
Please review the Naming Policy, and make sure that the name in question actually violates this policy before reporting it. We welcome reports on names that violate the Naming Policy, but repeated frivolous name reports will be considered abuse of the report feature, and could result in action against the reporter themselves.
Certain players (and one in particular - you know who you are) will be extremely happy to know that they can now have names with 3 consecutive vowels! However, we still think Legolaaas and Eeomir are pretty silly
So I would not worry too much about the Similarion Thumpers. I tried telling them way back on the MEO forums that the game would not be The Sims - Middle Earth Edition but they were convinced that the game needed nothing more than tater farming and pipeweed smoking to be a rousing success.
yea who would want to try out a game for free before paying 50 bucks for it? The answer? EVERYONE! So the population isnt going to increase much at release, if at all
I really dont think that this game will peak at the releaseday/week.
I'v had atleast one friend from other MMO that didn't know that LOTR:O excisted, none zip zero whatsoever knowledge about it. He just doesnt bother to find out what is the next game that one has to buy and play.
Now I told him about it and he kind of not liked the idea to having to download the game etc etc. But shure he did after persuation.
What I am saying is that regardless of beta, internet hype, you have a huge market of players that play the game their friends play and gives a rat ass of what is the most popular game here on MMORP.com or whatever else forum.
So... I am quite confident that LOTR:O will have their fair amount of players and thus it will increase even after the release, for being obviuos.
600k is the number Turbine has been stating. And that was for pre-orders, if I remember. I'd have to check the link on F13. I'm not surprised the tards found the game, I've just been hearing scuttlebutt that Turbine was gonna crack down on the naming rules pretty hard. All the hardcore lore nuts that speak in dwarven and elvish, memorized Silmarillion, and all tend to freak out when someone poo-poo's in their religion. Just thought it funny was all. Personally, I don't think they'll be very successful in policing all the numbnuts, especially if the game does in fact pull a WoW-like success. A Minstrel named Clapton, I can cope with that. Depending on whether he plays old, or new stuff.
When you see a player complain on some forum that there Ipwn756 name has reported and that you actually see lvl 70 character in wow named fgsdfg. It could be disturbing at best, if not a sign of that it is one that you should bother with.
But if ther is a saying over there "empty barrels sounds the most" it could be applicable here.
One notice these name more then other regular and good names, and you also notice those that are rude more then the others.
I think those numbnut tards will come to LOTR sooner or later if they already haven't.
Since this is the second time you have brought it up... People are allowed to mention Vanguard when discussing other games. It is an example of game development gone wrong to some people, and will be used occasionally when they need to compare and cotrast.... Beyond that, as one of the most vocal supporters of Vanguard, you should expect people to bring it up with you when discussing other games with you.
Since this is the second time you have brought it up... People are allowed to mention Vanguard when discussing other games. It is an example of game development gone wrong to some people, and will be used occasionally when they need to compare and cotrast.... Beyond that, as one of the most vocal supporters of Vanguard, you should expect people to bring it up with you when discussing other games with you.
Since when the fuck do I support Vanguard? Here's a clue. I don't.
I got a free copy of the game and a game time card, played it. Said I didn't suffer from the constant crashing, and some of the other bugs people bitched about. Quit after about a month and a week, and made a rather long and detailed post about why I didn't like the game.
Now, I've argued with people spouting off stupid ass conspiracy theories about how everyones a paid poster, and there's censorship and a nefarious plot to silence dissenters in every corner. Some of them sound like Poopypants and his wackjob New World Order posts in General. But I sure as shit never said I supported the game. I damn near caught a ban for breaking NDA before open beta to counter fanbois talking it up as the greatest thing since sex. In fact, in this very thread, I said I agreed with Jackdog's posts about Vanguard. But hey, why bother with facts, when we can pull stuff out of our ass, or just totally ignore what was posted, and rave like a madman like Mars500
I made a fairly lengthy post Saturday about what I liked and didn't like about LotRO. Apparently, some of the fans didn't like that people weren't full on fellating every aspect of the game, and some mod deleted the thread wholesale. Not that it would make any difference that I liked part of the game, all that matters is that I felt the game could have been so much more, given the source material, and expecting more is bad. Just ask the Vanguard fanboys. They'll tell you supporting the game, no matter what is paramount.
