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chbiz · April 2007

Rather strange whenever I come here and read all these posts from alot of none and ex players who describe a game that I've never played. Maybe VG won't sell 8 million copies but dam its fun to me, yeah I know I must be blind and a vanboi, heard it all before.

But really, lol, just makes me laugh.

I wonder if people should just go and find something 'they' like doing?

/puts on flame retardant suit

The funny thing is looks like the LOTR forums are getting all the same posts, funny how that is eh?

I've got a feeling mmorpg.com is loosing alot of cradibility of late.

olddaddy · April 2007

Originally posted by chbiz

Rather strange whenever I come here and read all these posts from alot of none and ex players who describe a game that I've never played. Maybe VG won't sell 8 million copies but dam its fun to me, yeah I know I must be blind and a vanboi, heard it all before.
But really, lol, just makes me laugh.
I wonder if people should just go and find something 'they' like doing?
/puts on flame retardant suit
The funny thing is looks like the LOTR forums are getting all the same posts, funny how that is eh?
I've got a feeling mmorpg.com is loosing alot of cradibility of late.

Go back to Vanguard noob, these forums are not for everyone, these forums are hard.

runedragon · April 2007

Agreed.....

Seems like these lovely forums have become overwhelmed by trolls and flamers. Shame they cant just get on with their lives

chbiz · April 2007

Originally posted by olddaddy

Originally posted by chbiz

Rather strange whenever I come here and read all these posts from alot of none and ex players who describe a game that I've never played. Maybe VG won't sell 8 million copies but dam its fun to me, yeah I know I must be blind and a vanboi, heard it all before.
But really, lol, just makes me laugh.
I wonder if people should just go and find something 'they' like doing?
/puts on flame retardant suit
The funny thing is looks like the LOTR forums are getting all the same posts, funny how that is eh?
I've got a feeling mmorpg.com is loosing alot of cradibility of late.

Go back to Vanguard noob, these forums are not for everyone, these forums are hard.

You can't touch me .. na na na na

Badem · April 2007

This is one of Sigil no longer visit

i believe brad commented on teh signal to noise ratio in MMORPG

anyway to be honset Vanguard palyers use the affiliate sites dedicated to their calass or craft to get info more pertinant to them

I come here because i am in work and love giggling at teh little people having temper tantrums or trying to stop people buying this game

Instead why dont they use this energy to do something useful

i dunno like

Stop global warming

stop third world debt

Stop human traffic

Hoobley_deleted · April 2007

Originally posted by olddaddy

Originally posted by chbiz

Rather strange whenever I come here and read all these posts from alot of none and ex players who describe a game that I've never played. Maybe VG won't sell 8 million copies but dam its fun to me, yeah I know I must be blind and a vanboi, heard it all before.
But really, lol, just makes me laugh.
I wonder if people should just go and find something 'they' like doing?
/puts on flame retardant suit
The funny thing is looks like the LOTR forums are getting all the same posts, funny how that is eh?
I've got a feeling mmorpg.com is loosing alot of cradibility of late.

Go back to Vanguard noob, these forums are not for everyone, these forums are hard.

can't argue with that....

chbiz · April 2007

Originally posted by Obidom

This is one of Sigil no longer visit
i believe brad commented on teh signal to noise ratio in MMORPG
anyway to be honset Vanguard palyers use the affiliate sites dedicated to their calass or craft to get info more pertinant to them
I come here because i am in work and love giggling at teh little people having temper tantrums or trying to stop people buying this game
Instead why dont they use this energy to do something useful
i dunno like
Stop global warming
stop third world debt
Stop human traffic

Aye thats the beauty the affilate sites, I mean for a mmorpg thats supposibly dying the amount of action on thoese boards is pretty intense, the real shame is that people who come to mmorpg looking for something to play will get alot of information which is just well not really realistic, sad thing it's for sure affecting the mmorpg industry as a whole.

Blurr · April 2007

Anyone can tell you that these forums are basically a joke. Obidom is right, even Brad McQuaid commented on it.

The majority of the posts here are basically just immature haters and trolls trying to skew the public opinion on the game, simply because they want to bring the game down for their own petty vengeance. They don't care that thousands of people are having fun playing the game. Hell I've even seen the regular trolls flat out lie and make things up in order to try and trash the game.

Whether they're just childish petty fools, or trying to bash the game in order to promote their own (for example, lotro), or they just have a hate on for SOE, you really aren't going to get any worthwhile conversation about Vanguard on these forums.