Clearly fighting a tidal wave of mediocrity is a losing proposition, so here's to American Idol, Britney Spears, and Lord of the Rings Online.
I made a fairly lengthy post Saturday about what I liked and didn't like about LotRO. Apparently, some of the fans didn't like that people weren't full on fellating every aspect of the game, and some mod deleted the thread wholesale.
Sounds like a conspiracy to me.... deleting threads that are negative towards LotRO...makes sense, after all, look at all the LotRO adds on this site....
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@ coldmeat.. I guess I quit reading the Vanguard forums before you decided you didn't like the game any more. I am pretty sure I have seen you defending the game over there, but you would know better than me. I know your posts always struck me as pro-vanguard. I'll have to take your word for it I guess.
My replay that was deleted for the sin of pointing out vanguards flaws, which you quoted asking why I mentioned Vanguard, was in response to the original post in this thread. Posted by a guy who is pretty much a pro-vanguard troll. If I was incorrect in pulling you in to my explanation, I apologize... but if you just look quickly at the post history for the thread starter, you will see that it does seem to apply to him. Beyond that, his xfire signature points out what he is playing... and his post here was is far more trollish than my response.
I see that I am not the only one to have posts deleted recently... I can't think of any reason why it got canned, even rereading it from the post where you quoted it. I'll admit to the assumption that you reported it... since you took the time to reply and tell me it was somehow off-topic.
Originally posted by Salvatoris @ coldmeat.. I guess I quit reading the Vanguard forums before you decided you didn't like the game any more. I am pretty sure I have seen you defending the game over there, but you would know better than me. I know your posts always struck me as pro-vanguard. I'll have to take your word for it I guess. My replay that was deleted for the sin of pointing out vanguards flaws, which you quoted asking why I mentioned Vanguard, was in response to the original post in this thread. Posted by a guy who is pretty much a pro-vanguard troll. If I was incorrect in pulling you in to my explanation, I apologize... but if you just look quickly at the post history for the thread starter, you will see that it does seem to apply to him. Beyond that, his xfire signature points out what he is playing... and his post here was is far more trollish than my response. I see that I am not the only one to have posts deleted recently... I can't think of any reason why it got canned, even rereading it from the post where you quoted it. I'll admit to the assumption that you reported it... since you took the time to reply and tell me it was somehow off-topic.
I think the post I quoted mentioning VG was from Jackdog calling me a VG fanboy. Maybe I did quote you, and just forgot, or something.
I don't report posts, though. I'm much more thick skinned than that. And having received warnings, or had posts deleted because someone didn't like my opinion, well, I'll be the last to report someone. Unless they started posting clips from some racist website, or something really over the line like that.
I think though, that there are some valid comparisons to be made to VG, though. The fanboys from VG are very similar to the fanboys for LotRO in that they feel they must shout down criticism, or anything they see as being critical, regardless of it's validity. When faced with a rational argument, they either pretend not to see it, or just start throwing out stupid insults. With VG it was the WoW crap, here it's VG crap.
Edit: I just saw the post of yours I quoted, and I agree with you, I've no clue why they deleted it. Admittedly, my reply was on the snarky side, but I'm just that way, it's not a personal thing, and after fighting with people in the VG forum for so long, I'm probably somewhat trigger happy.
I think the post I quoted mentioning VG was from Jackdog calling me a VG fanboy. Maybe I did quote you, and just forgot, or something. I don't report posts, though. I'm much more thick skinned than that. And having received warnings, or had posts deleted because someone didn't like my opinion, well, I'll be the last to report someone. Unless they started posting clips from some racist website, or something really over the line like that. I think though, that there are some valid comparisons to be made to VG, though. The fanboys from VG are very similar to the fanboys for LotRO in that they feel they must shout down criticism, or anything they see as being critical, regardless of it's validity. When faced with a rational arguement, they either pretend not to see it, or just start throwing out stupid insults. With VG it was the WoW crap, here it's VG crap.
Wow dude , nice tap dance, you went from saying the A.I. is not good , to making it the "fanboys for LotRO in that they feel they must shout down criticism"
Guess what Coldmeat, you are having a hard time admitting you are wroong, it is ok dude. We aren't like Vanboys , we are open to critiquing and we would encourage people to post solid objective veiws on the official forum. For the most part you are so used to having a wave of people follow your wake, that for the first time in your mmorpg.com posting history, that just hasn't happened. I respect some of your views for a lot of things but this one instance about the "Ai" of LotrO, you are wrong.
The last post I made last night before going to bed, I said, yeah, I found a deer, it ran off as I approached, when I chased it, it changed direction, then ran another few feet. Then it just stood there. A few seconds after, another player ran by, and it bolted again, and before I could see if it would run from me again, the players pet killed it.
As I said, I figured it was some sort of anti-kiting code. Presumably to keep people from kiting high level mobs to the starter areas a la WoW.
I said that yes, there was fog in the marsh, or at least it looked like fog. Because I was in dread mode, and the screen goes blurry and foggy when it goes into dread mode. But when it would pop in and out of DM, everything would go clear for a while.
I said I fought a goblin, which when it ran to attack me, buttonhooked at the end, and was at about 10 o'clock to me. I said it ran at about 40% health, got about 30 feet away, and started to do something, but the last arrow I fired killed it before I could see what it was it was doing.
Still haven't found snow/rain. Haven't seen animals drinking from streams yet. Should I encounter further displays of lifelike behavior from the mobs in the future, I'll post here to let you know. Scouts honor. Fuck, I came out and asked people to give me some /locs where I could find the things they were talking about. One person made a post about the goblins around South Bree, or something? Beyond that, I got some screenshots and snarky comments from fifthred, and/or yourself.
The npc's in towns? There's 2 guards in Combe that path through. One from the town square south past the crafting area, the other from the town square up the road towards Staddle. There's a Townsperson that paths around the town square and up the hill, and a Woodsman, or Lumberjack with a limp that paths from the town square to the lumber mill to the south, I guess, I didn't follow him.
Besides that, there's a couple npc's that stand around, doing a little action loop, like the cooking trainer that just stands there stirring her bowl. the medium armor seller bangs endlessly on the same piece of armor.
It's the same in Staddle, and Bree. An npc or two that walks a specific path, and does nothing else. A couple static npcs that have a looped action. and everyone else stands stock still. Maybe it's the download client vs the Preorder client. Maybe it's a starter town thing. I dunno.
As for admitting I'm wrong, no, if I make a mistake, I'll take credit for it. I don't go back and edit my posts to make myself look favorable, or any such things. But don't think that I'm gonna sit around and jerk you off, either. I'm sure as hell not used to having people follow me around, agreeing with me. I figure most people disagree with me quite a bit. I prefer a more sandboxy style of MMO, which seems to be pretty unwelcome by the majority of MMO players. I think WoW is a good game for what it is, which drew quite a bit of flack from the VG fans, as did my saying the game was releasing at least three months too soon, or that the performance was crap, and that Sigil was foolish not to have learned from EQ2's mistakes when it came to "future proofing" the graphics engine. And in the case of LotRO, I think they could have made a deeper experience, given the vast amounts of lore and background. Like I replied to Fikus, I understand the story they're telling, but it would be better suited to a single player game. I think they'd have been better off telling the story like they did in AC. Letting the players affect the world. Even letting players choose to side with one faction or another via quests, rather than the pvp option some have asked for. Some people, though, seem to be offended at the very thought.