Funny thing is, if the game really were that bad, they wouldn't need to spend all these incredible amounts of time trying to bash the game.

Rekindle · April 2007

I do agree with you there are 5 billion shades of g rey and some people with disdain for Vanguard do a better job of expressing themselves then others.

if Sigil is ignoring these boards then they are indeed insane or stupid. People checking these boards do not presetly play the game which makes them POTENTIAL Customers.

The people who play the game and insult the opinions or views of the people who have negative feed back are a real problem. This is one of the most polarized communites ever and all the drama started when sigil got in bed wtih SOE.

Some how its been equated that if you dont liek a game or think its unacceptable to release garbage, or if you're simply disappointed, that your voice is some how invalid. Alhthough I agree that there are several non constructive posts / threads I think a lot of disucssion has been had about the behaviour of game makers and their half ready products.

IMHO anyone who releases a product not ready for "consumption" needs a fresh dose of ethics and we as a consumer gruop have a right to discuss taht lack of ethics.

If people can't take the heat then get out of the oven but dont insult my intelligence because people like me point out that this game said it would be a corvette and its more liek a chevette with the doors welded on upside down and backwards. The accountability of that does not lie in the negative (but constructive ) gamer. It goes to the marketing and hype department that fed us bull shit and then a delivered a 17 gig stinking crate of it.

Sramota · April 2007

Indeed, the moderators allow WAY too much freedom around here nowadays.
Personally I just want to get information about the game and if possible try it out
But there's just hordes of crap here and no real help..

BrotherGrim · April 2007

The problem with this is, if all the people who do not like the game, but did try it out were not posting here, how would anyone get a good idea of what the game is actually like? I agree, you have to sift through some garbage, but the idea that "if you do not like the game, stop posting here" makes little sense to me. YOu need to have both views to have a good idea of whats going on. Take the haters, take the fans and usually what is between is what you'll get in game. I'd trust the people who are giving you points about what is wrong with the game (especially since the same points are being brought up again and again) and follow their view with it.

Either way- I'm glad both sides are vocal. Gives me a better idea of when the game will be ready for me to return to it.

I'm probalby off topic here, but oh well.

Sramota · April 2007

Originally posted by BrotherGrim
The problem with this is, if all the people who do not like the game, but did try it out were not posting here, how would anyone get a good idea of what the game is actually like? I agree, you have to sift through some garbage, but the idea that "if you do not like the game, stop posting here" makes little sense to me. YOu need to have both views to have a good idea of whats going on. Take the haters, take the fans and usually what is between is what you'll get in game. I'd trust the people who are giving you points about what is wrong with the game (especially since the same points are being brought up again and again) and follow their view with it. Either way- I'm glad both sides are vocal. Gives me a better idea of when the game will be ready for me to return to it.I'm probalby off topic here, but oh well.

I do agree on this, however it's not a very fine line between actual negative critizism and pure spam/trolling/flaming.
It's an obvious difference and the moderators should care a bit more for it...

Orphes · April 2007

Originally posted by Sramota

Indeed, the moderators allow WAY too much freedom around here nowadays.

Personally I just want to get information about the game and if possible try it out

But there's just hordes of crap here and no real help..

Credabilty?

In the long run it wont matter as the audience move on and others fill in.

In the shortrun it will only loose cred amongst those that see the good things in the game.

For me... Well I dont take posts and rankings from MMORPG.com that serious as the quoted noice ratio is to high.

Oh yeah.

Freedom to speech. I have the right to post what I want. Don't visit this place etc etc.

Those other sites won't let me say what I want, they are biased etc etc.

That is pure BS based on that your anonymous in teh intaweb

Markaj · April 2007

Originally posted by Sramota

Indeed, the moderators allow WAY too much freedom around here nowadays.

Personally I just want to get information about the game and if possible try it out

But there's just hordes of crap here and no real help..

It depends on what kind of help you need. But by any chance, if you are looking for the truth, stay away from this game. This is the biggest help you can get.

Zarthaine · April 2007

There are quite a few posters, such as myself that enjoy the game. There are also people that enjoy visiting and working in New York City. How does that compare? Simple, they enjoy the trip when they get there, but not the traffic and the added expense.