Tap dance? The last post I made last night before going to bed, I said, yeah, I found a deer, it ran off as I approached, when I chased it, it changed direction, then ran another few feet. Then it just stood there. A few seconds after, another player ran by, and it bolted again, and before I could see if it would run from me again, the players pet killed it. As I said, I figured it was some sort of anti-kiting code. Presumably to keep people from kiting high level mobs to the starter areas a la WoW. I said that yes, there was fog in the marsh, or at least it looked like fog. Because I was in dread mode, and the screen goes blurry and foggy when it goes into dread mode. But when it would pop in and out of DM, everything would go clear for a while. I said I fought a goblin, which when it ran to attack me, buttonhooked at the end, and was at about 10 o'clock to me. I said it ran at about 40% health, got about 30 feet away, and started to do something, but the last arrow I fired killed it before I could see what it was it was doing. Still haven't found snow/rain. Haven't seen animals drinking from streams yet. Should I encounter further displays of lifelike behavior from the mobs in the future, I'll post here to let you know. Scouts honor. Fuck, I came out and asked people to give me some /locs where I could find the things they were talking about. One person made a post about the goblins around South Bree, or something? Beyond that, I got some screenshots and snarky comments from fifthred, and/or yourself. The npc's in towns? There's 2 guards in Combe that path through. One from the town square south past the crafting area, the other from the town square up the road towards Staddle. There's a Townsperson that paths around the town square and up the hill, and a Woodsman, or Lumberjack with a limp that paths from the town square to the lumber mill to the south, I guess, I didn't follow him. Besides that, there's a couple npc's that stand around, doing a little action loop, like the cooking trainer that just stands there stirring her bowl. the medium armor seller bangs endlessly on the same piece of armor. It's the same in Staddle, and Bree. An npc or two that walks a specific path, and does nothing else. A couple static npcs that have a looped action. and everyone else stands stock still. Maybe it's the download client vs the Preorder client. Maybe it's a starter town thing. I dunno. As for admitting I'm wrong, no, if I make a mistake, I'll take credit for it. I don't go back and edit my posts to make myself look favorable, or any such things. But don't think that I'm gonna sit around and jerk you off, either. I'm sure as hell not used to having people follow me around, agreeing with me. I figure most people disagree with me quite a bit. I prefer a more sandboxy style of MMO, which seems to be pretty unwelcome by the majority of MMO players. I think WoW is a good game for what it is, which drew quite a bit of flack from the VG fans, as did my saying the game was releasing at least three months too soon, or that the performance was crap, and that Sigil was foolish not to have learned from EQ2's mistakes when it came to "future proofing" the graphics engine. And in the case of LotRO, I think they could have made a deeper experience, given the vast amounts of lore and background. Like I replied to Fikus, I understand the story they're telling, but it would be better suited to a single player game. I think they'd have been better off telling the story like they did in AC. Letting the players affect the world. Even letting players choose to side with one faction or another via quests, rather than the pvp option some have asked for. Some people, though, seem to be offended at the very thought.
Did Turbine deliver the product they said they would, as determined by their customers? Yes.(imo)
Did the Quality of that product meet or exceed the customers expectations? Yes.(imo)
Thats the only thing we should be debating at this point.(imo)
The debate over the core game mechanics is kinda pointless. Everyone knew long ago what this game was gonna be..did Turbine deliver..or not?
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Originally posted by FikusOfAhazi Did Turbine deliver the product they said they would, as determined by their customers? Yes.(imo) Did the Quality of that product meet or exceed the customers expectations? Yes.(imo) Thats the only thing we should be debating at this point.(imo) The debate over the core game mechanics is kinda pointless. Everyone knew long ago what this game was gonna be..did Turbine deliver..or not?
Fair enough, point taken. Good luck, and good day.
500k by the middle of the year, 800k by the end of the year, if the expansions come fast and provide, 1 million+ are possible. You are all underestimating the license. Especially the Vanguard guys...
500k by the middle of the year, 800k by the end of the year, if the expansions come fast and provide, 1 million+ are possible. You are all underestimating the license. Especially the Vanguard guys...
500k by the middle of the year, 800k by the end of the year, if the expansions come fast and provide, 1 million+ are possible. You are all underestimating the license. Especially the Vanguard guys...
So SWG should have 10millions subscribers.
It does not
Oh and I'm sorry... i have fun in VG and i did not in months ago in LOTRO
Its open beta and they can only fill 11 servers. So this is not going to be a popular game. Its gonna have 150k subscribers max
Well I think it's hard to project peak player numbers based on current participation in an open beta. There are all kinds of statistical reasons why this is not a reliable indicator, but to avoid boring everyone to death I'll just say that a lot of people actually don't like beta testing. If I try any new game, this will be it, but beta testing isn't my cup of tea.
Arc
yea who would want to try out a game for free before paying 50 bucks for it? The answer? EVERYONE!
So the population isnt going to increase much at release, if at all
You sure about your statement there? or you just making stuff up as you go? This true for all games? Can you provide any evidence at all to back up your statement? I realize its just your opinion..just wondering if it was an informed one, or one made in ignorance?
Vanguard had about the same number of servers at release as it did in open beta. So yea, that is good evidence.
you obviously didnt play the game in open beta or after it was released, did you lol
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At least people had a chance to preview a highly polished version of LOTRO for free before laying down 50$. Unlike another game that shall remain nameless, Turbine is being quite open and honest with their game and not screwing anyone over.
To me, that speaks volumes.
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600k is the number Turbine has been stating. And that was for pre-orders, if I remember. I'd have to check the link on F13.
I'm not surprised the tards found the game, I've just been hearing scuttlebutt that Turbine was gonna crack down on the naming rules pretty hard. All the hardcore lore nuts that speak in dwarven and elvish, memorized Silmarillion, and all tend to freak out when someone poo-poo's in their religion. Just thought it funny was all.
Personally, I don't think they'll be very successful in policing all the numbnuts, especially if the game does in fact pull a WoW-like success.
A Minstrel named Clapton, I can cope with that. Depending on whether he plays old, or new stuff.
Hey Jack.
I believe the European Beta is working in a very different way to the American "Open Beta".
As such the European version of LOTRO hosted by Codemasters Servers will not have an "Open Beta". And certainly not an "OpenBeta" for as long as you folks over in the states have had it. (Beginning of this month? Please correct me if im wrong). Up until today we were still in closed beta. I think the game goes dark for us now until the 14th.
However i think the difference is that here in Europe our "Early Access" period starts on April the 14th for 10 days....but it is open to those that have a pre-order box set, or a pre-order pack from an online source containing a key ONLY. So it isnt truly OPEN as such.
Interestingly though whereas the states is recieving a nice lengthy open beta period with characters up to level 15 carried into live play on the 24th, Our European "Early Access" for 10 days i believe has NO level limit and characters are moved into live on the 24th.
Please correct me if im wrong anyone, thanks for listening and nice talking to you.
Regards
Mag
Well I think it's hard to project peak player numbers based on current participation in an open beta. There are all kinds of statistical reasons why this is not a reliable indicator, but to avoid boring everyone to death I'll just say that a lot of people actually don't like beta testing. If I try any new game, this will be it, but beta testing isn't my cup of tea.
Arc
I 'll say the same thing I said on the Vanguard open beta, this ain't beta bud this is try before buy. Download it try it before dropping any cash on it.So is the "beta" game pretty much ready to go live then? I "beta tested" SWG for waaay to long lol, and don't really want the frustration of trying out an unfinished product. If this is really a "try before you buy," and the game is in good shape lemme know please, if you would
Arc
Its a fun game arc..from an swg vet to another. Compared to other games out there..both singleplayer and MMO's..its definately worth the initial price to play for a month. And OMG is so nice seeing a game released when the players think its ready. It's not what the old swg was..but i recommend this game to anyone. Support finished games!!
O.k. thanks Fikus. If I feel like a change of pace from the superhero scene, this is what'll I'll try out
Arc
Well I think it's hard to project peak player numbers based on current participation in an open beta. There are all kinds of statistical reasons why this is not a reliable indicator, but to avoid boring everyone to death I'll just say that a lot of people actually don't like beta testing. If I try any new game, this will be it, but beta testing isn't my cup of tea.