I think that these complaints cover maybe 50% of the negative posts:

Sure I think the graphics are nice, however I also think the game should run a little better on an upper range systems and playable under average systems that meet specifications.
I would love to be able to recommend it to all my friends playing other games out there, but few would pony up the cost of upgrades to do so. Even if they do, they then have to contend with quite a few major bugs.
I would even find the long travel a little more tolerable if the chunks did not make me loose pets and some buffs as well as bugging some groups and even winding up across zones on some chunks. Also, if getting together as a group and traveling together to a place to hunt is a highlight of the game, why do I need you next to me almost to invite you to a group?
Many of the "Group Quests" are easily soloed; many of the Solo Quests require a strong group. It tends to add frustration when you can't complete a Solo Quest line or have to try every quest to see if it is doable as a Solo/Duo player.

While Flamers will tell you run fast from the game, which is wrong, you can still make your own choice to play the game or not. On the other hand, Vanbois will tell you how they get "awesome" performance on a average machine with maxed graphics to get you to buy the game, then sell you on upgrades after you bought it. After that they pick up the company mantra of "Wait 6 months, performance will be better".

Sramota · April 2007

I think I'll follow that mantra

and wait 6 months until I look at this again

Deathstrike2 · April 2007

Originally posted by runedragon

Agreed.....
Seems like these lovely forums have become overwhelmed by trolls and flamers. Shame they cant just get on with their lives

LOL, and the OP's post isn't a bit of flame bait? Come on... Everytime the flames about VG die down, someone will come up with some post that baits the flamers into starting the same old posts all over again.

Sramota · April 2007

Then again there's about 150 people online on mmorpg.com....
So you can expect a bit of bias.. People move in packs you know..

So, ye, credibility of this site is down the drain,
I just wonder where everyone went?

dimmit77 · April 2007

Originally posted by Sramota

Indeed, the moderators allow WAY too much freedom around here nowadays.

Personally I just want to get information about the game and if possible try it out

But there's just hordes of crap here and no real help..

You are not going to get any usefull information on these forums about online games. But the entertaintment value is priceless. I come here and read the Vantroll posts when bored. Its really fun.

Sramota · April 2007

Originally posted by dimmit77
Originally posted by Sramota Indeed, the moderators allow WAY too much freedom around here nowadays.
Personally I just want to get information about the game and if possible try it out
But there's just hordes of crap here and no real help..

You are not going to get any usefull information on these forums about online games. But the entertaintment value is priceless. I come here and read the Vantroll posts when bored. Its really fun.

So where do you find information anyways?
here's got to be SOME place...?

jor8888 · April 2007

give me my $50 back then I will stfu and leave u in peace. Until then I hope Vanguard crash like hell hahahaha. If I take $50 from u and apologize later whould u still be my friend or are u going to beat me up and take back ur $50?

Abraxos · April 2007

Originally posted by chbiz

Rather strange whenever I come here and read all these posts from alot of none and ex players who describe a game that I've never played. Maybe VG won't sell 8 million copies but dam its fun to me, yeah I know I must be blind and a vanboi, heard it all before.
But really, lol, just makes me laugh.
I wonder if people should just go and find something 'they' like doing?
/puts on flame retardant suit
The funny thing is looks like the LOTR forums are getting all the same posts, funny how that is eh?
I've got a feeling mmorpg.com is loosing alot of cradibility of late.

I have unscribed to the game. I am not going to call anyone a "Vanboi". However, I still have an interest in Vanguard's future or lack of future. I'm sure many would say "Hey if you're not playing then go hang out with the Wowfans or the LOTR online addicts!" It's not always that easy of a transition for people. MMORPGs are not single player games you spend 20 hours on and finish. They are also not games that get produced in one or two years.

A fan of a MMORPG could follow a game for five years of pre-production and then buy the game and be extremely dissapointed. After such an investment of time and money one feels "drained". He/She could post and defend the game on fansites or even make a fansite of their own. When the game "fails" in your eyes then it is a big kick to the groin. Any MMORPG will always have people like me and people who are far more volatile and unrational than me posting after they quit the game.

I am agitated I wasted so much time following Vanguard and then it lasted less than 2 months. I am ticked that Brad jumped on the same bandwagon as many other MMORPG celebrities and claimed that his game would be this and do that and be better than this etc etc etc. I am frustrated that many things he offered sounded like it could be that next great game and it didn't come close to being 3rd generation by any definition. Unfortunately just like when you break up with someone after a long relationship, sometimes you don't wish to go out immediately and jump into another relationship. You're tired and angry and need a breather. Most guys will go out and have a beer and complain to his buddies about his Ex for a while before he moves on to someone else.