Arc
I 'll say the same thing I said on the Vanguard open beta, this ain't beta bud this is try before buy. Download it try it before dropping any cash on it.So is the "beta" game pretty much ready to go live then? I "beta tested" SWG for waaay to long lol, and don't really want the frustration of trying out an unfinished product. If this is really a "try before you buy," and the game is in good shape lemme know please, if you would
Arc
Its a fun game arc..from an swg vet to another. Compared to other games out there..both singleplayer and MMO's..its definately worth the initial price to play for a month. And OMG is so nice seeing a game released when the players think its ready. It's not what the old swg was..but i recommend this game to anyone. Support finished games!!I'll never support finished MMO. MMO`s that gets finished = they pull the plug.
I'm paying a monthly fee for a reason.
I kind of think "finished" in this context means that the basic mechanics are ready and functional. They can add content all they like, but yeah, I like when the game mechanics are ready to go, and not riddled with game breaking bugs.
Arc
A better question is to ask how many of the 600K can they keep after the first month? Personally, I think this game will do well.
thats not true at all. People pay ten bucks for a preorder so they can get into the beta and try the game out. If its not a good game, most of them will not buy the game at release
You don't need a pre-order to get into open beta. It's open to everyone, and it's really easy to get a key. You would have known this if you did a little research before browsing lotro forums.
Every pre-order is practically a game purchase.
Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs
Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW
Looking Forward To: SW:TOR
just a reminder that we do not forbid character names that do not strictly fit within a Middle-Earth or fantasy setting. We will only change names that specifically violate the guidelines published in our Naming Policy, which can be referenced at http://turbine.fuzeqna.com/lotro.sup....asp?kbid=1279
Specifically, the naming policy does not include ANY mention of "names not suggestive of Lord of the Rings or fantasy environments" as being forbidden. We will, in fact, allow Toaster... and Soda... and DoodIRawk. We will not, on the other hand, allow BlackAndDecker, Pepsi, or DoodUSuck.
Please review the Naming Policy, and make sure that the name in question actually violates this policy before reporting it. We welcome reports on names that violate the Naming Policy, but repeated frivolous name reports will be considered abuse of the report feature, and could result in action against the reporter themselves.
the link - forums.lotro.com/showthread.php
from todays patch notes
Certain players (and one in particular - you know who you are) will be extremely happy to know that they can now have names with 3 consecutive vowels! However, we still think Legolaaas and Eeomir are pretty silly
the link - forums.lotro.com/showthread.php
So I would not worry too much about the Similarion Thumpers. I tried telling them way back on the MEO forums that the game would not be The Sims - Middle Earth Edition but they were convinced that the game needed nothing more than tater farming and pipeweed smoking to be a rousing success.
I miss DAoC
I'v had atleast one friend from other MMO that didn't know that LOTR:O excisted, none zip zero whatsoever knowledge about it. He just doesnt bother to find out what is the next game that one has to buy and play.
Now I told him about it and he kind of not liked the idea to having to download the game etc etc. But shure he did after persuation.
What I am saying is that regardless of beta, internet hype, you have a huge market of players that play the game their friends play and gives a rat ass of what is the most popular game here on MMORP.com or whatever else forum.
So... I am quite confident that LOTR:O will have their fair amount of players and thus it will increase even after the release, for being obviuos.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
But if ther is a saying over there "empty barrels sounds the most" it could be applicable here.
One notice these name more then other regular and good names, and you also notice those that are rude more then the others.
I think those numbnut tards will come to LOTR sooner or later if they already haven't.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
Since this is the second time you have brought it up... People are allowed to mention Vanguard when discussing other games. It is an example of game development gone wrong to some people, and will be used occasionally when they need to compare and cotrast.... Beyond that, as one of the most vocal supporters of Vanguard, you should expect people to bring it up with you when discussing other games with you.
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Since when the fuck do I support Vanguard? Here's a clue. I don't.
I got a free copy of the game and a game time card, played it. Said I didn't suffer from the constant crashing, and some of the other bugs people bitched about. Quit after about a month and a week, and made a rather long and detailed post about why I didn't like the game.
Now, I've argued with people spouting off stupid ass conspiracy theories about how everyones a paid poster, and there's censorship and a nefarious plot to silence dissenters in every corner. Some of them sound like Poopypants and his wackjob New World Order posts in General. But I sure as shit never said I supported the game. I damn near caught a ban for breaking NDA before open beta to counter fanbois talking it up as the greatest thing since sex. In fact, in this very thread, I said I agreed with Jackdog's posts about Vanguard. But hey, why bother with facts, when we can pull stuff out of our ass, or just totally ignore what was posted, and rave like a madman like Mars500
I made a fairly lengthy post Saturday about what I liked and didn't like about LotRO. Apparently, some of the fans didn't like that people weren't full on fellating every aspect of the game, and some mod deleted the thread wholesale. Not that it would make any difference that I liked part of the game, all that matters is that I felt the game could have been so much more, given the source material, and expecting more is bad. Just ask the Vanguard fanboys. They'll tell you supporting the game, no matter what is paramount.
Clearly fighting a tidal wave of mediocrity is a losing proposition, so here's to American Idol, Britney Spears, and Lord of the Rings Online.
Enjoy your video game.
Maybe not
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@ coldmeat.. I guess I quit reading the Vanguard forums before you decided you didn't like the game any more. I am pretty sure I have seen you defending the game over there, but you would know better than me. I know your posts always struck me as pro-vanguard. I'll have to take your word for it I guess.
My replay that was deleted for the sin of pointing out vanguards flaws, which you quoted asking why I mentioned Vanguard, was in response to the original post in this thread. Posted by a guy who is pretty much a pro-vanguard troll. If I was incorrect in pulling you in to my explanation, I apologize... but if you just look quickly at the post history for the thread starter, you will see that it does seem to apply to him. Beyond that, his xfire signature points out what he is playing... and his post here was is far more trollish than my response.
I see that I am not the only one to have posts deleted recently... I can't think of any reason why it got canned, even rereading it from the post where you quoted it. I'll admit to the assumption that you reported it... since you took the time to reply and tell me it was somehow off-topic.
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I think the post I quoted mentioning VG was from Jackdog calling me a VG fanboy. Maybe I did quote you, and just forgot, or something.
I don't report posts, though. I'm much more thick skinned than that. And having received warnings, or had posts deleted because someone didn't like my opinion, well, I'll be the last to report someone. Unless they started posting clips from some racist website, or something really over the line like that.
I think though, that there are some valid comparisons to be made to VG, though. The fanboys from VG are very similar to the fanboys for LotRO in that they feel they must shout down criticism, or anything they see as being critical, regardless of it's validity. When faced with a rational argument, they either pretend not to see it, or just start throwing out stupid insults. With VG it was the WoW crap, here it's VG crap.
Edit: I just saw the post of yours I quoted, and I agree with you, I've no clue why they deleted it. Admittedly, my reply was on the snarky side, but I'm just that way, it's not a personal thing, and after fighting with people in the VG forum for so long, I'm probably somewhat trigger happy.
Guess what Coldmeat, you are having a hard time admitting you are wroong, it is ok dude. We aren't like Vanboys , we are open to critiquing and we would encourage people to post solid objective veiws on the official forum. For the most part you are so used to having a wave of people follow your wake, that for the first time in your mmorpg.com posting history, that just hasn't happened. I respect some of your views for a lot of things but this one instance about the "Ai" of LotrO, you are wrong.
So lets just sit back and have a
who me ?
Tap dance?
The last post I made last night before going to bed, I said, yeah, I found a deer, it ran off as I approached, when I chased it, it changed direction, then ran another few feet. Then it just stood there. A few seconds after, another player ran by, and it bolted again, and before I could see if it would run from me again, the players pet killed it.
As I said, I figured it was some sort of anti-kiting code. Presumably to keep people from kiting high level mobs to the starter areas a la WoW.