You're seeing people complain about their "Ex" and blowing off steam about Vanguard. Nothing sucks worse than hearing that someone else is madly in love and having a wonderful life when you just broke up so obviously it's hard for the Fan and the Disgruntled to get along. I personally am not anxious to go leaping into LOTRs or anything. I am watching Warhammer and Conan but I still am curious with Vanguard as well even if it currently isn't something I enjoy in it's current state. Eventually the "haters" (if that is what I am now) will go away but not untill each justifies his time and effort in their own fashion. That's the double edged sword; if you ask people to invest tons of time and money to your game, they will be rather bitter when you don't give them much back.

Sramota · April 2007

Originally posted by Abraxos
Originally posted by chbiz Rather strange whenever I come here and read all these posts from alot of none and ex players who describe a game that I've never played. Maybe VG won't sell 8 million copies but dam its fun to me, yeah I know I must be blind and a vanboi, heard it all before.
But really, lol, just makes me laugh.
I wonder if people should just go and find something 'they' like doing?
/puts on flame retardant suit
The funny thing is looks like the LOTR forums are getting all the same posts, funny how that is eh?
I've got a feeling mmorpg.com is loosing alot of cradibility of late.

I have unscribed to the game. I am not going to call anyone a "Vanboi". However, I still have an interest in Vanguard's future or lack of future. I'm sure many would say "Hey if you're not playing then go hang out with the Wowfans or the LOTR online addicts!" It's not always that easy of a transition for people. MMORPGs are not single player games you spend 20 hours on and finish. They are also not games that get produced in one or two years.
A fan of a MMORPG could follow a game for five years of pre-production and then buy the game and be extremely dissapointed. After such an investment of time and money one feels "drained". He/She could post and defend the game on fansites or even make a fansite of their own. When the game "fails" in your eyes then it is a big kick to the groin. Any MMORPG will always have people like me and people who are far more volatile and unrational than me posting after they quit the game.
I am agitated I wasted so much time following Vanguard and then it lasted less than 2 months. I am ticked that Brad jumped on the same bandwagon as many other MMORPG celebrities and claimed that his game would be this and do that and be better than this etc etc etc. I am frustrated that many things he offered sounded like it could be that next great game and it didn't come close to being 3rd generation by any definition. Unfortunately just like when you break up with someone after a long relationship, sometimes you don't wish to go out immediately and jump into another relationship. You're tired and angry and need a breather. Most guys will go out and have a beer and complain to his buddies about his Ex for a while before he moves on to someone else.
You're seeing people complain about their "Ex" and blowing off steam about Vanguard. Nothing sucks worse than hearing that someone else is madly in love and having a wonderful life when you just broke up so obviously it's hard for the Fan and the Disgruntled to get along. I personally am not anxious to go leaping into LOTRs or anything. I am watching Warhammer and Conan but I still am curious with Vanguard as well even if it currently isn't something I enjoy in it's current state. Eventually the "haters" (if that is what I am now) will go away but not untill each justifies his time in effort in their own fashion. That's the double edged sword; if you ask people to invest tons of time and money to your game, they will be rather bitter when you don't give them much back.

Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter

No, seriously, QFT and all that, good post.

chbiz · April 2007

Originally posted by Abraxos

Originally posted by chbiz

Rather strange whenever I come here and read all these posts from alot of none and ex players who describe a game that I've never played. Maybe VG won't sell 8 million copies but dam its fun to me, yeah I know I must be blind and a vanboi, heard it all before.
But really, lol, just makes me laugh.
I wonder if people should just go and find something 'they' like doing?
/puts on flame retardant suit
The funny thing is looks like the LOTR forums are getting all the same posts, funny how that is eh?
I've got a feeling mmorpg.com is loosing alot of cradibility of late.

I have unscribed to the game. I am not going to call anyone a "Vanboi". However, I still have an interest in Vanguard's future or lack of future. I'm sure many would say "Hey if you're not playing then go hang out with the Wowfans or the LOTR online addicts!" It's not always that easy of a transition for people. MMORPGs are not single player games you spend 20 hours on and finish. They are also not games that get produced in one or two years.

A fan of a MMORPG could follow a game for five years of pre-production and then buy the game and be extremely dissapointed. After such an investment of time and money one feels "drained". He/She could post and defend the game on fansites or even make a fansite of their own. When the game "fails" in your eyes then it is a big kick to the groin. Any MMORPG will always have people like me and people who are far more volatile and unrational than me posting after they quit the game.