I said that yes, there was fog in the marsh, or at least it looked like fog. Because I was in dread mode, and the screen goes blurry and foggy when it goes into dread mode. But when it would pop in and out of DM, everything would go clear for a while.
I said I fought a goblin, which when it ran to attack me, buttonhooked at the end, and was at about 10 o'clock to me. I said it ran at about 40% health, got about 30 feet away, and started to do something, but the last arrow I fired killed it before I could see what it was it was doing.
Still haven't found snow/rain. Haven't seen animals drinking from streams yet. Should I encounter further displays of lifelike behavior from the mobs in the future, I'll post here to let you know. Scouts honor. Fuck, I came out and asked people to give me some /locs where I could find the things they were talking about. One person made a post about the goblins around South Bree, or something? Beyond that, I got some screenshots and snarky comments from fifthred, and/or yourself.
The npc's in towns? There's 2 guards in Combe that path through. One from the town square south past the crafting area, the other from the town square up the road towards Staddle. There's a Townsperson that paths around the town square and up the hill, and a Woodsman, or Lumberjack with a limp that paths from the town square to the lumber mill to the south, I guess, I didn't follow him.
Besides that, there's a couple npc's that stand around, doing a little action loop, like the cooking trainer that just stands there stirring her bowl. the medium armor seller bangs endlessly on the same piece of armor.
It's the same in Staddle, and Bree. An npc or two that walks a specific path, and does nothing else. A couple static npcs that have a looped action. and everyone else stands stock still. Maybe it's the download client vs the Preorder client. Maybe it's a starter town thing. I dunno.
As for admitting I'm wrong, no, if I make a mistake, I'll take credit for it. I don't go back and edit my posts to make myself look favorable, or any such things. But don't think that I'm gonna sit around and jerk you off, either. I'm sure as hell not used to having people follow me around, agreeing with me. I figure most people disagree with me quite a bit. I prefer a more sandboxy style of MMO, which seems to be pretty unwelcome by the majority of MMO players. I think WoW is a good game for what it is, which drew quite a bit of flack from the VG fans, as did my saying the game was releasing at least three months too soon, or that the performance was crap, and that Sigil was foolish not to have learned from EQ2's mistakes when it came to "future proofing" the graphics engine. And in the case of LotRO, I think they could have made a deeper experience, given the vast amounts of lore and background. Like I replied to Fikus, I understand the story they're telling, but it would be better suited to a single player game. I think they'd have been better off telling the story like they did in AC. Letting the players affect the world. Even letting players choose to side with one faction or another via quests, rather than the pvp option some have asked for. Some people, though, seem to be offended at the very thought.
Did Turbine deliver the product they said they would, as determined by their customers? Yes.(imo)
Did the Quality of that product meet or exceed the customers expectations? Yes.(imo)
Thats the only thing we should be debating at this point.(imo)
The debate over the core game mechanics is kinda pointless. Everyone knew long ago what this game was gonna be..did Turbine deliver..or not?
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Fair enough, point taken. Good luck, and good day.
who me ?
But then again I predicted only 2 million for wow
who me ?
It does not
Oh and I'm sorry... i have fun in VG and i did not in months ago in LOTRO
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Well I think it's hard to project peak player numbers based on current participation in an open beta. There are all kinds of statistical reasons why this is not a reliable indicator, but to avoid boring everyone to death I'll just say that a lot of people actually don't like beta testing. If I try any new game, this will be it, but beta testing isn't my cup of tea.
Arc
yea who would want to try out a game for free before paying 50 bucks for it? The answer? EVERYONE!
So the population isnt going to increase much at release, if at all
You sure about your statement there? or you just making stuff up as you go? This true for all games? Can you provide any evidence at all to back up your statement? I realize its just your opinion..just wondering if it was an informed one, or one made in ignorance?
Vanguard had about the same number of servers at release as it did in open beta. So yea, that is good evidence.
you obviously didnt play the game in open beta or after it was released, did you lol