I am agitated I wasted so much time following Vanguard and then it lasted less than 2 months. I am ticked that Brad jumped on the same bandwagon as many other MMORPG celebrities and claimed that his game would be this and do that and be better than this etc etc etc. I am frustrated that many things he offered sounded like it could be that next great game and it didn't come close to being 3rd generation by any definition. Unfortunately just like when you break up with someone after a long relationship, sometimes you don't wish to go out immediately and jump into another relationship. You're tired and angry and need a breather. Most guys will go out and have a beer and complain to his buddies about his Ex for a while before he moves on to someone else.

You're seeing people complain about their "Ex" and blowing off steam about Vanguard. Nothing sucks worse than hearing that someone else is madly in love and having a wonderful life when you just broke up so obviously it's hard for the Fan and the Disgruntled to get along. I personally am not anxious to go leaping into LOTRs or anything. I am watching Warhammer and Conan but I still am curious with Vanguard as well even if it currently isn't something I enjoy in it's current state. Eventually the "haters" (if that is what I am now) will go away but not untill each justifies his time and effort in their own fashion. That's the double edged sword; if you ask people to invest tons of time and money to your game, they will be rather bitter when you don't give them much back.

When u break up from your ex you hate them and want them wiped, and its usually all there fault and their the worst thing thats ever come to be, but then after a while the dust settle you start to get a little rational and realise that thing's just didnt work out, and start thinking with a rational mind, maybe both parties we're at fault, hmm maybe I demanded too much of hurt, maybe she promised me sex and never delivered on time.

I few days later u see your ex with a new boyfriend, both are looking happy, these two seem to have alot more in common with each other in fact they get on like a house on fire and talk the same lingo.

Does that still make the ex the worst thing ever, I just saying that because of all this irrational stuff and alot of it over the top, the mmorpg industry if going to get hurt. Perhaps we should support it a little more rather than rip it down before its even up with the mainstream.

Zarthaine · April 2007

The difference between the "Vanbois" and the "Flamers" are really quite simple:

A Flamer tells you they bought it already and if you want to save $50+ and a headache, here is what they found to be wrong. While a Vanboi tells you they have played every game from pong to the not yet released (insert name) this is clearly the best there has or will ever be.

A Flamer rants about how they feel tricked after spending money on a "Beta" product, while the Vanboi explains how lucky we are to be a part of the Vision and should understand the company was poor after spending $40 million. They will then, as they do here, try and put a spin on it where you should feel ashamed because your only out $50.

A Flamer tells you how on their high end rig their getting 5 FPS with an 8800, while the Vanboi tells you their running max settings on a 5 year old blunt edged PC. Both of course are full of it.

A Flamer will tell you to cut your losses and walk away as no hardware at this time will make the game run as intended. A Vanboi will link you to hardware sites and suggest $1,000+ in upgrades...a piece at a time, then proclaim how you will now be ready to receive the vision six months from now.

Me? I play the game for what it is without putting much salt in either side. If I had to choose a side it would be with the "Flamers" simply because they don't try to make people spend more money to stay. In my world, $50 gives you a right to complain. If VG really wanted to crush the "Flamers" it would be simple. Offer a refund and tell anyone that bitches to take their money back or shut the hell up.

metalcore · April 2007

Originally posted by chbiz
Rather strange whenever I come here and read all these posts from alot of none and ex players who describe a game that I've never played. Maybe VG won't sell 8 million copies but dam its fun to me, yeah I know I must be blind and a vanboi, heard it all before.
But really, lol, just makes me laugh.
I wonder if people should just go and find something 'they' like doing?
/puts on flame retardant suit
The funny thing is looks like the LOTR forums are getting all the same posts, funny how that is eh?
I've got a feeling mmorpg.com is loosing alot of cradibility of late.

Complete agree, any conversation made about this game is interrupted by a mass of idiots shouting how much they hate VG and how crap it is.

Most observations are made about the game when it was in Beta, its come a long way yet they seem to think the games the same.

I know I know they have the right to say what they like when they like but really, its gone beyond childish to just plain stupid.

Some of us come to this forum to discuss the game they are "playing", its not suppose to be a mass whinning, dummy out of pram forum...

Then you get the know it alls stating, "ha its obviously a fanboi" or something else repeated over a million times on this forum, truely original, I applaude you all...

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